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Saladin
Minmatar
Eternity INC.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2008.02.15 14:10:00 -
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Edited by: Saladin on 15/02/2008 14:32:57
I have not used TD's lately, are they chance based or work all the time? ECM is chance based and its balanced so that only dedicated ships like the scorp/blackbird and so on can make good use of it. Will TD's become something that everyone will be able to use or only dedicated Amarr EW platforms?
I'm also wondering with laser cap bonuses built into ships like the apoc, does this mean that lenses will burn out after 40 shots? Something has to be done to balance these new realities. 10 seconds to reload is not 10 seconds when there are 250 people in the system. Time for amarr to have ammo like the rest of us. And yes, lasers do still use a small amount of cap, but Amarr ships already get more cap because of it (even carriers - which don't use lasers!) so its a moot point.
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Msobe
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Posted - 2008.02.15 14:34:00 -
[92]
"Apocalypse:
* Fitting: 505tf, 20500mw (+5tf, +1000mw)
* Capacitor capacity: 7500en (+25%)
* Bonuses:
o 10% reduction in large energy turret capacitor usage per Amarr Battleship level (no change)
o 7.5% bonus to large energy turret optimal range per Amarr Battleship level (replaces the 5% capacitor capacity bonus)"
The cap bonus is built in, not the laser cap use reduction. Amarr are supposed to have a cap advantage . . . so what does that have to do with ammo? T1 crystals are the only place that advantage exists anyhow . . . T2 ammo often costs more (a lot more) per shot than other ammo types.
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Goumindong
Amarr
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.15 15:32:00 -
[93]
 Originally by: Theron Gyrow
Originally by: Goumindong
There are four non-gallente ships with drone bays larger than their minmitar equivalent.
Three of those are explicitly drone ships.
I'm calling point-of-fact on this.
You are right, i forgot the new sentinel. I would have been comparing the Omen to the Rupture and not the stabber[The Maller is the Amarr tackler cruiser], and completely ignored the scythe, because really who cares. So its 5. Oh noes.
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Goumindong
Amarr
Merch Industrial
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.15 15:34:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Saladin
Edited by: Saladin on 15/02/2008 14:32:57
I have not used TD's lately, are they chance based or work all the time? ECM is chance based and its balanced so that only dedicated ships like the scorp/blackbird and so on can make good use of it. Will TD's become something that everyone will be able to use or only dedicated Amarr EW platforms?
I'm also wondering with laser cap bonuses built into ships like the apoc, does this mean that lenses will burn out after 40 shots? Something has to be done to balance these new realities. 10 seconds to reload is not 10 seconds when there are 250 people in the system. Time for amarr to have ammo like the rest of us. And yes, lasers do still use a small amount of cap, but Amarr ships already get more cap because of it (even carriers - which don't use lasers!) so its a moot point.
its actually harder for Amarr to change ammo under heavy lag, because the guns compete for the same crystals. When this happens one of them gets a crystal and the other are unloaded. Repeat as many times as you have guns.
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Lilith Velkor
Minmatar
Oyster Colors
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Posted - 2008.02.15 18:33:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Diomidis
Originally by: Lilith Velkor
Where are those huge dronebays you keep talking about? Rupture? Stabber? Hurricane?
Hmm, the Cyclone or Bellicose have really big dronebays... oh wait 
Character's Selective Reading and Comprehension skill at lvl 5 - am I right?
Where did you ever read "huge"?
 Guess you're not far away from lvl5 either.
But replace "huge" with "adequate", I think thats what you were saying exactly.
Now correct me if I'm wrong, but imho 5-40m¦ bandwidth without replacements isn't really adequate to put up a drone based fight (even if we forget about loosing drones for a moment), I'd say "supplemental" would be a more fitting description.
Same goes for missiles, yes we have the doubtful advantage of split weapon systems, but honestly, would you be scared of 3 unbonused HAM IIs ?
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Lilith Velkor
Minmatar
Oyster Colors
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Posted - 2008.02.15 18:58:00 -
[96]
Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 15/02/2008 19:00:34
Originally by: Lady Octavia
For matar whiners:
TC/TE are there to boost guns attributes(optimal/tracking)and not to counter TD ,these modules arent meant to countering TD-s,so asking for a counter against falloff disruptor isnt valid arguement.
From the Player Guide, referring to electronic warfare, about tracking disruption:
Quote:
Modules used as a countermeasure:
Tracking Computers
Now if we change TDs (the change isnt bad at all), imho the modules regarded as counter should follow. Yes they are not only used to counter TDs, but claiming they arent counters is nonsense.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr
Dark-Rising
The Dawn of Darkness
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Posted - 2008.02.15 19:03:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Lilith Velkor
Edited by: Lilith Velkor on 15/02/2008 19:00:34
Originally by: Lady Octavia
For matar whiners:
TC/TE are there to boost guns attributes(optimal/tracking)and not to counter TD ,these modules arent meant to countering TD-s,so asking for a counter against falloff disruptor isnt valid arguement.
From the Player Guide, referring to electronic warfare, about tracking disruption:
Quote:
Modules used as a countermeasure:
Tracking Computers
Now if we change TDs (the change isnt bad at all), imho the modules regarded as counter should follow. Yes they are not only used to counter TDs, but claiming they arent counters is nonsense.
Player guide also says that it disrupts optimal AND tracking wich is not true. SO lets ignore player guide.
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Diomidis
Amarr
Mythos Corp
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.15 19:49:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Lilith Velkor
Guess you're not far away from lvl5 either.
But replace "huge" with "adequate", I think thats what you were saying exactly.
Now correct me if I'm wrong, but imho 5-40m¦ bandwidth without replacements isn't really adequate to put up a drone based fight (even if we forget about loosing drones for a moment), I'd say "supplemental" would be a more fitting description.
Same goes for missiles, yes we have the doubtful advantage of split weapon systems, but honestly, would you be scared of 3 unbonused HAM IIs ?
Not that I'm not glad to have them as additional dps, but clearly the ACs tend to be the main damage source on the Hurricane, and even if I decide to accommodate to my new maximum range and get into web range I still suffer a huge penalty to my damage dealt until I get to optimal (not every fight is 1vs1 and not every enemy amarr).
Yes. TDs will hurt you. What I'm saying is, that you won't hurt as much as Amarr would, simply because Minmatar ships at least get the option for unbonused MLs and drones = they are less prone to TDs than other races.
Yes, the Vaga will have it tough against TDs...but even more a Zealot that has zero drones and zero MLs.
That, along with other advantages like speed for example - make up for "adequate" - huge difference than stating "huge drone bays" or sth. Never meant to mislead, never did.
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Liang Nuren
The Avalon Foundation
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Posted - 2008.02.15 22:08:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Player guide also says that it disrupts optimal AND tracking wich is not true. SO lets ignore player guide.
Does a CCP Developer count as saying its a counter in reference to the Trinity expansion? Because they did.
-Liang
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Lilith Velkor
Minmatar
Oyster Colors
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Posted - 2008.02.16 17:31:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
Player guide also says that it disrupts optimal AND tracking wich is not true. SO lets ignore player guide.
Not true, eh? Check again, it indeed disrupts optimal and tracking at the same time. But if it doesn't suit your argumentation just ignore it 
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