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Wylker Caldari Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.02.13 07:36:00 - [1] So are there ANY type of actual qualifications for the nominations for these awards? You have to respect the scope of what these awards are trying to accomplish by encapsulating our favorite people, places etc. of our favorite game, but seriously who the @$&% came up with these nominees? First of all, EVERY category doesn't have to be a bob vs. goon category, but hey, why not right? Goonfleet.com as the BEST site? Its a FREAKING PHP FORUM WITH NO PUBLIC ACCESS. How about star fraction as best alliance? 90% of eve has no clue who they even are! STK-S as corporation of the year? Do you just have to be a part of multiple alliances that fall apart completely and then camp some lowsec stations in capitals to get on this shortlist? Veto corp should definately win the most promising newcomer award, they just founded like 2 months ago right? Seriously these awards were weak spam attempts by 2-3 parties last year, and now they're just a joke. I was seriously excited to read through these awards and maybe get some further insight into the game, but instead I get a horse so beaten it's died twice. Take Ole Yeller outside and drop a couple shotgun rounds in him already. These things are pathetic.
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.02.13 07:38:00 - [2] Yes, I so did not make the forum *** list ------------ Originally by:** Praxis1452 you win eve
Rabbitgod Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2008.02.13 08:05:00 - [3] Quote: STK-S as corporation of the year? Don't knock these guys they are good peeps and I'm happy to see them win.
Victor Valka Caldari Kissaki Corporation	Posted - 2008.02.13 08:49:00 - [4] I'm compelled not to care about these awards at all. (Caring about them would equate to caring about COAD. I'm trying to say that you (OP) fail.)
Pantaloon McPants	Posted - 2008.02.13 09:09:00 - [5] 30000000000000000000 goons voting at fanfest might explain why goonfleet.com won best site. They probably won every award at fanfest due to goonspam but the editors of eon changed it so it wasnt so obvious. STK-S as corporation of the year?
Zaqar	Posted - 2008.02.13 09:10:00 - [6] Just checked them out - what an enormous pile of crap Originally by: Wylker So are there ANY type of actual qualifications for the nominations for these awards? Being buddy-buddy with CCP I think.
Vandamsel Gallente Repo Industries R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.02.13 09:16:00 - [7] I agree whoever picked some of the nominees must be off their rocker. For example, Veto and Pandemic Legion being in the best new corp/alliance category? They aren't exactly "new" *REPO AND PROUD OF IT*
Nyphur Pillowsoft Total Comfort	Posted - 2008.02.13 10:53:00 - [8] Originally by: Wylker So are there ANY type of actual qualifications for the nominations for these awards? Seriously these awards were weak spam attempts by 2-3 parties last year, and now they're just a joke. I was beaten to the Guide Writer of the Year last year by a guy who doesn't write guides. I think that says it all, really. Goons zerged the votes. Eve-Tanking.com - We're sorry, something happened.
Eszencia Amarr Equilibrium Inc. FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.02.13 12:07:00 - [9] Voted in three categories, the rest seemed to have no appropriate candidate.
Kaaii Caldari PixelJuice Design Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.02.13 12:13:00 - [10] Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: Wylker So are there ANY type of actual qualifications for the nominations for these awards? Seriously these awards were weak spam attempts by 2-3 parties last year, and now they're just a joke. I was beaten to the Guide Writer of the Year last year by a guy who doesn't write guides. I think that says it all, really. Goons zerged the votes. Thats just so wrong. Welp, I guess the rest of the universe will see soon enough goons aren't just , about killing bob.... According to Oveur, existing LSAA's already anchored will stay there. kieron Director of Community Relations,
Valan The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.13 12:14:00 - [11] EVE TV and EON are nothing but a circle jerk for the 'in crowd'. Hence EVE TV died. I've stopped EON due to no real content. /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game four years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig
Mr Friendly That it Should Come to This Derek Knows Us	Posted - 2008.02.13 12:15:00 - [12] Edited by: Mr Friendly on 13/02/2008 12:16:19 other than Chribba in his categories, and maybe the fan site award... the rest? High Sierra for anything? Best emo stories, sure... anything else? Maybe used to play Eve, now plays WoW award.... Hippoking for best poster? He's been banned for a long time and only very recently returned. That sums up the overall quality of the nomination process as far as I'm concerned. Pity the pretty EON statuettes will go to mostly undeserving nominees.... Since the nominees were picked randomly....Zulupark for best balance Dev!!!! Originally by: Mangala Solaris EVE really doesnt have set goals, its a freeform sandbox - yes a sandbox with kids that occasionally take a dump in it, but a sandbox never the less.
Tajidan Mortis Angelus The Church.	Posted - 2008.02.13 12:15:00 - [13] signing this thread for Vote of WTFness http://www.eve-gfx.com
Nyphur Pillowsoft Total Comfort	Posted - 2008.02.13 12:51:00 - [14] Edited by: Nyphur on 13/02/2008 12:54:13 Originally by: Valan I've stopped EON due to no real content. Co-incidentally, I stopped contributing content to EON as of the latest issue. I didn't help with it in any way and wasn't asked to. I WAS sent a free copy and contacted by MMM after it was published to talk about the lack of focus on EON and it has a lot to do with people concentrating on EveTV and probably a little due to people being demotivated now that it's gone belly up. Part of me wants to help write and edit more content for EON and improve it because it is a pretty good magazine when all is said and done and to get a magazine solely for one game is something very few MMOs can ever hope to achieve. The other part of me wants to pay the rent though, and since EON won't pay me cash I've been looking for other ways of monetising my writing ability. Massively.com is looking for new writers on the topic of Eve-Online so I applied there. Fingers crossed :). Speaking of which, I should start working on the Anatomy of PvP articles a bit more. University's been eating up all my time but I'm behind on the schedule I set myself for it. I think it's important that I keep updating and adding to guides like that because eve-tanking.com has started pulling in ú40 per month in revenue from the game time code link, which is about what the questionable google ads would pull in with the current usage levels. A month practically pays my hosting for the year, two pays for all my hosting and all my domains for the year. The other roughly ú30/month means that I should be putting in at least 3-5 hours per month to updates and while I have averaged 1-2 hours a month lately, articles like the Anatomy of PvP I've been working on can take dozens of hours of work per section and are a nice boost. I feel like I'm not working for the money unless I update frequently enough or put enough work into the site. Originally by: Mr Friendly ....Zulupark for best balance Dev!!!! The best part is that they seem to only HAVE one balance dev at a given time. It used to be TomB, then it was Tuxford and now it's Zulupark. So Zulupark's the only balance dev and it's hard to have a one-man competition. I think he was voted in by goons, it's just their style of humour to vote for the guy who has singlehandedly killed the mothership market and whose suggestions are universally hated. Eve-Tanking.com - We're sorry, something happened.
Zapatero	Posted - 2008.02.13 13:08:00 - [15] Originally by: Wylker So are there ANY type of actual qualifications for the nominations for these awards? You have to respect the scope of what these awards are trying to accomplish by encapsulating our favorite people, places etc. of our favorite game, but seriously who the @$&% came up with these nominees? First of all, EVERY category doesn't have to be a bob vs. goon category, but hey, why not right? Fanfest attendees came up with the nominees. Maybe we'll not tempt them with beer tokens next time Originally by: Wylker Goonfleet.com as the BEST site? Its a FREAKING PHP FORUM WITH NO PUBLIC ACCESS. How about star fraction as best alliance? 90% of eve has no clue who they even are! STK-S as corporation of the year? Do you just have to be a part of multiple alliances that fall apart completely and then camp some lowsec stations in capitals to get on this shortlist? Veto corp should definately win the most promising newcomer award, they just founded like 2 months ago right? For the people at Goonfleet, I'm sure they see their site as pretty good - and, as forums go, it is. Just because SF are small, they command a lot of respect, probably as much as any alliance in EVE if measured against their membership. I'm not sure what you have against STK? As for Veto, them being a newcomer is pretty much a technicality - so I would argue against your reasoning there. Regardless of what anyone thinks this is a popularity contest, one that, yes, perhaps puts political borders before talent - anyone who's had the misfortune to sit through a Eurovision Song Contest will know what I'm on about. Does that detract from the entertainment value? Maybe it does. Originally by: Wylker Seriously these awards were weak spam attempts by 2-3 parties last year, and now they're just a joke. I was seriously excited to read through these awards and maybe get some further insight into the game, but instead I get a horse so beaten it's died twice. Take Ole Yeller outside and drop a couple shotgun rounds in him already. These things are pathetic. I'm always happy to trust EVE players to nominate worthy candidates and in most cases they have. There are plenty of categories where that is case... probably more than last year. Perhaps next time I shall close the nominations off completely and create some kind of deliberation council (which seems to be the vogue for democracy these days). For now I happen to believe in what these awards are trying to achieve and if they fall short then I'll just have to try harder next time around. I think the E-ON Awards are a cool idea, and the awards themselves more so. If you wish to make a suggestion to improving the process to make it more representative of ability, quality, "EVEness" or some other measure of worth - whilst retaining some kind of inclusive voting system - then I'm eager to read what you have to say. Emails are more than welcome too: [email protected]. - Z -------------------------------------------------- Editor, EON Postings From The Edge
Valan The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.13 13:12:00 - [16] Don't get me wrong I love the fiction. I can see why things such as the trading guide would be useful to others. So as a long term player I get very little out of it. I'm not sure how you would go about producing a good magazine based on such a limited scope. Elaborate battle reports from FCs? A collection of random player opinions on a subject not another rant from a beta player that doesn't log in anymore. I'm sure if i thought about for longer than 5 minutes I could come up with something useful. /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game four years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig
Zapatero	Posted - 2008.02.13 13:21:00 - [17] Originally by: Valan Don't get me wrong I love the fiction. I can see why things such as the trading guide would be useful to others. So as a long term player I get very little out of it. I'm not sure how you would go about producing a good magazine based on such a limited scope. Elaborate battle reports from FCs? A collection of random player opinions on a subject not another rant from a beta player that doesn't log in anymore. I'm sure if i thought about for longer than 5 minutes I could come up with something useful. Thank you chap. Criticism is a very good thing and as a long-term player myself (though a self-confessed carebear) I am aware of the areas that need thinking about. Battle reports are a good idea, but in the timeframe of a three-month publication I'm not sure they could work. Tribune does this sort of thing better, which is why I prefer to have more historical features in EON (we had them in #3 and #4 and hope to start them up again in #11 -- "Reiisha, get to work"). But we digress... Awards...? - Z -------------------------------------------------- Editor, EON Postings From The Edge
Valan The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.13 14:23:00 - [18] I may actually sit down and churn some stuff out. You can take or develop what you want. We have a lot of old timers I'll ask them they're a bright bunch, well sometimes... As for awards. Nominating from the fanfest is bad, not everyone goes for a start and it'll tend be the same old crowd. We need to get away from the clique nature of EVE TV. Doing it from a forum post is a spam fest. Player nominated just leads to rigging by large alliances who will vote on mass. A trusted independent figure who is kept anonimous is one way to go, but then how do you ensure impartiality? A jury of 5 for each category, made up from average Joe players they monitor, interview and post over a period of time and come to a majority consensus? It's inclusive and researched. They could even pose under an ISD type character. /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game four years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig
ArmaggedonPSA Minmatar Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.02.13 14:31:00 - [19] /signed STK as corp of the year? "Far From Homeworld" - An EVE Comic
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.02.13 14:33:00 - [20] Originally by: ArmaggedonPSA Players nominating STK as corp of the year? Fixed :P warp drive active \| nature vraie
Verone Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.02.13 14:42:00 - [21] Originally by: Vandamsel I agree whoever picked some of the nominees must be off their rocker. For example, Veto and Pandemic Legion being in the best new corp/alliance category? The Awards are to reflect on events and corporations formed in 2007. Veto Corp was formed in January 2007. The corps have been around a long time, but the alliances are recently formed. I fail to see what's wrong with us, or Pandemic Legion being nominated. As for the whole Goons vs BoB thing, yeah, it's annoying that it spills over into stuff like this, but it's not like it can be helped. >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW - EVE FICTION <<<
Nyphur Pillowsoft Total Comfort	Posted - 2008.02.13 14:58:00 - [22] Originally by: Verone Originally by: Vandamsel I agree whoever picked some of the nominees must be off their rocker. For example, Veto and Pandemic Legion being in the best new corp/alliance category? The Awards are to reflect on events and corporations formed in 2007. Veto Corp was formed in January 2007. The corps have been around a long time, but the alliances are recently formed. I fail to see what's wrong with us, or Pandemic Legion being nominated. Yeah. To be perfectly honest, you of all people deserve an award. Maybe I'll make you one out of tinfoil and post it out if you don't win an EON one. Originally by: Verone As for the whole Goons vs BoB thing, yeah, it's annoying that it spills over into stuff like this, but it's not like it can be helped. Indeed. Though an impartial nomination council consisting of trusted community members would certainly help eliminate bogus winners. Eve-Tanking.com - We're sorry, something happened.
Winterblink Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.02.13 15:01:00 - [23] Originally by: Nyphur Indeed. Though an impartial nomination council consisting of trusted community members would certainly help eliminate bogus winners. It'd be impossible to find a single member of this community that everyone would agree is 'trusted' in this regard. warp drive active \| nature vraie
ToxicFire Phoenix Knights Dark Nebula Galactic Empire	Posted - 2008.02.13 15:03:00 - [24] Originally by: Winterblink Originally by: Nyphur Indeed. Though an impartial nomination council consisting of trusted community members would certainly help eliminate bogus winners. It'd be impossible to find a single member of this community that everyone would agree is 'trusted' in this regard. Respected members of the community, Chribba and Yourself are a start, think dark shikari is also in there Halada (sp?) are just a few i can think of. ------------------------------------------ Sig removed as it lacks EVE-related content. Mail [email protected] if you have questions. -Hango
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.13 15:07:00 - [25] We have more than just a forum. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
ToxicFire Phoenix Knights Dark Nebula Galactic Empire	Posted - 2008.02.13 15:08:00 - [26] Originally by: An Anarchyyt We have more than just a forum. We also have a book club and a Eveoholics Anonymous group ------------------------------------------ Sig removed as it lacks EVE-related content. Mail [email protected] if you have questions. -Hango
Zapatero	Posted - 2008.02.13 15:13:00 - [27] Edited by: Zapatero on 13/02/2008 15:14:40 It had occurred to me that if these things were to be decided by a "council" they could be EON contributors, but seeing as most of the them are already respected (aside from Blinky) and many are rightful nominees, that kinds murkies things a bit. Or you could have the winners from the previous year being part of the council, which might rule then out of winning twice in a row. Regardless of who decides the nominees, should everyone be able to vote as they can at the moment? Ultimately it's a damned-if-you-do/damned-if-you-don't situation - so why not just have fun with it and admit that collectively we can't be trusted to tie our own shoelaces - Z -------------------------------------------------- Editor, EON Postings From The Edge
Nyphur Pillowsoft Total Comfort	Posted - 2008.02.13 15:13:00 - [28] Originally by: Winterblink Originally by: Nyphur Indeed. Though an impartial nomination council consisting of trusted community members would certainly help eliminate bogus winners. It'd be impossible to find a single member of this community that everyone would agree is 'trusted' in this regard. Not neccesarily. All they need is some people who are generally trusted and can explain their reasons for their nominations in detail. Bad reasons could lead to exclusion of their vote. You, chribba and myself instantly spring to mind. DS is probably another good choice. Throw in an ISD and a dev and let them all discuss nominations among themselves, then write up their list and reasons and you've got yourself a nomination council people can trust. All it takes then is to have someone from MMM look over the list and discount any votes with very weak reasons. Eve-Tanking.com - We're sorry, something happened.
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.02.13 15:19:00 - [29] How about some awards decided by the whole of the player base, some by a section of the player base, and some by a committee as appropriate? Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Verone Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.02.13 15:31:00 - [30] Originally by: Nyphur Yeah. To be perfectly honest, you of all people deserve an award. Maybe I'll make you one out of tinfoil and post it out if you don't win an EON one. Well, mass vote blobbing wins the day mate, and just like combat in Eve it always will. >>> THE LIFE OF AN OUTLAW - EVE FICTION <<<

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