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Lucky One	Posted - 2008.02.12 03:45:00 - [1] The reality is, with the current game mechanics, Bob won't lose Delve unless it is through finally lagging out IRL! Currently, the game limits the size of fleet engagements to a playable 300ish in system, a death for the attackers (coalition)jumping in (400-600), to everyone crying at their comp at 600+. Bob will always be able to form up a fleet of 100+ for the big fights (with the intel of when the attacks are coming, which they have), and will be on the defensive (pos guns/gates camped and loaded/etc). Bob are a very well organized, supplied and skilled group of pvpers who have exceled in the game since its inception. This is not to downplay the coalitions pvpers at all, they also have great pvpers. But the strategy of overwhelming an opponent in a single system with such a low cap of possible players just doesn't work. If they used the high grade duct tape for the servers and gave the hamsters steroids... you could get the playable system amount to 1000-1500, then Delve would go down. Realistically, it wont happen any time soon! As for impartiality, I haven't really even been active in the game in about a year. I have been around since launch, but took alot of breaks! Fleet battles and lag get to ya after 12 hours a day of it. This guy was my first char, and was in Doped Players when they merged with Evolution (<3ed Faramir/DP Meph/Molle etc)before Bob was even a conception and max players online on Sunday was 2500. TBH, I am sure they wouldn't even remember my char... lol. But they were all good fun on TS, even if they did sound strange! Flown with many on the other side who were also awesome. Everyone who plays eve is cool in that not getting laid tonight kind of way:P I am also the infamous last owner of Tekforce! I got him about 6 months into game just when he joined Curse Alliance and played him from then on. Was never as good as the original, but held more than my own in most fights:) I can assure you, Bob will also never be short of cash. Just knowing what was in the hopper (cough-faramir-cough) back then, they will never run out of isk. With unlimited resources and the advantage of defense and lag cap, Delve isn't going anywhere. Sorry if this is long as hell, but after a few beers I can talk some ****! To those that have flown with Lucky One or Tek in the past, it was a pleasure, at least with most:) GL all, and I am sure Bob is loving every second of it. Their ego got really big, but they were never challenged. Now they are, and it is what they have always wanted! Have fun all! I'd come down to watch if it wouldn't result in adding to the lag!
SelfDestructiveInfluence Disband of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.12 03:46:00 - [2] i agree
Sinsalura id TECH	Posted - 2008.02.12 03:50:00 - [3] JV1V ~ id TECH ~ now recruiting
Yuki Nagato GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 04:00:00 - [4] Edited by: Yuki Nagato on 12/02/2008 04:01:02 Originally by: Lucky One Their ego got really big, but they were never challenged. Now they are, and it is what they have always wanted! Have fun all! Actually I'm fairly sure (despite BoB's desperate revisionism) that they wanted to own and control all of 0.0 and rent out various chunks of it to the highest bidder. They've also historically gone after weaker alliances that they could steamroll and chestbeat about on these forums. They've also shown just how far they're willing to go to win (the Invincible Supercapital Era of March-June 2007, when they simply wouldn't fight without five motherships and two Titans in system) which negates any of their "good fight" bullshit. BoB have never wanted good fights, they've always wanted a turkey shoot. BoB have never had an enemy that posed them any kind of real threat. BoB have never wanted a challenge, they just want to steamroll their enemy using any kind of cheap tactic possible. BoB are revisionists and propagandists, constantly modifying their image and history to best suit them in the current situation. BoB's leadership has already mostly gone on "vacation." Lotka Volterra's leadership also went on "vacation" after the massacre of DG- 2-1 and the JV1V Abortion.
Yuki Nagato GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 04:04:00 - [5] Oh yeah, and let's not forget shooting through the POS shields, which their kind capital fleet leader and EVE Developer T20 taught them.
Lucky One	Posted - 2008.02.12 04:10:00 - [6] Historically, Bob played the game well enough to get to the very very top of the food chain of a painfully competitive game, period! For that, they deserve credit. They have come closer than anyone to actually beating an unbeatable game. You don't get most of the rest of a gaming community trying to kill you without having attacked most of them at some point or another. Nor do you own that much space with so few numbers without seeking challenges. I am not talking about individual system wins. This is all doable. I am saying when you get down to the 3-4 core alamo systems.
Stahlregen GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 04:17:00 - [7] Originally by: Lucky One Historically, Bob played the game well enough to get to the very very top of the food chain of a painfully competitive game, period! For that, they deserve credit. They have come closer than anyone to actually beating an unbeatable game. You don't get most of the rest of a gaming community trying to kill you without having attacked most of them at some point or another. Nor do you own that much space with so few numbers without seeking challenges. I am not talking about individual system wins. This is all doable. I am saying when you get down to the 3-4 core alamo systems. That maybe so but they had to resort to cheating with the help of devs in order to get there.
Dog Solitude Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.02.12 04:21:00 - [8] Its not just me that laughs when Goons attempt to act as if they have some kind of moral high ground is it?
Yuki Nagato GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 04:24:00 - [9] Edited by: Yuki Nagato on 12/02/2008 04:23:57 Originally by: Dog Solitude Its not just me that laughs when Goons attempt to act as if they have some kind of moral high ground is it? We have never had a developer in command of our capital ship fleet or had a developer spawn T2 blueprints for us. Do we want good fights? No, we want to kill our opponent and watch them suffer. Do we insult people because of the alliance they're in? Of course. Have we ever cheated? No.
Dog Solitude Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.02.12 04:27:00 - [10] Originally by: Yuki Nagato Edited by: Yuki Nagato on 12/02/2008 04:23:57 Originally by: Dog Solitude Its not just me that laughs when Goons attempt to act as if they have some kind of moral high ground is it? We have never had a developer in command of our capital ship fleet or had a developer spawn T2 blueprints for us. Do we want good fights? No, we want to kill our opponent and watch them suffer. Do we insult people because of the alliance they're in? Of course. Have we ever cheated? No. I gotta be honest with you, threatening and insulting the real lives of players and their families....I dunno....seems a bit worse. I don't think I'm alone here.
Atomos Darksun Infortunatus Eventus	Posted - 2008.02.12 04:33:00 - [11] Actually the goons do have the moral high ground. They formed to kill cheating blockheads that need dev's help to win. ----- They've gone to PLAID!!
Dog Solitude Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.02.12 04:35:00 - [12] Originally by: Atomos Darksun Actually the goons do have the moral high ground. They formed to kill cheating blockheads that need dev's help to win. Thanks for this.
Lucky One	Posted - 2008.02.12 04:39:00 - [13] Let's not let this roll into another stream of hate mail. I am sure there are Dev's in both BoB and the Coalition. To the extent of their involvement, who knows! At the end of the day, the actions of BoB and the Coalition are all fantastic for the game, so who knows the extent of Dev involvement. There are also bad acts on both sides, known and unknown. Try to keep on the topic of actually logistics of taking the last holding delve systems with the problems outlined. p.s. Xirt has got to be a dev!:P
Atomos Darksun Infortunatus Eventus	Posted - 2008.02.12 04:39:00 - [14] Originally by: Dog Solitude Originally by: Atomos Darksun Actually the goons do have the moral high ground. They formed to kill cheating blockheads that need dev's help to win. Thanks for this. It be true. Also if bob weren't stupid, they could hold Delve until they run out of fuel. But BoB is stupid, so delve will fall. ----- They've gone to PLAID!!
OldPueblo DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 04:42:00 - [15] Edited by: OldPueblo on 12/02/2008 04:42:18 The only reason BoB may not lose Delve is due to abuse of the petition system. --------------
Aceoil D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.12 04:43:00 - [16] Wait. What if. They are attacked on multiple fronts at the same time? They cannot be everywhere at once. BoB will surely lose.
Lucky One	Posted - 2008.02.12 04:47:00 - [17] Originally by: OldPueblo Edited by: OldPueblo on 12/02/2008 04:42:18 The only reason BoB may not lose Delve is due to abuse of the petition system. If you think that any ship losses/replacements (through petitions) in this whole war has concerned BoB leadership for resource reasons, you are delusional!
Khorian Gallente Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.02.12 04:47:00 - [18] Originally by: Yuki Nagato Have we ever cheated? No. Yes (local mod) ---
Lucky One	Posted - 2008.02.12 04:49:00 - [19] Originally by: Aceoil Wait. What if. They are attacked on multiple fronts at the same time? They cannot be everywhere at once. BoB will surely lose. You can only attack on multiple fronts if they have them. At some point, if they are taken down to 'the alamo' so to speak, you can't beat them. They won't have to be everywhere, just one place. If they are in one place in Delve, they aren't kicked out of Delve.
OldPueblo DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 04:51:00 - [20] Originally by: Lucky One Originally by: OldPueblo Edited by: OldPueblo on 12/02/2008 04:42:18 The only reason BoB may not lose Delve is due to abuse of the petition system. If you think that any ship losses/replacements (through petitions) in this whole war has concerned BoB leadership for resource reasons, you are delusional! I'm not talking about ship replacements, however I also can't talk about what I'm talking about because I'm afraid of getting banned. --------------
nikhan Amarr Meridian Dynamics	Posted - 2008.02.12 04:54:00 - [21] [ BoB Master Plan ] Hay guyz.. like maybe if we say they can't win enough on the forums with alts maybe they will pack up and go home... right???
KeratinBoy GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 04:55:00 - [22] Originally by: Lucky One Let's not let this roll into another stream of hate mail. I am sure there are Dev's in both BoB and the Coalition. To the extent of their involvement, who knows! At the end of the day, the actions of BoB and the Coalition are all fantastic for the game, so who knows the extent of Dev involvement. There are also bad acts on both sides, known and unknown. Try to keep on the topic of actually logistics of taking the last holding delve systems with the problems outlined. p.s. Xirt has got to be a dev!:P I was going to respond to Dog Solitude but, meh, you can never change an idiot's mind. Logistics do play an important part but basic morale moreso. You have to want to X up in gang or what-have-you to get the job done. RSF has spent the last year chewing through corps and alliances and we know quite well where the *****s start to appear. The same old story has been repeated again and again and again and LV are not the only ones to suffer Lotka.org, just the ones it is named after. How many leaders take a vacation or a break or have RL problems when they are winning? How many when they are losing? BoB are not special and unique snowflakes, they are the same decaying organic matter as the rest of us. They exhibit the same cognitive dissonance as every other alliance we've chewed through. I don't care how fantastic their logistics guys are or how much money they still have, they are busy trying to salve their egos with all this Good Fights nonsense. I have been playing for just over a year. I have never seen BoB attempt a Good or Fair fight and I have never heard of them attempting it either. Fighter Blobs, yes, exploitation of unkillable supercaps, yes, chest-beating, yes, goalpost moving, yes. I don't care what they tell themselves or others about the state of things, idiots will always believe what they want. BoB will not hold Delve. They should decide what to do next, if they survive as an entity. ...ugh, too dbp, d'ye think? :(
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.02.12 04:55:00 - [23] Originally by: Aceoil Wait. What if. They are attacked on multiple fronts at the same time? They cannot be everywhere at once. BoB will surely lose. But if... everyone wins. Bob still wins? Fail. ------------ Originally by: Praxis1452 you win eve
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.02.12 04:58:00 - [24] Originally by: techzer0 Originally by: Aceoil Wait. What if. They are attacked on multiple fronts at the same time? They cannot be everywhere at once. BoB will surely lose. But if... everyone wins. Bob still wins? Fail. but not everyone wins? bob is loose?!?!?!
Mou'adib Gallente Fluffy Rabbit Killers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.12 05:01:00 - [25] this thread is lol
ElweSingollo Starlancers	Posted - 2008.02.12 05:05:00 - [26] Originally by: Lucky One Originally by: Aceoil Wait. What if. They are attacked on multiple fronts at the same time? They cannot be everywhere at once. BoB will surely lose. You can only attack on multiple fronts if they have them. At some point, if they are taken down to 'the alamo' so to speak, you can't beat them. They won't have to be everywhere, just one place. If they are in one place in Delve, they aren't kicked out of Delve. Err little history lesson remember that alliance called Lokta Voltera? remember how BoB helped them in thier alamo? remember who lost and who won? Simple fact is that unless BoB change tactics drastically and pull a rabbit out of the hat soon they already have lost and as with all alliances be it LV ASCN G D2 etc they just don't know it yet. CCP and Eve Online... It's not a bug, it's a feature *In Before I Get M* Again*
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.02.12 05:06:00 - [27] Originally by: Mou'adib this thread is lol is not! internet spaceships is serious business!
Lucky One	Posted - 2008.02.12 05:12:00 - [28] I was going to respond to Dog Solitude but, meh, you can never change an idiot's mind. Logistics do play an important part but basic morale moreso. You have to want to X up in gang or what-have-you to get the job done. RSF has spent the last year chewing through corps and alliances and we know quite well where the *****s start to appear. The same old story has been repeated again and again and again and LV are not the only ones to suffer Lotka.org, just the ones it is named after. How many leaders take a vacation or a break or have RL problems when they are winning? How many when they are losing? BoB are not special and unique snowflakes, they are the same decaying organic matter as the rest of us. They exhibit the same cognitive dissonance as every other alliance we've chewed through. I don't care how fantastic their logistics guys are or how much money they still have, they are busy trying to salve their egos with all this Good Fights nonsense. I have been playing for just over a year. I have never seen BoB attempt a Good or Fair fight and I have never heard of them attempting it either. Fighter Blobs, yes, exploitation of unkillable supercaps, yes, chest-beating, yes, goalpost moving, yes. I don't care what they tell themselves or others about the state of things, idiots will always believe what they want. BoB will not hold Delve. They should decide what to do next, if they survive as an entity. ...ugh, too dbp, d'ye think? :( You are totally correct. That is what I meant when I said people being lagged IRL. I don't always make alot of sense while drinking. In fact, I am amazed any of my post was in setences, let alone creating coherent thoughts, which some of you will argue I havent:)
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.02.12 05:14:00 - [29] what happened to bob going to empire and messing with the privateers for a while. i think i even saw a molle post about it?
Lucky One	Posted - 2008.02.12 05:14:00 - [30] Originally by: techzer0 Originally by: Lucky One I'm pretty sure I don't need a history lesson. There is a difference between helping LV, and losing your last home system. Especially with more and more titans/caps etc. A forum rule lesson wouldn't hurt though... add your corp. Yet another reason friends shouldnt let friends post drunk!
KeratinBoy GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 05:16:00 - [31] Originally by: Lucky One You are totally correct. That is what I meant when I said people being lagged IRL. I don't always make alot of sense while drinking. In fact, I am amazed any of my post was in setences, let alone creating coherent thoughts, which some of you will argue I havent:) The alcohol is showing now. ;) Also, what Chain Plankton said, add your corp ticker or thread gets locked. P.S. Congrats on a first page without the usual thread****ting.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.02.12 05:17:00 - [32] Originally by: KeratinBoy Originally by: Lucky One You are totally correct. That is what I meant when I said people being lagged IRL. I don't always make alot of sense while drinking. In fact, I am amazed any of my post was in setences, let alone creating coherent thoughts, which some of you will argue I havent:) The alcohol is showing now. ;) Also, what Chain Plankton said, add your corp ticker or thread gets locked. P.S. Congrats on a first page without the usual thread****ting. that was techzer0
KeratinBoy GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 05:20:00 - [33] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton that was techzer0 Oops. Brain spasm. Mind you, are you two posting twins or something?
Moon Kitten GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 05:20:00 - [34] Originally by: Dog Solitude Originally by: Yuki Nagato Edited by: Yuki Nagato on 12/02/2008 04:23:57 Do we want good fights? No, we want to kill our opponent and watch them suffer. Do we insult people because of the alliance they're in? Of course. Have we ever cheated? No. I gotta be honest with you, threatening and insulting the real lives of players and their families....I dunno....seems a bit worse. I don't think I'm alone here. He did not mention real life. You were the first in this thread to bring up real life. You're a poor troll grasping at straws. The local icons have been petitioned and cleared with a CCP GM over a year ago. If it had been considered a cheat I would have been banned and I couldn't have posted this reply. We've lulled our opponents into a false sense of confidence. Oh, yes. Everything is going according to plan. Those fools, they think they can win... by winning.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.02.12 05:21:00 - [35] Originally by: KeratinBoy Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton that was techzer0 Oops. Brain spasm. Mind you, are you two posting twins or something? just the idle forum w***e division.
Lucky One Fluffy Bunnys	Posted - 2008.02.12 05:22:00 - [36] Originally by: KeratinBoy Originally by: Lucky One P.S. Congrats on a first page without the usual thread****ting. Thanks! I was pleasantly suprised:) And added corp ticker... there used to be a little button on the post page, damn I'm old!
onymous GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 05:22:00 - [37] Edited by: onymous on 12/02/2008 05:22:53 nm
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.02.12 05:22:00 - [38] Originally by: Lucky One Originally by: techzer0 Originally by: Lucky One I'm pretty sure I don't need a history lesson. There is a difference between helping LV, and losing your last home system. Especially with more and more titans/caps etc. A forum rule lesson wouldn't hurt though... add your corp. Yet another reason friends shouldnt let friends post drunk! Hey, I'm working on it! ------------ Originally by: Praxis1452 you win eve
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.02.12 05:25:00 - [39] aw shoot i had something to post in that other post but i can't remember what i was going to post in the post so here i am in another post without a post
ElweSingollo Starlancers	Posted - 2008.02.12 05:29:00 - [40] Edited by: ElweSingollo on 12/02/2008 05:32:14 Originally by: Lucky One I'm pretty sure I don't need a history lesson. There is a difference between helping LV, and losing your last home system. Especially with more and more titans/caps etc. Ok then please explain to me how they are on the verge of loosing a sov 4 const which I nigh on impossible to loose if you defend them properly and certainly with the number of titan's / mom's / capitals that BoB should be able to put up when the initial assault on said systems/constelation has to be done by a b/ship and support fleet only? Also the LV comparison holds true in one respect if no others a hell of a lot of BoB are now made up of those people that were in LV and that were defending LV's space. Anyway I guess it is mere speculation from both of us but I will re-iterate that unless they do something soon and pull a rabit out of there hat BoB are going to loose especially if they continue there defence of Delve like they did of the F-T constelation. (slightly edited to remove sarky comments and to make more clear) CCP and Eve Online... It's not a bug, it's a feature *In Before I Get M* Again*
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.02.12 05:29:00 - [41] Edited by: techzer0 on 12/02/2008 05:30:10 Originally by: KeratinBoy Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton that was techzer0 Oops. Brain spasm. Mind you, are you two posting twins or something? Don't compare me to him, please. K thx bai We rival goons with spam... and there are only two of us ------------ Originally by: Praxis1452 you win eve
Moon Kitten GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 05:32:00 - [42] Contact me for sponsorship . We've lulled our opponents into a false sense of confidence. Oh, yes. Everything is going according to plan. Those fools, they think they can win... by winning.
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.02.12 05:32:00 - [43] Originally by: Moon Kitten Contact me for sponsorship . 500mil and I need to cyno my carrier to you? ------------ Originally by: Praxis1452 you win eve
KeratinBoy GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 05:34:00 - [44] Originally by: Moon Kitten Contact me for sponsorship . Fight you for it. :colbert:
Moon Kitten GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 05:35:00 - [45] For a limited time, this week only we have a special offer and it includes two tickets to Delve. We've lulled our opponents into a false sense of confidence. Oh, yes. Everything is going according to plan. Those fools, they think they can win... by winning.
Yuki Nagato GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 05:37:00 - [46] Originally by: Khorian Originally by: Yuki Nagato Have we ever cheated? No. Yes (local mod) They could've easily encrypted the portraits folder and "patched" the exploit but instead they hardcoded it into the game. Try again.
Dionisius Gallente Critical Analysis R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.02.12 05:38:00 - [47] Originally by: Moon Kitten Originally by: Dog Solitude Originally by: Yuki Nagato Edited by: Yuki Nagato on 12/02/2008 04:23:57 Do we want good fights? No, we want to kill our opponent and watch them suffer. Do we insult people because of the alliance they're in? Of course. Have we ever cheated? No. I gotta be honest with you, threatening and insulting the real lives of players and their families....I dunno....seems a bit worse. I don't think I'm alone here. He did not mention real life. You were the first in this thread to bring up real life. You're a poor troll grasping at straws. The local icons have been petitioned and cleared with a CCP GM over a year ago. If it had been considered a cheat I would have been banned and I couldn't have posted this reply. Actually he is right and the only alliance that goes way past the game in those matters is yours, you are the ones that insult and make fun of people that have passed away. Oh and don't throw the old Dev card, we all used it to exaustion only to learn that Devs are in your alliance also doing God knows what, imo Devs shouldn't play the game period or at least under any circumstances let it be known among or hint the playerbase about who they are. _____________________________________ Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.02.12 05:41:00 - [48] Originally by: ElweSingollo Edited by: ElweSingollo on 12/02/2008 05:32:14 Originally by: Lucky One I'm pretty sure I don't need a history lesson. There is a difference between helping LV, and losing your last home system. Especially with more and more titans/caps etc. Ok then please explain to me how they are on the verge of loosing a sov 4 const which I nigh on impossible to loose if you defend them properly and certainly with the number of titan's / mom's / capitals that BoB should be able to put up when the initial assault on said systems/constelation has to be done by a b/ship and support fleet only? Also the LV comparison holds true in one respect if no others a hell of a lot of BoB are now made up of those people that were in LV and that were defending LV's space. Anyway I guess it is mere speculation from both of us but I will re-iterate that unless they do something soon and pull a rabit out of there hat BoB are going to loose especially if they continue there defence of Delve like they did of the F-T constelation. (slightly edited to remove sarky comments and to make more clear) long ass siege. don't forget.... Bob is Relentless!!!!!!
Lucky One Fluffy Bunnys	Posted - 2008.02.12 05:47:00 - [49] Elwe, we will just agree to disagree, but agree its all speculation. But I'm right:) God bless having a wife that will go to get my drunk ass McDonalds when Im drunk at 12:30am! So good! Thanks for keepin it pretty civil everyone! I look forward to seeing what it spirals into by morning... lol. Gnight all!
Moon Kitten GoonFleet	Posted - 2008.02.12 05:49:00 - [50] Edited by: Moon Kitten on 12/02/2008 05:50:51 Originally by: Dionisius Actually he is right and the only alliance that goes way past the game in those matters is yours, you are the ones that insult and make fun of people that have passed away. This is not true, and highly statistically unlikely. I'm sorry to burst your bubble but mentioning real life is not exclusive to my alliance. Originally by: Dionisius Oh and don't throw the old Dev card, we all used it to exaustion only to learn that Devs are in your alliance also doing God knows what, imo Devs shouldn't play the game period or at least under any circumstances let it be known among or hint the playerbase about who they are. The dev card is old however cheaters are not appreciated by most gamers and that reputation sticks. I agree, the devs should not be on the live server. My guess is that the devs in Goonswarm spend most of their time discussing how bad Smashkill are. We've lulled our opponents into a false sense of confidence. Oh, yes. Everything is going according to plan. Those fools, they think they can win... by winning.
ElweSingollo Starlancers	Posted - 2008.02.12 05:49:00 - [51] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton Originally by: ElweSingollo Edited by: ElweSingollo on 12/02/2008 05:32:14 Originally by: Lucky One I'm pretty sure I don't need a history lesson. There is a difference between helping LV, and losing your last home system. Especially with more and more titans/caps etc. Ok then please explain to me how they are on the verge of loosing a sov 4 const which I nigh on impossible to loose if you defend them properly and certainly with the number of titan's / mom's / capitals that BoB should be able to put up when the initial assault on said systems/constelation has to be done by a b/ship and support fleet only? Also the LV comparison holds true in one respect if no others a hell of a lot of BoB are now made up of those people that were in LV and that were defending LV's space. Anyway I guess it is mere speculation from both of us but I will re-iterate that unless they do something soon and pull a rabit out of there hat BoB are going to loose especially if they continue there defence of Delve like they did of the F-T constelation. (slightly edited to remove sarky comments and to make more clear) long ass siege. don't forget.... Bob is Relentless!!!!!! Well if you mean all the other regions that BoB lost/gave up/whatever then yeah has been a long ass siege however I would say the loss of F-T const has been (from a BoB POV) horrendously quick it should have taken the coalition a month to contest sov in that constelation instead it has fallen pretty much at the first hurdle. BoB NEED to change there tactics now or else they will run out of space to have an alamo in. CCP and Eve Online... It's not a bug, it's a feature *In Before I Get M* Again*
ElweSingollo Starlancers	Posted - 2008.02.12 05:51:00 - [52] Originally by: Lucky One Elwe, we will just agree to disagree, but agree its all speculation. But I'm right:) God bless having a wife that will go to get my drunk ass McDonalds when Im drunk at 12:30am! So good! Thanks for keepin it pretty civil everyone! I look forward to seeing what it spirals into by morning... lol. Gnight all! Agreed or is that disagreed oh and your wife is definately to good for you CCP and Eve Online... It's not a bug, it's a feature *In Before I Get M* Again*
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.02.12 05:56:00 - [53] Originally by: Moon Kitten The dev card is old however cheaters are not appreciated by most gamers and that reputation sticks. I agree, the devs should not be on the live server. My guess is that the devs in Goonswarm spend most of their time discussing how bad Smashkill are. hmmmmm what is the rate of moon kitten discussing how bad smashkill is? i think i may have a dev to evemail
Dionisius Gallente Critical Analysis R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.02.12 05:57:00 - [54] Originally by: Moon Kitten Edited by: Moon Kitten on 12/02/2008 05:50:51 Originally by: Dionisius Actually he is right and the only alliance that goes way past the game in those matters is yours, you are the ones that insult and make fun of people that have passed away. This is not true, and highly statistically unlikely. I'm sorry to burst your bubble but mentioning real life is not exclusive to my alliance. Originally by: Dionisius Oh and don't throw the old Dev card, we all used it to exaustion only to learn that Devs are in your alliance also doing God knows what, imo Devs shouldn't play the game period or at least under any circumstances let it be known among or hint the playerbase about who they are. The dev card is old however cheaters are not appreciated by most gamers and that reputation sticks. I agree, the devs should not be on the live server. My guess is that the devs in Goonswarm spend most of their time discussing how bad Smashkill are. This is not about my alliance , this is about your alliance having Devs playing in it and the fact that you use the card " BoB had devs", you have them too and i bet if someone pulls a Kugs on your arses some dirt can be uncovered too. And btw do not distort the truth, your alliance is one, i should say the prime one, at using RL and personall people's issues and throwing them around here, BoB has i said were what they were but you are worst in certain aspects. Imo neither you or any of your palls would be posting here E-V-E-R A-G-A-I-N! due to the absurd amount pointless, offensive and useless posts you do. _____________________________________ Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.02.12 06:00:00 - [55] Dionisius you fail to realize that that was an epic troll on behalf of the ccp staff no self respecting dev would be in goonswarm!
Moon Kitten GoonFleet	Posted - 2008.02.12 06:07:00 - [56] Edited by: Moon Kitten on 12/02/2008 06:09:55 Originally by: Dionisius This is not about my alliance , this is about your alliance having Devs playing in it and the fact that you use the card " BoB had devs", you have them too and i bet if someone pulls a Kugs on your arses some dirt can be uncovered too. Imo neither you or any of your palls would be posting here E-V-E-R A-G-A-I-N! due to the absurd amount pointless, offensive and useless posts you do. The issue with bob was not primarily the devs. It was combination of devs and cheating. If you feel that strongly about devs I suggest you e-mail [email protected] . There's a report button for pointless, offensive, and useless posts. It works on all posts regardless of alliance or corporation. We've lulled our opponents into a false sense of confidence. Oh, yes. Everything is going according to plan. Those fools, they think they can win... by winning.
Tripden SGL	Posted - 2008.02.12 06:13:00 - [57] Originally by: Moon Kitten The issue with bob was not primarily the devs. It was combination of devs and cheating. Kugutsumen have gained access to our forums several times. He was hired by a BoB member named Lallante as far as I know. There's a report button for pointless, offensive, and useless posts. It works on all posts regardless of alliance or corporation. Do you guys have a list of things to say when things go south? If ever in danger of loosing an argument try this: -Dev, Cheat, T20... -use the phrase "We didn't want that (insert alliance, region, system, pos, cap...)" -use the phrase "You don't get goons do you?" -use the phrase "Planed at BBQ in the year (insert anything)" -try to dig some dirt up and link some old dbp or Sir Molle post -ask BoB how their allies are doing
Dionisius Gallente Critical Analysis R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.02.12 06:15:00 - [58] Edited by: Dionisius on 12/02/2008 06:15:11 Originally by: Moon Kitten Edited by: Moon Kitten on 12/02/2008 06:07:10 Originally by: Dionisius This is not about my alliance , this is about your alliance having Devs playing in it and the fact that you use the card " BoB had devs", you have them too and i bet if someone pulls a Kugs on your arses some dirt can be uncovered too. Imo neither you or any of your palls would be posting here E-V-E-R A-G-A-I-N! due to the absurd amount pointless, offensive and useless posts you do. The issue with bob was not primarily the devs. It was combination of devs and cheating. There's a report button for pointless, offensive, and useless posts. It works on all posts regardless of alliance or corporation. Kugs hired by bob?... PROOF OR STFU! Now that we have that out of the way, a combination of devs and cheating.. lol? The coalition since its formation has had its share of exploiting, D2 and the agent? RA and the plexes? Hello? Why is any of these issues lesser ofenses to the game comunity that BoB and T20? After all CCP was quick to discipline T20 and punish BoB why not the others? Was it because most of the playerbase was beyond ****ed with them?, i can surely compreehend that to a certain point but you can never ever come out here and say BoB cheated while YOU DID THE SAME! Its like the ofensive posting, goes with the same logic, BOB were arrogant, BOB made fun of me, well YOU DO IT TOO! And you pick up subjects that are nowhere near acceptable, then most of the people play the high "YOU DID IT TOO BOB!", without realizing how much lower you are falling. I have emailed CCP, i have reported Goons ofensive posting and i fail to understand why the heck CCP hasn't done something about this matter, i can sure appreciate the Dev's locking your posts and removing the ofensive stuff but your alliance has gone way way farther than BoB ever did and it shows no signs of stopping! _____________________________________ Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. eXceed.	Posted - 2008.02.12 06:17:00 - [59] OPs reasoning is flawed. BoB can get a fleet up during primetime perhaps. But with the timezone coverage of the Coalition, BoB can easily find themselves forced to login into completely hostile systems once they are down to the last constellation. With bubbles on all stations and at the various important POSses. My guess is that the end scenario for the last constellation is one where the Coalition launches a massive offensive starting a friday after DT, seizing control of all systems and doing their best to keep BoB unable to form up to defend all the way till sunday-evening by which time practically all towers can be put into reinforced and destroyed, and then repeat it for the last Sov 4 system 2 weeks later.
Relaria Hossin GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 06:21:00 - [60] Edited by: Relaria Hossin on 12/02/2008 06:22:39 Originally by: Dionisius Kugs hired by bob?... PROOF OR STFU! If you care enough to look for yourself, you will find out that the entire kug thing started when BoB hired him to hack the Goonfleet forums, he did and after chilling on there for a while doing BoB's dirty work he decided he liked us more and basically defected. Before he switched sides he was hacking goon accounts left and right, causing a lot of password changing and account banning.
Dionisius Gallente Critical Analysis R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.02.12 06:24:00 - [61] Originally by: Relaria Hossin Originally by: Dionisius Kugs hired by bob?... PROOF OR STFU! If you care enough to look for yourself, you will find out that the entire kug thing started when BoB hired him to hack the Goonfleet forums, he did and after chilling on there for a while doing BoB's dirty work he decided he liked us more and basically defected. Let me put it this way, CARE TO ELABORATE? HAVE PROOF? _____________________________________ Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
TWD Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.12 06:25:00 - [62] Originally by: Relaria Hossin Edited by: Relaria Hossin on 12/02/2008 06:21:46 Originally by: Dionisius Kugs hired by bob?... PROOF OR STFU! If you care enough to look for yourself, you will find out that the entire kug thing started when BoB hired him to hack the Goonfleet forums, he did and after chilling on there for a while doing BoB's dirty work he decided he liked us more and basically defected. Before he defected he was hacking goon accounts left and right, causing a lot of password changing and account banning. These posts are getting desperate, you're making stuff up.
Tripden SGL	Posted - 2008.02.12 06:29:00 - [63] Originally by: TWD These posts are getting desperate, you're making stuff up. It's true, Sir Molle hired him during the BBQ!!!
Relaria Hossin GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 06:29:00 - [64] I can't prove it since it is one of those things where you would had to have been there, which I was. I don't care much if you do or do not believe me since what you believe doesn't change reality. I suppose kug could verify it, he can be reached pretty easily but posting that info here is against the rules I think. If you want to find out for yourself hit up google, find his site and his e-mail and see what he has to say.
Darkrydar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.12 06:33:00 - [65] Originally by: Moon Kitten Originally by: Dog Solitude Originally by: Yuki Nagato Edited by: Yuki Nagato on 12/02/2008 04:23:57 Do we want good fights? No, we want to kill our opponent and watch them suffer. Do we insult people because of the alliance they're in? Of course. Have we ever cheated? No. I gotta be honest with you, threatening and insulting the real lives of players and their families....I dunno....seems a bit worse. I don't think I'm alone here. He did not mention real life. You were the first in this thread to bring up real life. You're a poor troll grasping at straws. The local icons have been petitioned and cleared with a CCP GM over a year ago. If it had been considered a cheat I would have been banned and I couldn't have posted this reply. That is some nice revisionism you got going on there. It's almost as funny as your attempt at serious posting and dmg control. Please do not post pictures of players in your sig - Mitnal
Dionisius Gallente Critical Analysis R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.02.12 06:35:00 - [66] Originally by: Relaria Hossin I can't prove it since it is one of those things where you would had to have been there, which I was. I don't care much if you do or do not believe me since what you believe doesn't change reality. I suppose kug could verify it, he can be reached pretty easily but posting that info here is against the rules I think. If you want to find out for yourself hit up google, find his site and his e-mail and see what he has to say. I don't need to search for Kugs, i know his website like everyone and let me tell you this much, if there is the remote change of what your friend Moon Kitten said to be true, lets say that you acknowledge that GS is also responsible for the transgressions that lead to information being spilled on the forums and the subsequent ban of Kugs, got it? It meens you never were better than those you so fiercly strike in the forums and your high moralle is bull***t, and btw i really hope someone from CCP is reading this to at least think on what has been written here. _____________________________________ I pay beer for new sig. [orange]Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you
Yggdrassill Yeltsin The Greater Goon GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 06:37:00 - [67] Originally by: Darkrydar Originally by: Moon Kitten Originally by: Dog Solitude Originally by: Yuki Nagato Edited by: Yuki Nagato on 12/02/2008 04:23:57 Do we want good fights? No, we want to kill our opponent and watch them suffer. Do we insult people because of the alliance they're in? Of course. Have we ever cheated? No. I gotta be honest with you, threatening and insulting the real lives of players and their families....I dunno....seems a bit worse. I don't think I'm alone here. He did not mention real life. You were the first in this thread to bring up real life. You're a poor troll grasping at straws. The local icons have been petitioned and cleared with a CCP GM over a year ago. If it had been considered a cheat I would have been banned and I couldn't have posted this reply. That is some nice revisionism you got going on there. It's almost as funny as your attempt at serious posting and dmg control. I'd also like to turn off the fake posting and ask in all seriousness what you mean here. Are you implying that they haven't been petitioned to the GMs and haven't been cleared? If not, what are you trying to say? also lol at a bob guy making fun of a goonfleet guy for 'serious posting'
Darkrydar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.12 06:37:00 - [68] Originally by: Relaria Hossin Edited by: Relaria Hossin on 12/02/2008 06:22:39 Originally by: Dionisius Kugs hired by bob?... PROOF OR STFU! If you care enough to look for yourself, you will find out that the entire kug thing started when BoB hired him to hack the Goonfleet forums, he did and after chilling on there for a while doing BoB's dirty work he decided he liked us more and basically defected. Before he switched sides he was hacking goon accounts left and right, causing a lot of password changing and account banning. Oh man, its almost as if the best gf posters cant poast here now or something... Please do not post pictures of players in your sig - Mitnal
Relaria Hossin GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 06:37:00 - [69] Hey when a hacker tosses incriminating info into your lap for free it's like Christmas. You don't ask Santa where the presents come from do you? "Elves"? Riiight.
Dionisius Gallente Critical Analysis R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.02.12 06:41:00 - [70] Originally by: Relaria Hossin Hey when a hacker tosses incriminating info into your lap for free it's like Christmas. You don't ask Santa where the presents come from do you? "Elves"? Riiight. You do realized that the said proof, well lets put it this way, - One it could have been fabricated, either by him or yourselves. - It had stuff that shouldn't have been public, and therefore after your recognition in the matter this does not make you heroes, that info should have been for CCP staff eyes only and not the general public. Assuming any of this nonsense is true off course. Btw, [Goon Troll Mode] POSTING IN A TINFOIL GOON-CONSPIRACY-THEORY THREAD!!! [/Goon Troll Mode] , LOL! _____________________________________ I pay beer for new sig. - Sorry for the trouble Mits.
INZi coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.12 06:46:00 - [71] on a scale: how fun is it to be camped 24/7, unable to move without a big fleet supporting you? any sane person whould snap and give in, i know i whould, cause they're paying just as much as everyone else. drop out, move out and have some fun. if the gonns and co play their cards right, camp, blob enough they will drop. _
Modulation	Posted - 2008.02.12 06:48:00 - [72] Edited by: Modulation on 12/02/2008 06:49:22 hurfdurf remove
Relaria Hossin GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 06:49:00 - [73] Edited by: Relaria Hossin on 12/02/2008 06:53:26 The info you are talking about now, for the record, are PMs off BoB's internal forums. Originally by: Dionisius - One it could have been fabricated, either by him or yourselves. All the stuff he provided was from internal forum messages and was stamped with dates, IPs and was easily verifiable, which CCP did end up doing and acting on. Originally by: Dionisius - It had stuff that shouldn't have been public, and therefore after your recognition in the matter this does not make you heroes, that info should have been for CCP staff eyes only and not the general public. That was attempted for a while. I have never seen goons sit on something quietly for so long. When it became apparent that the people it was being reported to wanted nothing more than to have it disappear quietly, some goons moved on to the last resort of a threadnaught. I think you are looking at it the wrong way. The worst part about the whole situation is that it took a hacker and a threadnaught to keep it all from being quietly swept under the rug. The stuff CCP admitted happened is also nothing compared to the dozens of other things that were discovered in the internal messages kug provided.
Soundtrack Scalding Pie Services GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 06:49:00 - [74] Originally by: Dionisius Originally by: Relaria Hossin Hey when a hacker tosses incriminating info into your lap for free it's like Christmas. You don't ask Santa where the presents come from do you? "Elves"? Riiight. You do realized that the said proof, well lets put it this way, - One it could have been fabricated, either by him or yourselves. - It had stuff that shouldn't have been public, and therefore after your recognition in the matter this does not make you heroes, that info should have been for CCP staff eyes only and not the general public. Assuming any of this nonsense is true off course. Btw, [Goon Troll Mode] POSTING IN A TINFOIL GOON-CONSPIRACY-THEORY THREAD!!! [/Goon Troll Mode] , LOL! I don't think you've been actually reading what he's been typing. Or at least you've been doing so very selectively. He said that the whole t20 scandal started when Kugs hacked Goon accounts on the Goonfleet forums. What does that have to do with CCP private information? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dont you wish your posts were hot like mine? http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs221&d=07446&f=maek_poast.jpg
Proconsul Para Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.12 06:54:00 - [75] Originally by: Malachon Draco OPs reasoning is flawed. BoB can get a fleet up during primetime perhaps. But with the timezone coverage of the Coalition, BoB can easily find themselves forced to login into completely hostile systems once they are down to the last constellation. With bubbles on all stations and at the various important POSses. This is one of the difficulties we're facing. But you'll have to think of the handful of titans BoB has. Once we're down to the last constellation, we can concentrate them in the same system, and do the supercapship equivalent of login traps :) From my POV, the most serious problem we're facing is the state the server is in. Fact is, BoB is a collection of high-skilled characters, flying the best gear money can buy. But then the lag equalizer kicks in. What difference does it make that I'm flying a full-T2 Maelstrom versus the next guy's 8-mo old character in a Drake, when I have to lock him @ 30 km with two range scripts in the boosters and shoot him with 200km low-tracking T2 sniping ammo !? And that until the guns deplete the ammo, because they won't reload until 30 min. later... and that has me flying amarr ships lately Originally by: hired goon IRON beat BoB in the majority of the fleet battles the two were involved in.
Yuki Nagato GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 06:55:00 - [76] After how badly BoB were crucified for their cheating, do you honestly think our (or any alliances) directorate would accept help from a developer? It's practically a "KICK ME OUT OF 0.0" PostIt note on your back, and it's very apparent that with people like Kugutsumen around and the entire metagame in EVE being very similar to real life corporate spying that nothing said anywhere is secure. If there ARE any developers in our alliance, a statement which CCP presented absolutely no proof to back up, then every single GoonSwarm member wants them to drop out of our alliance and disappear into the shadows.
Dionisius Gallente Critical Analysis R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.02.12 06:58:00 - [77] Originally by: Soundtrack Originally by: Dionisius Originally by: Relaria Hossin Hey when a hacker tosses incriminating info into your lap for free it's like Christmas. You don't ask Santa where the presents come from do you? "Elves"? Riiight. You do realized that the said proof, well lets put it this way, - One it could have been fabricated, either by him or yourselves. - It had stuff that shouldn't have been public, and therefore after your recognition in the matter this does not make you heroes, that info should have been for CCP staff eyes only and not the general public. Assuming any of this nonsense is true off course. Btw, [Goon Troll Mode] POSTING IN A TINFOIL GOON-CONSPIRACY-THEORY THREAD!!! [/Goon Troll Mode] , LOL! I don't think you've been actually reading what he's been typing. Or at least you've been doing so very selectively. He said that the whole t20 scandal started when Kugs hacked Goon accounts on the Goonfleet forums. What does that have to do with CCP private information? I'm not selective, i'm just curious about Moon Kitten quickly editing his/her post after writting it. I'm curious now, if you really really say it is true, on the fact that someones personall info was spilled into the forums. Frankly if this is true and CCP did ban Kugs for it, why didn't you suffer the consequences also? What do you have that kept CCP from doing it? After all if you "HIRED HIM", what was the payment? And why didn't you get punished also then? You see you are openly admiting you have used other than, game mechanics, to "hit" the players of another alliance. _____________________________________ I pay beer for new sig. - Sorry for the trouble Mits.
Yuki Nagato GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 07:00:00 - [78] Originally by: Dionisius Frankly if this is true and CCP did ban Kugs for it, why didn't you suffer the consequences also? What do you have that kept CCP from doing it? After all if you "HIRED HIM", what was the payment? And why didn't you get punished also then? You see you are openly admiting you have used other than, game mechanics, to "hit" the players of another alliance. Huh? We didn't hire Kugs. He decided of his own free will after seeing the shady developer dealings in BoB to rip them apart. On the GoonSwarm forums he'd just hack some dumb goons account and post a new thread like "BOB HAS DEVS" or "REIKOKU MAKES ITS OWN LUCK" and it'd be a surprise to everyone. He liked us for some reason. Probably because we didn't fucking cheat, and he admired that.
Relaria Hossin GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 07:01:00 - [79] Originally by: Dionisius After all if you "HIRED HIM", what was the payment? And why didn't you get punished also then? No one hired him except BoB. After he switched sides and started posting internal BoB info on our forum completely on his own our mods were banning him as quickly as he could hack himself new accounts. Once the stuff got out into the general goon membership though, it was out there for good.
Dionisius Gallente Critical Analysis R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.02.12 07:04:00 - [80] Originally by: Yuki Nagato After how badly BoB were crucified for their cheating, do you honestly think our (or any alliances) directorate would accept help from a developer? It's practically a "KICK ME OUT OF 0.0" PostIt note on your back, and it's very apparent that with people like Kugutsumen around and the entire metagame in EVE being very similar to real life corporate spying that nothing said anywhere is secure. If there ARE any developers in our alliance, a statement which CCP presented absolutely no proof to back up, then every single GoonSwarm member wants them to drop out of our alliance and disappear into the shadows. BUST! There are devs in almost, note i said ALMOST , every major alliance and yours mentioned for having them also, besides don't act all serious saying that if you would find a dev you'd want that person to go away, no one would do that, at least what you learned from BoB case was to place stuff on separate forums or use personall mailboxes at best. _____________________________________ I pay beer for new sig. - Sorry for the trouble Mits.
Darkrydar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.12 07:06:00 - [81] Originally by: Yuki Nagato Originally by: Dionisius Frankly if this is true and CCP did ban Kugs for it, why didn't you suffer the consequences also? What do you have that kept CCP from doing it? After all if you "HIRED HIM", what was the payment? And why didn't you get punished also then? You see you are openly admiting you have used other than, game mechanics, to "hit" the players of another alliance. Huh? We didn't hire Kugs. He decided of his own free will after seeing the shady developer dealings in BoB to rip them apart. On the GoonSwarm forums he'd just hack some dumb goons account and post a new thread like "BOB HAS DEVS" or "REIKOKU MAKES ITS OWN LUCK" and it'd be a surprise to everyone. He liked us for some reason. Probably because we didn't fucking cheat, and he admired that. Might have something to do with him being in snig, just sayin... Please do not post pictures of players in your sig - Mitnal
Dionisius Gallente Critical Analysis R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.02.12 07:10:00 - [82] Edited by: Dionisius on 12/02/2008 07:11:02 Originally by: Relaria Hossin Originally by: Dionisius After all if you "HIRED HIM", what was the payment? And why didn't you get punished also then? No one hired him except BoB. After he switched sides and started posting internal BoB info on our forum completely on his own our mods were banning him as quickly as he could hack himself new accounts. Once the stuff got out into the general goon membership though, it was out there for good. Originally by: Moon Kitten Kugutsumen have gained access to our forums several times. He was hired by a BoB member named Lallante as far as I know. Originally by: Relaria Hossin Edited by: Relaria Hossin on 12/02/2008 06:22:39 Originally by: Dionisius Kugs hired by bob?... PROOF OR STFU! If you care enough to look for yourself, you will find out that the entire kug thing started when BoB hired him to hack the Goonfleet forums, he did and after chilling on there for a while doing BoB's dirty work he decided he liked us more and basically defected. Before he switched sides he was hacking goon accounts left and right, causing a lot of password changing and account banning. Originally by: Yuki Nagato Originally by: Dionisius Frankly if this is true and CCP did ban Kugs for it, why didn't you suffer the consequences also? What do you have that kept CCP from doing it? After all if you "HIRED HIM", what was the payment? And why didn't you get punished also then? You see you are openly admiting you have used other than, game mechanics, to "hit" the players of another alliance. (...) On the GoonSwarm forums he'd just hack some dumb goons account and post a new thread like "BOB HAS DEVS" or "REIKOKU MAKES ITS OWN LUCK" and it'd be a surprise to everyone. He liked us for some reason. Probably because we didn't fucking cheat, and he admired that. Please enlighten me, you state he switched sides, other than he acted on your behalf you are starting to reveal disturbing things. As i said, judging by what you say here, other than kugs acting on GS behalf you got nothing on BoB Alliance. _____________________________________ I pay beer for new sig. - Sorry for the trouble Mits.
Yuki Nagato GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 07:11:00 - [83] Originally by: Dionisius BUST! There are devs in almost, note i said ALMOST , every major alliance and yours mentioned for having them also, besides don't act all serious saying that if you would find a dev you'd want that person to go away, no one would do that, at least what you learned from BoB case was to place stuff on separate forums or use personall mailboxes at best. Dude, I realize that keeping BoB alive means a lot to you, what with SMASHKILL being next in line for execution, but please stop trolling these forums. We're trying to have an intelligent conversation here. :(
Relaria Hossin GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 07:12:00 - [84] Originally by: Dionisius BUST! There are devs in almost, note i said ALMOST , every major alliance and yours mentioned for having them also, besides don't act all serious saying that if you would find a dev you'd want that person to go away, no one would do that, at least what you learned from BoB case was to place stuff on separate forums or use personall mailboxes at best. Funny story here actually. We did ask kug to do one thing for us. Audit our forum and find any developers so that we could boot them. He found none. So either the goon developers are better at hiding their tracks than the BoB ones were, or there are none.
Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.02.12 07:13:00 - [85] JV1V and the F-T cap battle are proofs that, if the coalition want something badly enough, and is ready to pay for it, it just can't be stopped. ------------------------------------------ What is Oomph? It the sound Amarr players makes when they get kicked in the ribs.
Yuki Nagato GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 07:13:00 - [86] Edited by: Yuki Nagato on 12/02/2008 07:14:31 Also I didn't state he "switched sides". If by "switched sides" you mean "hack our forums on a daily basis and cause massive amounts of grief to our IT team" and maybe dig up dirt on people who happened to be our enemies then sure. He wasn't working for us, though. Any goon can attest to the "security" bull**** Solo put us through when he was trying to get Kug to stop posting on our forums after he allegedly "switched sides." Every day Kug would find some new exploit to use against the forums software and our server guy went fucking nuts.
Robert0288 Caldari g guild Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.02.12 07:14:00 - [87] Originally by: Mou'adib this thread is lol in all the usless dribble there's sometimes a good laugh
Dionisius Gallente Critical Analysis R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.02.12 07:14:00 - [88] Originally by: Yuki Nagato Originally by: Dionisius BUST! There are devs in almost, note i said ALMOST , every major alliance and yours mentioned for having them also, besides don't act all serious saying that if you would find a dev you'd want that person to go away, no one would do that, at least what you learned from BoB case was to place stuff on separate forums or use personall mailboxes at best. Dude, I realize that keeping BoB alive means a lot to you, what with SMASHKILL being next in line for execution, but please stop trolling these forums. We're trying to have an intelligent conversation here. :( Spare me the threats on smash and rk its like shooting bullets against a ghost, stick to the real subject Goon. And btw, squeezing intelligent conversation and Goons in the same sentence is an insult to modern science and religious history at the same time. _____________________________________ I pay beer for new sig. - Sorry for the trouble Mits.
Relaria Hossin GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 07:17:00 - [89] Edited by: Relaria Hossin on 12/02/2008 07:18:25 Originally by: Dionisius Please enlighten me, you state he switched sides, other than he acted on your behalf you are starting to reveal disturbing things. As i said, judging by what you say here, other than kugs acting on GS behalf you got nothing on BoB Alliance. I am not sure what you are asking for so I'll just give a rundown. -Kug hacks Goonfleet forums for BoB. It is found that he gains access to virtually all of the directorate's PM boxes. -He decides he likes goons more than BoB for some reason. -Starts doing what he did to us to BoB and posting the results on our forums by hacking more goon accounts. He posts a whole lot of incriminating info about BoB and keeps going even though we keep banning him.
Stahlregen GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 07:19:00 - [90] Originally by: Dionisius Originally by: Yuki Nagato Originally by: Dionisius BUST! There are devs in almost, note i said ALMOST , every major alliance and yours mentioned for having them also, besides don't act all serious saying that if you would find a dev you'd want that person to go away, no one would do that, at least what you learned from BoB case was to place stuff on separate forums or use personall mailboxes at best. Dude, I realize that keeping BoB alive means a lot to you, what with SMASHKILL being next in line for execution, but please stop trolling these forums. We're trying to have an intelligent conversation here. :( Spare me the threats on smash and rk its like shooting bullets against a ghost, stick to the real subject Goon. And btw, squeezing intelligent conversation and Goons in the same sentence is an insult to modern science and religious history at the same time. Hey, you look like an idiot trying to defend cheaters- just sayin'
Relaria Hossin GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 07:20:00 - [91] Originally by: Yuki Nagato Edited by: Yuki Nagato on 12/02/2008 07:14:31 Also I didn't state he "switched sides". If by "switched sides" you mean "hack our forums on a daily basis and cause massive amounts of grief to our IT team" and maybe dig up dirt on people who happened to be our enemies then sure. He wasn't working for us, though. Any goon can attest to the "security" bull** Solo put us through when he was trying to get Kug to stop posting on our forums after he allegedly "switched sides." Every day Kug would find some new exploit to use against the forums software and our server guy went fucking nuts. I like to refer to this as the dark times when I had to change my password every week as a mandatory exercise and reauth my characters twice a month. That ***** sucked.
Relaria Hossin GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 07:22:00 - [92] Originally by: Dionisius Originally by: Yuki Nagato Originally by: Dionisius BUST! There are devs in almost, note i said ALMOST , every major alliance and yours mentioned for having them also, besides don't act all serious saying that if you would find a dev you'd want that person to go away, no one would do that, at least what you learned from BoB case was to place stuff on separate forums or use personall mailboxes at best. Dude, I realize that keeping BoB alive means a lot to you, what with SMASHKILL being next in line for execution, but please stop trolling these forums. We're trying to have an intelligent conversation here. :( Spare me the threats on smash and rk its like shooting bullets against a ghost, stick to the real subject Goon. And btw, squeezing intelligent conversation and Goons in the same sentence is an insult to modern science and religious history at the same time. Oh you're just a troll, nevermind. I thought we were having a nice conversation too. :(
Dionisius Gallente Critical Analysis R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.02.12 07:22:00 - [93] Originally by: Yuki Nagato Edited by: Yuki Nagato on 12/02/2008 07:14:31 Also I didn't state he "switched sides". If by "switched sides" you mean "hack our forums on a daily basis and cause massive amounts of grief to our IT team" and maybe dig up dirt on people who happened to be our enemies then sure. He wasn't working for us, though. Any goon can attest to the "security" bull**** Solo put us through when he was trying to get Kug to stop posting on our forums after he allegedly "switched sides." Every day Kug would find some new exploit to use against the forums software and our server guy went fucking nuts. Again enlighten me, first you say he did, now he switch? You know that contradiction of statements in most cases is a sign that the person hiding something and nervous, are you nervous? Need a glass of water? Need to come clean perhaps? [Quote=Relaria Hossin] Funny story here actually. We did ask kug to do one thing for us. Audit our forum and find any developers so that we could boot them. He found none. So either the goon developers are better at hiding their tracks than the BoB ones were, or there are none. Interesting, your alliance involvement with someone that broke CCP rules is astouding. I wonder, are your Admins so horrible, that you need someone untrustworthy to audit them for you? What above all others made Kugs the right person to do so? You say you have no Devs, then you say you had to audit the forums for them, logically if you had them, and they knew Kugs was around they wouldn't show up now would they?! _____________________________________ I pay beer for new sig. - Sorry for the trouble Mits.
Robert0288 Caldari g guild Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.02.12 07:24:00 - [94] Originally by: Dionisius Originally by: Yuki Nagato Originally by: Dionisius BUST! There are devs in almost, note i said ALMOST , every major alliance and yours mentioned for having them also, besides don't act all serious saying that if you would find a dev you'd want that person to go away, no one would do that, at least what you learned from BoB case was to place stuff on separate forums or use personall mailboxes at best. Dude, I realize that keeping BoB alive means a lot to you, what with SMASHKILL being next in line for execution, but please stop trolling these forums. We're trying to have an intelligent conversation here. :( Spare me the threats on smash and rk its like shooting bullets against a ghost, stick to the real subject Goon. And btw, squeezing intelligent conversation and Goons in the same sentence is an insult to modern science and religious history at the same time. This
Dionisius Gallente Critical Analysis R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.02.12 07:24:00 - [95] Originally by: Stahlregen Originally by: Dionisius Originally by: Yuki Nagato Originally by: Dionisius BUST! There are devs in almost, note i said ALMOST , every major alliance and yours mentioned for having them also, besides don't act all serious saying that if you would find a dev you'd want that person to go away, no one would do that, at least what you learned from BoB case was to place stuff on separate forums or use personall mailboxes at best. Dude, I realize that keeping BoB alive means a lot to you, what with SMASHKILL being next in line for execution, but please stop trolling these forums. We're trying to have an intelligent conversation here. :( Spare me the threats on smash and rk its like shooting bullets against a ghost, stick to the real subject Goon. And btw, squeezing intelligent conversation and Goons in the same sentence is an insult to modern science and religious history at the same time. Hey, you look like an idiot trying to defend cheaters- just sayin' Hey, you look like and idiot saying you asked a Hacker to audit your forums after he hacked someone else's. Just sayin' Besides i still didn't get an answer on what made you so special if you got involved with Kugs at that time and weren't punished accordingly. _____________________________________ I pay beer for new sig. - Sorry for the trouble Mits.
Relaria Hossin GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 07:24:00 - [96] Edited by: Relaria Hossin on 12/02/2008 07:25:45 It was more of a "ok mother******, you're here in our forums so do something useful before we plug all the security holes you are using." I realize now that you're just being contrary for the sake of being contrary. All the info has been laid out for you but you are ignoring it. So hey, keep on trollin'.
Yuki Nagato GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 07:26:00 - [97] Originally by: Dionisius Again enlighten me, first you say he did, now he switch? You know that contradiction of statements in most cases is a sign that the person hiding something and nervous, are you nervous? Need a glass of water? Need to come clean perhaps? I don't even know what you're trying to say here. Could you rephrase it for me? Quote: Interesting, your alliance involvement with someone that broke CCP rules is astouding. I wonder, are your Admins so horrible, that you need someone untrustworthy to audit them for you? What above all others made Kugs the right person to do so? You say you have no Devs, then you say you had to audit the forums for them, logically if you had them, and they knew Kugs was around they wouldn't show up now would they?! "**** SOLO" is practically a catchphrase on our forums. Your entire argument is "WELL BOB CHEATED SO YOU PROBABLY DID TOO." You look like an idiot. Just saying.
Dionisius Gallente Critical Analysis R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.02.12 07:27:00 - [98] Originally by: Relaria Hossin It was more of a "ok mother******, you're here in our forums so do something useful before we plug all the security holes you are using." But hey keep on trollin'. You are liars and you do have something to hide from CCP and the general playerbase. Have a nice day Goons. _____________________________________ I pay beer for new sig. - Sorry for the trouble Mits.
Relaria Hossin GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 07:28:00 - [99] Originally by: Yuki Nagato Edited by: Yuki Nagato on 12/02/2008 07:26:34 Originally by: Dionisius Again enlighten me, first you say he did, now he switch? You know that contradiction of statements in most cases is a sign that the person hiding something and nervous, are you nervous? Need a glass of water? Need to come clean perhaps? I don't even know what you're trying to say here. Could you rephrase it for me? Quote: Interesting, your alliance involvement with someone that broke CCP rules is astouding. I wonder, are your Admins so horrible, that you need someone untrustworthy to audit them for you? What above all others made Kugs the right person to do so? You say you have no Devs, then you say you had to audit the forums for them, logically if you had them, and they knew Kugs was around they wouldn't show up now would they?! "** SOLO" is practically a catchphrase on our forums. Your entire argument is "WELL BOB CHEATED SO YOU PROBABLY DID TOO." You look like an idiot. Just saying. Do you realize how poor and relatively insignificant GS was during the whole T20 bull**? Do you honestly think we were receiving help? Or have ever received help? Do you know how many "donation drives" we have to fund our war? Christ dude. People like him are the reason we have to keep SMASH blue so that half of our alliance doesn't start pillaging their space.
Dionisius Gallente Critical Analysis R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.02.12 07:35:00 - [100] Originally by: Yuki Nagato Edited by: Yuki Nagato on 12/02/2008 07:26:34 Originally by: Dionisius Again enlighten me, first you say he did, now he switch? You know that contradiction of statements in most cases is a sign that the person hiding something and nervous, are you nervous? Need a glass of water? Need to come clean perhaps? I don't even know what you're trying to say here. Could you rephrase it for me? Quote: Interesting, your alliance involvement with someone that broke CCP rules is astouding. I wonder, are your Admins so horrible, that you need someone untrustworthy to audit them for you? What above all others made Kugs the right person to do so? You say you have no Devs, then you say you had to audit the forums for them, logically if you had them, and they knew Kugs was around they wouldn't show up now would they?! "** SOLO" is practically a catchphrase on our forums. Your entire argument is "WELL BOB CHEATED SO YOU PROBABLY DID TOO." You look like an idiot. Just saying. Do you realize how poor and relatively insignificant GS was during the whole T20 bull**? Do you honestly think we were receiving help? Or have ever received help? Do you know how many "donation drives" we have to fund our war? Christ dude. No this entire arguement is, why oh why did you get special treatment over BoB in that case, why oh why did you get jumpy after saying Kugutsumen was working for your alliance. I have an ideia on how much is needed to field the logistics, to feed the POS'es, to fuel the ships and all that alliance crap, you have the necessary numbers to rotate elements on the battlefront for others to rat and replenish losses, if you don't do it or can't its your own strategic fault and sincerely i don't care. What i do care is the fact that we are runing around in circles and you seem to be hiding something. _____________________________________ I pay beer for new sig. - Sorry for the trouble Mits.
Yuki Nagato GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 07:35:00 - [101] If BoB cheated, so did GoonSwarm! Flawless logic runs strong in this one.
Relaria Hossin GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 07:37:00 - [102] I think he might be schizophrenic. :psyduck:
Dionisius Gallente Critical Analysis R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.02.12 07:38:00 - [103] Originally by: Relaria Hossin Originally by: Yuki Nagato Edited by: Yuki Nagato on 12/02/2008 07:26:34 Originally by: Dionisius Again enlighten me, first you say he did, now he switch? You know that contradiction of statements in most cases is a sign that the person hiding something and nervous, are you nervous? Need a glass of water? Need to come clean perhaps? I don't even know what you're trying to say here. Could you rephrase it for me? Quote: Interesting, your alliance involvement with someone that broke CCP rules is astouding. I wonder, are your Admins so horrible, that you need someone untrustworthy to audit them for you? What above all others made Kugs the right person to do so? You say you have no Devs, then you say you had to audit the forums for them, logically if you had them, and they knew Kugs was around they wouldn't show up now would they?! "** SOLO" is practically a catchphrase on our forums. Your entire argument is "WELL BOB CHEATED SO YOU PROBABLY DID TOO." You look like an idiot. Just saying. Do you realize how poor and relatively insignificant GS was during the whole T20 bull**? Do you honestly think we were receiving help? Or have ever received help? Do you know how many "donation drives" we have to fund our war? Christ dude. People like him are the reason we have to keep SMASH blue so that half of our alliance doesn't start pillaging their space. Goon spare me the threats, your argumentation skills are failing. _____________________________________ I pay beer for new sig. - Sorry for the trouble Mits.
Yuki Nagato GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 07:38:00 - [104] Edited by: Yuki Nagato on 12/02/2008 07:40:39 Originally by: Dionisius No this entire arguement is, why oh why did you get special treatment over BoB in that case, why oh why did you get jumpy after saying Kugutsumen was working for your alliance. You make an accusation and then accuse guilt when the person retorts in defense. Yes, I'm defending myself, so obviously I have something to hide! Quote: I have an ideia You really don't. Quote: What i do care is the fact that we are runing around in circles and you seem to be hiding something. No, you are the one running around in circles, twisting logic and peoples words around to suit your own prejudiced view of the situation.
Relaria Hossin GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 07:42:00 - [105] Edited by: Relaria Hossin on 12/02/2008 07:42:08 Originally by: Dionisius Goon spare me the threats, your argumentation skills are failing. Dude you have no idea. It's not a threat at all.
Dionisius Gallente Critical Analysis R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.02.12 07:42:00 - [106] Originally by: Yuki Nagato Edited by: Yuki Nagato on 12/02/2008 07:38:16 Originally by: Dionisius No this entire arguement is, why oh why did you get special treatment over BoB in that case, why oh why did you get jumpy after saying Kugutsumen was working for your alliance. You make an accusation and then accuse guilt when the person retorts in defense. Yes, I'm defending myself, so obviously I have something to hide! Quote: I have an ideia on how much is needed to field the logistics, to feed the POS'es, to fuel the ships and all that alliance crap, you have the necessary numbers to rotate elements on the battlefront for others to rat and replenish losses, if you don't do it or can't its your own strategic fault and sincerely i don't care. You really don't. Quote: What i do care is the fact that we are runing around in circles and you seem to be hiding something. No, you are the one running around in circles, twisting logic and peoples words around to suit your own prejudiced view of the situation. Lol my prejudice? I'm not the one threatning you of " we are coming for your alliance if you don't shut up", i'm not the one saying that i was associated with Kugutsumen, i'm not the one that uses people's rl to mock and joke on the forums, i'm not the one that fills these forums with stupid nonsense posts, and mostly i'm not the one that got all jumpy about this issue. If its not a big deal then why did you seem so ready to "clarify" it even more? Again are you nervous? Need a glass of water? _____________________________________ I pay beer for new sig. - Sorry for the trouble Mits.
Relaria Hossin GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 07:46:00 - [107] Originally by: Dionisius "we are coming for your alliance if you don't shut up" It has absolutely nothing to do with you at all.
Yuki Nagato GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 07:46:00 - [108] Edited by: Yuki Nagato on 12/02/2008 07:46:28 Originally by: Dionisius Lol my prejudice? I'm not the one threatning you of " we are coming for your alliance if you don't shut up", i'm not the one saying that i was associated with Kugutsumen, i'm not the one that uses people's rl to mock and joke on the forums, i'm not the one that fills these forums with stupid nonsense posts, and mostly i'm not the one that got all jumpy about this issue. If its not a big deal then why did you seem so ready to "clarify" it even more? Again are you nervous? Need a glass of water? You'd prefer me not to clarify anything and just make generalized threats towards your entire mini-coalition as a whole? OK. After BoB is dead, we're going to roll into Geminate with our capital fleet and take the entire region in a week. How does that sound? Oh, and it has nothing to do with you. We've wanted to do this since XZH.
Dionisius Gallente Critical Analysis R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.02.12 07:51:00 - [109] Originally by: Yuki Nagato Edited by: Yuki Nagato on 12/02/2008 07:46:28 Originally by: Dionisius Lol my prejudice? I'm not the one threatning you of " we are coming for your alliance if you don't shut up", i'm not the one saying that i was associated with Kugutsumen, i'm not the one that uses people's rl to mock and joke on the forums, i'm not the one that fills these forums with stupid nonsense posts, and mostly i'm not the one that got all jumpy about this issue. If its not a big deal then why did you seem so ready to "clarify" it even more? Again are you nervous? Need a glass of water? You'd prefer me not to clarify anything and just make generalized threats towards your entire mini-coalition as a whole? OK. After BoB is dead, we're going to roll into Geminate with our capital fleet and take the entire region in a week. How does that sound? Oh, and it has nothing to do with you. We've wanted to do this since XZH. Wait... our little coalition? Is GS dissociating itself from the northern forces now? So enlighten me then, after Geminate what then? The rest of the North? Tell me will you do it without the need for Kugutsumen to audit "your forums" ? Or will you audit "other people's" forums so see if they don't have Devs and keep you safe from cheating? You just lost your arguement mate, thanks for proving my point publicly. _____________________________________ I pay beer for new sig. - Sorry for the trouble Mits.
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.02.12 07:52:00 - [110] Originally by: Yuki Nagato Edited by: Yuki Nagato on 12/02/2008 07:46:28 Originally by: Dionisius Lol my prejudice? I'm not the one threatning you of " we are coming for your alliance if you don't shut up", i'm not the one saying that i was associated with Kugutsumen, i'm not the one that uses people's rl to mock and joke on the forums, i'm not the one that fills these forums with stupid nonsense posts, and mostly i'm not the one that got all jumpy about this issue. If its not a big deal then why did you seem so ready to "clarify" it even more? Again are you nervous? Need a glass of water? You'd prefer me not to clarify anything and just make generalized threats towards your entire mini-coalition as a whole? OK. After BoB is dead, we're going to roll into Geminate with our capital fleet and take the entire region in a week. How does that sound? Oh, and it has nothing to do with you. We've wanted to do this since XZH. If it gives me goons in my lowsec instead of Roadkill... omg i'm all for it. They drop crap lootz ------------ Originally by: Praxis1452 you win eve
Relaria Hossin GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 07:54:00 - [111] I changed my mind, this is some elaborate goon alt troll and we have been served. It's too perfect.
Dionisius Gallente Critical Analysis R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.02.12 07:55:00 - [112] Originally by: techzer0 Originally by: Yuki Nagato Edited by: Yuki Nagato on 12/02/2008 07:46:28 Originally by: Dionisius Lol my prejudice? I'm not the one threatning you of " we are coming for your alliance if you don't shut up", i'm not the one saying that i was associated with Kugutsumen, i'm not the one that uses people's rl to mock and joke on the forums, i'm not the one that fills these forums with stupid nonsense posts, and mostly i'm not the one that got all jumpy about this issue. If its not a big deal then why did you seem so ready to "clarify" it even more? Again are you nervous? Need a glass of water? You'd prefer me not to clarify anything and just make generalized threats towards your entire mini-coalition as a whole? OK. After BoB is dead, we're going to roll into Geminate with our capital fleet and take the entire region in a week. How does that sound? Oh, and it has nothing to do with you. We've wanted to do this since XZH. If it gives me goons in my lowsec instead of Roadkill... omg i'm all for it. They drop crap lootz Goons? Yep sure they do, they use kugs to audit their wrecks and see if they don't drop faction or officer stuff. _____________________________________ I pay beer for new sig. - Sorry for the trouble Mits.
Yuki Nagato GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 07:56:00 - [113] Originally by: Dionisius Wait... our little coalition? Is GS dissociating itself from the northern forces now? So enlighten me then, after Geminate what then? The rest of the North? You do realize that the agreement between ourselves and the Northern Coalition (not to be confused with SMASHKILL, which is a separate entity from the Northern Coalition) is that after BoB dies we reset each other, right? We all know this. If you were actually, you know, relevant, you might know this! Quote: Tell me will you do it without the need for Kugutsumen to audit "your forums" ? Or will you audit "other people's" forums so see if they don't have Devs and keep you safe from cheating? You just lost your arguement mate, thanks for proving my point publicly. You might want to watch your mouth: shit is spewing out of it at an alarming rate!
Dionisius Gallente Critical Analysis R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.02.12 08:11:00 - [114] Edited by: Dionisius on 12/02/2008 08:12:16 Originally by: Yuki Nagato Originally by: Dionisius Wait... our little coalition? Is GS dissociating itself from the northern forces now? So enlighten me then, after Geminate what then? The rest of the North? You do realize that the agreement between ourselves and the Northern Coalition (not to be confused with SMASHKILL, which is a separate entity from the Northern Coalition) is that after BoB dies we reset each other, right? We all know this. If you were actually, you know, relevant, you might know this! Quote: Tell me will you do it without the need for Kugutsumen to audit "your forums" ? Or will you audit "other people's" forums so see if they don't have Devs and keep you safe from cheating? You just lost your arguement mate, thanks for proving my point publicly. You might want to watch your mouth: shit is spewing out of it at an alarming rate! Oh man you are dumb! (and i'm being nice just calling you dumb, sorry for offending dumb ppl by calling you dumb btw), did i say that i care? Or that i wanted to be relevant? I just took interest in your involvement with Kugs after your mate mentioning him. CCP should take a real close look at your alliance imo. Disclaimer: Discretion to the reader of this entire thread is advised. _____________________________________ I pay beer for new sig. - Sorry for the trouble Mits.
Semkhet Spartan Industries Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.12 08:12:00 - [115] Edited by: Semkhet on 12/02/2008 08:14:27 Originally by: Proconsul Para Originally by: Malachon Draco OPs reasoning is flawed. BoB can get a fleet up during primetime perhaps. But with the timezone coverage of the Coalition, BoB can easily find themselves forced to login into completely hostile systems once they are down to the last constellation. With bubbles on all stations and at the various important POSses. This is one of the difficulties we're facing. But you'll have to think of the handful of titans BoB has. Once we're down to the last constellation, we can concentrate them in the same system, and do the supercapship equivalent of login traps :) From my POV, the most serious problem we're facing is the state the server is in. Fact is, BoB is a collection of high-skilled characters, flying the best gear money can buy. But then the lag equalizer kicks in. What difference does it make that I'm flying a full-T2 Maelstrom versus the next guy's 8-mo old character in a Drake, when I have to lock him @ 30 km with two range scripts in the boosters and shoot him with 200km low-tracking T2 sniping ammo !? And that until the guns deplete the ammo, because they won't reload until 30 min. later... and that has me flying amarr ships lately I've no particular sympathies, neither for BoB nor the Coalition. That said, it is eminently sad that in order to obtain consistent positive military results over time in fleet battles, the actual state of the game usually rewards those understanding which specific game mechanics somewhat allow lag to be used as an indirect weapon by exerting a more pronounced effect on your opponent than your own forces. Anyhow, if you take into account that lag has plagued EvE since 5 years soon, the current state is just the mere reflection of how immature the customer base behaves considering that we are talking about paying subscribers. If the the major alliances could find the common wisdom to declare a weekly logoff day to protest against lag until EvE provides the services it's marketed for, alarm bells would ring through CCP and we could maybe not get lag fixed overnight, but still would probably speed up implementing improvements. After all, no business likes to make front page news of the specialized press because after 5 years down the drain, a significant share of its customers have lost patience and are asking for the product to finally support the kind of multiplayer interaction it is supposedly intended to deliver.
Dionisius Gallente Critical Analysis R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.02.12 08:23:00 - [116] Originally by: Yuki Nagato Originally by: Dionisius CCP should take a real close look at your alliance imo. CCP has allegedly already found developers in our alliance, which is how this whole DEVSWARM crap started. If they suspect any foul play they would be the first to act on it (because we're not BoB so they wouldn't just sweep it under the rug like they did with T20). Yes they would, probably they would punish the offenders but still they would keep it under wraps, its their image that gets hurt also after all. _____________________________________ I pay beer for new sig. - Sorry for the trouble Mits.
Yuki Nagato GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 08:26:00 - [117] Originally by: Sakura San one question: how would you know? it is not that they run around with a DEV-hat all the time last time i checked. None of our FC's are from or live in Iceland. And I'm fairly sure to work at CCP you have to, you know, show up for work, at their headquarters in Iceland.
Yuki Nagato GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 08:26:00 - [118] Originally by: Yuki Nagato None of our FC's are from or live in Iceland. And I'm fairly sure to work at CCP you have to, you know, show up for work, at their headquarters in Iceland. A ha! But what if they have a private jet and commute to Iceland every day to work?!
Relaria Hossin GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 08:27:00 - [119] Our developer FCs use body and voice doubles.
Yuki Nagato GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 08:29:00 - [120] Yeah you guys can continue to go on about GoonSwarm cheating and all that shit despite the fact that we've been next to broke throughout our entire existence and just now, after everyone else, got a Titan. I'm going to go outside to smoke some weed. Maybe I'll call up my Icelandic EVE developer buddies and we'll discuss the finer art of inhaling cannabis (which is what they were doing when they designed Titans and the black hole that is EVE's netcode).
Relaria Hossin GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 08:31:00 - [121] Being in gf sucks because I am constantly reminded that I have been sober for far too long. :(
Semkhet Spartan Industries Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.12 08:44:00 - [122] Originally by: Yuki Nagato None of our FC's are from or live in Iceland. And I'm fairly sure to work at CCP you have to, you know, show up for work, at their headquarters in Iceland. Yeah, this requirement of having to relocate to Iceland in order to work for CCP is another strange decision. Swiss banks have no problem outsourcing R&D tasks all over the world from India to Russia, end up with a decentralized IT pool whose average IQ is second only to the NSA (what incidentally allows a structure totaling less than 100K people to manage 33% of the world's financial assets in real time). But apparently, CCP can't cater on russian mathematicians enjoying enough PhD's and credential to fill up hygienic rolls despite just costing a few hundred $/month...
torN Deception GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 08:46:00 - [123] To be honest, Kugu's decision to spill the beans on BoB cheating had as much to do with the BoB directors who hired him to hack into our forums deciding to stiff him out of the agreed payment as it had to do with him preferring Goons to the worthless *****s in BoB. I bet Lallente sure wishes he had ponied up that Wyvern now.
Vaustrien Caldari The Greater Goon GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 09:02:00 - [124] i like strawberries
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. eXceed.	Posted - 2008.02.12 09:08:00 - [125] Originally by: Proconsul Para Originally by: Malachon Draco OPs reasoning is flawed. BoB can get a fleet up during primetime perhaps. But with the timezone coverage of the Coalition, BoB can easily find themselves forced to login into completely hostile systems once they are down to the last constellation. With bubbles on all stations and at the various important POSses. This is one of the difficulties we're facing. But you'll have to think of the handful of titans BoB has. Once we're down to the last constellation, we can concentrate them in the same system, and do the supercapship equivalent of login traps :) From my POV, the most serious problem we're facing is the state the server is in. Fact is, BoB is a collection of high-skilled characters, flying the best gear money can buy. But then the lag equalizer kicks in. What difference does it make that I'm flying a full-T2 Maelstrom versus the next guy's 8-mo old character in a Drake, when I have to lock him @ 30 km with two range scripts in the boosters and shoot him with 200km low-tracking T2 sniping ammo !? And that until the guns deplete the ammo, because they won't reload until 30 min. later... and that has me flying amarr ships lately I think the biggest risk you're facing is this. Its friday after DT. Russians take advantage of their earlier TZ and put 300 guys in local of a Sov 3 stationsystem in your last Sov 4 constellation. Take out POS defences and start putting bubbles everywhere. 5 covops dropping probes whenever a BoB guy logs in, and with information on where your titanpilots logged out through locator agents. Other stationsystems have scattered forces and gatecamps with bubbles as well. RA and AAA have 50 dreads waiting and ready to drop on top of any titan logging in. Would you risk logging in or cynoing in your titan knowing how MC lost theirs?
Aphotic Raven Gallente E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.02.12 09:18:00 - [126] Today we had a small fleet fight, no capitals, no pos, in FWST Bob jumped into us. local peaked at 186. Most of us never saw a bob ship appear, bob didnt seem nearly as affected but did suffer from it as well. I waited 5+ minutes for a ship to appear and then warped out as i started taking damage, i came back and died after 2 drones and 2 ships had appeared, though my killmail had 6 on it. Jita was at 1300+ with rens and amarr at 400+ I typed up a long battle report about CCPs epic failures but the forum ate it, i would like an explanation as to why this battle was so unplayable, peoples pcs, settings and ISPs cannot be blamed for this crap as it affected the majority of our 80 man fleet. I dont think less than 200 people going at it can be considered an amazingly epic, huge, world changing fight anymore, the lag in some of the 500+ person meat grinders was not this bad. CCP either need to fix their game (last year we could have 300 person battles no problem) or start reimbursing people for CCPs failures.
Nick Curso Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.12 09:32:00 - [127] You see this thread right here? This I think is the greatest thing I have ever read. LMFAO Please do not post pictures of players in your sig - Mitnal
KIATolon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 09:32:00 - [128] Originally by: Proconsul Para This is one of the difficulties we're facing. But you'll have to think of the handful of titans BoB has. Once we're down to the last constellation, we can concentrate them in the same system, and do the supercapship equivalent of login traps :) Wont happen. Goons will put a 200 man disposable fleet on the gate for you to DD and then Nync will eat your titans for breakfast and burp officer cap chargers, then the remainder of your leadership will go on a break. As for the state of the server, I 100% agree.
Hottie McGee GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 10:10:00 - [129] i just love reading posts like these and seeing that people who have no idea how things are going in that area personally like to add their two cents! also, this isn't really unbiased since you obviously have stronger connections with BoB! also, playing the "dev card" too many times, even though it was a major infraction on many levels, would be like saying someone plays the "murder card" too many times against a convicted murderer! and never running out of isk is not a problem if you have empire alt corps to transfer money and supplies from! but, i guess that's not how you'd expect a goon to answer, so... YOU DON'T "GET" GOONS BAND OF BROTHERS MOAR LIEK BAND OF DEVELOPERS AMIRITE?!? FOFOFOFOFOFOFO
Baxalusx GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 10:23:00 - [130] Edited by: Baxalusx on 12/02/2008 10:25:14 Correction: LV hired Kugu, not BoB. More specificly it was, if I recall, Lallante who hired him and obtained logins for everything from Remedial's Paypal to his ingame account. Coincidentally, he's now in RKK. To further clarify on a little-known part of EVE history: Kugu "switched sides" because Lallante ****** him on his payment for the job. Foot, meet gun. --------- ~THE ARTIST FORMERLY KNOWN AS ICORION~
Lucky One Fluffy Bunnys	Posted - 2008.02.12 10:30:00 - [131] WOW! LMFAO!!!! I really didn't think that it would be that easy and if it didn't work, then no harm no foul. Was just drinking a little bit and perusing, and thought I would see if I could get Goons to really talk too TOO much! I know they talk too much, but honestly! You guys walked right into it! Figured I would need: Old crappy char with BoB corp 'Impartial' argument that means the Goons lose that can't be disproved - Break it down to a 300 man capped fight for 1 system with all of BoB Good demeanor A little dev response of devs everywhere (Goons ALWAYS mention T20) to warm fire Simmer Stoke Serve I NEVER thought it would turn into Goons basically saying they were using a hacker too. They had more circles in their storys as a car race! With all that being said, great morale boost for BoB (very funny at least) at the cost of an old old alt. I am not even in BoB, but have followed the forums regularly. I am coming back to the game, but with another char:) Seeing all the Goon smack just got to be too much! If you have liked this story pro BoBers, please toss me a little isk to help me get on my feet:) I'd like to thank Coors Light Lucky One (RIP) Pro Bobbers to stoke the fire Most importantly, esteemed guests, Goons VIVA LA BOB!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tea Spoon Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 10:31:00 - [132] This is a shock, BoB has infinite resources even after losing all their region, pets and most of their moon mining. They must have had infinite times three before but we obviously can never win against Infinity Itself. Please inform the CCP econimist of this shocking fact as this infitite pile of isk seriously changes the average isk per member in EVE to infinity too,. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Navigator ([email protected])
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.12 10:33:00 - [133] Originally by: Nick Curso You see this thread right here? This I think is the greatest thing I have ever read. LMFAO I don't know if you're serious, but here it goes... It took around 2 years and thousands of players, to momentarily shut down some of BoB players spewing crap around.
Hottie McGee GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 10:34:00 - [134] Edited by: Hottie McGee on 12/02/2008 10:35:41 Originally by: Lucky One WOW! LMFAO!!!! I really didn't think that it would be that easy and if it didn't work, then no harm no foul. Was just drinking a little bit and perusing, and thought I would see if I could get Goons to really talk too TOO much! I know they talk too much, but honestly! You guys walked right into it! Figured I would need: Old crappy char with BoB corp 'Impartial' argument that means the Goons lose that can't be disproved - Break it down to a 300 man capped fight for 1 system with all of BoB Good demeanor A little dev response of devs everywhere (Goons ALWAYS mention T20) to warm fire Simmer Stoke Serve I NEVER thought it would turn into Goons basically saying they were using a hacker too. They had more circles in their storys as a car race! With all that being said, great morale boost for BoB (very funny at least) at the cost of an old old alt. I am not even in BoB, but have followed the forums regularly. I am coming back to the game, but with another char:) Seeing all the Goon smack just got to be too much! If you have liked this story pro BoBers, please toss me a little isk to help me get on my feet:) I'd like to thank Coors Light Lucky One (RIP) Pro Bobbers to stoke the fire Most importantly, esteemed guests, Goons VIVA LA BOB!!!!!!!!!!!! and goons are the (edit: only) childish ones?
bitters GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 10:40:00 - [135] A puppet master thread worthy of the SA forums.
Brmble Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 10:51:00 - [136] Originally by: Yuki Nagato (the Invincible Supercapital Era of March-June 2007, when they simply wouldn't fight without five motherships and two Titans in system) you might want to stop talking bull** that is quantifiable false (hint our killboard 2007-05-27) also who the ** is Relaria Hossin and who sponsored that pubbie in ~ no not believin in urself ~
HEY LISTEN i swear this is true	Posted - 2008.02.12 10:55:00 - [137] BOB A couple of players and a dev decided to cheat and through this they gained a couple of BPO's, a SABRE and a T2 ammo bpo' i believe. Oh yes and these players happened to be members of a alliance called Band of Brothers. This came to light and the ppl at war plus those who had already lost to BOB used this to claim that it was BOB as a whole that was cheating and go on and on and on about it constantly. Now every EVE player knows that a couple of BPO's like those cannot change the course of a war or help an alliance the size of BOB and are only realy of any use at an individual level but the bob haters still use it as a rallying cry. GOONS The main BOB haters in eve the GOONS are the only alliance in eve to start a out of game threadnaught that actualy threatened the games existance because they wanted somthing changed so they could take space off BOB. This was done at an alliance level and encoraged throughout its membership and beyond. Now i do not condone cheating in any way but i do not consider blaming an alliance for the acts of a couple of individuals right either. But to actualy threaten the game at an alliance level by going to out of game forums is as far as im concerned unforgivable no matter why it was done and it shows what alliance in eve is the real threat to the game itself.
Relaria Hossin GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 10:57:00 - [138] Edited by: Relaria Hossin on 12/02/2008 11:03:39 Originally by: Lucky One WOW! LMFAO!!!! I really didn't think that it would be that easy and if it didn't work, then no harm no foul. Was just drinking a little bit and perusing, and thought I would see if I could get Goons to really talk too TOO much! I know they talk too much, but honestly! You guys walked right into it! Figured I would need: Old crappy char with BoB corp 'Impartial' argument that means the Goons lose that can't be disproved - Break it down to a 300 man capped fight for 1 system with all of BoB Good demeanor A little dev response of devs everywhere (Goons ALWAYS mention T20) to warm fire Simmer Stoke Serve I NEVER thought it would turn into Goons basically saying they were using a hacker too. They had more circles in their storys as a car race! With all that being said, great morale boost for BoB (very funny at least) at the cost of an old old alt. I am not even in BoB, but have followed the forums regularly. I am coming back to the game, but with another char:) Seeing all the Goon smack just got to be too much! If you have liked this story pro BoBers, please toss me a little isk to help me get on my feet:) I'd like to thank Coors Light Lucky One (RIP) Pro Bobbers to stoke the fire Most importantly, esteemed guests, Goons VIVA LA BOB!!!!!!!!!!!! You still make no sense but you got a lot of hurf blurf out of me and hydrosan which isn't very hard.
Awox Advanced Logistics Cosa Nostra.	Posted - 2008.02.12 11:14:00 - [139] bob a stupid dev gives his buddies some rather minor bpos goon mega duping bugged complex whoring macromining operations in accepting ISK from RMT farmers logoffski/logintrap standings/portrait mod buying $5k of GTCs for capital fleet Yeah. BoB are terrible, so bad for the game. They should have been removed a long time ago. sales page ║ affordable hosting
KIATolon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 11:15:00 - [140] Originally by: Awox bob a stupid dev gives his buddies some rather minor bpos goon mega duping bugged complex whoring macromining operations in accepting ISK from RMT farmers logoffski/logintrap standings/portrait mod buying $5k of GTCs for capital fleet Yeah. BoB are terrible, so bad for the game. They should have been removed a long time ago. I think you've been mega duped.
BitchInCharge Head-Hunters	Posted - 2008.02.12 11:22:00 - [141] Originally by: Yuki Nagato i can't stop spamming what?
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2008.02.12 11:23:00 - [142] Originally by: Yuki Nagato Oh yeah, and let's not forget shooting through the POS shields Haha, very funny. Goons lecturing others about how immoral cheating is? Might I only remind of goons hacking the eve client? Exchanging some of the icon pics against their owns to get some advantage in loading times etc. There were lots of other incidents as well. So better don't start this. BoB is guilty at using game mechanics 'creatively' aka cheating, but Goons are abusing game mechanics heavily also. They are not at all the 'white knight' to rescue Eve from evil BoB. If, they are more or less a black knight.
Yuki Nagato GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 11:23:00 - [143] Originally by: Jakiri Some day, someone will invent some kind of machine or faireground attraction that will give everyone an insight on what it truly, truly means to be Hydrosan. The words "hurf" and "blurf" may or may not appear. I WILL CRUSH THEM WITH MY MIND
Awox Advanced Logistics Cosa Nostra.	Posted - 2008.02.12 11:24:00 - [144] oh, and carrier overloading. (welcome back to c-j) sales page ║ affordable hosting
Papa Ina GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 11:25:00 - [145] Originally by: Gnulpie Exchanging some of the icon pics against their owns to get some advantage in loading times etc. Masterful, truly masterful.
Cippalippus Primus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 11:27:00 - [146] This is an excellent thread where people politely discuss their divergent opinions on the conflict in Delve. -clp
Scavok UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.12 11:29:00 - [147] this is the worst thread ever
Tuijabird	Posted - 2008.02.12 11:29:00 - [148] Originally by: Dionisius Originally by: Yuki Nagato Originally by: Dionisius CCP should take a real close look at your alliance imo. CCP has allegedly already found developers in our alliance, which is how this whole DEVSWARM crap started. If they suspect any foul play they would be the first to act on it (because we're not BoB so they wouldn't just sweep it under the rug like they did with T20). Yes they would, probably they would punish the offenders but still they would keep it under wraps, its their image that gets hurt also after all. You have to be the worst poster I have ever layed eyes on.Does RK know they have a BOB alt with in them?Reminds of that one post from a neutral corp to BOB about their (real)objectives, so clearly a BOB alt.Not only does BOB have to worry about when they can log on in game, but they have to post with sudo alts and one-man alt corps.Must be fun to play the game you "own" have been at the top of this way now?yes.wait no. :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: A rolling stone gathers no moss
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2008.02.12 11:35:00 - [149] Originally by: Papa Ina Masterful, truly masterful. Hi Papa Ina! Well, I forgot to add the fact that there are more devs in GoonSwarm than in any other alliance. Of course, one should add because they are by far the largest alliance. Still better don't accuse others of having divine dev powers in their alliance and because of that they are cheaters.
KIATolon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 11:39:00 - [150] Originally by: Awox oh, and carrier overloading. (welcome back to c-j) God I remember that. I was moving out of Venal (or had just been removed would be more accurate - hi woody)... so much temptation to use that l'il bug. I think goons had 1 carrier in their whole corp while this bug was running. Maybe two...
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2008.02.12 11:43:00 - [151] Originally by: KIATolon Originally by: Awox oh, and carrier overloading. I think goons had 1 carrier in their whole corp while this bug was running. Maybe two... Hmm, how about fitting those jumpbridges onto ships and move them with carriers to their destination and reprocess them there for minerals? I think at that time goons had plenty of carriers I'm not saying that Goons are horrible cheaters and the worst of the worse. They just use the 'game mechanics' which currently exist to their full advantage. As others do - and did. No moral high ground. Not being morally better. Don't throw stones. Enjoy the game
Curx Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.12 11:45:00 - [152] BoB's been loosing on all fronts. region after region. But now, in delve, the lag will be to horrid. Then we get a new page after page mature discussion on band of developers and Devswarm. Accusations of Cheating, insults and all kinds of crap and idiotic replays and statements. I haven't been on this forums for ages. I'm amazed this crap never ends - Curx
Sah Phyre Gallente Alfa Corporation Ultima Rati0	Posted - 2008.02.12 11:49:00 - [153] Edited by: Sah Phyre on 12/02/2008 11:50:01 Originally by: Curx BoB's been loosing on all fronts. region after region. But now, in delve, the lag will be to horrid. Then we get a new page after page mature discussion on band of developers and Devswarm. Accusations of Cheating, insults and all kinds of crap and idiotic replays and statements. I haven't been on this forums for ages. I'm amazed this crap never ends Every war is 90% propaganda and 10% military action, EVE is not an exception. If you fail to view your opponents as vicious angry smacktalking carebear eating monsters xploiting hax that must be exterminated, you've already lost. -------------------------------------------- Posting before my corp forbids CAOD posting!
pedros	Posted - 2008.02.12 11:53:00 - [154] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bdd74kLxgGo btw found it
Hannobaal Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.12 11:58:00 - [155] BoB gave everything in QY6. Massive capital fleet, multiple Titans, cyno jammer, etc. ... And after a few days into the fight, it was the only system they had to defend (as the other two had fallen). And the system now belongs to us. I don't think NOL will be a problem.

CCP Navigator C C P	Posted - 2008.02.12 11:59:00 - [156] Thread has become nothing more than trolling and cheating accusations. Locked. Navigator, Community Representative EVE Online, CCP Games Email/Netfang


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