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Error404	Posted - 2008.02.22 19:47:00 - [1] I mean this game is always ***** lagging and it's sooo because oh look a server crash and now I logged in and lost my ship or I warped here and took like 3 mins to load in and now look i'm dead :S Then when you're flying about it's always very back and forth........... too much ***** lag I tell ya
Dingi223	Posted - 2008.02.22 19:52:00 - [2] Strange. Apart from Jita, where I fully expect (and experience) lag, I have never waited more than 5 secs before a sector has loaded up. Granted, I have never been involved in fleet battles, however, I have seen many people complain about that lag, so it's obviously not what your thread is targetted at per the thread header. Ever consider that maybe your machine, or connection, is the problem?
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2008.02.22 19:53:00 - [3] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 22/02/2008 19:56:09 --- Its dead, Jim.
Ethen Bejorn Pestilent Industries Amalgamated	Posted - 2008.02.22 19:54:00 - [4] Lately jump gates have been lagging everywhere even with only 1 person in a system, at least people in my corporation have experienced it in multiple areas at different times.
Kyoto Luyi MX3 Development Zzz	Posted - 2008.02.23 08:17:00 - [5] I don't get lag, unless I go to Jita.
Hakar Kerarmor Gallente Arctic Productions	Posted - 2008.02.23 08:18:00 - [6] I tried, but my browser session timed out.
Ikasu Gallente Scrutari The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2008.02.23 08:19:00 - [7] I don't lag pretty much ever. So...yeah -------------------------------------------------- My post does not represent views of my Alliance. Eve is different, in Eve there are actual Heroes and Villains. Build your Legacy!
Barbens Black Lotus Foundation Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.23 09:17:00 - [8] Simply because theres nothing on our end we can do. Also, theres not much CCP can do about it either. So many different computers, from different areas connecting, all needing the same data from the same source, means LAG. BaRbEnS
Riho Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.02.23 09:18:00 - [9] only get lag when i go to jita.... sometimes its good there too. then again... i dont do huge fleet battles allso. ---------------------------------- This is Me
Pestachi0	Posted - 2008.02.23 11:02:00 - [10] I must have covered 200jumps hauling the other day and I only lag as I approach Jita. Perimeter is lagging too and it takes me 10 mins to escape Jita.
Kerfira University of Caille	Posted - 2008.02.23 11:03:00 - [11] Most people don't complain about lag because they're intelligent enough to avoid it, and thus doesn't see it. Follow the three simple rules, and you'll almost never get lag: 1. Stay out of Jita 2. Stay at least 3 jumps away from Saila 3. Stay away from fleet fights with more than 100 people Voila! Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Conrad Rock Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.02.23 11:16:00 - [12] set a long skill, let account expire and come back for skill renewal, and repeat.
baltec1	Posted - 2008.02.23 11:19:00 - [13] I don't get lag, other than in jita and even then its not that bad.
Orgos Khenn Minmatar	Posted - 2008.02.23 12:20:00 - [14] Obvious troll is obvious. Plus, newsflash - whining doesn't cure lag. ---- One day...one day General will be worth reading.
Vala Novak	Posted - 2008.02.23 12:31:00 - [15] Originally by: Error404 Why is nobody complaining about lag? I did, but the forums are lagging so badly the post hasn't made it yet.
Tirothadius Xor	Posted - 2008.02.23 13:00:00 - [16] I generally don't experience lag. _______________ ["The meek shall inherit the Earth, but not its mineral rights." - J. Paul Getty]
banner Caldari underworld cartel	Posted - 2008.02.23 13:03:00 - [17] Edited by: banner on 23/02/2008 13:04:29 i used to lag alot but then my internet connection was bad, now on cable at 16mb per second and i can run 2 accounts at once and dont suffer any lag at all, not even in Jita!!!!!!, some might say im lying but then i have spent a fortune on top gizmos for my comp to make sure that everything i do on it runs with out fault.........so i guess that is my reason for not whining about lag. (edited for damn typo's, shame my spelling isnt as good as the computer)
Gliding 0utbreak	Posted - 2008.02.23 13:06:00 - [18] Originally by: Kyoto Luyi I don't get lag, unless I go to Jita. I Agree unless your PC sucks u only really get lag in Jita Originally by: Pestachi0 CCP kicked my dog Signature created by me.
BBQ Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.02.23 13:09:00 - [19] There are levels of lag. I get the 1 or so seconds of lag in some places but that just needs slight planning when doing missions. Turn on the booster 5 seconds before you need it etc and you are fine. I really dont like playing with people that let their damage grow to just before they explode and then do something about it only to complain that the 0.0003s it took to activate the modual caused them to die.... Also, I refuse to goto Jita... EVER. I use the market in the Jita region to place buy and sell orders etc but I never go into Jita itself. All my sales take place in the systems around Jita as there is no need to go there, all my sales appear on the regional sales lists. If you are affected by lag then either change your playing times or move systems. CCP will eventually fix the lag but people will take that as a queue to amass in greater numbers and then complain that they have done nothing and that 1000x1000 combat was possible before they broke the servers. (lag free 300x300 combat on the same grid has never been possible without lag). ---- God gave us a brain, he also gave us a voice. Shame some people have yet to connect them.
Kailea Shandrasekkar COLD-Wing The Fourth District	Posted - 2008.02.23 13:24:00 - [20] Edited by: Kailea Shandrasekkar on 23/02/2008 13:24:10 I'm forced to agree with most posters here. Apart from the obvious chokepoints - Jita and Motsu, from my own experience - i rarely notice lag. Mind you, now that i'm in nulsec, i sense no lag at all. The price demanded for the most precious of all things is life itself - ultimate cost for perfect value.
Sergeant Spot Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.23 13:53:00 - [21] In response to the OP The reason that no one else is complaining about the lag is due to CCPs new and highly effect method combating lag. Its a surprising simple solution... 1st, CCP gathers up all the excess lag from the entire server 2nd, they identify an account that has annoyed them in some way, probably on the forums.... 3rd, they use that account a "lag sink" for everyone else's lag. I'd sure hate to be that guy, and..... oh, gee, sorry dude.... Play nice while you butcher each other.
Krxon Blade The Phoenix Rising SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.23 16:18:00 - [22] Originally by: Kerfira Follow the three simple rules, and you'll almost never get lag: 1. Stay out of Jita 2. Stay at least 3 jumps away from Saila 3. Stay away from fleet fights with more than 100 people Voila! Your 1st suggestion is OK but megaLOL at other two. Why don't add even more suggestions? - play only one hour before or after DT - dont deploy drones or fighters because they cause lag - dont't play on weekends - .. blah .. Lag needs to be resolved by CCP and not by players by not doing something which is available in game. Systems should be avoided only if those are infested by blob of campers Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Blind Man1 Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.02.23 17:04:00 - [23] what good will come from whining?
Krxon Blade The Phoenix Rising SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.23 17:05:00 - [24] Originally by: Blind Man1 what good will come from whining? Whining is in human nature and it helps to vent frustration out :) -- Yay my sig is under my control again. Ty :)
Max Leadfoot PAK	Posted - 2008.02.23 17:44:00 - [25] Originally by: banner Edited by: banner on 23/02/2008 13:04:29 i used to lag alot but then my internet connection was bad, now on cable at 16mb per second and i can run 2 accounts at once and dont suffer any lag at all, not even in Jita!!!!!!, some might say im lying but then i have spent a fortune on top gizmos for my comp to make sure that everything i do on it runs with out fault.........so i guess that is my reason for not whining about lag. (edited for damn typo's, shame my spelling isnt as good as the computer) lol big bw doesnt equal less lag... eve is not bw intensive...maybe only at starting the game but once u loged in... you never get a more than 20kB/s bursts if at all so the rest of your 15.7mb cable connection is well...useless get a clue gota love the showoffs that like to chuck out big numbers
Kerfira University of Caille	Posted - 2008.02.23 19:29:00 - [26] Edited by: Kerfira on 23/02/2008 19:31:21 Originally by: Krxon Blade Originally by: Kerfira Follow the three simple rules, and you'll almost never get lag: 1. Stay out of Jita 2. Stay at least 3 jumps away from Saila 3. Stay away from fleet fights with more than 100 people Voila! Your 1st suggestion is OK but megaLOL at other two. Why don't add even more suggestions? - play only one hour before or after DT - dont deploy drones or fighters because they cause lag - dont't play on weekends - .. blah .. Lag needs to be resolved by CCP and not by players by not doing something which is available in game. Systems should be avoided only if those are infested by blob of campers #2 is fine. There're plenty of other good agents (some even giving more LP than the ones around there). #3 is also fine. You choose either to participate in fleet fights with lag, or avoid lag. Your choice.... If you choose the laggy option, it's your own fault. CCP - can - not - solve - lag! (Well, not unless they put anti-blobbing mechanisms in place....) Read the Infiniband thread for more info. Lag will always be there as long as players play in a way that cause it (ie. by blobbing). CCP improve their servers by 10%, players will blob 10% more and still lag.... There are no magical solutions, which essentially means that players seeking lag-inducing gameplay bring it upon themselves. Whining about CCP is probably stress relieving, but'll not solve anything. They're doing their best, but hard- and software limitations means they can't do much. Too bad, but that's the real world. Whining about it doesn't change anything..... Live with it and accept lag, change your way of play so you avoid it, or leave the game are the realistic options you have... Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Grytok moon7empler Ev0ke	Posted - 2008.02.23 19:30:00 - [27] Get out of Systems like Motsu, Saila and Jita? I only get lag, when I'm in a Fleetfight with more then 20-30 ppl on each side, but even then not necessarily. I've had a fight three days ago for example with close to 100 pilots on the grid and it was totally lag-free. .
Grendelsbane	Posted - 2008.02.23 21:18:00 - [28] Originally by: Error404 I mean this game is always ***** lagging and it's sooo because oh look a server crash and now I logged in and lost my ship or I warped here and took like 3 mins to load in and now look i'm dead :S Then when you're flying about it's always very back and forth........... too much ***** lag I tell ya What is this lag you speak of? Stay out of Jita.
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.02.23 21:30:00 - [29] I used to get lag everywhere I went back in 2005 and joined in many a *** fest on the forums. Missions, session changes, a shuttle warping into a belt I was mining in or sometimes for no discernable reason it just lagged horribly. Now with years of yarrdware and code upgrades since then I never ever get lag in any form unless I wander into Jita or happen to be on the same node as a fleet fight. So I can't speak for others but this is the reason I don't complain about lag anymore. Originally by:** MM0RPG EVE Review "if you aren't my friend you are my income."
The Slayer Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.23 22:00:00 - [30] Originally by: Krxon Blade Originally by: Kerfira Follow the three simple rules, and you'll almost never get lag: 1. Stay out of Jita 2. Stay at least 3 jumps away from Saila 3. Stay away from fleet fights with more than 100 people Voila! Your 1st suggestion is OK but megaLOL at other two. Why don't add even more suggestions? - play only one hour before or after DT - dont deploy drones or fighters because they cause lag - dont't play on weekends - .. blah .. Lag needs to be resolved by CCP and not by players by not doing something which is available in game. Systems should be avoided only if those are infested by blob of campers Man CCP should have just waved the magic wand months ago then! PRESTO! Quantum Servers AHOY!!! There is only so much CCP can do without some sort of magic solution, more hardware will only mean people make bigger blobs. People know that fleet fights of 200+ cause lag and still whine when their 400+ fleet brings the system to a crawl. If suddenly 400 player fleet fights become playable people will just bring 800 to fights. They are fighting a losing battle.
flashfreaking LFC	Posted - 2008.02.23 23:14:00 - [31] Originally by: The Slayer Man CCP should have just waved the magic wand months ago then! PRESTO! Quantum Servers AHOY!!! There is only so much CCP can do without some sort of magic solution, more hardware will only mean people make bigger blobs. People know that fleet fights of 200+ cause lag and still whine when their 400+ fleet brings the system to a crawl. If suddenly 400 player fleet fights become playable people will just bring 800 to fights. They are fighting a losing battle. Quoting this goon as he is speaking the truth Disallowed sig graphic. Send an e-mail to [email protected] when it meets the forum signature guidelines. ~Saint
Krxon Blade The Phoenix Rising SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.24 00:24:00 - [32] Originally by: The Slayer There is only so much CCP can do without some sort of magic solution, more hardware will only mean people make bigger blobs. People know that fleet fights of 200+ cause lag and still whine when their 400+ fleet brings the system to a crawl. If suddenly 400 player fleet fights become playable people will just bring 800 to fights. They are fighting a losing battle. Lag is present in <50 ship fleets, even in empty systems. I was podkilled once in low sec system with <15 ppl in local. Jumped in, scene loaded, only 20% of hull left. Before ship went poof I started to clicking to warpout. Next thing on screen - medical bay, YAY. :) But yes, no point to whine about lag. Cheers -- Yay my sig is under my control again. Ty :)
Rawr Cristina Caldari Cult of Rawr	Posted - 2008.02.24 00:30:00 - [33] Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 24/02/2008 00:31:04 Originally by: Error404 I mean this game is always ***** lagging and it's sooo . *ing how the am I supposed to ing read that **? At least whine coherently pls, dear feg Vote Dynamic Tax!
Ron Bacardi Caldari PROGENITOR CORPORATION Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.02.24 01:34:00 - [34] Lag is going to be around regardless, and I'm sure CCP is working on improving the problem (Need For Speed initiative, InfiniBand). It doesnt happen overnight. No sense complaining. However, I think the lag issues which have plagued this game and it's epic fleet battles should be number 1 priority, way over something like ambulation or atmospheric flight. Really it comes down to the player though, if you don't want to lag out, don't jump into a system with 300-400+ people, and if you do, consequences are on you. Do we really want CCP putting a cap on how many people can be in system? That could end the game.
Terail Zoqial	Posted - 2008.02.24 02:05:00 - [35] I haven't had any lag for months, do I win eve?
Hannobaal Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.24 02:20:00 - [36] Lag will happen in Jita and a select few other systems similar to it, or in larger fleet battles (also counts if you're on the same node as a major fleet battle, and nodes aren't by proximity so you could be in one system and be on the same node as a battle going on in a completely different region 50+ jumps away). If you're seeing bad lag in any other cases than that, then the problem is most likely at your end or inbetween you and the servers, not with CCP and their servers. Also, people complain about lag on these forums all the freaking time. What the hell are you talking about?
Wreth Saran Caldari Phantom Stallion Security Forces New Eden Federation.	Posted - 2008.02.24 02:29:00 - [37] Edited by: Wreth Saran on 24/02/2008 02:34:32 Edited by: Wreth Saran on 24/02/2008 02:33:34 Edited by: Wreth Saran on 24/02/2008 02:31:23 Try sending log servers to them if your having the issue, I've sent off a petition about this sort of random freezing I've been getting, If you send them log servers then it should help them figure out what's wrong.... Or so I hope. For those that don't know how, you can create log servers while you play EVE by doing the following: 1. Find your Eve folder in Windows Explorer 2. When you have the Eve folder open, find "logserver.exe" and launch it (Do NOT have EVE running) 3. Select "File" -> "New Workspace" 4. Start Eve like you would normally do 5. When you have reproduced the bug, Eve crashes or when you kill the process if it hangs, select "File" -> "Save workspace as..." and save the workspace in a place you'll find it again. This is the instructions I was given by one of the GM's, that's all I think we can do right now to be honest, spam away with log servers until they find the kink they've got, oh and don't forget to compress it in a .zip file.
Ragnar Darkstar	Posted - 2008.02.24 02:50:00 - [38] What kind of hardware do you have? I used to have the same lag issues and I got a new pimptastic Dell XPS and now no lag, even in systems with 300 peeps.
nardaq Infinity Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.24 04:29:00 - [39] WELCOME TO THE WORLD OF EVE The game what you get if they: a) use one cluster b) all server side besides the (crappy)graphics c) use a 5 year old server design(or even older?) d) crappy client e to z) 1001 other reasons NO CCP!!! _______________________________________________ whining to CCP, whining to CCP,whining to CCP, Yarrrr!!111 until EVE is working proper =] will it?
Adarr Caldari g guild Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.02.24 05:28:00 - [40] my mind asplode
Kerfira University of Caille	Posted - 2008.02.24 07:50:00 - [41] Originally by: Ron Bacardi Lag is going to be around regardless, and I'm sure CCP is working on improving the problem (Need For Speed initiative, InfiniBand). It doesnt happen overnight. No sense complaining. If you read the InfiniBand thread it doesn't give much hope for much less lag in fleet battles. It'll mean a lot for Jita and mission systems, and possibly also systems being hit by association-lag (ie. those on the same node as a large fleet battle), but InfiniBand will not help on a single grid which is where large battles occur. Originally by: Ron Bacardi However, I think the lag issues which have plagued this game and it's epic fleet battles should be number 1 priority, way over something like ambulation or atmospheric flight. So does everyone about their pet problem. I think so too, but when all is said and done, the amount of people affected by fleet battle lag is a small percentage of EVE's population, and its the most loyal part. From a financial point of view, it makes more sense to invest in the fickle majority than the loyal minority Also, I don't really think lag CAN be solved. The only thing I see working is if CCP introduces blob-restricting measures. It can't be done by limits on numbers, but maybe some measures can be made that makes it undesirable to blob.... Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Bellator Militaris	Posted - 2008.02.24 11:39:00 - [42] CCP has been working on lag for many years now. They have a team of experts 24/7 on this problem. In the meantime, well just be patient. CCP knows what they, the experts are doing. I think.
Pride NL Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2008.02.24 12:24:00 - [43] Complaining has no use. We have dont it for so long. If it was fixable it would have been fixed. Its the only downside to have everyone in one world. Its part of EVE now. And untill CCP rewrites their code, it will remain laggy. Too many things are depending on the servers. Arrive. Raise Hell. Leave.
Wreth Saran Caldari Phantom Stallion Security Forces New Eden Federation.	Posted - 2008.02.24 13:01:00 - [44] Edited by: Wreth Saran on 24/02/2008 13:03:03 I'd just like to verify that this has absolutely NOTHING to do with the users computers, how do I know this? Because when it DOES freeze I am able to alt-tab out of the client normally or window key and I can pretty much go on MSN, Winamp etc. without any real issue, it's nothing to do with the computer itself, oh and I'd like to point out freezing generally doesn't mean it's to do with the computer. This is an issue that CCP seriously needs to get round I think before ANYTHING else as it's effecting a large number of people, if your not getting this then it's likely you are in a low population system and/or very lucky and only getting small jitters or some such that you barely notice, regardless it is there, these freezes I've been experiencing occur not only when coming to areas with a dense amount of objects ( Usually stations, stargates, or mission areas ) but also when loading up the market or other bits of information. I'll give an example even IF it's a singleplayer version, Dark Messiah of Might and Magic, I'm sure some of you have at least heard of that game, it was so buggy and had such numerous freezes it was unplayable without the patching, but that was the fault of the coding done on the game itself not the computer.
Orgos Khenn Minmatar	Posted - 2008.02.24 13:40:00 - [45] Originally by: nardaq d) crappy client e to z) 1001 other reasons Door is that way, enjoy WoW. NEXT ---- One day...one day General will be worth reading.
lubiPupi	Posted - 2008.02.24 16:11:00 - [46] because 90% of eve are boring empire carebears

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