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SwordofBaffled Amarr No Joy Corp	Posted - 2008.02.19 07:22:00 - [1] Does anyone know of a resource that adequately documents the events of this Great War that has embroiled the south for over a year and a half? I am just looking for a very basic series of events to peak my curiosity. Unfortunately, my memory only stretches back a few months. Ideally, I'd like to see a listing of events starting from BoB's invasion of ASCN to the current time.
Scatim Helicon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.19 08:01:00 - [2] There's a pretty good one on the goonfleet wiki (and surely everyone has access to that by now because lol, spies). That aside, the public histories seem a bit limited - maybe somebody wants to go and update http://eve-history.net/wiki/index.php/New_Eden_War ? -----------
SPQRMocton Minmatar Calmarr Technologies	Posted - 2008.02.19 08:17:00 - [3] Heres a run down for you, BoB started up very early in eve and as soon as they could they started smacking anyone around who would let them Eventually they had smacked enough people around long enough that the smackees were almost as tough as the smackers Now the smackees had enough of being smackees and have turned into the smackers and BoB is the smackee. If you have any questions ask a bob why they have 20 000 enemies maybe they can explain better Fly reckless and take chances..............it's more fun
Lara Renquist Minmatar The Phoenix Confederacy	Posted - 2008.02.19 08:57:00 - [4] I can anwser that question aswell if you really want... let's see BoB is a superpower, superpowers are targetted real fast. So basicly people make a decent move on bob and what happens? Almost entire EvE jumps into the bandawgon cause now everyone suddenly wants a piece of BoB. The sad part is 90% of the people that jumped the bandwagon to fight bob, will easely jump on another if it is time for the swarm to die. Loyalty is hard to get by these day's. Commanding officer Of The Phoenix Confederacy
Witty Moniker Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.19 09:02:00 - [5] It all kind of started with the war against ASCN. Most of the BoB players got pretty tired of not doing anything at that point besides filling their pockets and getting filthy rich. We made an assassment of which alliance would be the biggest threat / strongest at that time, and it was determined that ASCN was the biggest one at that time. We invaded ASCN space, and that entire campaign lasted for a good 3-4 weeks iirc, with the attack on T-PAR being the highlight. During this attack, the first Titan kill ever occured as well. I'm sure theres some battle reports here and there, there might be some on the RKK pbulic boards. After that we had a short break to relocate assests, and prepare for the next campaign. During that period different BoB corps did different things. DICE flew up north and poked around there for a while.Have a look and see how the north is like. Shortly after that we were recalled to assist LV against theirh northern enemies, being RA, goons, UNL, ... Some say that this point can be used as the start of the Southern war really. You'll have to excuse me for not remembering details, as that was over a year ago, but basically, we flew out to Immensea, and fought what would be the later (current) coalition. This led to one of the most epic battles in the history of EVE, with the destruction of the LV cap shipyard, and over 1000 players in a single system. The next lines are my opinion, so this in no way is my corp or alliances' view on things. Imo, LV turned out to be somewhat weaker than expected. Granted they had been at war for some time, and suffered heavy collateral. This campaign to assist LV lasted for a good 2 weeks. We had a couple of epic fights there. ( <3 El Titan for that 6h 'rescue' trip we made just so we could get out 5ish friendlies stuck 8j out. Ended up making over 50 jumps with our 40m gang, getting blocked in by 100+ goon gangs pretty much every system we went to.) Rougly during the same period, Iron, Razor and D2 gangs started coming down to our own space, and with the bulk of the fleet in LV space, they didn't meet much resistance. We wrapped things up, and started moving assets back to our own space. With us off somewhere else, the door was basically wide open. DICE stiring things up a month earlier was probaly somewhat of an instigator as well. razor and iron gangs started coming down in to querious on pretty much a daily basis, and set up staging area nearby. I think all you Razor and Iron guys smacking here on the forums need look back a little and try to recall how this worked out for you guys. You got whooped on a pretty much daily basis there. Minimal losses on our side, maximium damage inflicted on your side. Man you guys turned out to be extremely weak and unorganized. During that same period D2 started hauling assets in to Fountain, and started attacking us from that side. Making a 1h 50 jump trip several times a day, to fend off different fleets on both locations was pretty much the normal things to do at this point. D2 forces turned out to be no more of a threat than the Razor and Iron forces we had fought. Unorganized, and rather easy to shoot down. A second Titan was bagged during their attacks, and they were pushed back. I'm not sure what happened there. Too much carebearing made them sloppy, no proper leadership, FCs, ... I can't tell. Maybe one of the old D2 guys can shed some light on that. We at that point hired the MC to go in to D2's space, and see what could be done there, possible take down D2. We provided some support there, but there were plenty of others willing enough to assist MC. This would be where Tri and YouWhat took their shots, and basically layed down the fundation for what they own now. Minus Youwhat, who got whooped a few months later.
Witty Moniker Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.19 09:03:00 - [6] Edited by: Witty Moniker on 19/02/2008 09:03:55 D2 and the other Northern forces were dispatched in a record time and that front seemed to be clear now. At time same time though, the coalition gained support and lots of different Alliances came to their aid. Initially it wasn't looking good for the goons at all. They were badly underskilled both SP wise, and both tactics wise.
Hardin Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.19 09:22:00 - [7] This is a LONG account written from my relatively neutral perspective (also now incorporating some borrowed elements from EVE Tribune in the later sections). It's not perfect as I am neither a Goon or BoB member and yes there are some errors but I think it will give you a general feel of how things have progressed: http://www.totalpcgaming.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=86 You may also be interested in this graphical depiction of the rise (and fall?) of BoB: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0802/RiseFallBoB.JPG ----- Alliance Creation/Corp Expansion Services
Witty Moniker Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.19 09:42:00 - [8] Edited by: Witty Moniker on 19/02/2008 09:47:34 Originally by: Hardin This is a LONG account written from my relatively neutral perspective (also now incorporating some borrowed elements from EVE Tribune in the later sections). It's not perfect as I am neither a Goon or BoB member and yes there are some errors but I think it will give you a general feel of how things have progressed: http://www.totalpcgaming.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=86 You may also be interested in this graphical depiction of the rise (and fall?) of BoB: http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0802/RiseFallBoB.JPG That is a nice fairly accurate write up. You're missing some details on key battles though. The fight in JV1-, were goons tried to knock down a LV cap pos. I think this was the first time ever, a system reached the 1000 players line. Iirc they crashed that system with their first wave, and while all other others (BoB - LV) in there got booted, their second wave entered the system, putting all the defending forces trying to log back in, in to the client's login queue. During this period, the system would crash on a regular basis. If this was done intentionally or not, that I will leave aside. It was always fun logging in and not knowing whether I would be in my ship, in a pod, or in the station. EDIT: I meant to bring this up because it does matter and the following times after that this approach was made, the system was capped at 700.
Valkazm Amarr Knights of Tiberius Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.02.19 09:57:00 - [9] Originally by: Witty Moniker Imo, LV turned out to be somewhat weaker than expected. I think all you Razor and Iron guys smacking here on the forums need look back a little and try to recall how this worked out for you guys. You got whooped on a pretty much daily basis there. Minimal losses on our side, maximium damage inflicted on your side. Man you guys turned out to be extremely weak and unorganized. This kinnda summs up the attitude of BoB and why most people want them to lose there space and destroy them in overall .. It gets tiresome to listen to . ....................................... Signature
Witty Moniker Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.19 10:16:00 - [10] Originally by: Valkazm Originally by: Witty Moniker Imo, LV turned out to be somewhat weaker than expected. I think all you Razor and Iron guys smacking here on the forums need look back a little and try to recall how this worked out for you guys. You got whooped on a pretty much daily basis there. Minimal losses on our side, maximium damage inflicted on your side. Man you guys turned out to be extremely weak and unorganized. This kinnda summs up the attitude of BoB and why most people want them to lose there space and destroy them in overall .. It gets tiresome to listen to . You can call it arrogance or whatever you want really. Point is that these are the facts we were faced with. Also, it is nice of you to drag the things I've said of out context. LV had been at war for some time, and surely this weakened them to some degree. No doubt they were one of the best Alliances out there. I didn't mean to be disrespectful towards the LV guys. They fought hard, but took some heavy punches. As for the Razor / Iron part. There have to be guys in those alliances that remember those fights. You can't deny the fact you guys came down in Battleships every day, and went home in pods a few hours later. And this for a couple of weeks pretty much on a daily basis. These are the facts, and that is what the OP asked for.
Valkazm Amarr Knights of Tiberius Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.02.19 10:24:00 - [11] Thats the thing i didnt have to call it arrogance i simply qouted your own words . But hey keep it up im sure it will go your way . ....................................... Signature
Darkrydar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.19 10:50:00 - [12] Edited by: Darkrydar on 19/02/2008 10:51:19 Originally by: Valkazm Originally by: Witty Moniker Imo, LV turned out to be somewhat weaker than expected. I think all you Razor and Iron guys smacking here on the forums need look back a little and try to recall how this worked out for you guys. You got whooped on a pretty much daily basis there. Minimal losses on our side, maximium damage inflicted on your side. Man you guys turned out to be extremely weak and unorganized. This kinnda summs up the attitude of BoB and why most people want them to lose there space and destroy them in overall .. It gets tiresome to listen to . Thx for pointing out the obvious. Edit: I have to chuckle a little when I see uninvolved players like you say it's tiresome. Protip: don't read bob/goon threads. Please do not post pictures of players in your sig - Mitnal
Xanja 2H Industries	Posted - 2008.02.19 10:59:00 - [13] Originally by: Hardin This is a LONG account written from my relatively neutral perspective (also now incorporating some borrowed elements from EVE Tribune in the later sections). It's not perfect as I am neither a Goon or BoB member and yes there are some errors but I think it will give you a general feel of how things have progressed: http://www.totalpcgaming.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=86 That was quite a good read, Thank you. As has already been mentioned the Goon Wiki is also a very good resource at the moment documenting EVE History. Maybe one day it will be public?
Galor Cracken The first genesis Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2008.02.19 11:01:00 - [14] before the ASCN war the original Southern Coalition (LV, CHIMP, V, KOS and some friends) conquered Red Alliance home region of Cache in an long campain. Only reason why Red Alliance survived was that they used carrier exploits to move tons of POS around and that the coalition failed to kill all POS and cut them of from the static plexes which they run 23/7 (especially the bugged 8/10). When Bob pushed Goons out RA found the meatshield they needed and slowly started to regain ground. KOS then betrayed the coalition and the coalition forces where picked off one by one until even LV fell. If Bob had reacted faster instead of waiting to the last minute to help LV the Swarm (or RSF) might have never been formed. But Bob is not done yet and this war was once called the pendulum war and pendulums swing in 2 directions, so I wouldn't be suprised if the pendulum would swing back again. PS: I haven't been in V at that time but I have been in a diffent alliance fighting with LV in Cache.
vipeer Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2008.02.19 11:02:00 - [15] Witty Moniker please hold to writing about stuff you know about. Seeing as you joined up with DICE at their peak just after the ASCN-BOB war dont pretend you know anything about it because you dont. Everyone knows the titan was killed in C9N which is about 20 jumps away from T-PAR and the war lasted waaaay longer than 3-4 weeks. There were some battles EVE community has become to call them turkey shoots where complete ASCN fleet was wiped out staring at blank screens. In fights where servers did actually work the result was a tie dispite BOB having spies on ASCN TS all the time. The highlight was the battle around T-PAR where CCP failed to deliver. BOB was so good at their war and so rich they had to call up a mandatory MO on week 4 of the war because quite a few of their members lost all their ships already. Using 40 Hulks and a couple of Motherships for cover. It was also the filthiest war of them all with BOB using every dirty punch there is. At that time they called themselves the "bad boys of EVE" now they whine about Goons blobbing them. Also remember when RA+Goons attacked LV and BOB came to aid BOB coalition had roughly 3 times the pilots RA+Goons had. Tables are turned now and BOB has 20k players arrayed at them because all BOB allies have either been destroyed or turned on them. So whining about all of EVE is against you is just showing how hypocritical you really are. Thing is BOB had the worst k/d ratio to date while they were fighting with ASCN. Let's not forget the time i solo popped a faction fitted vindicator described below while being pounded by 7 other Bobbits to show how good they really are when the going gets tough. Yea i like to toot my own horn from time to time ;) -------------SIG STARTS HERE------------- Chaining BoBo in south Feyth: Your Neutron Blaster Cannon II perfectly strikes Dukath [EVOL]<BOB>(Vindicator), wrecking for 741.0 damage.
7sunami Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.19 11:14:00 - [16] Edited by: 7sunami on 19/02/2008 11:14:00 You're missing the fight in f-t, the attempt at getting a baby titan which resulted in 50+ caps lost. Where this fit in the timeline?
Witty Moniker Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.19 11:14:00 - [17] Edited by: Witty Moniker on 19/02/2008 11:14:26 I never said this was my only/oldest/whatever character in BoB. It is interesting how all you jump to conclusions. With the ASCN Titan kill I meant that during that general siege, period etc etc the Titan was killed, but meh, why am I bothering trying to explain these kinds of things anyway.
Cippalippus Primus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.19 11:15:00 - [18] Edited by: Cippalippus Primus on 19/02/2008 11:16:35 Witty Moniker's write up wasn't bad, considering the source. One thing that is always downplayed is Razor/Iron's involvement. Those guys are awesome, and I mean awesome. Another alliance that doesn't get enough mad props is TCF. The focus is always on the more vocal forum posters or battlefield dominants, which are Goons (the former) and RA (the latter), but TCF can field a pretty fearsome capital fleet (and they quite often do it), and know how to use it perfectly. -clp
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.19 11:16:00 - [19] Originally by: vipeer Witty Moniker please hold to writing about stuff you know about. Seeing as you joined up with DICE at their peak just after the ASCN-BOB war dont pretend you know anything about it because you dont. Everyone knows the titan was killed in C9N which is about 20 jumps away from T-PAR and the war lasted waaaay longer than 3-4 weeks. There were some battles EVE community has become to call them turkey shoots where complete ASCN fleet was wiped out staring at blank screens. In fights where servers did actually work the result was a tie dispite BOB having spies on ASCN TS all the time. The highlight was the battle around T-PAR where CCP failed to deliver. BOB was so good at their war and so rich they had to call up a mandatory MO on week 4 of the war because quite a few of their members lost all their ships already. Using 40 Hulks and a couple of Motherships for cover. It was also the filthiest war of them all with BOB using every dirty punch there is. At that time they called themselves the "bad boys of EVE" now they whine about Goons blobbing them. Also remember when RA+Goons attacked LV and BOB came to aid BOB coalition had roughly 3 times the pilots RA+Goons had. Tables are turned now and BOB has 20k players arrayed at them because all BOB allies have either been destroyed or turned on them. So whining about all of EVE is against you is just showing how hypocritical you really are. Thing is BOB had the worst k/d ratio to date while they were fighting with ASCN. Let's not forget the time i solo popped a faction fitted vindicator described below while being pounded by 7 other Bobbits to show how good they really are when the going gets tough. Yea i like to toot my own horn from time to time ;) That's exactly how it went down. It is so easy to see why we lost. Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
Witty Moniker Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.19 11:19:00 - [20] Originally by: 7sunami Edited by: 7sunami on 19/02/2008 11:14:00 You're missing the fight in f-t, the attempt at getting a baby titan which resulted in 50+ caps lost. Where this fit in the timeline? That was in March I think. Iirc, we were fighting of UNL, .. etc in Feyth, and Northern Forces in Qeurious.
INZi coracao ardente Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.19 11:22:00 - [21] Originally by: Witty Moniker You can call it arrogance or whatever you want really. Point is that these are the facts we were faced with. .. These are the facts, and that is what the OP asked for. these are YOUR facts, and apperently NOT his. seperate your so called 'facts'. MY facts are that BoB where ignorant pvpers treating everyone around em like garbage and now, at what could be the end, they get what people think they deserve. _
thoth foc Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2008.02.19 11:22:00 - [22] Originally by: Cippalippus Primus One thing that is always downplayed is Razor/Iron's involvement. Those guys are awesome, and I mean awesome. Another alliance that doesn't get enough mad props is TCF. The focus is always on the more vocal forum posters or battlefield dominants, which are Goons (the former) and RA (the latter), but TCF can field a pretty fearsome capital fleet (and they quite often do it), and know how to use it perfectly. In fairness we can only report what we see on the field, if Iron/Razor/TCF do alot more work behind the scene it's really your job to report it.. _________________________ xMenta (DSMA) xBOS (CA) ATUK (.5.) DICE (BOB) xElcyion Lacar
Witty Moniker Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.19 11:26:00 - [23] Well I wrote it from my point of view obviously. If any of you guys here could write up a decent summary from what happened on your side, instead of tossing the smack around, feel free.
Meirre K'Tun Helios Incorporated Insurgency	Posted - 2008.02.19 11:42:00 - [24] Originally by: Witty Moniker Originally by: 7sunami Edited by: 7sunami on 19/02/2008 11:14:00 You're missing the fight in f-t, the attempt at getting a baby titan which resulted in 50+ caps lost. Where this fit in the timeline? That was in March I think. Iirc, we were fighting of UNL, .. etc in Feyth, and Northern Forces in Qeurious. end of march me thinks. I think I remember molle saying that a titan was killed in the pos, but he posted that on april 1. :D I was very new to the game then, and I somehow ended up in curse alliance, could somebody tell me what role they played etc? All I know is that i still have some stuff in 1v from that time, but i don't really know what we did there :D
7sunami Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.19 11:51:00 - [25] Hardin, nice write up, but you're missing the events during January 2008, when the first wave into Delve started. Goons invading Qy6 at the time with no Poses in system. Smash and co in Y-2ano, Tortuga in Tpar, and Razor and co at our remaining Querious staiton The 2nd wave, started around 27-28th January, which resulted in BOB losing Qy6, Tpar, Y-2ano and the last station in Querious
Baxalusx GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.19 11:59:00 - [26] Originally by: Witty Moniker stuff You obviously weren't there, or you would have known the only reason BoB made any progress originally was because they they had a developer for a capfleet commander and were well informed as to the real potential of Titans (in particular the DD), while every other alliance had to guess (and guessed wrong, with the notable exception of ASCN and D2, who mostly started their projects for the same reasons one builds an outpost rather than military application, anyway). The fact that you didn't once mention BoB's Titans in your description of the War is telling of your cognitive dissonance, and the fact that you went to great length to explain BoB's victorious period while omitting the last half year entirely is denial bordering on delusion. --------- ~THE ARTIST FORMERLY KNOWN AS ICORION~
Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.19 12:01:00 - [27] Edited by: Darcuese on 19/02/2008 12:05:14 Originally by: vipeer Bob and Dice are evil bunch of something Can you sum your post with some facts of your own regarding the events history and not your personal emotions and tears? Originally by: Valkazm Originally by: Witty Moniker Imo, LV turned out to be somewhat weaker than expected. I think all you Razor and Iron guys smacking here on the forums need look back a little and try to recall how this worked out for you guys. You got whooped on a pretty much daily basis there. Minimal losses on our side, maximium damage inflicted on your side. Man you guys turned out to be extremely weak and unorganized. This kinnda summs up the attitude of BoB and why most people want them to lose there space and destroy them in overall .. It gets tiresome to listen to . Attitude or not, tell us with your own words why this quote you took isnt truth. Leave your cry me a river emotions out of thread if possible. Originally by: Baxalusx Originally by: Witty Moniker stuff You obviously weren't there,....... The fact that you didn't once mention BoB's Titans in your description of the War is telling of your cognitive dissonance, and the fact that you went to great length to explain BoB's victorious period while omitting the last half year entirely is denial bordering on delusion. I suggest you read his posts again, and maybe you will find titan part. If you wont understand in what context he wrote about titan, then you are one of those that need a-z explanation to understand something. He wrote a big text to sum history from his own view. If he would explain every part of history with more then few lines (such as titan part), then whole page of the thread wouldnt be enough me, myself and I ------>
marakor Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers	Posted - 2008.02.19 12:13:00 - [28] Edited by: marakor on 19/02/2008 12:18:03 Originally by: Baxalusx You obviously weren't there, or you would have known the only reason BoB made any progress originally was because they they had a developer for a capfleet commander and were well informed as to the real potential of Titans (in particular the DD), while every other alliance had to guess (and guessed wrong, with the notable exception of ASCN and D2, who mostly started their projects for the same reasons one builds an outpost rather than military application, anyway). The fact that you didn't once mention BoB's Titans in your description of the War is telling of your cognitive dissonance, and the fact that you went to great length to explain BoB's victorious period while omitting the last half year entirely is denial bordering on delusion. Considering you are taking there space how the **** can you still be so bitter?. Your point about BOB getting told about the titan being a great ship by a dev is not only sad but pitiful considering that ascn had one first from what i remember, so did ascn and d2 have a dev advising them as well?. Oh look you say that BOB built their titan for actual combat but D2 and ASCN built theres cos they are pretty or whatever. OMG you are the most bitter and blinkered troll ive ever read on these forums. HEY LISTEN for ruler of eve.
Tholarim Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.19 12:25:00 - [29] Edited by: Tholarim on 19/02/2008 12:26:22 Originally by: Baxalusx Originally by: Witty Moniker stuff You obviously weren't there, or you would have known the only reason BoB made any progress originally was because they they had a developer for a capfleet commander and were well informed as to the real potential of Titans (in particular the DD), while every other alliance had to guess (and guessed wrong, with the notable exception of ASCN and D2, who mostly started their projects for the same reasons one builds an outpost rather than military application, anyway). The fact that you didn't once mention BoB's Titans in your description of the War is telling of your cognitive dissonance, and the fact that you went to great length to explain BoB's victorious period while omitting the last half year entirely is denial bordering on delusion. you remind me of ascn leadership. They used to make up these fantasies as well. You say someone else who was there is wrong, but yet you offer no proof to backup your claims. t20 never led bob cap fleets, and 99 % of us never even saw the guy and to this date i don;t even know what his char was. Suas made that up to explain why you were losing at that point. Please do not post pictures of players in your sig - Mitnal
Darcuese Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.19 12:29:00 - [30] Thol, please dont cry on forum as rest of us me, myself and I ------>

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