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LRN Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.04.05 05:40:00 - [91] In case you're wondering why I'm relaunching the IPO, I believe that the time spent reading obnoxious threads about "upcoming manipulation" and so on could actually be put to good use.
EBANK Ricdic Eve-Tech Savings n Loans Zzz	Posted - 2008.04.05 06:47:00 - [92] You didn't close this IPO, you got no-one buying into your secured loan. However having said that I wouldn't be surprised if there are people with more money than sense buying into this anyway. Oh, and theres a third one of your alts. Can you post with YouGotRipped to confirm all of this, or is he banned from the forums?
LRN Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.04.05 06:55:00 - [93] What a surprise, I though Hexxx taught you not to pay any more attention to my posts but I see that given your brilliance you couldn't help it. If anyone has "doubts" about my honesty then please do not invest. Period.
YouGotRipped	Posted - 2008.04.05 07:00:00 - [94] Edited by: YouGotRipped on 05/04/2008 07:00:23 Originally by: Riethe what's going on in this thread Thanks Riethe. That really helped. hahah
LRN	Posted - 2008.04.05 07:16:00 - [95] Setting aside Riethe's sense of humor and Ricdic's determination to discredit any IPO that could threaten business run by Ebank's own directors and also diminish the available capital for crappy 3% Ebank accounts, I would like to remind everyone the 10% minimum return guaranteed for this IPO, my willingness to allow someone to audit my dealings and the intention to take in only small investments.
EBANK Ricdic Eve-Tech Savings n Loans Zzz	Posted - 2008.04.05 07:42:00 - [96] Originally by: LRN Ricdic's determination to discredit any IPO that could threaten business run by Ebank's own directors This is hilarious. You honestly think any business proposal you ever start could ever discredit EBANK? I actually gave you constructive advice in your IPO and business offerings, you are the one who somehow felt I was on this crusade to destroy you. Quote: and also diminish the available capital for crappy 3% Ebank accounts Absolutely. We are obviously having poor results with this. Only 280b deposited under these crappy EBANK accounts. Quote: I would like to remind everyone the 10% minimum return guaranteed for this IPO, my willingness to allow someone to audit my dealings and the intention to take in only small investments. 1) It's not guaranteed as if you run off, disapear, get hit by a bus, the dividends won't be paid. 2) You have provided zero operational data to suggest that you have the ability to manage these returns. 3) An auditor won't protect against a scam, however it's definetly a step in the right direction. 4) Small investments? It still has the same affect if you burn 300 people for 5m each compared to 5 people at 300m each. However these 300 people would write off (or not even notice) the loss compared to the 5 that got burnt. 5) What happened to the securities you were providing? You offered a secured loan and couldn't get funding. Why do you think an unsecured IPO has a better chance of success? Now, you can continue to troll me all you want, make up stories and falsify data however that has a direct negative impact on yourself. It shows your dishonesty in times of adversity. Alternatively you can get off your high horse and answer questions passed to you. If you fail to perform well under forum pressures why would people feel comfortable expecting you to be able to withstand your 'guaranteed' rates of return? Now you have been posting considerably more of late (during the closure) likely to try and build forum rep and your attempts to troll me seem quite similar to those attempts made by Kyrial which ultimately resulted in him having "pity investors" go to him and him end up with a forum ban. So just be careful how you go. I have nothing against people asking me questions however I can't stand when people state opinions as fact, or fake/spin data to suit their cause (both of which you have done).
EBANK Ricdic Eve-Tech Savings n Loans Zzz	Posted - 2008.04.05 07:45:00 - [97] Final Note. Don't think I have some personal vendetta against you. Checking my post history I have in some way interacted with the vast majority of businesses proposed on these forums. However first impressions generally last the longest and your first impression is your name. As much as you hate to admit it, this will be the sole limiting factor in your endeavour to do whatever it is you plan on doing here on the MD forums.
LRN	Posted - 2008.04.05 07:47:00 - [98] Edited by: LRN on 05/04/2008 07:51:37 I can't compete with the lesser intelligent beings. In fact I can't even bring myself to reading your entire post. Like I said, if there are those that have doubts about my honesty or are unwilling for various reasons to give me the chance to prove that my IPO can be a success then don't invest. It's that simple. To summarize: 10% minimum return guaranteed for this IPO, my willingness to allow someone to audit my dealings and the intention to take in only small investments.
LRN	Posted - 2008.04.05 07:50:00 - [99] Edited by: LRN on 05/04/2008 07:51:03
Kwint Sommer Lothian Quay Industries	Posted - 2008.04.05 08:03:00 - [100] Even the Dev's think he's a troll, Originally by: CCP Mitnal Cleaned OP please do not troll your own thread, whilst some of the regulars need to go back to discussion rather than fanning the flame wars. YouGotRipped or whatever he's calling himself lately is a troll that has repeatedly failed at raising public capital thanks initially to his trolling and later to his indirect admittance that his early attempts were scams. He has so thoroughly destroyed his public reputation that he could not even get a secured public loan. Aside from being a scammer and a troll, he has made quite a few unfounded attacks on members of this forum, particularly Ricdic. Since I have no public ventures for him to try to discredit he ripped off my sig in an effort to associate me with his scamming and trolling. He has just taken it down. Quite frankly, I have more respect for and would sooner do business with Riethe than YouGotRipped. Purchasing and Shipping Moon Minerals
EBANK Ricdic Eve-Tech Savings n Loans Zzz	Posted - 2008.04.05 08:04:00 - [101] Yeh ok, whatever. That's the nail in the coffin for you.
LRN Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.04.05 08:06:00 - [102] Edited by: LRN on 05/04/2008 08:10:40 How could I be a scammer if I haven't scammed anyone? Your logic is flawless and well suited for someone like you. Now that I read your entire post Kwint, I haven't laughed so much in my entire life. The reason I altered your sig and added to it a quote from you calling me a scammer was to prove to the world you're making irresponsible claims (like usual). I'm asking for a chance to help you and your kind surpass your limitations. I'd suggest you take it.
Riethe Fine Goods for Fine Gentlemen	Posted - 2008.04.05 08:10:00 - [103] Originally by: Kwint Sommer Quite frankly, I have more respect for and would sooner do business with Riethe than YouGotRipped. I have some moon minerals I can move for you after you transfer some collateral. Minerva knows what I'm talking about.
Kwint Sommer Lothian Quay Industries	Posted - 2008.04.05 08:12:00 - [104] Originally by: Riethe Originally by: Kwint Sommer Quite frankly, I have more respect for and would sooner do business with Riethe than YouGotRipped. I have some moon minerals I can move for you after you transfer some collateral. Minerva knows what I'm talking about. I'm good, thanks. Purchasing and Shipping Moon Minerals
LRN Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.04.05 08:29:00 - [105] Edited by: LRN on 05/04/2008 08:34:53 Now all that's missing is the bald guy to add his own view of the world and we're all set. Jesus, the MD is such in a deplorable state (unfounded claims, personal grudges, noob bashing) that it's no wonder that so many people preice their commodity above all and go for crappy 3% Ebank accounts. The IPO tag is reported to be extinct. And it's not taken from FAO's yearly report, it's a fact here.
LRN	Posted - 2008.04.05 08:52:00 - [106] Edited by: LRN on 05/04/2008 08:55:53 My determination is not to be ignored either. I'm now offering a 20% minimum guaranteed return for this IPO, while adding a clause that allows me to buy back your shares at any moment. Consider your options here: it might be a scam (in which case I suggest you invest the lowest amount that you can dispense with) or it can pay off really well. The choice is yours.
Silver Night	Posted - 2008.04.05 08:54:00 - [107] Edited by: Silver Night on 05/04/2008 09:05:13 Interestingly, I just invested in two IPOs. One of which was both unsecured and by a new face hereabouts. Neither of these, naturally, was you. It has been belabored time and again: The way to successfully get investors is to have a solid business plan, and answer questions and concerns of the community, even if you for whatever reason feel they are attacks on you. Whether they are or not isn't even relevant. Your reaction is what people judge you by. In fact, you want personal attacks. Well reasoned, mature responses to a personal attack probably gets you more credibility than anything else. I didn't see any real personal attacks in here from anyone but you, but if they were here, you missed a golden opportunity honestly. Unfortunately, at this point, this thread can only serve as a good lesson to future entrepreneurs on how not to try and get funding. On a somewhat unrelated note... well, entirely unrelated... I was looking at the words investor and investors over and over in this thread, and a question occurred to me: Would a female who invested be, in fact, an investrix? Following the convention for aviatrix, dominatrix, etc? Edit: There is a back door to investment: Be really entertaining. For this, see Rawcola or even DRT. They are so funny, people throw money at them. TBH, I bought a rawcola share (1) for 1m isk, just to get in on the party. -------------- GLS Mr. State Caldari Patriot. Sansha's Nation Supporter Murderer of (his own) Frigates.
Silver Night	Posted - 2008.04.05 09:02:00 - [108] Originally by: LRN Edited by: LRN on 05/04/2008 08:55:53 My determination is not to be ignored either. I'm now offering a 20% minimum guaranteed return for this IPO, while adding a clause that allows me to buy back your shares at any moment. Consider your options here: it might be a scam (in which case I suggest you invest the lowest amount that you can dispense with) or it can pay off really well. The choice is yours. Really, your best bet is to make a new alt, put him in a new corporation, and start over. With full security, you should be able to start a venture for a relatively low ROI. Don't give out your alts, this is not only not needed, it isn't really desirable. And with a non-suspicious name, and a 'fresh' start, if you are really not a scammer, you might be able to make something of it. Hell, if you stick to the straight and narrow, everyone gets their money back in the end, you can even rub it in people's faces that it was really you and you ended up not being a scammer right? It'll be like a reverse scam. In the 2 minutes between my last post, and my hitting the 'quote' button you actually raised your return by 5 percent. This isn't going to lead to you being more believable. Unbelievable rates of return will make most people more suspicious. Though actually, not a bad plan if you are in fact a scammer. You might find a couple of people gullible enough to throw in a few billion. Try offering your plan in mission hubs. Those guys have too much money anyway. -------------- GLS Mr. State Caldari Patriot. Sansha's Nation Supporter Murderer of (his own) Frigates.
LRN	Posted - 2008.04.05 09:05:00 - [109] Yeah, yeah, yeah I've heard that before. Now you either invest or stfu.
Silver Night	Posted - 2008.04.05 09:10:00 - [110] Originally by: LRN Yeah, yeah, yeah I've heard that before. Now you either invest or stfu. See, this is what I mean. Do you think this will make people want to invest? I can understand if you disagree with me. Thats fine. But as someone trying to garner public funds, you should handle it one of two ways: 1)Say nothing 2)Tell me you disagree in a polite manner. You can even try and poke holes in my arguments or discredit me if you want to. The key is to do it in a reasonable, well thought out way. I don't think I have ever seen someone who posted 'stfu' end up with a successful IPO. And you notice I'm not attacking you, right? I am trying to give you helpful suggestions. Honestly, we can use more IPOs. And if it were a scam, I prefer ones that are at least entertaining and well run. A certain degree of sophistication you understand? I mean, at least you can halfway respect that (I know some of you disagree. ). -------------- GLS Mr. State Caldari Patriot. Sansha's Nation Supporter Murderer of (his own) Frigates.
LRN	Posted - 2008.04.05 09:14:00 - [111] You clearly don't get it. We're long past the point where logic matters. Just read the whole thread. I've offered the investors 20% return, it's a gamble, take it or STFU.
Silver Night Naqam	Posted - 2008.04.05 09:20:00 - [112] Originally by: LRN You clearly don't get it. We're long past the point where logic matters. Just read the whole thread. I've offered the investors 20% return, it's a gamble, take it or STFU. But I did read the whole thread Mr LRN. I guess I am just one of those people that believes reasoned discourse can solve most problems. The trouble is that at this point, most investors will look at this thread and think that buying lottery tickets in the BIG lottery is probably a better investment. Still, good luck with your 'Gamble' May you prove me wrong. -------------- GLS Mr. State Caldari Patriot. Sansha's Nation Supporter Murderer of (his own) Frigates.
LRN Ewigkeit	Posted - 2008.04.05 09:24:00 - [113] Edited by: LRN on 05/04/2008 09:24:23 20% minimum return guaranteed for this IPO, my willingness to allow someone to audit my dealings, small investments possible, shares buy back on my behalf may occur at any given moment.
Silver Night Naqam	Posted - 2008.04.05 09:27:00 - [114] Originally by: LRN shares buy back on my behalf may occur at any given moment. What does this mean exactly? I should really stop posting, but it is like potato chips, or interceptors: I can't seem to stop at just one. -------------- GLS Mr. State Caldari Patriot. Sansha's Nation Supporter Murderer of (his own) Frigates.
EBANK Ricdic Eve-Tech Savings n Loans Zzz	Posted - 2008.04.05 09:28:00 - [115] Yeh and when the CEO doesn't pay up, don't be surprised when he tells you to STFU
LRN	Posted - 2008.04.05 09:38:00 - [116] Edited by: LRN on 05/04/2008 09:40:33 Edited by: LRN on 05/04/2008 09:39:35 Shares buyback on my behalf may occur at any given moment meaning that depending on how profitable my operation is and time expenses vs profit obtained from a possible expansion there will come a moment when my own amassed salary will be enough to ensure the continuation of the IPO operations without the isk the investors entrusted me with. At that point shares buyback will occur and the IPO will be closed, at least for the public.
LRN	Posted - 2008.04.05 10:00:00 - [117] To summarize: 20% minimum return guaranteed, my willingness to allow someone to audit my dealings, small investments possible, shares buyback on my behalf may occur at any given moment. Still waiting for... gamblers.
LRN	Posted - 2008.04.05 14:01:00 - [118] Edited by: LRN on 05/04/2008 14:01:23 Every day that passes by reduces the investment return by 5%. Investing tomorrow will only net you 15% return and so on. Keep that in mind.
Daeva Vios	Posted - 2008.04.05 15:55:00 - [119] Originally by: LRN Edited by: LRN on 05/04/2008 14:01:23 Every day that passes by reduces the investment return by 5%. Investing tomorrow will only net you 15% return and so on. Keep that in mind. I'm certain people are terrified that the return will fall to zero and will hurry to jump at this one. Out of curiosity, why do you think more people would invest when you offer less of a return? It seems to me that if I were throwing my money away, I'd want to throw it at a person who promises to give me more than someone else. I mean, that's what I'd do if I knew I'd never see it again anyway, which is the case here. ------------------------------------- NECB
LRN	Posted - 2008.04.05 16:05:00 - [120] Originally by: Daeva Vios Originally by: LRN Edited by: LRN on 05/04/2008 14:01:23 Every day that passes by reduces the investment return by 5%. Investing tomorrow will only net you 15% return and so on. Keep that in mind. I'm certain people are terrified that the return will fall to zero and will hurry to jump at this one. Out of curiosity, why do you think more people would invest when you offer less of a return? It seems to me that if I were throwing my money away, I'd want to throw it at a person who promises to give me more than someone else. I mean, that's what I'd do if I knew I'd never see it again anyway, which is the case here. It so happens that I have a certain consideration for your gullible persona and the values you promote so I will satisfy your curiosity: I am aware that the IPO failed but it's a means of closing it since I haven't specified a time frame for accepting investments.

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