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Axelay
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Posted - 2003.06.12 06:20:00 -
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It's about time that some of us were killed.
Granted those that fell had mining lasers.. but at any rate.
Congratulation OMEGA CORP on your victory today.
It is nice to have a worthy opponent for a change.
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m0o
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Molly
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Posted - 2003.06.12 06:24:00 -
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*gaping*
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"Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so?
Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor?
Molly > lol
Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships" |
Tool
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Posted - 2003.06.12 06:32:00 -
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Good chit O-Corp. Keep killin'em :D
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Axelay
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Posted - 2003.06.12 06:38:00 -
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What?
You aren't outraged at Omega corps 'exploits' or 'bug abuse'?
Odd...
This is the point I've made all along, this equipment is available to EVERYONE. Our defeat shows how true this is and how fair the system is.
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m0o
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k33l3m
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Posted - 2003.06.12 06:42:00 -
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bad lag and bad timing
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Axelay
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Posted - 2003.06.12 06:45:00 -
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But perfectly legit, and fair.
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m0o
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Tristan
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Posted - 2003.06.12 06:48:00 -
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bad lag and bad timing
At least Axelay had the grace to accept you had your ass handed to you on your behalf k33l33m Do0d0r.
And Props to the OC navy ;)
Btw.. when that setup gets nerfed, and the docking, undocking thing gets fixed Axelay, you wont be so lucky yourself in future.
Those hit squads will keep coming, and getting bigger. And when you run out of exploits and loop holes to use, your all going to suffer the wrath of the people you have annoyed so much over the past month.
If it wasnt for undocking and redocking over and over, you yourself would have been dead the other day.
K33l33m, just accept the fact you had it handed to you and quit with the excuses.
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Axelay
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Posted - 2003.06.12 07:02:00 -
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If I were not able to dock/undock I would have found other means of escape.
I certainly wouldn't call that an exploit, as many times as I have seen folks dock to hide and undock, I've never called it an 'exploit'.
You guys are understandably upset about the fact that you lost 15-20 cruisers to 4 of us, but I must request that you please not miss the point here. Everyone has an equal oppourtunity to succeed under the current system, no drastic changes are needed to 'balance' things.
We in m0o live for combat, and understand that sometimes you are the bug, and sometimes you are the windshield.
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m0o
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Damon Vile
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Posted - 2003.06.12 07:07:00 -
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How long did the shooting last?
I'm not talking about the running around trying to find each other. How long from the time they targeted you to the time you where in your pod? If it was under 10 seconds then yes combat needs to be changed.
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Shintai
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Posted - 2003.06.12 07:07:00 -
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Equality, if one can, more can. :)
Still working abit to have surplus for some major PvP ;)
Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry |
j0rt
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Posted - 2003.06.12 07:09:00 -
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Im not sure the docking thing will ever become that apprent in game. Perhaps the station guns will start to fire at players with negative security, but that isnt much of a bigge as long as your in a cruiser or higher. I personally welcome the challenge of people coming for us and cant wait to get into some big fights and possibly get our asses kicked. I wish people would stop clinging on to this exploit thing. It seems to me that people better than you at something tristan will allways have an applicable excuse to clear your concience of the fact that sometimes your not the best at everything. Nerfing weapons will not help this game in my opinion and just to clarify our setups are all different so there will allways be something that works well. Battleships are here... let the goodtimes roll :)
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Nyarlathotep
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Posted - 2003.06.12 07:23:00 -
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Thats the spirit = )
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Axelay
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Posted - 2003.06.12 07:26:00 -
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Yup :)
This should be a good time for all.
The people we have been slaughtering will be happy that we finally lost some ships.
And we are happy that there is finally some worthy opponents out there to defend against.
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m0o
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Specter
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Posted - 2003.06.12 07:44:00 -
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Thanks for the kind words. Large scale conflicts will indeed be interesting to say the least.
I do look forward to CCP lowering weapon damage as I have suggested since phase 4. I want to see longer engagements where tactics and other forms of combat (electronic for example) actually have a chance to happen. In tonights fight (as was asked) the time from lock to cruiser destruction was around 2 seconds or so. That is far to quick and robs much of the fun from combat... at least for me.
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Captain Bluebear
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Posted - 2003.06.12 09:42:00 -
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Ah, EVE is evolving. Can't wait for the first major Corp War...
ps. can somebody please fix the font size on posting with quotes...
Edited by: Captain Bluebear on 12/06/2003 09:42:38
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Captain Bluebear
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Axelay
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Posted - 2003.06.12 11:12:00 -
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If you had a minmatar ship with a rare sensor booster that does ~60% reduced targetting time you _MIGHT_ be able to target a ship in 2 seconds.
But to target and destroy a ship in 2 seconds? That sounds quite peculiar. It takes me 6-8 seconds to destroy a newbie frigate. (if you count lock on time.)
But whatever :) Good show man.
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m0o
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Shintai
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Posted - 2003.06.12 11:23:00 -
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Axeley..just for fun..how long are you approx to destroy a thorax/moa/maller etc. If you don¦t count targetlock too. I know I need about 10sec on a basic cruiser and 25-30sec on a topline cruiser.
Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry |
syndic4te
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Posted - 2003.06.12 11:24:00 -
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BAH! exploits... thats freakin BS! aha sorry but its true. there are ways to use weapons in a certain way to increase their power, and evidently mOo has found a good way, but thats not a exploit. Its like diablo... See i use Raven Frost Rings to better my attack dmg is that a exploit? umm No. so cut this exploit Bs. seriously
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Axelay
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Posted - 2003.06.12 11:33:00 -
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Well, moas and thorax's take between 30-45 seconds depending on if they use a shield booster or not.
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m0o
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.06.12 11:35:00 -
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Just for the record, I don't consider the weapons thing an exploit. If I could find those setups, I would have no issues with using them.
What I don't agree with is that docking recharges your shield and cap, and that to repair 90% of a ships hull take 10 seconds, when it takes 3 days to make the ship in the first place.
I'm glad to see someone is taking m0o's advice and fighting back though. Who knows, when I can afford to replace myself, I might even join in too.
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XeQtR
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Posted - 2003.06.12 11:39:00 -
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30-45 seconds? Seems they should be able to get away in that time. Or are the ones getting blown up by you generally the ones who fight back?
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Callas
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Posted - 2003.06.12 11:45:00 -
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[fighting near to stations, docking to escape combat]
> I certainly wouldn't call that an exploit, as
> many times as I have seen folks dock to hide
> and undock, I've never called it an 'exploit'.
An exploit is where the game exhibits behaviour which was not intended by the developers but which provides significant advantages to players; e.g. ark ninja mining.
I am certain the devs did not intend for people to fight in proximity to stations and dock when-ever they get low on armour to perform instant repairs and then return to battle.
If this were so, battles would be ridiculous; the attacking side would MWD to the proximity of the station to be able to dock at need, and then each side would endlessly dock, emerge, fight, dock, emerge, fight, etc.
As such I regard this behaviour as an exploit, since it is behaviour in the game which was not intended by the developers but which provides a significant advantage to the players performing the action.
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Shintai
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Posted - 2003.06.12 11:48:00 -
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XeQtR: Maybe warp disrupter and stasis field kicks in there ;p
Abstraction and Transcendence: Nature, Shintai, and Geometry |
XeQtR
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Posted - 2003.06.12 11:50:00 -
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yeah probably. :)
I need my mwd's NOW. (Well I have them but the necessary skills wont be ready for another day.)
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syndic4te
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Posted - 2003.06.12 11:53:00 -
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same here
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Shock
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Posted - 2003.06.12 12:02:00 -
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Granted those that fell had mining lasers.. but at any rate.
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What?
You aren't outraged at Omega corps 'exploits' or 'bug abuse'?
You said people with miners and it doesn't take the infamous laser+stamped heatsinks to kill miners...
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The people we have been slaughtering will be happy that we finally lost some ships.
Yeah right as if you guys even care the slightest about losing some cruisers anymore. The current prices of clones are a joke and you guys have the same access to equipment like ships for the same prices as others. Seems like you gave the word 'pirate' a whole new meaning.
Become rich, become famous, kill people and get away with it because the empires and CONCORD don't care the slightest, nor do the people that sell high-grade military equipment like Moa blueprints or top-level clones.
Sounds like a fairytale, sadly though it's reality (well sorta).
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Demangel
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Posted - 2003.06.12 12:41:00 -
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It shouldn't take 30-40 seconds to kill ANYTHING one on one ideally if both ships are of the same basic class (frigate Vs frigate, cruiser vs cruiser for example).
That doesn't mean M0o Exploited either. But I have heardrumors that the way they probably get such high damage also wasn't intended... (not an exploit, more of a design glitch).
Right now you can try an experiment. go grab a rifter, and drop 3 250MM Arty projectile cannons into it's turret slots. Next grab ( think 2) lateral gyrostabilizers, and a ton of EM and Titanium sabbot s rounds (think thats the projectile name, as hybrid has a similar type).
If your relevant skills are 3+ and your in a Rifter, I PROMISE that you will see EACH GUN do around 40-70 Damage PER SHOT ON AVERAGE Depending on the targets resistances! times 3 guns? thats 120-210 Damage EVERY 2-4 SECONDS. Thats enough to almost completely Knock out my shield in one pass! That just CANNOT be right.
Now apply the same kind of module boosting to a cruiser...
Say you have the Cruiser equivalent of the 250MM Arty cannon, and up to 5 low slots each with a Lateral Gyro? I don't find it hard in the least to beleive that M0o can do 10K damage in ten seconds at ALL.
See the problem is I don't think Damage boosting modules where meant to be stackable (or so I heard once on good authority). Personaly if that IS how CCP intended for them to work, I'm a bit disapointed.
Defensive modules even when stacked arn't anywhere NEAR that effective...
The end result is, even without stacked boosting modules, one on one equal ship combat takes WAY to short a time. In my mind when all things are equal regardless of the ships size two equal ships should take at LEAST 2 minutes or more to destroy one another. 30-50 seconds is lame... there is no challenge, no room for tactics, heck your capacitor won't even have a chance to run out and effect the battle because by the time it does, your dead anyway LOL.
Oh well... Thats my 2ISK
Galaxion > If you drove a car shaped like a thorax women would call you
Demangel > Dude... I would call..
Demangel > wait that sounded g@y I bet.
Galaxion > Just a bit.
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Specter
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Posted - 2003.06.12 14:08:00 -
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We concentrate fire on a vessel to eliminate it from battle fast so 2 secs from time of lock is about right when you have multiple cruisers wailing away on you. It would be foolish for your military to randomly pick targets and spread your damage out over multiple targets.
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Torval Sontu
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Posted - 2003.06.12 14:45:00 -
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Basically to put it bluntly some m0o guys got owned with miners on by a large corp that is respected highly in game. M0o if I am not mistaken has done the same thing oh well who cares.
I don't see Omega posting a thread about you guys dying and I don't know why you felt the need to post as well.
Perhaps a mod can lock this thread as it is pointless and is from a corp that isn't as respected in the community?
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Callas
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Posted - 2003.06.12 14:52:00 -
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Perhaps a mod can lock this thread as it is pointless and is from a corp that isn't as respected in the community?
I don't think much of the idea that "the community" can cause the threads of a corp which is "not respected by the community" to be locked.
This is the suppression of free speech; we would only be able to post according to whatever it happens to be that the majority think is acceptable.
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