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Plutonian
Plutonian Shore
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Posted - 2008.02.18 07:58:00 -
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Dragonfly Light Freighter
Intrigued by the discussion on mini-freighters (and always looking for an excuse to build yet-another-starship-model), I decided to try my hand at a Gallente light freighter.
The model is not yet textured; I'm currently adding details to the geometry. And several areas are yet to be filled in; those big smooth blank areas will be getting some attention this week. 
Dragonfly Freighter (in progress)
Dragonfly Freighter Side Profile (in progress)
Dragonfly Forward Detail View (in progress)
Comments and critiques welcome. Will update the thread as I progress.
Cheers!
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Mystic5hadow
Caldari
Knights of Minas Tirith
The Immortality Project
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Posted - 2008.02.18 08:02:00 -
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Looks great so far, can't wait to see the finished result.
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Victor Valka
Caldari
Kissaki Corporation
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Posted - 2008.02.18 08:04:00 -
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 Originally by: Plutonian
Dragonfly Light Freighter
Intrigued by the discussion on mini-freighters (and always looking for an excuse to build yet-another-starship-model), I decided to try my hand at a Gallente light freighter.
The model is not yet textured; I'm currently adding details to the geometry. And several areas are yet to be filled in; those big smooth blank areas will be getting some attention this week.
Dragonfly Freighter (in progress)
Dragonfly Freighter Side Profile (in progress)
Dragonfly Forward Detail View (in progress)
Comments and critiques welcome. Will update the thread as I progress.
Cheers!
I approve.
(I see what you did there. Yes, I too think that Gallente shuttle is the best looking ship in the game.)
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Deadly Addiction
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Posted - 2008.02.18 08:05:00 -
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Its a dragon fly a caldari fighter used by carriers
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umop 3pisdn
Minmatar
Fnck the blob.
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Posted - 2008.02.18 08:09:00 -
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Name taken unfortunately, though its only caldari, so we can just kill them and take it
Very cool, a big exequror would be pretty sweet.
Man I wish they would kill off the exequror...
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Plutonian
Plutonian Shore
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Posted - 2008.02.18 08:11:00 -
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Edited by: Plutonian on 18/02/2008 08:13:13
Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
Its a dragon fly a caldari fighter used by carriers
Crap.
You're right... that name is certainly taken.
Figures. 
Hmmm.... what's dragonfly in French? Libellule?
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Victor Valka
Caldari
Kissaki Corporation
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Posted - 2008.02.18 08:22:00 -
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Originally by: Plutonian
Edited by: Plutonian on 18/02/2008 08:13:13
Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
Its a dragon fly a caldari fighter used by carriers
Crap.
You're right... that name is certainly taken.
Figures.
Hmmm.... what's dragonfly in French? Libellule?
No can't do, dear.
You gotta keep consistent with Gallente naming scheme which means you have to pick a name out of Greek mythology. Chop chop!
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Deadly Addiction
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Posted - 2008.02.18 08:27:00 -
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Originally by: Victor Valka
No can't do, dear.
You gotta keep consistent with Gallente naming scheme which means you have to pick a name out of Greek mythology. Chop chop!
Thorax is not a greek god
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Victor Valka
Caldari
Kissaki Corporation
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Posted - 2008.02.18 08:30:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
Originally by: Victor Valka
No can't do, dear.
You gotta keep consistent with Gallente naming scheme which means you have to pick a name out of Greek mythology. Chop chop!
Thorax is not a greek god
I MIND YOU!
(Sorry. WoW related joke on EVE forums. I'll go sit in the corner now.)
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Alski
Gallente
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.18 08:38:00 -
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Edited by: Alski on 18/02/2008 08:42:36
Originally by: Victor Valka
Originally by: Plutonian
Edited by: Plutonian on 18/02/2008 08:13:13
Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
Its a dragon fly a caldari fighter used by carriers
Crap.
You're right... that name is certainly taken.
Figures.
Hmmm.... what's dragonfly in French? Libellule?
No can't do, dear.
You gotta keep consistent with Gallente naming scheme which means you have to pick a name out of Greek mythology. Chop chop!
Should probaley rename the Obelisk as well then, since the Charon's name is more fitting for gallente, and doesent fit the Caldari nameing scheme at all.
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Victor Valka
Caldari
Kissaki Corporation
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Posted - 2008.02.18 08:42:00 -
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Originally by: Alski
Originally by: Victor Valka
Originally by: Plutonian
Edited by: Plutonian on 18/02/2008 08:13:13
Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
Its a dragon fly a caldari fighter used by carriers
Crap.
You're right... that name is certainly taken.
Figures.
Hmmm.... what's dragonfly in French? Libellule?
No can't do, dear.
You gotta keep consistent with Gallente naming scheme which means you have to pick a name out of Greek mythology. Chop chop!
Should probaley rename the Obelisk as well then, since the Charon's name is more fitting for gallente, and doesent fit the Caldari nameing scheme at all.
Fine. Whatever!
It's open season, folks! Lets all punch holes in Vic's argument that has about as much integrity as a wet paper bag!
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Jonus Rath
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.02.18 08:43:00 -
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Lovely ship that is!
I could imagine it better as planetary flight specced freighter because of it's huge engines and winged like design.
I'd love to fly one of these :)
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ArmaggedonPSA
Minmatar
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.02.18 08:52:00 -
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I fully approve
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Vitrael
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.02.18 08:55:00 -
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Originally by: Plutonian
Edited by: Plutonian on 18/02/2008 08:13:13
Hmmm.... what's dragonfly in French? Libellule?
Keep in mind the Gallente naming convention is using names of gods.
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Deadly Addiction
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Posted - 2008.02.18 08:59:00 -
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Originally by: Vitrael
Originally by: Plutonian
Edited by: Plutonian on 18/02/2008 08:13:13
Hmmm.... what's dragonfly in French? Libellule?
Keep in mind the Gallente naming convention is using names of gods.
Thorax the greek god of insect midsections?
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Ppffffft
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Posted - 2008.02.18 08:59:00 -
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It looks like the galaxy transport ship from Planetside
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Bodwad
Gallente
British Federation
Sleepless Knights Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.18 09:35:00 -
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Cool model, would be nice to see some more small transport ships
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Phoenicia
Black Sea Industries
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.02.18 09:43:00 -
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They use names of *obscure* Gods btw. No "Jehova", "Zeus" or "Allah" will ever make it into the game. Well, Zeus might... But nothing too current.
How about Heracles? "Can carry lots of weight"...
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Tajidan
Mortis Angelus
The Church.
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Posted - 2008.02.18 10:28:00 -
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Atlas
everything said
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Roy Batty68
Caldari
Immortal Dead
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Posted - 2008.02.18 10:38:00 -
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Naming issues aside, that's a pretty cool looking ship.
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Nova Fox
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Posted - 2008.02.18 11:06:00 -
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You should have told them about the kitsune (and the fact they mutilated the fox into a snake), its still whorshipped today by buddist in japan.
other than that good work better than some of the work I've procured fan wise and your seeming better with curves than the current modeler I hired with isk.
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Sopha Serpentia
Core Dynamics
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Posted - 2008.02.18 11:36:00 -
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Its too symmetrical and un-eve like.
I'd stick the side engines closer to the body and distort them so the look more organic and maybe stick the third "mini" engine on the right engine housing just cause.
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Zaphod Jones
Minmatar
Quam Singulari
The Church.
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Posted - 2008.02.18 13:28:00 -
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for all your ship naming needs
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Plutonian
Plutonian Shore
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Posted - 2008.02.18 17:08:00 -
[24]
Thank you for the comments everyone.
Originally by: Sopha Serpentia
Its too symmetrical and un-eve like.
You're right, way too symmetrical for the artsy Gallente. I'll add in some changes this week. (Modelers are soooo lazy... always wanting to mirror geometry to save time. )
Originally by: Ppffffft
It looks like the galaxy transport ship from Planetside
I'd never played Planetside, and just did a search for the Galaxy transport. From the top it does resemble the craft (that's what I get for using the basic 'aeroplane' design), but when the model is completed it should look very different from the Galaxy. Sopha's changes will go a long way in that direction.
Interesting note: The forward 'wings' are actually cargo holds, much like those seen on the Obelisk. But judging from the replies, many seem to think they're large engines. I'll have to find a way to differentiate the two.
Thanks again for the replies everyone. Think you guys could come up with a new name for the ship? I like Atlas. Any more ideas?
All feedback is greatly appreciated.
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Zaphod Jones
Minmatar
Quam Singulari
The Church.
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Posted - 2008.02.18 18:11:00 -
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Atlas should have been used as one of the original freighters, as a mini freighter I would suggest Hebe.
See my previous post for god/dess name lookup.
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Dictum Factum
Gemini Sun
The Reckoning.
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Posted - 2008.02.18 19:11:00 -
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Very nice looking base model. It would be nice to see it in the game, along with the functionality it offers. I have wondered why there is no mid-sized hauler in this game. It seems a little odd that your options for hauling volumes are either a suitcase or the entire planet.
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Tajidan
Mortis Angelus
The Church.
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Posted - 2008.02.18 19:25:00 -
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Originally by: Zaphod Jones
Atlas should have been used as one of the original freighters, as a mini freighter I would suggest Hebe.
See my previous post for god/dess name lookup.
i agree, obelisk as atlas and charon as obelisk. would be much more inline especially with caldari and their onyx and golem.
new proposal for the light transport here, Hermes
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000Hunter000
Gallente
Missiles 'R' Us
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Posted - 2008.02.18 19:33:00 -
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Pegasus! (it's a horse that flies and horses are pack animals )
Bout friggin time that ccp released something intermediate between the biggest hauler and the freighter impo, something that cost like 100 to 200 mill and can carry roughly 100k base load, and have some slots, for the rest it can be as fragile (and gankable) as any of the other transports/haulers.
Just make it need hauler at L5 and introduce a new skill (racial cargoship skill or whatever) adds 5% more room per level and 5% speed/agility/whatever per level. Have slot layout of 1/2/4 for gallente and mebbe roughly the shield/armor/hull stats of a BC and the sig of a BS.
CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!!
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Plutonian
Plutonian Shore
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Posted - 2008.02.19 05:53:00 -
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Experimented with several configurations which were highly unsymmetrical... and ugly to boot. Didn't like a one of them. There is a fine line between 'unsymmetrical' and 'unbalanced'. I finally decided to restrict the non-symmetrical elements to secondary geometry (the Dominix and Vexor are good examples; minor hull items are different from side to side, but overall the outline is fairly balanced).
Rear View - Breaking the Model's Symmetry
As you can see, the rear and undersides of the model are currently devoid of any detail.
Spent more time tonight researching ship names than actually working the model. Researched all the Gallente ship names to get an idea of the pattern (as wandering as it is). Leaning towards one of the following names:
Atlas - a titan.
Notus - the south wind in Greek mythology.
Iris - messenger of the gods.
Argus - multiple sources.
Crius - a titan.
Not much of an update, and will hopefully accomplish more tomorrow.
Cheers!
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Phoenicia
Black Sea Industries
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.02.19 06:30:00 -
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Originally by: Plutonian
There is a fine line between 'unsymmetrical' and 'unbalanced'.
See also: Blackbird.
I'd have to say Argus is more something for a cov ops/scout ship... Atlas and Heracles still have my preference.
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Khandara Seraphim
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Posted - 2008.02.19 07:05:00 -
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that ship is a Galaxy straight out of planetside.
not that anyone actually plays that game, but i'm positive thats what they looked like when I beta tested it.
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Thuul'Khalat
Gallente
Phoenix Wing
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Posted - 2008.02.19 07:41:00 -
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Edited by: Thuul''Khalat on 19/02/2008 07:41:38
Originally by: Phoenicia
Originally by: Plutonian
There is a fine line between 'unsymmetrical' and 'unbalanced'.
See also: Blackbird.
For further reference: Moa
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Thuul'Khalat
Gallente
Phoenix Wing
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Posted - 2008.02.19 07:43:00 -
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Originally by: Khandara Seraphim
that ship is a Galaxy straight out of planetside.
not that anyone actually plays that game, but i'm positive thats what they looked like when I beta tested it.
I'd say it's not even close...
Galaxy
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Plutonian
Plutonian Shore
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Posted - 2008.02.19 08:28:00 -
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Originally by: Thuul'Khalat
Originally by: Khandara Seraphim
that ship is a Galaxy straight out of planetside.
not that anyone actually plays that game, but i'm positive thats what they looked like when I beta tested it.
I'd say it's not even close...
Galaxy
And that Galaxy pic looks similar (to me at least) to the Dreadnaught Corvette. These are all variations on a theme which has been reproduced hundreds of times, and have their root in modern aircraft. One of the reasons I love the Homeworld and Eve ship-types; they do manage to break out of the 'airplane in space' rut.
When I began the model, I was attempting to evoke the features of a dragonfly. If you remove the rear engine module, it comes fairly close. But it felt very unbalanced, and I ended up adding the rear engine module to balance out the front. With that move, I ended up in 'aeroplane-in-space-land'. Sometimes, try as you might, you just can't stay away. 
Originally by: Phoenicia
Originally by: Plutonian
There is a fine line between 'unsymmetrical' and 'unbalanced'.
See also: Blackbird.
LOL'ed at this.
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Phoenicia
Black Sea Industries
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.02.19 08:34:00 -
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I can see the Galaxy-dropship reference if I interpret the two large modules on either side as engines, but I'm inclined to see them as cargo holds.
Will they have exhaust trails or will they be rounded at the end to confirm my inclination?
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Plutonian
Plutonian Shore
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Posted - 2008.02.19 08:45:00 -
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Originally by: Phoenicia
I can see the Galaxy-dropship reference if I interpret the two large modules on either side as engines, but I'm inclined to see them as cargo holds.
Will they have exhaust trails or will they be rounded at the end to confirm my inclination?
Rounded... with lots of detail and thing-a-ma-jiggies. I just haven't progressed that far. I've also considered dropping the maneuvering thrusters (seen in the rear-view pic) just to prevent such confusion.
(Gah! Almost 4am and work in five hours. One of these days my hobbies are gonna kill me.  )
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Scrutt5
Snuff inc
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Posted - 2008.02.19 09:37:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
Originally by: Vitrael
Originally by: Plutonian
Edited by: Plutonian on 18/02/2008 08:13:13
Hmmm.... what's dragonfly in French? Libellule?
Keep in mind the Gallente naming convention is using names of gods.
Thorax the greek god of insect midsections?
Someone needs to tell Marcus he's not even remotly funny.
Amazing work on the ship, cant wait to see the progression.
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Alan Bell
Gallente
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.02.19 09:44:00 -
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Kind of reminds me of the defiant class with parts cut out on sides.
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Zaerlorth Maelkor
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Posted - 2008.02.19 10:30:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Sopha Serpentia
Its too symmetrical and un-eve like.
I'd stick the side engines closer to the body and distort them so the look more organic and maybe stick the third "mini" engine on the right engine housing just cause.
I don't think they are huge engines. I think this is where the freight is to be stored? This is a freighter, remember?
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Plutonian
Plutonian Shore
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Posted - 2008.02.21 06:08:00 -
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Just a quick update:
Didn't have a great deal of time tonight (work/family/new puppy/etc.), so I focused on building the surface geometry over the head of the ship. Next will be extending the detailing over the rest of the ship.
Model Progress
warning...big pic (1.27 MB) Those still on dial-up run for your lives.
Cheers!
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Varrakk
Phantom Squad
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.02.21 10:21:00 -
[41]
This looks very nice. And its a much needed ship-class
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Daan Sai
HAZCON Inc
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Posted - 2008.02.21 10:37:00 -
[42]
Nice work.
Why not break it away from the empire styles, and make it the first in a series of InterBus improved industrial/haulers - parallel to the ORE miners - available to everyone. You could keep the symmetry then as you have no prior constraints.
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Liara Dex
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Posted - 2008.02.21 12:18:00 -
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Plutonian, I really like how the ship is coming along and it definitely has a distinct "Gallente" look to it.
With regards to modeling, did you box-model a lower polygon count "rougher" image and then meshsmooth by smoothing groups to get the curved look? If not, what method did you use?
Thanks!
-LD
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Heimdall Aus
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Posted - 2008.02.21 12:29:00 -
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Edited by: Heimdall Aus on 21/02/2008 12:35:08
Edited by: Heimdall Aus on 21/02/2008 12:34:24
Edited by: Heimdall Aus on 21/02/2008 12:33:40
Edited by: Heimdall Aus on 21/02/2008 12:29:22
I'm thinking that a light freighter will be one of those "jack of all trades" type ships that get used for everything... Why not give it a name like a real world transport that fits the same niche:
Hercules
Plus it has the added benefit of being a mythological hero / demigod which fits into the naming scheme.
Over-sized engine cowls give this ship the look of something that was made to do some serious work! I for one wouldn't mind seeing a nice symmetrical Gallente ship that doesn't look like a turd or a lopsided booger.
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Cailais
Amarr
VITOC
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Posted - 2008.02.21 12:39:00 -
[45]
Very nice, Id fly it
C.
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Plutonian
Plutonian Shore
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Posted - 2008.02.21 13:19:00 -
[46]
Thank you, everyone, for your kind comments.
Originally by: Daan Sai
Why not break it away from the empire styles, and make it the first in a series of InterBus improved industrial/haulers - parallel to the ORE miners - available to everyone. You could keep the symmetry then as you have no prior constraints.
I'd originally considered making it an ORE ship, simply because from CCP's standpoint, it is far more efficient to introduce one ship into the game than four. And I'd love to see it in-game.
However, the harsh reality is that accepting assets built by fans for use in CCP's professional game can be problematic; I have no access to their graphical pipeline (I'm not even sure what program they use for 3D creation), and so some work would have to be involved just to get the Lightwave model into the correct format for the engine. In addition, developers generally have no legal procedures in place for such a transfer... and if you have to involve the lawyers to build one, then it would have been more efficient to just have your in-house artists build you a ship (that's what they're there for). You avoid the whole Can-O-Worms from the start.
I'd give CCP the finished model for free; I love the thrill of seeing something I've built in-game. In the past I've contributed to several start-up projects and one professional game (Stardock's Gal Civ 2: Dark Avatar). But unless a system already exists where CCP can utilize a player-built asset without suffering any legal risks, I don't think it's going to happen.
So this one is just for fun. And I find the Gallente ship styles interesting, especially since when I began I was doing my 'dragonfly' thing (a style which wouldn't work very well on an ORE ship).
Originally by: Liara Dex
With regards to modeling, did you box-model a lower polygon count "rougher" image and then meshsmooth by smoothing groups to get the curved look? If not, what method did you use?
I began by jumbling 4 plain boxes together (one long for the spine, two for the cargo holds, one for the head). From there I began slicing cuts where needed and manually (point by point, poly by poly) moving things around until I got a pleasing rough shape.
I'm using Lightwave 9.3, so after that I simply hit the subpatch key (sounds like your meshsmooth tool) and then start sculpting the shapes, cutting and beveling where needed to get the required surface geometry.
Originally by: Heimdall Aus
I'm thinking that a light freighter will be one of those "jack of all trades" type ships that get used for everything... so why not give it a name like a real world transport that fits the same niche:
Hercules
Plus it has the added benefit of being a mythological god which fits into the naming scheme.
I'm still indecisive on the name; Atlas and Hercules both are nice IMO, but also fairly mainstream when compared to Thanatos, Nemesis, and other Gallente-ship/greek god names. I had thought I'd get the model completed (or nearly so), and then post a poll.
Let the players of Eve decide the name.
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Kailea Shandrasekkar
COLD-Wing
The Fourth District
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Posted - 2008.02.21 13:26:00 -
[47]
The front view is pure win. Keep up the good work!
As for the name, i suggest Ceres.
Quote from Wikipedia:
'In Roman mythology, Ceres was the goddess of growing plants (particularly cereals) and of motherly love. Her name derives from the Proto-Indo-European root "ker", meaning "to grow", which is also the root for the words "create" and "increase".'
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flashfreaking
LFC
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Posted - 2008.02.21 14:45:00 -
[48]
Looks amazing, if you need help with texturing, I'd love to help :D
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Dracon Zethera
Gallente
Nexus Analytics
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.02.21 14:52:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
Originally by: Victor Valka
No can't do, dear.
You gotta keep consistent with Gallente naming scheme which means you have to pick a name out of Greek mythology. Chop chop!
Thorax is not a greek god
From what I remember none of the Gallente ships are named after Greek Gods. There are some named after titans, heroes, nymphs and other such characters from Greek mythology, but no gods.
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Liara Dex
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Posted - 2008.02.21 18:59:00 -
[50]
In the live art dev blog they mentioned using Maya for all of their 3D modeling. Also, your "jumble" turned out really well, can't wait to see how the finished product will look.
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Plutonian
Plutonian Shore
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Posted - 2008.02.21 19:11:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Liara Dex
In the live art dev blog they mentioned using Maya for all of their 3D modeling.
Thanks. I hate that I missed that blog; that was one I really wanted to hear. Hopefully the recording will be up soon.
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Havohej
The Defias Brotherhood
ANTHRAX DEATH
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Posted - 2008.02.21 19:21:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Phoenicia
They use names of *obscure* Gods btw. No "Jehova", "Zeus" or "Allah" will ever make it into the game. Well, Zeus might... But nothing too current.
How about Heracles? "Can carry lots of weight"...
I'm sorry... I hope they don't kick me out. 
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Deadly Addiction
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Posted - 2008.02.21 19:30:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Dracon Zethera
Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
Originally by: Victor Valka
No can't do, dear.
You gotta keep consistent with Gallente naming scheme which means you have to pick a name out of Greek mythology. Chop chop!
Thorax is not a greek god
From what I remember none of the Gallente ships are named after Greek Gods. There are some named after titans, heroes, nymphs and other such characters from Greek mythology, but no gods.
Thorax isn't any of those either 
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Yargo Metash
Minmatar
Heimatar Services Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.02.21 20:31:00 -
[54]
Edited by: Yargo Metash on 21/02/2008 20:32:06
Awesome ship model Plutonium. I've had dreams about carving out ships (namely, a Thrasher) from big white unmodeled virtual clay.
Your ship definetly looks very Gallente, and perhaps taking the maneuvering thrusters off of the cargo bay's and slapping them either on the main engine housing with a bulbous addition (Ala Thorax or Brutix) or simply make them smaller. They're a little big for maneuvering thrusters compared to the model size.
The small ones are fine, the big ones are too big. Splitting them up into a two-three thruster cluster would help, possibly... Mabye. My minds eye says "Too many thrusters!" then. Hum.
Either way, nice job and looking forward to the finishing touches stage!
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.21 21:46:00 -
[55]
Name wise, I vote for "Barbados", since we don't have any ships named after Caribbean islands yet.
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Saibotek
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Posted - 2008.02.22 04:24:00 -
[56]
Just a Suggestion. The Gallente being French
dragonfly:
dragonfly nf libellule
dragonfly nf demoiselle (Zoologie)
Forums WR : discussions dont le titre comprend le mot "dragonfly".
a dragonfly tangled up
libellue(Dragonfly. I think i didn't spell it right)
Pour poser la question dans les forums
Pour visiter le forum Frantais-Anglais.
French word for Dragonfly
Saves the Caldari and the Gallente and we Both get Dragonflies. Just ours sounds Better!
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Nova Fox
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Posted - 2008.02.22 06:42:00 -
[57]
Looking better but can we get a picture that shows the entire model instead of the close ups you had in your last update?
There is nothing wrong with being even there are several even ships in gallente land which includes 100% of thier industrial ships.
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Phoenicia
Black Sea Industries
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.02.22 09:03:00 -
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Hey hey... Name idea.
Gallente mostly use God-names (or derivates) for ships...
The ship designer is called Plutonian.
Wasn't Pluto a roman version of some greek God?
Wiki'ed:
Pluto is an alternative name for the Greek god Hades, but was more often used in Roman mythology in their presentation of the god of the underworld. He abducted Proserpina (Gr. Persephone), and her mother Ceres (Gr. Demeter) who then caused winter in her grief. Although he is often envisioned today as evil (for his similarities to the Christian Satan) the Romans did not view him as such.
Pluto was originally not the god of the underworld. Pluto is cognate with the Greek word "Ploutos" (wealth, cf. plutocracy), and, under the original name Plutus, was considered by the Romans as the giver of gold, silver, and other subterranean substances.
Now, the underworld thingy is a bit too dark for a 'mere' freighter. So I submit the name "Plutus", meaning wealth. Fitting, yes?
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Zenobite
Soliders Of Eve
The Church.
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Posted - 2008.02.22 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
Originally by: Victor Valka
No can't do, dear.
You gotta keep consistent with Gallente naming scheme which means you have to pick a name out of Greek mythology. Chop chop!
Thorax is not a greek god
THORAX (0e6poú). 1. Of Larissa in Thes-saly, and one of the powerful family of the Aleua-dae. Thorax and his brothers, wishing to confirm or to increase their power, were among those who urged Xerxes to invade Greece, and promised him their assistance in the enterprise. In the Persian king's retreat, after the battle of Salamis, Thorax formed one of his escort, after which he still con¡tinued to show his zeal in the cause of the in¡vaders, and was present with Mardonius at the battle of Plataea, b. c. 479. When the Persians had been finally driven from Greece, Leotychides, king of Sparta, led an army into Thessaly to punish those who had sided with the barbarians, but the Aleuadae purchased his forbearance with bribes. (Herod, vi. 72, vii. 6, ix. 1, 58;) [leotychides, No. 2.] - Looks like they named it after a right git
Back to something on subject - I love the way the ship looks, but I thinks its way to cool to just to be cargo hauler, looks like it would make a nice cruiser or bc.
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Plutonian
Plutonian Shore
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Posted - 2008.02.22 13:05:00 -
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Originally by: Yargo Metash
Your ship definetly looks very Gallente, and perhaps taking the maneuvering thrusters off of the cargo bay's and slapping them either on the main engine housing with a bulbous addition (Ala Thorax or Brutix) or simply make them smaller. They're a little big for maneuvering thrusters compared to the model size.
The small ones are fine, the big ones are too big. Splitting them up into a two-three thruster cluster would help, possibly... Mabye. My minds eye says "Too many thrusters!" then. Hum.
Since I'm not working with sketch references, the model is in a constant state of flux. I look at a plain area and say "Hmmm... what would look cool?"
Unfortunately, what looks good today isn't always as pretty tomorrow morning. So, in the updates, you'll see some objects which change position or disappear entirely as the model progresses. The thrusters are one of those. Currently, they're on the back of the engine module, but may not stay. I'm unsure if I'll keep to the 'traditional' round thruster nozzles or switch to a more modern integrated unit (rear thrusters on Vexor are a good example of a more integrated unit).
Originally by: Nova Fox
Looking better but can we get a picture that shows the entire model instead of the close ups you had in your last update?
Sure, though there's not much detail in other areas. They're rather plain at the moment. Gallente Light Freighter Update 2-22-2008
Originally by: Phoenicia
The ship designer is called Plutonian.
Wasn't Pluto a roman version of some greek God?
I'd considered that, but felt it was a bit prideful to use my own character's name. But since you mentioned it, I'm now free to throw it in the hat with the other names. \o/
Cheers!
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Nova Fox
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Posted - 2008.02.22 13:11:00 -
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Are you going to install a cargo module between the tail section and the two forward holds?
Im also just wondering if you seen my thread on destoryers artwork.
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Phoenicia
Black Sea Industries
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.02.22 13:18:00 -
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Originally by: Plutonian
Originally by: Phoenicia
The ship designer is called Plutonian.
Wasn't Pluto a roman version of some greek God?
I'd considered that, but felt it was a bit prideful to use my own character's name. But since you mentioned it, I'm now free to throw it in the hat with the other names. \o/
Cheers!
I submitted Plutus btw, not Pluto
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Plutonian
Plutonian Shore
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Posted - 2008.02.22 13:26:00 -
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Originally by: Nova Fox
Are you going to install a cargo module between the tail section and the two forward holds?
Im also just wondering if you seen my thread on destoryers artwork.
I don't expect to have another cargo module between the engine module and the main ship... I want to keep the lines more graceful and tapering in that area. But it does need something. Currently it is too delicate and fragile-looking.
I've followed your destroyer artwork thread with interest. Very nice sketches there, and I'm quite envious. My sketching skills have atrophied horribly since taking up modeling.
Link: Nova Fox's Destroyer Sketches
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Tajidan
Mortis Angelus
The Church.
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Posted - 2008.02.22 13:44:00 -
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Edited by: Tajidan on 22/02/2008 13:44:52
Caldari Variant
What bothers me atm a wee bit is that the rear engine module looks similar to the two cargopods on the side. maybe take a look at the Navitas, it has a very elegant end and might be just the thing for yours? another option would be to cross reference between the Iterons and the Obelisk. Maybe it doesnt need a tail at all?
Another good approach would be to not just design it to be "pretty" but to try to do a technical approach. Like, what is this good for, why place the engine so far from its energy core, where is the energy core best placed, where does it load/unload its goods, how should they be unloaded/loaded, will it be armored or more of a nanofreighter, etc.. i think if you ask yourself all those questions you gonna get a pretty good vision of what to place where and how it should look, even before you model it. For me this helps me alot, otherwise i'd be on it an tingle around with no end in sight. just my 2 cents
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Louis DelaBlanche
Cosmic Odyssey
Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2008.02.22 13:49:00 -
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thats pretty kewl looking. First thing it reminded me of was the Orca from C&C, just more spacey. nice job
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Shurikane
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Posted - 2008.02.22 14:31:00 -
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If the big one is called the Obelisk, the small one has to be called the Asterisk.
It's only natural.
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Louis DelaBlanche
Cosmic Odyssey
Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2008.02.22 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: Shurikane
If the big one is called the Obelisk, the small one has to be called the Asterisk.
It's only natural.
then the highsec OREbarge could be called dogmatix \o/
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Jessamine
wncc1701ps home
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Posted - 2008.02.22 18:29:00 -
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Lookie, it's Serenity!
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Plutonian
Plutonian Shore
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Posted - 2008.02.22 23:45:00 -
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Originally by: Tajidan
Another good approach would be to not just design it to be "pretty" but to try to do a technical approach. Like, what is this good for, why place the engine so far from its energy core, where is the energy core best placed, where does it load/unload its goods, how should they be unloaded/loaded, will it be armored or more of a nanofreighter, etc.. i think if you ask yourself all those questions you gonna get a pretty good vision of what to place where and how it should look, even before you model it. For me this helps me alot, otherwise i'd be on it an tingle around with no end in sight. just my 2 cents
I've created models in this manner before, and enjoy those 'hard-science' projects far more than the casual ones. It's fun to actually design the spacecraft instead of just focusing upon the visual details. However, it requires a highly technical and well detailed universe to pull it off, or you're stuck making up 'fluff' off the top of your head.
While Eve certainly isn't the softest sci-fi out there, I do not feel it has enough detail to create a 'realistic' model. For instance, I cannot point to any specific bulge on the Domi and say "that's the shield generator grid" or "that's the Mk1 Hans-Bellings Powerplant". Ships here are designed more for looks than according to any strict subset of rules.
Previously, I created models from the Independence War series (by Particle Systems). With such a highly detailed science underlying the models, I can easily build a new ship type since I know what it will require; a specific thrust-to-mass ratio (which determines the rear thruster size and configuration), the required agility determined placement and number of maneuvering thrusters, which determined whether the craft would utilize fixed weapons or turrets, and so on.
But Eve, to my knowledge, lacks those hard technical details.
Originally by: Tajidan
What bothers me atm a wee bit is that the rear engine module looks similar to the two cargopods on the side. maybe take a look at the Navitas, it has a very elegant end and might be just the thing for yours? another option would be to cross reference between the Iterons and the Obelisk. Maybe it doesnt need a tail at all?
I must admit, I like the engine module the least of any part of the model. It just doesn't feel right. Which is why I'm detailing other parts first; sort of letting it stew on the back burner until inspiration arrives. I do believe it needs a tail of some sort, not to mention some fairly powerful thrusters to control the mass of the ship + full cargo holds.
I love the Navitas (and still own my original one... the first ship I bought in this game), and you're right, it might be an excellent source for inspiration.
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DigitalCommunist
Obsidian Core
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Posted - 2008.02.23 00:14:00 -
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Nice model, but there isn't room for such a ship in EVE. There isn't room for any more classes in general..
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Plutonian
Plutonian Shore
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Posted - 2008.02.23 01:12:00 -
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Originally by: DigitalCommunist
Nice model, but there isn't room for such a ship in EVE. There isn't room for any more classes in general..
Thanks. As mentioned in a previous post; just doing this for fun.
Or rather...
Doing this because a year and half ago, while waiting for my brand new Lightwave 9.0 to arrive, I tried out a 14-day Eve Online trial. As you can imagine, I didn't get much modeling done... and it's time to change that.
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Nova Fox
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Posted - 2008.02.23 03:49:00 -
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Edited by: Nova Fox on 23/02/2008 03:54:25
Oh dont worry about my sketches alot of professionals call it horrible then again I never went to art school like they have. I definetly would love to be able to digitially paint and do low poly 3d modeling to enhance accuracy of my digital paintings for other angles.
About the sensible design of eve ships, Ive drawn plenty of my own ships but when friends asked to try tossing some dice at the eve online ships I started to have to throw some rules out the window and pick a few new ones up.
Even in space there is not atmo or friction there is till overall structure stress and some of these ships still should snap in half or apart pulling some high speed turns. However its eve its a game its a sci fi ill let these things fly.
And as you can see with my destoyers they dont look half bad, so just saying you dont have to stick with being sensible with design however some reasonability between the forward section and tail section is needed.
You dont have too take my suggesionts but im sharing some of my perspectives on what makes gallente style thier unique design theme.
Thier designs are not pure organic per sey but mechanical to accomodate for something organic within. Vexor oreinios thorax hulls clearly show this
Thier trinity designs have more of a knightly style to thier looks with layered plates in various areas this however can be also interpetied as fishlike with gills and the sort. Malus Incursus Vexor Tristan and Megathron
And thier last design aspect seems to be based on what you get when you pour motlen metal into a liquid or around an object thats in that liquid
atron, brutix, dominix, eberus, moros are heavily styled in this manner.
Then there are the hybrid mixups but only the newer ships have this the hyperion and mymidon are 3/4ths knight style and 1/4 blob style.
well thats all i have for now.
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Kuzya Morozov
Gallente
Organized Combat Consortium
Fang Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.23 05:42:00 -
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looks like something from C&C or some other RTS i played...anyway i like it
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Cult of Rawr
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Posted - 2008.02.23 07:10:00 -
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It's hard to say what it'd look like textured, but I think that a tiny bit more detail on the wings could go a long way. Not suprisingly the Galaxy from Planetside had this same issue and it made it look quite bland, especially with the skin it had 
Still it looks quite nice imo. I've tried modelling a few times but I usually just end up getting bored/frustrated with it
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Plutonian
Plutonian Shore
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Posted - 2008.02.23 15:35:00 -
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Originally by: Rawr Cristina
It's hard to say what it'd look like textured, but I think that a tiny bit more detail on the wings could go a long way. Not suprisingly the Galaxy from Planetside had this same issue and it made it look quite bland, especially with the skin it had
Since Gallente ships are so reflective, they pull a great deal of their character from the environment. However, the images in my progress reports are just screen-grabs from Lightwave's Modeler program, which doesn't show reflections. So much of that 'Gallente-charm' is missing in them, but will be present when the texture and reflection maps are applied, and true renders are done.
Most certainly the wings are going to get some lovin'. Here's my current design direction.
Last two nights I've opted for sleep over modeling. (Bad modeler!! Bad! ) But hope to make more progress over the weekend.
Cheers
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Nova Fox
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Posted - 2008.02.23 15:46:00 -
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Hey i havent drawn in two days but take breaks often on fun stuff or it will make you sick of it.
I see your ship is well inspired though I did not use reference pictures though I might me able to get it closer to the styled race with my destroyers. I do have several more additional ship classes i sketched out such as landers and juggernaughts.
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Erim Solfara
Amarr
House of Solfara
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Posted - 2008.02.24 01:03:00 -
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Posting in here to say nice work so far!
And to get it into my recent posts list so I can find it again without needing to bookmark it!
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Siddy
Minmatar
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.02.24 01:11:00 -
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Rather classic traditional balanced design.
Nothing wrong in general, has lots of influence from many popular scifi crafts but its not EVEish.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Cult of Rawr
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Posted - 2008.02.24 02:51:00 -
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Bah this is making me want to attempt to model again Curse you!
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Plutonian
Plutonian Shore
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Posted - 2008.02.27 05:52:00 -
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Quick status update: still here, and still working on the model... but headed in a new direction.
I'd played around with the new tail section, as suggested using the Navitas as a source, and eventually ended up with this. Ironically, right back where I began with the dragonfly.
Making a ship which resembles a dragonfly is neat (if one does not go overboard; spaceship always takes precedence over animal). But, as others have pointed out, not really 'Eve-ish'. A bit too whimsical for this game.
I've decided to put this design aside for the time being. I'm building a new version which is pure Gallente from the start... and more suited for the Eve universe. Updates as progress occurs.
Cheers!
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