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Helen Hunts Gallente Red Dragon Mining inc Red Dragon Industries	Posted - 2008.02.15 06:41:00 - [61] Just use the secure system. It's not difficult, there's NO RISK to either buyer or seller, and the GMs won't do anything bad to you. Such a deal, no? _______________________________ Mine da rocks, make more ships. Pop da rats, make more rigs. Sell da gear, make more money. Any Questions?
Riho Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.02.15 06:42:00 - [62] Forums... the place to get the latest news. and this applys to any MMO out there. "Any other methods of trading Time Codes are done at your own risk" risk= getting caught by CCP. does the UNSECURE thing like say something to you ??? IF i was selling GTC for isk... i wouldn't ever use something that involves UNSECURE... because that real money we are talking also. PS: i hate GTC sellers and also like them very much aswell. i like them because they usually drop VERY nice loot. hate them because its stupid to buy isk for real money tbh ---------------------------------- This is Me
Mara Rinn Minmatar	Posted - 2008.02.15 06:50:00 - [63] Bunch of idiots. Let's pull out a old propaganda story: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came... Now, all you people saying that the OP got his just desserts: go to the "My Account" pages, follow the links to the secure GTC trading page (https://secure.eve-online.com/SecSellEtc.aspx), read that page and the attached FAQ. Nowhere on those pages does it say that selling GTC for ISK outside of that mechanism is not allowed. The worst warning is "at your own risk". Unless you read the forums (many players don't, in any MMO I've played), you won't know that trading GTC for ISK without using the secure mechanism is now an offense which will result in the loss of ISK or banning of the account. Just because you don't agree with trading GTC for ISK, doesn't make it wrong.
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.02.15 07:01:00 - [64] The OP has a mild point in that the web site only gives a vauge description of what will happen if he sells a gtc out of the secure method and tbqh I think it needs updating for better clarity. But. I'm willing to bet a ton of isk if he had simply kept escalating his petition instead of coming to the forums to whine and cast suspicion on CCPs business ethics he would be looking at a nice fat wallet again eventually. But one thing is certain. You will never get satisfaction by coming to the forums and throwing mud about. Originally by: Nice Guy This means that the writer epicaly fails at english. Irony. So delicious.
Qui Shon	Posted - 2008.02.15 08:26:00 - [65] Originally by: Riho "Any other methods of trading Time Codes are done at your own risk" risk= getting caught by CCP. If that's how it is, then that's a very clear cut case of ccp baiting and scamming. RL baiting and scamming. However, I believe it is more a question of negligence. OP definitely has a case. Quote: does the UNSECURE thing like say something to you ??? IF i was selling GTC for isk... i wouldn't ever use something that involves UNSECURE... because that real money we are talking also. We can't all be cowards, some people do actually take small risks to expedite things. We can expect scams in game, but not out of game from the lovely company that has made this game.
Inertial The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.02.15 09:49:00 - [66] Oh hey, look what this is: What people should read before they do something stupid!
The Slayer Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.15 09:56:00 - [67] Maybe the op should have read the manua.... oh wait. Well maybe he should have read the page about the GTC selling thats attached to the secure site, it would surely have it listed the.... nope, wrong again. It is unreasonable to expect people to trawl through god knows how many different sources of information just in case they are doing something wrong. There should be a mention on the GTC selling site that selling outside the secure system is illegal.
Duuna Morhphite	Posted - 2008.02.15 10:02:00 - [68] Obviously CCP arent trying to SCAM you, it's just a case of CCP employees being lazy mofos (or plainly forgot). And as much I think the OP is a nub to sell codes outside the secure system. You can't expect that everyone reads the boards to get information about rules of the game. It needs to be in the terms and/or in the FAQ for it to be viable. (Its perfectly common customer care). But hey its nothing new, no game developer have ever been much into customer care. _____________ The alt
Raimo Gallente Blue.	Posted - 2008.02.15 10:12:00 - [69] Originally by: DrAtomic Conclusion: CCP should update the documentation and refund him the isk THEN and only THEN implement the secure trade is mandatory rule no other forms of GTC trade are allowed. The OP has a case. EDIT: It's unfair to have something on the forums superceed something that is in the documentation/faq about GTC trades on the website; it cannot be expected that every player is aware of the content of all forum posts even if it were just stickies. Because it is fair to assume that one can trade GTC without even touching the forum section for it. This. A great case of the awesomely sucky state that a lot of the documentation is in, and also the zerg-like "policies". CCP are not really great at helping their customers... *CCP, please improve the UI and make it customizable with more assignable key commands!*
RaTTuS BIG Ka-Tet	Posted - 2008.02.15 10:15:00 - [70] to the OP , well buy some more GTC and sell them as you sold 1 out of the 5, and don't do it again. -- BIG Lottery, BIG Deal, InEve & Portrait Server
Sinder Ohm Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.02.15 10:26:00 - [71]
Cipher7	Posted - 2008.02.15 10:32:00 - [72] How would CCP know if you used GTC/unsecure or you bought the isk cash?
dailien S2S	Posted - 2008.02.15 10:40:00 - [73] Originally by: Raimo Originally by: DrAtomic Conclusion: CCP should update the documentation and refund him the isk THEN and only THEN implement the secure trade is mandatory rule no other forms of GTC trade are allowed. The OP has a case. EDIT: It's unfair to have something on the forums superceed something that is in the documentation/faq about GTC trades on the website; it cannot be expected that every player is aware of the content of all forum posts even if it were just stickies. Because it is fair to assume that one can trade GTC without even touching the forum section for it. This. A great case of the awesomely sucky state that a lot of the documentation is in, and also the zerg-like "policies". CCP are not really great at helping their customers... Agreed. DrAtomic is spot on. Its CCP's fault their Q & A is out of date. And to assume that all 200,000 subscribers of Eve Online come to these forums first to see what the rules are concerning certain issues makes those suggesting it look like gimps. Ignorance may not be an excuse, but mis-leading the playerbase with conflicting or outdated policies is inexcusable. So reimburse the OP his 540m isk and update the Q & A, CCP. Its your mistake, not the OP's.
Gaia Thorn Villains	Posted - 2008.02.15 10:52:00 - [74] Got to agree that according to CCP's own webpage he followed every instruction to the letter. He sold 4 unsecure wether it be to farmer/macro or just a alliance friend he took the risk of getting scammed and he wasnt. And according to the OP they removed his ISK due to the sole reason of him trading unsecure now if this is true it's mind boggeling. This information shouldnt be updated on a forum when it involves RL money this should be looked at very closely and the text should be constatly updated on the homepage. Specially if it is linked via the way most people find out about GTC's, through their own homepage. For me CCP should atleast take a look at their own procedure for updating and maintaining their rules and policies. In this particular case if i was the OP i would request the case to be escalated to a senior CCP employee. Have them make a descision about this particular matter and strongly point out that the information on the homepage isnt updated and ask them to atleast supply a link on homepage to the forum post.
Gaven Blands	Posted - 2008.02.15 11:11:00 - [75] ISK transfers with no directly associated transfer of tangible goods may be interpretted as isk buying by CCP. You complaining about CCPs illegal isk policy, not non-secure GTC, you just don't really realise it. As far as they are concerned, you bought isk. And CCPs policy on isk buying is utter bullpies. Rest assured the guy that sold you the isk didn't feel any pain recently. Companies that steal off me end up spending more than they took as a direct consequence, I have a very strict policy on that. If we all did, they would stop stealing. -- And with this post, I scent this thread. Mitnal will be along shortly. Modbutton in one hand, tissue in the other.
George Richards Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.02.15 11:23:00 - [76] Originally by: Gaven Blands You complaining about CCPs illegal isk policy, not non-secure GTC, you just don't really realise it. errr no. He's complaining about following CCP's "rules" to the letter. Unfortunaltely the rules he followed were outdated and the new rules were posted elswhere on the website without a link directing him to them. I know he had a good old moan in his original post, but the essence of what he's moaning about is right there if you go back and read it again. "...need a cig"
sesanti Minmatar Universal Exports FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.02.15 12:12:00 - [77] CCP should reimburse him the money. No forum should replace the official rules, and if the official rules are not updated it's not the customer's fault. What's more, you can't have two places where you post rules. And definitely NOT when they differ / contradict each other. The OP's motives are definitely not in question here, or do you feel it's compulsory for you to state your motives for buying a GTC to the entire community before you buy it? This could have happened to ANY of you with ANY rule, and could still happen as well, so stop being smartasses with the "serves you right" because you are probably not going to like it to get that response in the future should something similar happen to YOU! _______________________________________________ The ShadowMaster - <I am a guy... don't mind the portrait>
Dracorimus Caldari 0utbreak	Posted - 2008.02.15 12:26:00 - [78] Just stop GTC altogether Every player should be made to work for bloody isk, I mean ppl who are richer IRL have an immediate advantage being able to buy these things then sell for ingame isk. Its as bad as isk farming selling isk for RL money, isnt it one and the same ? Spending RL money to get ingame isk Think about it. -
Abigail Mossflaps	Posted - 2008.02.15 13:03:00 - [79] Originally by: Mara Rinn Bunch of idiots. Now, all you people saying that the OP got his just desserts: go to the "My Account" pages, follow the links to the secure GTC trading page (https://secure.eve-online.com/SecSellEtc.aspx), read that page and the attached FAQ. Nowhere on those pages does it say that selling GTC for ISK outside of that mechanism is not allowed. The worst warning is "at your own risk". Unless you read the forums (many players don't, in any MMO I've played), you won't know that trading GTC for ISK without using the secure mechanism is now an offense which will result in the loss of ISK or banning of the account. Just because you don't agree with trading GTC for ISK, doesn't make it wrong. This post wins the thread. End of story. I am amazed at just how dismissive and arrogant many of the replies in this thread are. CCP should reimburse first, and then update their website. It's becoming laughably out of date.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.02.15 13:16:00 - [80] Great lolstory. Would read again.
Morrow Disca Macrocosm Advanced Industries	Posted - 2008.02.15 13:24:00 - [81] OP, you are just too stupid for words. To act like such an idiot is bad enough but then go on to post it on the forums? It's not even funny its just sad. You've failed the internet, i'm going to have to ask you to leave.
Iyanah Minmatar MX3 Development Zzz	Posted - 2008.02.15 13:33:00 - [82] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Visceroth biggest question would be why sell them the non-secure way? If CCP offers a easy and safe way to do this why wouldn't you use CCP's way? I'd say you learned a valuable lesson. And asdfgdgs's ISK has been removed from the game. I agree, there are rules, you clearly didn't bother to read them. there was a secure system implemented ages ago - did you ever stop to wonder WHY? the insecure GTC selling method was made to be against the rules because it made people look like ISK farmers. you have only yourself to blame, and I honestly think you deserved it for not reading the rules. ========================================== that's no moon... oh, wait, yes it is, the space station's out the other window.
Val Vympel Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.02.15 13:41:00 - [83] Originally by: Gaven Blands ISK transfers with no directly associated transfer of tangible goods may be interpretted as isk buying by CCP. You complaining about CCPs illegal isk policy, not non-secure GTC, you just don't really realise it. As far as they are concerned, you bought isk. And CCPs policy on isk buying is utter bullpies. Rest assured the guy that sold you the isk didn't feel any pain recently. Companies that steal off me end up spending more than they took as a direct consequence, I have a very strict policy on that. If we all did, they would stop stealing. This....Gaven you beat me to it. If I were the OP I would petition a senior CCP employee. IMO it appears that the CCP employee responsible for this action against the OP is probably just another "mindless goose stepping corporate lemming". I agree 100% with the OP and with the other replies that support the OP concerning this topic. If the rules are not outlined correctly in the "OFFICIAL" company sources than CCP has no leg to stand on concerning their actions in this matter. OP pursue this to the fullest,don't give up or give in,be patient and civil and I hope this works out for the best for you. Cheers
Mr John22ta 181st Legion	Posted - 2008.02.15 13:45:00 - [84] The OP has a valid case in my opionion, and should be re-imbursed. This is simply down to CCP providing conflicting info, This guy has lost RL money, and I for one think that sucks And to all the "GTC trading sucks" idiots, while you are entilteld to your valid opinion, this thread really isn't the place to discuss it.
George Richards Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.02.15 13:49:00 - [85] Originally by: Morrow Disca OP, you are just too stupid for words. To act like such an idiot is bad enough but then go on to post it on the forums? It's not even funny its just sad. You've failed the internet, i'm going to have to ask you to leave. Actually it is you and the poster below you (Iyanah) who are too stupid for words. You didn't read the OP's post did you, nor the few posts above yours? You just jumped on the flame bandwaggon like almost everyone else and thought you'd try and look "kool" to all the other sheeple. You "failed the internet", now move along. Idiot "...need a cig"
Gaven Blands	Posted - 2008.02.15 14:05:00 - [86] Edited by: Gaven Blands on 15/02/2008 14:09:48 Edited by: Gaven Blands on 15/02/2008 14:07:12 Originally by: George Richards I know he had a good old moan in his original post, but the essence of what he's moaning about is right there if you go back and read it again. I did it read it. I don't need to read it again. It's very obvious he has gained isk into his account "from nowhere". CCP have therefore treated him as an isk buyer. They have no idea he owned those GTCs. They have no idea he sold them. All they know is he gained isk, apparently for nothing. Therefore they dealt with him as an ISK buyer. CCPs own warning regarding non-secure GTC transactions do not state what kind of outcomes may result from using non-secure transactions, but it does clearly state they're not interested if something bad happens as a result from using it, but they do strongly recommend that you do not use it. They likely recognised that ISK transfer with no associated goods was a problem to their "anti isk buyer" implementation, but they are hardly likely to publish it, since they have a track record of publishing as little as possible. But they did publish quite clearly, that non-secure GTC was a minefield, and you should avoid it like the plague, and they didn't mince their words, they were very clear. Very clear indeed. This outcome is the result of not heeding good advice, what was expected to be gained by not heeding the advice is unknown, but I bet it was nothing compared to the consequences. It could also be an elaborate attempt to cover up a direct isk purchase for all we know, and for that matter all CCP can see is that exact same scenario, there is no supporting evidence of any particular scenario over any other. Hence all those warnings that were never heeded. I've repeated myself enough I feel. EDIT: And yes. CCP's method for dealing with illegal isk sucks. That's not the point. And yes. I believe ANYBODY over CCP. That's not the point either. And yes. I'd be annoyed if I'd gotten myself into this tangle. That also is not the point. -- And with this post, I scent this thread. Mitnal will be along shortly. Modbutton in one hand, tissue in the other.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.02.15 14:06:00 - [87] Originally by: Sinder Ohm This.
Agent Li Caldari Galactic Defence Consortium BLACKHAWK FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.02.15 14:12:00 - [88] If I need isk in game, I go in-game and make it there. I don't buy GTC and sell them for isk - even under "legal" conditions. I find it lame. So I have no sympathy for you. ------------------ Let me show you around. That's my lab table, and this is my workstool. And over there is my intergalactic spaceship. And here's where I keep assorted lengths of wire.
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.02.15 14:51:00 - [89] Originally by: Scouteye So much of this games rules are writen on forums and not everyone wants to trail through them all looking for one post. They're called Stickies. They're right at the top, and have all the nice important stuff. And since almost all of the rules are available on the forums like you said, then it would make sense to peruse them once in a while.
Zaren Namuras	Posted - 2008.02.15 15:34:00 - [90] Okay some answers to those here who had some questions. Reason why i traded the unsecure way instead of secure way was random. i found someone who was willing to pay first via private convo and proceeded to give him GTC's after receiving my payment. Answer to how i could have sold the gtc's without visiting the forums once, Easy i knew there was a trade channel ingame and used that one at the time didnt even think of the forums as an alternative. And the reason why i wrote this was for 3 reasons 1) A change in the documentation, specifically in the FAQ documentation, Word illegal or -removal of the isk received upon trading the unsecure way- should prevent mistakes like these from happening 2) I want my money back, i did a mistake i admit it, I will ofcourse not do it again but i hope to get my money back.. 3) you guys input in the matter, am i right here or am i to blame myself completely here, some support to get through a change of the text in the documentation And do you really think im associated with isk sellers? just look at my character info and the corp to which i belong....

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