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Tank CEO Caldari Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2008.02.19 08:05:00 - [1] Edited by: Tank CEO on 19/02/2008 08:16:19 I started playing this game in beta 5. When retail came closer and closer, I tried to get everything right with my character. In 2003/2004 I really thought I went the right route. I got high intel/mem. I thought in the beginning that having high attributes in that field would serve me good because I knew I was just going to stay caldari and stay with missiles. Of coarse, that did change in 2004/2005 when I speced to fly the macherial and there were no more missile skills to train. But after 4.5 years, I can honestly say im pretty embarrased at my career/attributes. Im also jealous of my alts attributes whos a achura. She has 28perc/26intel/24will/24mem/7char with LVl 5 skills / +4 implants, where as for me, I have 26in,20perc,20will,29mem,22char with +4s.. And you know whats pathetic is my career. Ts "Industry/Merchandisers/Engineer". IF I woulda know my career would be that, (since they didnt have that display feature in 2003) I woulda so went the other way and I only have 700k SP in Industry! But I did go that way for a reason. In 2003, it was all a rush, a rush to start training skills, a rush to get that head start in eve. I mean I was even ****ed off that I got eve 1 day after the euros did because of the release in US. So I went that route to get I think Electronics 3 or 4. ( I wish i woulda gotten Frigate Lvl 4 right off that back. Another reason I got high intel/memory was for learning skills and engineering. At the time there wasnt hardly any missile skills and there werent many ships at all. So I didnt really think that too far ahead but you know, I didnt think i would stay in this game for almost 5 years when I made my character. So the whole point of this story is, are there any plans to allow veterans to AT LEAST change their career path (which is very doable roleplaying wise, people change careers all the time). At least give us that if you won't allow us to change our initial attribute selection. I think making a character permant for so long shouldnt be. People make mistakes and I for one had to suffer it for 5 years. If you don't have any plans, make them now because careers should be changable at least once in a players life time. I would honestly pay a fee, real or ingame money wise, to allow me to change my initial attributes/career once. You can do something with this and make it possible. ------------- Jita is mine.
Unvisibility	Posted - 2008.02.19 08:20:00 - [2] So, let me get this right. You're a 5-year vet. You already have many advantages over newer players - 10's of millions of SP's more, years of experience, probably huge amounts of ISK. And you want to refine your character more perfectly and have even bigger advantages? Since you returned after your long forum ban you seem to have used your forum access to... run a lottery and now whine that you're not uber enough. Have you done a Jenny Spitfire or something? The Tank CEO I remember used to be cool...
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.02.19 08:28:00 - [3] One Tarminic is quite enought tank you very much. Originally by: MM0RPG EVE Review "if you aren't my friend you are my income."
Slickdrac Minmatar Replicatorz Fang Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.19 08:36:00 - [4] say hi to my 19/15/16/13/25 charactor don't complain, I've seen chars 4 months younger than me with 5 million sp more
Killer Marine	Posted - 2008.02.19 08:38:00 - [5] And for good measure, one of my alts, with 14/26/11/20/14
Judgement Dave	Posted - 2008.02.19 08:40:00 - [6] Guess you should have stayed off the forums after your ban, yet another alomst legendary toon turns out to be a complete plum.
Phoenicia Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.02.19 08:42:00 - [7] If CCP wants to make some big bucks, they'd implement a once-in-a-character's-lifetime respec option, at the lowly price of 30 Euros. I'd hit it.
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Deadly Addiction	Posted - 2008.02.19 08:44:00 - [8] Edited by: Marcus TheMartin on 19/02/2008 08:44:27 Originally by: Zeba One Tarminic is quite enought tank you very much. ¼_¼
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.02.19 08:47:00 - [9] Edited by: Zeba on 19/02/2008 08:47:31 nvm Originally by: MM0RPG EVE Review "if you aren't my friend you are my income."
Tank CEO Caldari Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2008.02.19 08:48:00 - [10] Let any person, who is without complaint, cast the first stone. Yea thats right you bunch of hypocrites. To answer uninvisibilities question : Yes. I would like to refine my character. You act like i should be in debt because I have this huge advantage you say. What huge advantage. All the advantages I have are well deserved and I think the gap between new players/veterans isnt enough. Skill wise, any character in the game can specialize their character in a year or less and be just as deadly. The only benefit of being 5 year old player is variety, being able to fly more ships, enjoying more aspects of the game. And for all those players saying I have it better then you do. Wouldn't it be nice to know that one day in the future you would have a chance to respec your character, at least career wise to better suit your needs? I think everyones answer would be yes. ------------- Jita is mine.

Marcus TheMartin Gallente Deadly Addiction	Posted - 2008.02.19 08:50:00 - [11] Originally by: Jesus Let any person, who is without complaint, cast the first stone. Hows judas doing?
Phoenicia Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.02.19 09:01:00 - [12] Originally by: Tank CEO Let any person, who is without complaint, cast the first AXE HITS THE TOP OF YOUR SKULL. Sorry couldn't resist
Joe Starbreaker Starbreaker Spaceways	Posted - 2008.02.19 09:02:00 - [13] How much did you pay for this toon? If you had actually played the game for more than a day, you'd know there's no such thing as "career" and you just train the skills you want to train. If you aren't satisfied with Tank CEO, sell him and buy another toon that's a better fit.
Phoenicia Black Sea Industries Insurgency	Posted - 2008.02.19 09:08:00 - [14] Originally by: Joe Starbreaker How much did you pay for this toon? If you had actually played the game for more than a day, you'd know there's no such thing as "career" and you just train the skills you want to train. If you aren't satisfied with Tank CEO, sell him and buy another toon that's a better fit. In your rush to flame, you forgot to actually use your intellect. You DO have it, yes? He's talking about the actual 'names' of your chosen path during character creation. I can understand someone not wanting to be labelled a "Miner" when he has 90k in industry and 8 mil in gunnery- even if he's the only one who can see it. Point redistribution would be cool, but should be very restricted (i.e. once per toon per year?). Skill respec would completely change the game and should not happen (although I do love to play with the though).
Cpt Branko Surge. Night's Dawn	Posted - 2008.02.19 09:20:00 - [15] Originally by: Tank CEO So the whole point of this story is, are there any plans to allow veterans to AT LEAST change their career path (which is very doable roleplaying wise, people change careers all the time). At least give us that if you won't allow us to change our initial attribute selection. I think making a character permant for so long shouldnt be. People make mistakes and I for one had to suffer it for 5 years. I'd like this part ;) Particularly if you could change it to what it really is, like write 'Pirate' as mine ;) Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.02.19 09:20:00 - [16] The career path merely represents what you studied whilst training to become a pod pilot, and maybe your experiences prior to that as well. Before my RL current career, I trained in two completely different fields. I can still remember a lot of what I learned, and the qualifications are still on my CV. So no, being able to change your career path is not really very believable. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
Scrutt5 Snuff inc	Posted - 2008.02.19 09:22:00 - [17] Edited by: Scrutt5 on 19/02/2008 09:25:49 Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Edited by: Marcus TheMartin on 19/02/2008 08:44:27 Originally by: Zeba One Tarminic is quite enought tank you very much. ¼_¼ Dude (Marcus TheMartin) I have been reading the forums for a couple of hours this morning. Why do you persistantly post meaningless comments on umpteen threads ? How about the ability to individualy block numbnuts like this ccp so I dont have to constantly read his drivel. Tank, would love the opportunity but cant see it happening.
Shadowsword COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.02.19 09:23:00 - [18] I'd like a way to reduce my charisma a bit, too. When us old players created our characters, there was little outsdie infos on what was really usefull and was wasn't, compared to what you have today, and the game changed quite a bit since then. We didn't know what we were doing when creating our characters, and we'd like a chance to correct things a bit. Make the changes cost 500M, if that's what it takes. ------------------------------------------
Joe Starbreaker Starbreaker Spaceways	Posted - 2008.02.19 10:22:00 - [19] Just re-roll.
Zaerlorth Maelkor	Posted - 2008.02.19 10:36:00 - [20] Originally by: Shadowsword I'd like a way to reduce my charisma a bit, too. When us old players created our characters, there was little outsdie infos on what was really usefull and was wasn't, compared to what you have today, and the game changed quite a bit since then. We didn't know what we were doing when creating our characters, and we'd like a chance to correct things a bit. Make the changes cost 500M, if that's what it takes. You know it. Charisma is my highest attribute

Andrue Amarr Federation Of Space Loonies Culture Shock Initiative	Posted - 2008.02.19 10:57:00 - [21] Originally by: Shadowsword I'd like a way to reduce my charisma a bit, too. When us old players created our characters, there was little outsdie infos on what was really usefull and was wasn't, compared to what you have today, and the game changed quite a bit since then. We didn't know what we were doing when creating our characters, and we'd like a chance to correct things a bit. Make the changes cost 500M, if that's what it takes. Nah. It's like life. You make your choices and you are supposed to deal with the consequences. Whining because things didn't turn out right it just the loser's way. If it gets out of hand it can even make you turn to religion. /me shudders. My perception is a little low which makes training for ships and weaponry a bit on the slow side but it was a deliberate choice. I studied the forums while spec'ing my character and went with what I thought was best. I'm actually quite pleased at the way Andrue turned out -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Gaven Blands Caldari interimo	Posted - 2008.02.19 12:32:00 - [22] Five years service from any game is extremely good going. There's no chance I'll last that long since Darkfall and Infinity will occur in my life time.
Mr Ballard	Posted - 2008.02.19 12:42:00 - [23] did you ever kill that freighter with your super-dooper sekrit tactic thingy?
Taua Roqa Minmatar Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.02.19 12:42:00 - [24] Originally by: Mr Ballard did you ever kill that freighter with your super-dooper sekrit tactic thingy? you stupid alt you are so getting spanked when i log in... -------------------------------------------- Threads are stacking-nerfed; the more posts you add the less effective those posts are. My I/Q Ration!!!11
Siigari Kitawa Gallente The Aduro Protocol	Posted - 2008.02.19 12:45:00 - [25] Wait, Tank CEO is still around!?
Sisohiv	Posted - 2008.02.19 13:03:00 - [26] This is an interesting topic for this character. Ioci is the 'Main' here but Sisohiv is a curious and unique character. She was created prior to this new creation system and had base 50K or whatever it was back then and never trained a skill. She was granted skill levels to get her to new, noob levels of 900K. As a result, she has 12 Percep and everything else is 7 with learning 5 and no other books in learning group because back then, they weren't granted. If I ever train Sisohiv her attribute potential is very visible and exposed. 10 points trainable add a 5 implant add to 7. She could flat rate all her attributes to 22 and have percep of 27. More to the point being made here, a modern template version of Sisohiv couldn't make a Sisohiv. What she was and what she is are not the same thing. I don't know if I like respec. I've seen what respec does to games. I'm not sure it would impact that way in Eve because attributes don't make much difference unless training 5 or high multiplier and Min/ Maxing isn't everyones priority. Me? I'd rather see them add a Vet reward attribute. Wisdom. Let players Use temporary wisdom allocation as a way to influence the other stats. Character transfers void Wisdom. It should be a Vet reward that is meant for the people who truly grow a character.
Luda Yana Caldari	Posted - 2008.02.19 13:50:00 - [27] right.. if they do implement to change initial stats, what going to stop me to do max 2 stats and gimp the rests, then keep it for couple months untill i leatn the group of skill which benefits from these 2 stats most and then reconfigure my stats for next group of skills I want to learn? I know some people like OP would say 'only one or twise blah blah' but this is only because they do learn some skills and now decide these skills are not very good and want to get maximum benefit for upcoming skills. What about if they do allow this to happen only if you unlearn skills which are affected from the stats you going to gimp? This going to be fair since you feel these stats 'not so important' for you =)
Letouk Mernel	Posted - 2008.02.19 14:52:00 - [28] Edited by: Letouk Mernel on 19/02/2008 14:53:43 Originally by: Luda Yana right.. if they do implement to change initial stats, what going to stop me to do max 2 stats and gimp the rests, then keep it for couple months untill i leatn the group of skill which benefits from these 2 stats most and then reconfigure my stats for next group of skills I want to learn? The $30 it costs is gonna stop you. The can even borrow a page from WoW and make the charge double every time you do this: $30, $60, $120, $240 at some point people will stop. EDIT: I'd like to see a re-spec (re-shuffle skills too), not just an attribute shuffle.
Kyanzes Utopian Research I.E.L. Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2008.02.19 14:59:00 - [29] Edited by: Kyanzes on 19/02/2008 14:58:48 Star Wars Galaxies respec kits ftw --------------------------------------------- GET TO THE CHOPPA!!! The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
Weeaboot	Posted - 2008.02.19 15:09:00 - [30] Originally by: Joe Starbreaker How much did you pay for this toon? If you had actually played the game for more than a day, you'd know there's no such thing as "career" and you just train the skills you want to train. If you aren't satisfied with Tank CEO, sell him and buy another toon that's a better fit. Epic, epic fail.



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