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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2008.02.21 07:02:00 -
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Having just logged onto the test server I noticed the resolution I have been using for 4 years has been removed in fullscreen. Having bug reported it I was told it was an intended game feature. A 2nd bug report trying to explain how crazy this is caused the bug guy to say gather up support for this change and turn a thread into a petition.
It was bad enough removing hardware sound from Vista after it worked for 6+ months. But now to remove the resolutionÆs I use is just silly. Are they trying to get rid of end users?
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Richard Phallus
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Posted - 2008.02.21 07:16:00 -
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 Originally by: Pottsey
Are they trying to get rid of end users?
Yes, and yet you still pay each month. Who is silly now?
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Ping Li
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Posted - 2008.02.21 07:23:00 -
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What resolutions are being removed ?
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2008.02.21 07:41:00 -
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ôYes, and yet you still pay each month. Who is silly now?ö
The change hasnÆt gone live yet so itÆs not silly to keep paying.
Not taken a close look at all the resolutions. The one I noticed was 1151x864.
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.21 07:44:00 -
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Originally by: Pottsey
Not taken a close look at all the resolutions. The one I noticed was 1151x864.
Now what resolution is that and who uses it? With LCD, never!
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2008.02.21 07:55:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 21/02/2008 07:57:41
I dont use LCD's I dont like there max low FPS and other problems. Surveys say its the 5th most used resolution. Ahead of 1600x1200
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Jack Jombardo
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.02.21 08:14:00 -
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Edited by: Jack Jombardo on 21/02/2008 08:15:48
erm sorry but ..
800*600 (SVGA)
1024*768 (XGA)
1280*1024 (SXGA)
are the normal non-TFT resulutions.
Low maximum FPS of a TFT? 60 FPS is max, a humans eye can't see any differenc over 35 (or was it 25??).
There are some problems with TFT (mostly for fast movements) ... but it's not the max FPS ;).
You might get a normal PC-monitor and not try to play on your TV :).
EDIT: taken from http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bildaufl÷sung where your mentioned resultion isn't even shown.
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I'R Baboon
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Posted - 2008.02.21 08:33:00 -
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Originally by: Jack Jombardo
Edited by: Jack Jombardo on 21/02/2008 08:15:48
Low maximum FPS of a TFT? 60 FPS is max, a humans eye can't see any differenc over 35 (or was it 25??).
There are some problems with TFT (mostly for fast movements) ... but it's not the max FPS ;).
You might get a normal PC-monitor and not try to play on your TV :).
EDIT: taken from http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bildaufl÷sung where your mentioned resultion isn't even shown.
It is a huge difference between 60FPS and 100FPS in games like CS, CS:S, BF2 etc in terms of smoothness. Your brain maybe cannot recognize more then 25 pictures a second, but it sure can perceive more then that.
Of course, if you run a 60hz resolution, 100FPS is a waste.
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Lindsay Fox
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Posted - 2008.02.21 09:06:00 -
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This doesn't affect me, but I have used 1152x864 plenty of times in the past, sometimes it's the perfect res if your vid card can't quite keep up with 1280x1024.
I just find it weird that they would choose to remove it. DirectX doesn't care, the Eve renderer obviously scales to any arbitrary res you want, so wtf???
Makes no sense.
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Serelon
Minmatar
Void Spiders
Fate Weavers
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Posted - 2008.02.21 09:33:00 -
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I use 1152x864, it's the biggest resolution that still displays sharply on my ancient piece 'o crap crt which i can't afford to replace (not really need to replace).
Personally, the only justification i can see for CCP to start removing less common resolutions is if they'd happily give out free new screens to those of use who use those. And since i don't see that happening, at all, i'll sign this petition.
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2008.02.21 09:40:00 -
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WTF? Been using 1152x864 for years. My monitor is FINE I don't need to get a new one, I would have to buy a whole new desk, and then maybe move into a bigger bedroom and then... just... NO. Don't touch my resolution!
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Valeo Galaem
New Eden Advanced Reconnaissance Unit
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Posted - 2008.02.21 09:40:00 -
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I still use a CRT and 1152x864 is the largest res I can do without dropping the refresh down to 60Hz, which hurts my eyes. I thought that EVE used all the res's that Windows reports.
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RaTTuS
BIG
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2008.02.21 09:47:00 -
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AFAIK, eve will use the resolutions that windows reports -
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Fifth Horseman
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Posted - 2008.02.21 10:10:00 -
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Originally by: RaTTuS
AFAIK, eve will use the resolutions that windows reports -
I'll take CCP's word over yours. I'm sure you understand.
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RaTTuS
BIG
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2008.02.21 11:01:00 -
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well boo to you,
all my resolutions are still available on sisi
1024x768
1152x864
1280x1024
1600x1200
1680x1050
1920x1200
1920x768
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so not sure what is what
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Teyrala
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2008.02.21 11:30:00 -
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I use normal resolutions, but I don't see what is so wrong with people using weird resolutions being able to use them tbh.
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2008.02.21 11:34:00 -
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Edited by: Pottsey on 21/02/2008 11:35:02
ôLow maximum FPS of a TFT? 60 FPS is max, a humans eye can't see any differenc over 35 (or was it 25??).ö
Not unless you have extremely poor eyes. A normal person can see over 200fps. In fact you donÆt really see in FPS you stream data. There is a difference between 60 and 100fps or even 100 and 200fps its been proven time and time again.
"well boo to you,
all my resolutions are still available on sisi"
Was that in window mode or fullscreen?
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RaTTuS
BIG
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2008.02.21 11:54:00 -
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Edited by: RaTTuS on 21/02/2008 11:56:17
Aha that will be windowed ...
let me check full screen
edit..
nope - all there in full screen mode.
and I agree that 200fps is different than 60fps - though it is down to the monitors [LCD] not being able to display the updates properly
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2008.02.21 12:01:00 -
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I use 1152x864 as my desktop, then run EVE in windowed mode and just slide it over my window so it fits well.
So, are they removing it from windowed or full?
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Tobias Sjodin
Ore Mongers
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Posted - 2008.02.21 12:03:00 -
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1280x1024 is disproportionate, 1152x864 is actually a proper 4:3 resolution.
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Larno
Gallente
Deadly Addiction
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Posted - 2008.02.21 12:18:00 -
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Originally by: Tobias Sjodin
1280x1024 is disproportionate, 1152x864 is actually a proper 4:3 resolution.
There is no disproportionate, merely different aspect ratios. The three common ones are:
4:3
5:4
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Gallente
The Topal Corporation
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Posted - 2008.02.21 12:39:00 -
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A friend of mine fixed this by manually adding the resolution again. It then re-appeared in EVE
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Mr M
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Posted - 2008.02.21 12:41:00 -
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Edited by: Mr M on 21/02/2008 12:41:49
Originally by: Pottsey
Having just logged onto the test server I noticed the resolution I have been using for 4 years has been removed in fullscreen.
As a work around, can't you change the resolution in prefs.ini?
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Pottsey
Enheduanni Foundation
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Posted - 2008.02.22 07:12:00 -
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I dont remember the command for putting a resolution in the prefs.ini. Whats the command again?
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Tirothadius Xor
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Posted - 2008.02.22 07:39:00 -
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Removing display options whose existence does not harm the game in any way is a very stupid and pointless move.
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ThaMa Gebir
Gallente
Raddick Explorations
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Posted - 2008.02.22 08:02:00 -
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I also distinctly remember wrangler (or another guy, correct me if I am wrong) saying that eve runs those that windows reports. Now if that were the case is there no way to open up all options if it is windowed format rather than allow the o/s decide what I want? Even if it is to input manually I would be happy to do so.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.02.22 08:57:00 -
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I'd much rather have "windowed mode" EVE have no fixed resolution at all, but instead be a resizeable window (with, say, 800x600 minimum size, and up to whatever desktop resolution you might have) 
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Jack Jombardo
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.02.22 10:26:00 -
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Edited by: Jack Jombardo on 22/02/2008 10:26:41
Originally by: Pottsey
Edited by: Pottsey on 21/02/2008 11:35:02
“Low maximum FPS of a TFT? 60 FPS is max, a humans eye can't see any differenc over 35 (or was it 25??).”
Not unless you have extremely poor eyes. A normal person can see over 200fps. In fact you don’t really see in FPS you stream data. There is a difference between 60 and 100fps or even 100 and 200fps its been proven time and time again.
Please prove this with a propper link and don't just tell people "it is proven".
taken from: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auge
EDIT: wikipedia -> eye for english version
Quote:
Allerdings kann die zeitliche Aufl÷sung bei Facettenaugen deutlich h÷her sein als bei Linsenaugen. Sie liegt etwa bei fliegenden Insekten bei 250 Bildern pro Sekunde, was etwa dem vierfachen des menschlichen Auges mit 60-65 Hz[4] entspricht.
Well, it's more as I mentioned but far less then 100 or even 200 wich would be close to the insect eye of a Fly.
Are you a fly? *bz bz*
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.02.22 10:34:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 22/02/2008 10:34:04
Originally by: Jack Jombardo
Please prove this with a propper link and don't just tell people "it is proven".
People are wrong on the Internets ! TO THE RESCUE !
Flicker fusion threshold
In other words, it depends on the person.
For some, even 30Hz is more than enough, for others, 60Hz isn't yet enough.
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Jack Jombardo
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.02.22 10:51:00 -
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Edited by: Jack Jombardo on 22/02/2008 10:55:30
Originally by: Akita T
Edited by: Akita T on 22/02/2008 10:34:04
Originally by: Jack Jombardo
Please prove this with a propper link and don't just tell people "it is proven".
People are wrong on the Internets ! TO THE RESCUE !
Flicker fusion threshold
In other words, it depends on the person.
For some, even 30Hz is more than enough, for others, 60Hz isn't yet enough.
This flicker effect isn't the same as a smoth moving of for example ego-shoters.
And the subjective better results of 100 FPS doesn't came from the real FPS you see but from the faster "see what happens". This is compareble with a bad PING. Bad Ping = data needs more time to be displayed (ak low FPS or Hz).
It's not the eye that realy can see it but your hardware that calculate it faster (more realtime).
With low FPS it will take some time for an action to realy be displayed on your screen (or even be skiped). With a higher FPS it will be shown faster (and without skip). So in this case yes, the best FPS would be oo (infinity). But your eye stays with this much lower 60 Hz mentioned at the eye-wiki. Some of this "more then 60" will simply be ignored by your eyes/brain even if they are there (useless there).
PS: you can't display more FPS then your display provides Hz. So over 60(61) FPS on TFT = useless. Some CRT can display 100 or 120 Hz, more FPS again are useless.
What helps is Buffering more frames. Some Videodrivers have this option to buffer X-frames (calculate them) but only show the last one.
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