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Wind Ictiva Delta Kappa Gamma	Posted - 2008.02.17 04:52:00 - [31] Originally by: Elienee Its also a telltale on those who jump to NPC corps, when their corp get wardeced (this seems to apply too both carebears and lowsec pirates). do low sec pirates get wardecced a lot? Originally by: Admiral Love Hmm creating a thread like this is perhaps a little like sitting naked with bleeding balls in a pool of piranhas. I Won't do it again - most of you guys are pretty nasty.
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Deadly Addiction	Posted - 2008.02.17 05:12:00 - [32] Remove employment history those right click open convo'ers don't need to know where I've been
Dr Caligo	Posted - 2008.02.17 06:05:00 - [33] CCP should add character transfer dates to employment history.
rValdez5987 Amarr Killed In Action The Crimson Federation	Posted - 2008.02.17 08:22:00 - [34] /signed. You should be able to say which characters are purchased from their original owners... not that its hard to find out, when youve got a 2003 player, flying around in a worst named t1 fitted caracal, and he doesnt even know what a war target is, yet he has an excellent employment history with many big alliances.
Cpt Branko Surge. Night's Dawn	Posted - 2008.02.17 11:29:00 - [35] Originally by: Wind Ictiva do low sec pirates get wardecced a lot? Funnily enough, I've had people wardec my old corp (which is a pirate corp + some industrials, all living in lowsec). Which is strange, because that removes the advantage of sentries being on their side. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Maikar Gallente The Bloody Red Souls Chaos Incarnate.	Posted - 2008.02.17 12:11:00 - [36] Originally by: Cpt Branko Originally by: Wind Ictiva do low sec pirates get wardecced a lot? Funnily enough, I've had people wardec my old corp (which is a pirate corp + some industrials, all living in lowsec). Which is strange, because that removes the advantage of sentries being on their side. Yarr, and we beat em. :)
Viqer Fell Minmatar Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.02.17 13:50:00 - [37] I agree, the employment history should also contain the dates for character sales Character Ownership transferred 27.12.2006 for example Trinity Nova Mercenary Services Web Site - Nominated for the 2008 E-ON Magazine Awards
Dimitry Kalashnikov The Black Fleet	Posted - 2008.02.17 18:11:00 - [38] Ok, its evident that some people are either not reading fully or not understanding. In the end, this is the system that I'd like to see. 1) When someone right clicks and clicks show info, there is no employment history tab. 2) When someone applys to a corporation, all members of the corporation/alliance can now right click and show info and see the employment history. 3) When someone does a character transfer, that will be shown in the employment history that the character was transfered on X Date and Time. This will enable corporations to still catch spies and such but the employment history as it is now is frankly quite flawed. Lets say I wanted to join BoB and fit all their requirements, I probably wouldn't because I have Goonswarm on my employment history. I have never been on Goonswarm before, but the previous owner of this character was. So why should I suffer his choices. Sins of the father and all that. Furthermore the comment has been made that: "Employment history is a awesome tool for gang spotting, etc, especially if you remember who's friends with who and such things." and I 100% agree, but the fact of the matter is, thats not how it was intended to be used. I hate to associate EVE with real life but realistically speaking we don't all walk around earth with our Resumes taped to our chests. ============================================== The thousand ships of the Black Fleet Corporation descent upon you! Our Void L will blot out the sun!
Ja'kar MAFIA	Posted - 2008.02.18 01:18:00 - [39] Resumes taped to our chests. now that would be cool - looking for **** stars - or strippers
Danari Amarr Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.18 03:12:00 - [40] I like the history the way it is. Some of my funnest solo kills came back when I had the ASCN tag and got improbable fights such as maller on claw, blackbird on jag, moa on ishkur, etc. [Tri][VSQ]Danari in these same ships 100 times out of 100 won't get aggressed. On the reverse, I've had some impressive surprises, such as a battle-iteron, and Ramireza in an Osprey on a toon named Caldari Citizen... bbq me. Would I have taken on Ramireza in any cruiser in the game in my Sabre? Oh hell no. The way I see it, none of those fights occur because there's nothing to represent lack of street cred to prompt aggression.
Dimitry Kalashnikov The Black Fleet	Posted - 2008.02.18 03:32:00 - [41] Originally by: Danari I like the history the way it is. Some of my funnest solo kills came back when I had the ASCN tag and got improbable fights such as maller on claw, blackbird on jag, moa on ishkur, etc. [Tri][VSQ]Danari in these same ships 100 times out of 100 won't get aggressed. On the reverse, I've had some impressive surprises, such as a battle-iteron, and Ramireza in an Osprey on a toon named Caldari Citizen... bbq me. Would I have taken on Ramireza in any cruiser in the game in my Sabre? Oh hell no. The way I see it, none of those fights occur because there's nothing to represent lack of street cred to prompt aggression. What are you talking about? ============================================== The thousand ships of the Black Fleet Corporation descent upon you! Our Void L will blot out the sun!
Cyriel Longinus XERCORE	Posted - 2008.02.18 04:48:00 - [42] Employment history is the only in game archive of history in EvE. There many others that have a very colorful employment histories with names that invoke memories of past eras of good times. I believe that Danari above suggested that his employment history had been beneficial for him and he is immensely proud of it. I am also happy with mine for many reasons but mostly because it shows that I love playing EvE since Æ05. When I began, I looked at info for older characters ... I thought how freakin cool this game must be to have a community so into the game that people play for years. Dimitry, You bought your current name and so naturally you would want to wipe clean all the history of your current incarnation. Obviously you do not fully accept the identity of Dimitry Kalashnikov and why would you à you continue the name but you did not shape the history of the character. But that would be the consequence of buying a character. ItÆs understandable you would want the benefit of a skilled character. It would make sense that you would attempt to rally as many sympathizers to this personal notion to change a game mechanic that honors the old timers in a simple way. I understand. If you had shaped the history of Dimitry, this post would have never seen these forums. If others had realized upon character creation that they would fall in love with EvE during the trial period they would have not named themselves something so impulsive. The same is true for what corp they had chosen to associate with. But that is the beauty of EvE à we have history and consequences. Thos are things I never want to see wiped clean.
YourDaddi	Posted - 2008.02.18 05:13:00 - [43] Originally by: Khul Drukath Maybe employment history should only be revealed when you make an app to join a corp. Who else really needs to know? you have never been in sov. space have you?
YourDaddi	Posted - 2008.02.18 05:15:00 - [44] Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov Ok, its evident that some people are either not reading fully or not understanding. In the end, this is the system that I'd like to see. 1) When someone right clicks and clicks show info, there is no employment history tab. 2) When someone applys to a corporation, all members of the corporation/alliance can now right click and show info and see the employment history. 3) When someone does a character transfer, that will be shown in the employment history that the character was transfered on X Date and Time. This will enable corporations to still catch spies and such but the employment history as it is now is frankly quite flawed. Lets say I wanted to join BoB and fit all their requirements, I probably wouldn't because I have Goonswarm on my employment history. I have never been on Goonswarm before, but the previous owner of this character was. So why should I suffer his choices. Sins of the father and all that. Furthermore the comment has been made that: "Employment history is a awesome tool for gang spotting, etc, especially if you remember who's friends with who and such things." and I 100% agree, but the fact of the matter is, thats not how it was intended to be used. I hate to associate EVE with real life but realistically speaking we don't all walk around earth with our Resumes taped to our chests. dont buy ur toons. problem solved.
Cyriel Longinus XERCORE	Posted - 2008.02.18 05:17:00 - [45] Originally by: YourDaddi dont buy ur toons. problem solved. Damn you, I write a wall of text and simply said it in one sentence
Julius Romanus Blood Corsair's Blood Blind	Posted - 2008.02.18 05:50:00 - [46] Originally by: YourDaddi Originally by: Dr Caligo CCP should add character transfer dates to employment history. this is a good idea. It would end the reign of the Jenny Spitfire ruse =P Also, I like corp history. Very little in this game goes into the feeling of the world. For myself I like being able to look at my corp history and think fondly on pirating in Null Horizon, or the good times had against REPO in Bloodmoney IncÖ. For others, I like seeing where they have been. You even run into former corp mates you'd forgotten sometimes
Danari Amarr Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.18 11:19:00 - [47] Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov Originally by: Danari I like the history the way it is. Some of my funnest solo kills came back when I had the ASCN tag and got improbable fights such as maller on claw, blackbird on jag, moa on ishkur, etc. [Tri][VSQ]Danari in these same ships 100 times out of 100 won't get aggressed. On the reverse, I've had some impressive surprises, such as a battle-iteron, and Ramireza in an Osprey on a toon named Caldari Citizen... bbq me. Would I have taken on Ramireza in any cruiser in the game in my Sabre? Oh hell no. The way I see it, none of those fights occur because there's nothing to represent lack of street cred to prompt aggression. What are you talking about? How about you train English as a primary language to lvl 1 and get back to me -- nub.
LordChaos Amarr Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.02.18 12:15:00 - [48] my only problem with Employment history its it lags the game when you want to check local for pirates :) all i want to check is their sec status but also it auto opens on employment history which is annoying :) and i fought 1 year characters who engaged me first so i dont see that as a problem though just laggy :) The Master Of Chaos
Kaileen Starsong Amarr Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.02.18 12:17:00 - [49] Edited by: Kaileen Starsong on 18/02/2008 12:21:30 Edited by: Kaileen Starsong on 18/02/2008 12:18:30 Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov stuff Well, I've personally not encountered the high SP syndrom, but then I'm too young of a char to be feared really(jan 2006). On the other side, I find it quite amusing when I pop something and then realize it was some 2004 char Very useful tool of reconnaisance when flying solo btw, won't really like to see it removed(as it's challenging enough to solo already). Should be an option maybe to hide all but last employment entities' dates. Most combat pilots I know tend not to look at character creation date btw, one can not be specc'ed higher than lvl 5 into something anyway. Edit. Seems to be somewhat less of stuff to shoot at after I joined Veto though. Maybe you're right..
Dimitry Kalashnikov The Black Fleet	Posted - 2008.02.18 13:13:00 - [50] I had no choice but to buy my toon. I was one of those unfortunate people that didn't listen when people told me "Don't sell your main!", but I did and put the isk on my alt because I was quitting. Upon my return (addicted) I was forced to sell my carebear alt to buy this PvP character. However the thing is, I don't have a problem with people running away from the age of THIS character. It's the main that I sold, which obviously, I no longer use. So you can see that the main point of this thread was based on past experience and not self interest. I didn't even think of the character transfer thing till someone mentioned it, and frankly it's a great idea. I will however say one last time. I do not want Employment History wiped clean. I simply want it concealed from the average Joe and make it only visible to corps that you join or are trying to join. ============================================== The thousand ships of the Black Fleet Corporation descent upon you! Our Void L will blot out the sun!
Cpt Branko Surge. Night's Dawn	Posted - 2008.02.18 13:59:00 - [51] Originally by: Kaileen Starsong Edit. Seems to be somewhat less of stuff to shoot at after I joined Veto though. Maybe you're right.. Yeah, because Veto is known as very efficent, and having even more efficent gangs ;) Thinking about it, it's a big thing on your resume - any PvP corp would take a ex-Veto member in with far less checks, you'd naturally assume if someone was in Veto for any prologed period of time that he must know his stuff. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Wu Jiun	Posted - 2008.02.18 17:20:00 - [52] Erasing the employment history on a char transfer doesn't make sense. What keeps say a scammer from transfering his character twice between two of his accounts or between the account of a friend and his own? The idea of the employment history was that in eve your reputation counts. You can't just use the "get out of jail" card if you screwed up. Of course the existence of char transfers itself has watered down the principle. So imo it would be best to just ban all character transfers and be done with it.
Natural High	Posted - 2008.02.18 22:14:00 - [53] I personnaly enjoy corp history. Its a very nice thing to see and remember what youve been through and what youve been doing for years.
Dimitry Kalashnikov The Black Fleet	Posted - 2008.02.18 23:13:00 - [54] Originally by: Wu Jiun Erasing the employment history on a char transfer doesn't make sense. What keeps say a scammer from transfering his character twice between two of his accounts or between the account of a friend and his own? The idea of the employment history was that in eve your reputation counts. You can't just use the "get out of jail" card if you screwed up. Of course the existence of char transfers itself has watered down the principle. So imo it would be best to just ban all character transfers and be done with it. Not erase. Just have a little marker in there saying "Character Transfered on X Date and Time". ============================================== The thousand ships of the Black Fleet Corporation descent upon you! Our Void L will blot out the sun!
Wu Jiun	Posted - 2008.02.19 13:44:00 - [55] Edited by: Wu Jiun on 19/02/2008 13:44:44 Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov I mean wow, are you just dumb or something? Take your medication ahole. Edit: And yes erasing the employment history has been proposed in this thread.
Zenobite Soliders Of Eve The Church.	Posted - 2008.02.19 15:54:00 - [56] Originally by: Wu Jiun Edited by: Wu Jiun on 19/02/2008 13:44:44 Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov I mean wow, are you just dumb or something? Take your medication ahole. Edit: And yes erasing the employment history has been proposed in this thread. The orignal suggestion was a flag to say when someone transfered a char, someone else suggested erasing employment history. So why don't you take you medication and shove it where the sun don't shine.
Wu Jiun	Posted - 2008.02.19 16:01:00 - [57] Edited by: Wu Jiun on 19/02/2008 16:02:55 Originally by: Zenobite The orignal suggestion was a flag to say when someone transfered a char, someone else suggested erasing employment history. And i can't comment on something someone else said in this thread exactly why? And where exactly did i indicate i was commenting on the op specifically? Did i quote the OP? No, i did not. Because i wasn't referring to the Op but to some of the ideas raised in this thread. And who are you again? You're his mum, right?
Dimitry Kalashnikov The Black Fleet	Posted - 2008.02.19 16:03:00 - [58] Originally by: Wu Jiun Edited by: Wu Jiun on 19/02/2008 13:44:44 Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov I mean wow, are you just dumb or something? Take your medication ahole. Edit: And yes erasing the employment history has been proposed in this thread. Lol, thats my sig I mean wow, are you just dumb or something?
Wu Jiun	Posted - 2008.02.19 16:05:00 - [59] Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov Edit: And yes erasing the employment history has been proposed in this thread. Lol, thats my sig Ouch. Ok, i firmly apologize. For me it looked like you were throwing insults at me although i just meant to comment on some of the ideas raised here (not by you specifically though).
Dimitry Kalashnikov The Black Fleet	Posted - 2008.02.19 16:09:00 - [60] Originally by: Wu Jiun Originally by: Dimitry Kalashnikov Edit: And yes erasing the employment history has been proposed in this thread. Lol, thats my sig Ouch. Ok, i firmly apologize. For me it looked like you were throwing insults at me although i just meant to comment on some of the ideas raised here (not by you specifically though). Thats the intention of the sig. I mean wow, are you just dumb or something?

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