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Ventosus x13	Posted - 2008.02.23 13:37:00 - [1] x13 left FATTY alliance. The few of us are now in Delve. If someone in the coalition have x13 to positive standings, reconsider ;) ............... I will win Eve
Lasakywa Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.02.23 13:50:00 - [2] You have the choice to fight in lagfest or not..And you chose lagfest..Mmkay, good luck have fun there
Larice Minmatar Seven Provinces	Posted - 2008.02.23 13:52:00 - [3] More people looking for epic lag!
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.23 13:59:00 - [4] Welcome to the party, gents. As for epic lag, funny that's coming from one of the bajillion that are against us, but hey ho ! Reikoku Diplomatic Forums
Luthien Firefoot Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.02.23 14:00:00 - [5] Are you blue to bob ? Are you blue to Gob, if not his stealth bomber fleet will make u cry
TeufelsBeitrag Ore Mongers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.02.23 14:04:00 - [6] You can get your corp out of FATTY, but you cant get the FATTYs out of your corp. You knew someone would say this. ;)
Hannobaal Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.23 14:10:00 - [7] I don't think you'll be there for long.
Larice Minmatar Seven Provinces	Posted - 2008.02.23 14:20:00 - [8] Originally by: Dianabolic As for epic lag, funny that's coming from one of the bajillion that are against us, but hey ho ! Hehe, don't kid yourself. You are over-estimating your significance. But then again, I am just part of the Altliance, what do I know. Just making sure there are no future lagwhines from x13 by telling them what they are willingly letting them in for.
kublai Art of War	Posted - 2008.02.23 14:37:00 - [9] X13 may not be able to match the numbers of sniveling little naptards currently yelping at bob's door down south, but before you start trolling you should try looking at yourself as an individual player, then look at the members x13 as individual players. I know, I know, what am I even saying, we're in caod here, skill doesn't mean anything, personal achievements even less, all that matters is whether you can swamp an area with so many pilotes the enemy fleet will require two hours to jump trough the gate or not. Call me crazy, but I have heaps more respect for X13 than I have for any single one of the dozen plus worthless carebear alliances who hopped the bandwagon to gain access to the great new world order we have all come to know and love as the Russian Super Nap. ------ Art of War is recruiting - Think you got what it takes? Buying sig - eve-mail "Jonny 101"
Tholarim Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.23 14:43:00 - [10] hmmm, i smell bacon.
Frygok Minmatar Malicious Intentions The Church.	Posted - 2008.02.23 14:44:00 - [11] Originally by: Tholarim hmmm, i smell bacon. Danish bacon is the best, I agree!
Aneu Angellus Caldari DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.23 15:01:00 - [12] Welcome to the lag parade. ________________
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.23 15:12:00 - [13] Originally by: Hannobaal I don't think you'll be there for long. Oh yeah. I almost forgot that KIATolon said that you guys would have NOL by tomorrow. I'd better start packing. Eve-Online: The Text Adventure
xttz GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.23 15:21:00 - [14] Originally by: Avon Oh yeah. I almost forgot that KIATolon said that you guys would have NOL by tomorrow. You may want to examine Molle's long list of promises before calling others out.
sakana North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.02.23 15:22:00 - [15] Originally by: Dianabolic Welcome to the party, gents. As for epic lag, funny that's coming from one of the bajillion that are against us, but hey ho ! :begs more random corps for help:
End Yourself Core Domination Big Bang Quantum	Posted - 2008.02.23 15:27:00 - [16] Have fun! And let BB(whoever it is these days) know: THIS is my sta[t]i[o]n! Delve is that way. -> --- Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity.
Gliding 0utbreak	Posted - 2008.02.23 15:28:00 - [17] Whats with all the anti X13, so much anger came from such a little comment. Originally by: Pestachi0 CCP kicked my dog Signature created by me.
Future Thing Ninja Warriors of the Round Table	Posted - 2008.02.23 15:30:00 - [18] Originally by: sakana Originally by: Dianabolic Welcome to the party, gents. As for epic lag, funny that's coming from one of the bajillion that are against us, but hey ho ! :begs more random corps for help: :begs more random alliances for help:
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.23 15:34:00 - [19] Originally by: Dianabolic As for epic lag, funny that's coming from one of the bajillion that are against us, but hey ho ! Funny that's coming from the GBC that has spent all week outnumbering the coalition 3-1. You don't lag or blob less than us, we have more subscribers sure but we bring less than you to the fights so I blame you for the lag. --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life"
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.23 15:35:00 - [20] Originally by: Aneu Angellus Welcome to the lag parade. Last I looked you weren't there. You were mostly whining about it while npc'ing up in Tenal :) --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life"
TWD Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.23 15:38:00 - [21] Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: Dianabolic As for epic lag, funny that's coming from one of the bajillion that are against us, but hey ho ! Funny that's coming from the GBC that has spent all week outnumbering the coalition 3-1. You don't lag or blob less than us, we have more subscribers sure but we bring less than you to the fights so I blame you for the lag. I'm sorry but this post is hilarious.
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2008.02.23 15:42:00 - [22] Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: Dianabolic As for epic lag, funny that's coming from one of the bajillion that are against us, but hey ho ! Funny that's coming from the GBC that has spent all week outnumbering the coalition 3-1. Hehe, what do you expect when you attack the BoB capital? That they just move away as D2 did when MC attacked them and that you can take over without a fight? If someone would invade your home, would you just tell people of your alliance which show up to defend that they log out or move away because they would produce too much lag? Quite funny idea. And yes, maybe it would help if people would use expensive and high quality ships which can actually do some damage and are just not cannon fodder and generate lag.
Amthrianius Keiretsu Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.23 15:44:00 - [23] Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: Aneu Angellus Welcome to the lag parade. Last I looked you weren't there. You were mostly whining about it while npc'ing up in Tenal :) Why would the owner of a Cap 2 BPO need to NPC! ---------------
Shinori GoonFleet	Posted - 2008.02.23 15:46:00 - [24] Originally by: TWD Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: Dianabolic As for epic lag, funny that's coming from one of the bajillion that are against us, but hey ho ! Funny that's coming from the GBC that has spent all week outnumbering the coalition 3-1. You don't lag or blob less than us, we have more subscribers sure but we bring less than you to the fights so I blame you for the lag. I'm sorry but this post is hilarious. It's funny because it's true.
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.23 15:47:00 - [25] Originally by: TWD Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: Dianabolic As for epic lag, funny that's coming from one of the bajillion that are against us, but hey ho ! Funny that's coming from the GBC that has spent all week outnumbering the coalition 3-1. You don't lag or blob less than us, we have more subscribers sure but we bring less than you to the fights so I blame you for the lag. I'm sorry but this post is hilarious. So since when did all those goons in wicked creek npc'ing. AAA in Omist, RAWR in Tribute, RZR in tenal etc. contribute to your lag? I know you want to talk about subscribernumbers or alliance members because it makes you look good but it's actually the only statistic that is totally pointless. It's about the fights and we're not blobbing up more than you in any way. --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life"
Ki An Gallente Filiolus Of Bellum	Posted - 2008.02.23 15:49:00 - [26] Originally by: Fred0 So since when did all those goons in wicked creek npc'ing. AAA in Omist, RAWR in Tribute, RZR in tenal etc. contribute to your lag? I know you want to talk about subscribernumbers or alliance members because it makes you look good but it's actually the only statistic that is totally pointless. It's about the fights and we're not blobbing up more than you in any way. I don't know what's the most amusing about this. The fact that he doesn't realize what he's saying, or that he's saying it in the first place. Filiolus of Bellum is recruiting
Larice Minmatar Seven Provinces	Posted - 2008.02.23 15:52:00 - [27] Originally by: Gnulpie Hehe, what do you expect when you attack the BoB capital? That they just move away as D2 did when MC attacked them and that you can take over without a fight? If someone would invade your home, would you just tell people of your alliance which show up to defend that they log out or move away because they would produce too much lag? Quite funny idea. And yes, maybe it would help if people would use expensive and high quality ships which can actually do some damage and are just not cannon fodder and generate lag. Doesn't make it any less hypocritical.
Darkrydar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.23 15:56:00 - [28] Originally by: Fred0 we bring less than you to the fights so I blame you for the lag. ahahahahah Please do not post pictures of players in your sig - Mitnal
Aneu Angellus Caldari DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.23 16:02:00 - [29] Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: Dianabolic As for epic lag, funny that's coming from one of the bajillion that are against us, but hey ho ! Funny that's coming from the GBC that has spent all week outnumbering the coalition 3-1. You don't lag or blob less than us, we have more subscribers sure but we bring less than you to the fights so I blame you for the lag. Alts my dear, alts, and i was only in Tenal getting a ship... honest ________________
Darko1107 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.02.23 16:05:00 - [30] Edited by: Darko1107 on 23/02/2008 16:05:47 Edited by: Darko1107 on 23/02/2008 16:05:34 Originally by: TWD Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: Dianabolic As for epic lag, funny that's coming from one of the bajillion that are against us, but hey ho ! Funny that's coming from the GBC that has spent all week outnumbering the coalition 3-1. You don't lag or blob less than us, we have more subscribers sure but we bring less than you to the fights so I blame you for the lag. I'm sorry but this post is hilarious. Im sorry (cant think why at the moment though) but this post is even funnier, by a factor of 4 million.
Tholarim Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.23 16:10:00 - [31] Edited by: Tholarim on 23/02/2008 16:12:19 Originally by: Fred0 So since when did all those goons in wicked creek npc'ing. AAA in Omist, RAWR in Tribute, RZR in tenal etc. contribute to your lag? I know you want to talk about subscribernumbers or alliance members because it makes you look good but it's actually the only statistic that is totally pointless. It's about the fights and we're not blobbing up more than you in any way. Wow, next thing you're gonna say is that the coalition is the underdog fighting against all odds for a better future for mankind. Epic lol in this topic. X13, i introduce you to bitter coalition flames. Enjoy!
Agmar Game-Over Insurgency	Posted - 2008.02.23 16:14:00 - [32] Edited by: Agmar on 23/02/2008 16:17:29 EDIT- not wasting my time. Recruiting.
Commodore Gauss Caldari C0NTAINMENT	Posted - 2008.02.23 16:15:00 - [33] Originally by: Gnulpie Hehe, what do you expect when you attack the BoB capital? That they just move away as D2 did when MC attacked them and that you can take over without a fight? Yeah, no one from the Northern Coalition would EVER pack up their things and pull back when invaded or anything. Just sayin'.
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.23 16:23:00 - [34] Originally by: Tholarim Edited by: Tholarim on 23/02/2008 16:12:19 Originally by: Fred0 So since when did all those goons in wicked creek npc'ing. AAA in Omist, RAWR in Tribute, RZR in tenal etc. contribute to your lag? I know you want to talk about subscribernumbers or alliance members because it makes you look good but it's actually the only statistic that is totally pointless. It's about the fights and we're not blobbing up more than you in any way. Wow, next thing you're gonna say is that the coalition is the underdog fighting against all odds for a better future for mankind. Epic lol in this topic. X13, i introduce you to bitter coalition flames. Enjoy! Yes and next you're gonna say you're the underdog always fighting outnumbered etc. while the coalition just lags you out... epic lol in this thread indeed. :) Oh and these are not bitter flames. Just clearing up the issue of subscribers/alliance numbers is not the same as lag. I know it doesn't fit your agenda but anyway... --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life"
Aneu Angellus Caldari DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.23 16:23:00 - [35] Originally by: Tholarim Edited by: Tholarim on 23/02/2008 16:12:19 Originally by: Fred0 So since when did all those goons in wicked creek npc'ing. AAA in Omist, RAWR in Tribute, RZR in tenal etc. contribute to your lag? I know you want to talk about subscribernumbers or alliance members because it makes you look good but it's actually the only statistic that is totally pointless. It's about the fights and we're not blobbing up more than you in any way. Wow, next thing you're gonna say is that the coalition is the underdog fighting against all odds for a better future for mankind. Epic lol in this topic. X13, i introduce you to bitter coalition flames. Enjoy! Look at me, loook please... we are poor orphans and everyone has ganged up on us... Get over it, i expected a sad eyed kitty picture at the end of your post. Amirite? ________________
xRazoRx The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.02.23 16:34:00 - [36] Originally by: Aneu Angellus Look at me, loook please... we are poor orphans and everyone has ganged up on us... I heard that bob is winning d/d
Commodore Gauss Caldari C0NTAINMENT	Posted - 2008.02.23 16:38:00 - [37] Originally by: Fred0 Funny that's coming from the GBC that has spent all week outnumbering the coalition 3-1. You don't lag or blob less than us, we have more subscribers sure but we bring less than you to the fights so I blame you for the lag. There was quite a bit of chestbeating on your side's part about the size of the capital fleet fielded during the first push into NOL that seems to be forgotten. While the size of BoB's fleets has remained virtually constant, hostile forces in the area have diminished. Perhaps them "outblobbing" has less to do with their numbers and more to do with your fleet's ED?
Angela Toren Amarr Toren Shipyards	Posted - 2008.02.23 16:41:00 - [38] Originally by: Gliding Whats with all the anti X13, so much anger came from such a little comment. People are flaming them because they didn't join the nap-train. It's either a very brave decision or a very foolish one.
Ishamel 1 Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.02.23 16:57:00 - [39] Originally by: Angela Toren Originally by: Gliding Whats with all the anti X13, so much anger came from such a little comment. People are flaming them because they didn't join the nap-train. It's either a very brave decision or a very foolish one. Its not really brave or foolish, more common sense. Less blues = more targets and delve is a very target rich environment atm. Watched an exceed gang at work in pr- last night while the action was in nol, killing all the random GBC and coallition people moving to and from the fight and i must say it looked like a lot of fun tbh.
Shinori GoonFleet	Posted - 2008.02.23 16:57:00 - [40] Edited by: Shinori on 23/02/2008 17:00:27 Who are X13? If I don't see you solo in goonspace, I don't know you. edit: less pretentious
Tholarim Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.23 17:05:00 - [41] Originally by: Aneu Angellus Originally by: Tholarim Edited by: Tholarim on 23/02/2008 16:12:19 Originally by: Fred0 So since when did all those goons in wicked creek npc'ing. AAA in Omist, RAWR in Tribute, RZR in tenal etc. contribute to your lag? I know you want to talk about subscribernumbers or alliance members because it makes you look good but it's actually the only statistic that is totally pointless. It's about the fights and we're not blobbing up more than you in any way. Wow, next thing you're gonna say is that the coalition is the underdog fighting against all odds for a better future for mankind. Epic lol in this topic. X13, i introduce you to bitter coalition flames. Enjoy! Look at me, loook please... we are poor orphans and everyone has ganged up on us... Get over it, i expected a sad eyed kitty picture at the end of your post. Amirite? we get 5 fleetfights a day aneu. We're loving that. There is no whining in my post about people ganging up on us at all. That's just you making stuff up as usual, unless you like to point me to section where i am stating that. We are just busy laughing at fredo going: "omg bob you outblob us, no fair!"
Alice Cholmondeley I Am Legend	Posted - 2008.02.23 17:08:00 - [42] Originally by: Shinori Edited by: Shinori on 23/02/2008 17:00:27 Who are X13? If I don't see you solo in goonspace, I don't know you. edit: less pretentious Ima in your thread making fun of bad posters.
Sha Dar eXceed Inc. eXceed.	Posted - 2008.02.23 17:16:00 - [43] Originally by: Ishamel 1 Watched an exceed gang at work in pr- last night while the action was in nol, killing all the random GBC and coallition people moving to and from the fight and i must say it looked like a lot of fun tbh. :) Gobs the man.. -
Vhero'ushr	Posted - 2008.02.23 17:24:00 - [44] Too many people takes this game way too serious..
Trepkos PAK	Posted - 2008.02.23 17:26:00 - [45] Edited by: Trepkos on 23/02/2008 17:28:13 Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: Tholarim Edited by: Tholarim on 23/02/2008 16:12:19 Originally by: Fred0 So since when did all those goons in wicked creek npc'ing. AAA in Omist, RAWR in Tribute, RZR in tenal etc. contribute to your lag? I know you want to talk about subscribernumbers or alliance members because it makes you look good but it's actually the only statistic that is totally pointless. It's about the fights and we're not blobbing up more than you in any way. Wow, next thing you're gonna say is that the coalition is the underdog fighting against all odds for a better future for mankind. Epic lol in this topic. X13, i introduce you to bitter coalition flames. Enjoy! Yes and next you're gonna say you're the underdog always fighting outnumbered etc. while the coalition just lags you out... epic lol in this thread indeed. :) Oh and these are not bitter flames. Just clearing up the issue of subscribers/alliance numbers is not the same as lag. I know it doesn't fit your agenda but anyway... I agree with you Fred0, The substantial amount of pilots that the Coalition has involved in this event against BoB, and Goonswarm and their notorious lag tactics are not to blame for the lag issues. Its obviously BoB. Seeing that the coalition is fighting against the odds and whatnot. Oh, and Kudos to BoB for actually being able to outnumber the Coalition and their 10k+ members with only 2.6k in your alliance. -------- Recruit Me
zoturi Karjala Inc. Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2008.02.23 18:00:00 - [46] Quality > Quantity
Shinori GoonFleet	Posted - 2008.02.23 18:00:00 - [47] Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley Ima in your thread making fun of bad posters. Sup failcat, not my thread.
Proxay Gallente Fallen Angel's Blade.	Posted - 2008.02.23 18:15:00 - [48] o/ X13, welcome to delve, keep your arms and legs inside the vehicle at all times and don't let go, this is one hell of a ride. If you're going to remove a signature, at least make sure it's got something that breaks the EULA, k-ta.
Siddy Minmatar Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.23 18:20:00 - [49] x13 fails at campping gates :D welcome tho, mates :D
Njalapeno	Posted - 2008.02.23 18:21:00 - [50] Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: Dianabolic As for epic lag, funny that's coming from one of the bajillion that are against us, but hey ho ! Funny that's coming from the GBC that has spent all week outnumbering the coalition 3-1. You don't lag or blob less than us, we have more subscribers sure but we bring less than you to the fights so I blame you for the lag. GBC, havent heard that in a while
Crax McGee Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.02.23 19:38:00 - [51] Nice 1 lads!! whats the deal with the tourny team????????? xxxxxx
Darkrydar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.23 19:57:00 - [52] Originally by: Aneu Angellus Look at me, loook please[/quote That is the story of your eve life. You need to lie and make **** up to feel important. I miss ripping on you on the CA forums. :sadeyedkitty: Please do not post pictures of players in your sig - Mitnal
Johan Moisander Caldari Black Panther Corporation	Posted - 2008.02.23 20:17:00 - [53] ITT: RZR thinking they're goons and no actual goons. Doing it wrong, guise. this is the opinion of me personally and not my alliance/andorcorp
K Raz Danish Trade and Mining Inc. Frontier Trading and Co Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.23 21:36:00 - [54] Good Luck X13, seems like you're sticking your hands in the bee hive (pun intended) Don't get caught up in all the political smack, but keeps your hands on f1-f8
Empero Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.23 22:54:00 - [55] Welcome x13! Contact me for Slaves & Exotic Dancer replacements.
thoth foc Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2008.02.24 00:16:00 - [56] Originally by: Gliding Whats with all the anti X13, so much anger came from such a little comment. they mentioned they didnt want to be blue.. this confuses the coalition, too much _________________________ xMenta (DSMA) xBOS (CA) ATUK (.5.) DICE (BOB) xElcyion Lacar
Quartex Gallente Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.24 00:26:00 - [57] On numbers, lag and lolz thread... I'd be very surprised if BoB are not in the ascendancy with Fleet numbers in their "Alamo" system. Far from being a heroic bunch of Texans fighting for independence from Mexico they are a cornered and very dangerous Alliance filled with experienced pilots replete with EvE's biggest Titan fleet and they are in systems they have held for a long time. Those who haven't been to Delve should know that there are also lots of NPC stations, so you're not as reliant on POS' to hide your T2 BPO's in ;-) Good luck at getting some fights X13; I'd strongly advise against getting involved in any of the big Fleet fights in the main systems because the best game mechanic to "win" is to get pilots online quickly and hold grid in the expectation that the enemy will lag out on their way to you! I'd be very surprised if BoB hadn't mapped their grids already; how long have they been there? It's WW1 trench warfare right now (in terms of playing the sovereignty game) and not particularly fun tbh. That said, perma PvP against good opponents is certainly fun and Delve is well on its way to becoming a PvP playground. This would probably suit everyone, including BoB, who judging by this thread would love you guys from X13 to come and join them in the Delve pocket, rather than exchanging sov, or sitting in POS fields all night. As for getting every member of the Coalition into Delve from the numerous Regions they currently live in? Well it just aint going to happen, which is actually a good thing .. can you imagine the lag with 1000 pilots in NOL (including 5 or 6 BoB Titans?!)?
Cippalippus Primus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.24 00:52:00 - [58] Wow, talk about thread derail. Anyway, welcome in Delve. -clp
MAXSuicide Cosmic Fusion When Fat Kids Attack	Posted - 2008.02.24 00:56:00 - [59] Edited by: MAXSuicide on 24/02/2008 00:56:18 Originally by: Ventosus x13 left FATTY alliance. The few of us are now in Delve. If someone in the coalition have x13 to positive standings, reconsider ;) is it actually true that bob refused standings to fatty because we were in it? :P
Aramark Omega Enterprises	Posted - 2008.02.24 01:03:00 - [60] Agent2 Holtze needs to post or it didn't happen. on a side note, good luck x13. ----------------------------------------- Aramark unbanned and afraid
w0rmy M. Corp Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.02.24 02:44:00 - [61] Originally by: zoturi Quality > Quantity BoB like statement on holding space Originally by: CCP Oveur I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness. Originally by: Dianabolic I was never sworn to secrecy, w0rmy, sorry to dissappoint you.
Darkrydar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.24 03:57:00 - [62] Originally by: w0rmy Originally by: zoturi Quality > Quantity BoB like statement on holding space M. Corp........M. Corp Please do not post pictures of players in your sig - Mitnal
Dapanman1 Amarr Beets and Gravy Syndicate	Posted - 2008.02.24 06:49:00 - [63] Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: Dianabolic As for epic lag, funny that's coming from one of the bajillion that are against us, but hey ho ! Funny that's coming from the GBC that has spent all week outnumbering the coalition 3-1. You don't lag or blob less than us, we have more subscribers sure but we bring less than you to the fights so I blame you for the lag. You obviously didn't give them enough time to have 2/3 of their members evacuate thier home region so you could have a fair fight. Beets, you're among friends.
kublai Art of War	Posted - 2008.02.24 06:53:00 - [64] So, BoB has more fighters in delve than the coalition, and this should tarnish their reputation in comparison to the coalition? The coalition has what, 15-20 thousand players in their respective alliances, and yet bob manages to field more combatants? If anything, that just tells you how pathetic the coalition is. ------ Art of War is recruiting - Think you got what it takes? Buying sig - eve-mail "Jonny 101"
rValdez5987 Amarr Killed In Action The Crimson Federation	Posted - 2008.02.24 06:55:00 - [65] Quote: X13 may not be able to match the numbers of sniveling little naptards currently yelping at bob's door down south, but before you start trolling you should try looking at yourself as an individual player, then look at the members x13 as individual players. I know, I know, what am I even saying, we're in caod here, skill doesn't mean anything, personal achievements even less, all that matters is whether you can swamp an area with so many pilotes the enemy fleet will require two hours to jump trough the gate or not. Call me crazy, but I have heaps more respect for X13 than I have for any single one of the dozen plus worthless carebear alliances who hopped the bandwagon to gain access to the great new world order we have all come to know and love as the Russian Super Nap. ^ this. Totally agree... the coalition is crap. And on the topic of GBC outnumbering coalition fleets, all I have to say to that is LOL. Thousands of pilots on your side and your still outnumbered... and outgunned... Sooner or later the coalition will learn what GBC already knows. Skill > Blob :Disclaimer: My opinions are my own, and do not represent my corporation or alliance. I am not a BoB alt.
Vanessa LaiDai GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.24 06:55:00 - [66] Maybe BoB won't take a giant dump on their new ally's chest like the rest of their allies. That or maybe these x13 people enjoy that sort of thing.
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.24 09:22:00 - [67] Originally by: kublai So, BoB has more fighters in delve than the coalition, and this should tarnish their reputation in comparison to the coalition? Ofcourse not. Well done to them for pulling together the numbers. I just want to dispel the myth that they are always fighting outnumbered. They aren't, especially in a home system like NOL where the IRC battlecry works pretty well :) Anyways, hats off to them. --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life"
kublai Art of War	Posted - 2008.02.24 09:41:00 - [68] Edited by: kublai on 24/02/2008 09:43:47 Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: kublai So, BoB has more fighters in delve than the coalition, and this should tarnish their reputation in comparison to the coalition? Ofcourse not. Well done to them for pulling together the numbers. I just want to dispel the myth that they are always fighting outnumbered. They aren't, especially in a home system like NOL where the IRC battlecry works pretty well :) Anyways, hats off to them. Well, I think when people state that bob fight outnumbered, they mean in sheer mass of people against them, not so much in system logged on, large part of the battle here is getting what men you have available to make themselves available, it would seem that the coalition has begun to lose some momentum here, people are sick of losing ship after ship, hearing their leaders shout "we dont care, bring it on!" while their wallets diminish. So I don't really see a myth to be dispelled, other than the image of the coalition as what it was when this began, because whether you kick bob out or not, you have to admit, the coalition has begun to get ***s in quite a few places. Edith: *** is a well known lower class drug inhaled trough a pipe very popular in the u.s.a, it is also something that can occur when you step on thin ice, hammer a concrete block or gather a coalition under the goon banner. CCP profanity filter, I give it a 3 out of 8 stars rating ------ Art of War is recruiting - Think you got what it takes? Buying sig - eve-mail "Jonny 101"
Quartex Gallente Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.24 10:11:00 - [69] Originally by: kublai Edited by: kublai on 24/02/2008 09:43:47 Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: kublai So, BoB has more fighters in delve than the coalition, and this should tarnish their reputation in comparison to the coalition? Ofcourse not. Well done to them for pulling together the numbers. I just want to dispel the myth that they are always fighting outnumbered. They aren't, especially in a home system like NOL where the IRC battlecry works pretty well :) Anyways, hats off to them. Well, I think when people state that bob fight outnumbered, they mean in sheer mass of people against them, not so much in system logged on, large part of the battle here is getting what men you have available to make themselves available, it would seem that the coalition has begun to lose some momentum here, people are sick of losing ship after ship, hearing their leaders shout "we dont care, bring it on!" while their wallets diminish. So I don't really see a myth to be dispelled, other than the image of the coalition as what it was when this began, because whether you kick bob out or not, you have to admit, the coalition has begun to get ***s in quite a few places. Edith: *** is a well known lower class drug inhaled trough a pipe very popular in the u.s.a, it is also something that can occur when you step on thin ice, hammer a concrete block or gather a coalition under the goon banner. CCP profanity filter, I give it a 3 out of 8 stars rating Hmmmmzz Kublai, I smell 2 accounts here ;-) . Otherwise interesting observations from someone operating quite a distance from where the fighting is happening and who is not in BoB, or the Coalition. Admittedly though you're having more fun in low sec than some of us are in Fleet actions with the lag monster. Can some more X13 types post so we can get back on the rails?!
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.24 10:14:00 - [70] Originally by: kublai Well, I think when people state that bob fight outnumbered, they mean in sheer mass of people against them, not so much in system logged on, large part of the battle here is getting what men you have available to make themselves available, it would seem that the coalition has begun to lose some momentum here, people are sick of losing ship after ship, hearing their leaders shout "we dont care, bring it on!" while their wallets diminish. So I don't really see a myth to be dispelled, other than the image of the coalition as what it was when this began, because whether you kick bob out or not, you have to admit, the coalition has begun to get *****s in quite a few places. As much as I'd like to dispute the fact that we've lost momentum, I can't. We took 5 stations the first week of the delve offense. Those 5 were an amazing success I had never even thought possible. Since then we haven't taken any. Not to mention that, we've been beaten comprehensively in NOL. I can understand that every fanboy here looks upon it as a BOB victory when our progress is stalled but that's abit shortsighted. This war is finished when one of the combatants don't have any space. We have alot of space to fall back on and alot of cynojammed systems to grind bob in. They have one capital still and that capital has 8 CSAA's, 7 active or so. It's getting crowded in there. :) We have 12+ regions of them and are probably outbuilding them by several factors now. Logistics and Industrial capacity wins wars according to BOB. So, so what if we didn't manage to take NOL at the first try? We'll try again, again, again. Time is, more than ever, on our side, unless ofcourse something drastic happens which it always seems to in EVE. Some event that rolls this upside down and then we just have to go again :) --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life"
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2008.02.24 10:29:00 - [71] Originally by: Fred0 This war is finished when one of the combatants don't have any space. That is not correct I think. The war is over when one side stops fightig - for whatever reason. Originally by: Fred0 Time is, more than ever, on our side Again I think that is not correct. It will become more and more difficult for the coalition to get their people into fighting over one system - losing battle after battle. Being lagged to hell and back. Especially when there are no other victories or sucesses anywhere else, how could there be if all the stations and systems will be gone? No, I think with time coalition will get VERY bored, actually they are already. Besides there will be always people who will take advantage of folks not being home and defending properly.
Quisten Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.24 10:58:00 - [72] Originally by: Fred0 Stuff Interesting little morale blog you wrote there.
kublai Art of War	Posted - 2008.02.24 11:11:00 - [73] I am not an alt of anyone on either side of this conflict, nor do I own any alts who are, I do have another character that is somewhat known by the name of "Jonny 101", I am a diplomat for Art of War and acted as a Diplomat towards BoB in the past when we were in 0.0, I know directors in IAC, BoB, Goons and other alliances involved here so as such I think I have a half decent overview, I am not paying close attention but I get the rough features and call it the way I see it. I truly do respect all those who go to aid bob at the moment, not because I have such a zealous love for bob, in fact, when this conflict began I hoped they would lose so to create more chaos and less mega-napping in 0.0 (I never liked the bob pets, pets, not the bob allies, there is a distinctive difference, you all have pets, I know, I spend my days killing them, and you all know they can't pvp for ****). However early on I saw how things began to develop, and I did not like it, I have seen this before in other games and it does not end well, to me a good ending is war on every damn front there is, what we're ending up with here are polarized mega-powers so large that war will soon become unthinkable, and no, shooing out pets like kos or dmc is not war. So, why am I not down fighting for bob? Honestly, I just don't like lag, what me and my corp mates like are lag free fights involving advanced tactics and hilarious intel ts recordings from your pets FC's (log off log off, stay logged off!) the latter, is obviously a RA pet. So, I won't be going down to aid bob, but seeing as how this is CAOD, and there is no way I can mess it up more than it already is by giving my opinion, and in all honesty I probably kill more of BOTH sides in this war than the majority of alt posters and random smackers in here, I will just toss some opinions out there :) Those opinions, happen to be very pro bob, not that they are assured to win, but that they are by far the side I support. ------ Art of War is recruiting - Think you got what it takes? Buying sig - eve-mail "Jonny 101"
Agent2 Holtze Amarr x13	Posted - 2008.02.24 11:44:00 - [74] Originally by: Aramark Agent2 Holtze needs to post or it didn't happen. on a side note, good luck x13. And there shall be light! Posting and you!
Future Thing Ninja Warriors of the Round Table	Posted - 2008.02.24 12:13:00 - [75] Originally by: kublai I am not an alt of anyone on either side of this conflict, nor do I own any alts who are, I do have another character that is somewhat known by the name of "Jonny 101", I am a diplomat for Art of War and acted as a Diplomat towards BoB in the past when we were in 0.0, I know directors in IAC, BoB, Goons and other alliances involved here so as such I think I have a half decent overview, I am not paying close attention but I get the rough features and call it the way I see it. I truly do respect all those who go to aid bob at the moment, not because I have such a zealous love for bob, in fact, when this conflict began I hoped they would lose so to create more chaos and less mega-napping in 0.0 (I never liked the bob pets, pets, not the bob allies, there is a distinctive difference, you all have pets, I know, I spend my days killing them, and you all know they can't pvp for ****). However early on I saw how things began to develop, and I did not like it, I have seen this before in other games and it does not end well, to me a good ending is war on every damn front there is, what we're ending up with here are polarized mega-powers so large that war will soon become unthinkable, and no, shooing out pets like kos or dmc is not war. So, why am I not down fighting for bob? Honestly, I just don't like lag, what me and my corp mates like are lag free fights involving advanced tactics and hilarious intel ts recordings from your pets FC's (log off log off, stay logged off!) the latter, is obviously a RA pet. So, I won't be going down to aid bob, but seeing as how this is CAOD, and there is no way I can mess it up more than it already is by giving my opinion, and in all honesty I probably kill more of BOTH sides in this war than the majority of alt posters and random smackers in here, I will just toss some opinions out there :) Those opinions, happen to be very pro bob, not that they are assured to win, but that they are by far the side I support. Nice post (y). It's a shame the goon CAOD ban won't last long and posts like yours will be swallowed in drivel.
Luthien Firefoot Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.02.24 12:52:00 - [76] Edited by: Luthien Firefoot on 24/02/2008 12:53:31 Gnulpie Again I think that is not correct. It will become more and more difficult for the coalition to get their people into fighting over one system - losing battle after battle. Being lagged to hell and back. Especially when there are no other victories or sucesses anywhere else, how could there be if all the stations and systems will be gone? No, I think with time coalition will get VERY bored, actually they are already. Besides there will be always people who will take advantage of folks not being home and defending properly. Did you buy this account from someone ? Seems to me I remember your character name, but I don't remember you shuffling along on your knees behind BOb, defending them and trying to pick up the crumbs they drop from their burgers. Or maybe you just had a lobotomy.
End Yourself Core Domination Big Bang Quantum	Posted - 2008.02.24 13:07:00 - [77] Edited by: End Yourself on 24/02/2008 13:07:17 Originally by: Agent2 Holtze Originally by: Aramark Agent2 Holtze needs to post or it didn't happen. on a side note, good luck x13. And there shall be laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag! Fixed it for you luv! --- Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity.
Cletus Graeme Caldari Bladerunners Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.02.24 13:26:00 - [78] Edited by: Cletus Graeme on 24/02/2008 13:26:29 Originally by: kublai BLAH BLAH BLAH Post away - this is is COAD afterall. No one cares about your opinion since you aren't involved, and the lame excuse that you don't like lag is just that. The rest of us must all love lag of course, which is why the coalition and the GBC are in Delve fighting it every week :D So must x13, since rather than just whine on COAD, they chose to actually get involved. But you just keep camping Uemon and deluding yourself that you're doing something significant. Kudos to x13 for joining the fight and well done BoB for with defending Delve so well. Let's hope the war continues to be fun despite the lag issues.
kublai Art of War	Posted - 2008.02.24 13:39:00 - [79] Originally by: Cletus Graeme Edited by: Cletus Graeme on 24/02/2008 13:26:29 Originally by: kublai BLAH BLAH BLAH Post away - this is is COAD afterall. No one cares about your opinion since you aren't involved, and the lame excuse that you don't like lag is just that. The rest of us must all love lag of course, which is why the coalition and the GBC are in Delve fighting it every week :D So must x13, since rather than just whine on COAD, they chose to actually get involved. But you just keep camping Uemon and deluding yourself that you're doing something significant. Kudos to x13 for joining the fight and well done BoB for with defending Delve so well. Let's hope the war continues to be fun despite the lag issues. It's funny, not that you completely disregard what I write, but that you're here beating on us while one of your alliance mates is begging my alt to return the 800 million isk I just scammed from him. See i'm selfish, I don't care enough about bob to lag myself to death for them, they give me no profit. Dumb iron guys however, now they are profitable, thx for the new paladin. ------ Art of War is recruiting - Think you got what it takes? Buying sig - eve-mail "Jonny 101"
MAXSuicide Cosmic Fusion When Fat Kids Attack	Posted - 2008.02.24 14:01:00 - [80] Originally by: Vanessa LaiDai Maybe BoB won't take a giant dump on their new ally's chest like the rest of their allies. That or maybe these x13 people enjoy that sort of thing. You obviously dont know the danes too well.
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2008.02.24 14:04:00 - [81] Originally by: Luthien Firefoot Did you buy this account from someone ? Seems to me I remember your character name... Resorting to personal attacks now? Your attack would be much more powerful if you could come up with ARGUMENTS instead of insults. But what can I expect? That is exactly the behavious which I dislike and always disliked. 2 years ago it was BoB, they changed now a bit (at least on the forums ), only to be replaced by goons and 'allies' like IRON. No, time is not running in favour of the coalition and if you think different and want to post go ahead and try some arguments.
Ventosus x13	Posted - 2008.02.24 14:15:00 - [82] Thanks for the comments. Delve is a nice place. And i see only success ahead of os. In regards to lag, well.. Lag has been a free feature of all our accounts for years. ............... I will win Eve
Crax McGee Quam Singulari	Posted - 2008.02.24 14:18:00 - [83] max/daily/goo. let me kno if you need any guys for ur tourny team xx
Ishamel 1 Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.02.24 14:20:00 - [84] Originally by: Fred0 This war is finished when one of the combatants don't have any space. So razor are in it to the death then? Just gonna save that for later, wonder who else in the coalition can say that? Goons obviously, they don't actually have any other reason for existing.
Quartex Gallente Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.24 14:29:00 - [85] Originally by: kublai I am not an alt of anyone on either side of this conflict, nor do I own any alts who are, I do have another character that is somewhat known by the name of "Jonny 101", I am a diplomat for Art of War and acted as a Diplomat towards BoB in the past when we were in 0.0, I know directors in IAC, BoB, Goons and other alliances involved here so as such I think I have a half decent overview, I am not paying close attention but I get the rough features and call it the way I see it. I truly do respect all those who go to aid bob at the moment, not because I have such a zealous love for bob, in fact, when this conflict began I hoped they would lose so to create more chaos and less mega-napping in 0.0 (I never liked the bob pets, pets, not the bob allies, there is a distinctive difference, you all have pets, I know, I spend my days killing them, and you all know they can't pvp for ****). However early on I saw how things began to develop, and I did not like it, I have seen this before in other games and it does not end well, to me a good ending is war on every damn front there is, what we're ending up with here are polarized mega-powers so large that war will soon become unthinkable, and no, shooing out pets like kos or dmc is not war. So, why am I not down fighting for bob? Honestly, I just don't like lag, what me and my corp mates like are lag free fights involving advanced tactics and hilarious intel ts recordings from your pets FC's (log off log off, stay logged off!) the latter, is obviously a RA pet. So, I won't be going down to aid bob, but seeing as how this is CAOD, and there is no way I can mess it up more than it already is by giving my opinion, and in all honesty I probably kill more of BOTH sides in this war than the majority of alt posters and random smackers in here, I will just toss some opinions out there :) Those opinions, happen to be very pro bob, not that they are assured to win, but that they are by far the side I support. An honest response m8 .. thanks. Don't worry about mega Alliances, in the years I've played this game things have remained pretty fluid in so far as who gets the upper hand and who gets to crow on COAD. I cannot see an outright win for BoB, or the Coalition, which I should imagine is the best outcome for neutrals :) but I can see why you might choose to move your favour according to how the balance is moving. As you say, we share a common enemy at the moment, which is lag and I really wasn't belittling your choice to play in low sec, where you can hone roaming/camping techniques and see them working lag free. This = FUN! Sadly if lag doesn't get fixed then immovable power blocks (whatever they are named) will only become more immovable ~ sovereignty needs fixing.
Lazuran Gallente Time And ISK Sink Corporation	Posted - 2008.02.24 14:34:00 - [86] Originally by: Fred0 So, so what if we didn't manage to take NOL at the first try? We'll try again, again, again. Time is, more than ever, on our side, unless ofcourse something drastic happens which it always seems to in EVE. Some event that rolls this upside down and then we just have to go again Just how many BS can you squeeze into NOL before the server crashes? How do you take down a cyno jammer when BoB has 10+ titans and 50+ motherships on standby (which is a matter of time), in order to bring your superior number of caps/supercaps into NOL? Seems to me that BoB is exploiting the practical server limitations ...
Map Screen Flat Earth Society Derek Knows Us	Posted - 2008.02.24 14:37:00 - [87] Originally by: Vanessa LaiDai Maybe BoB won't take a giant dump on their new ally's chest like the rest of their allies. That or maybe these x13 people enjoy that sort of thing. They're german right?
kublai Art of War	Posted - 2008.02.24 14:48:00 - [88] Actually, AWAR pvps by far mostly in 0.0, IRON's 0.0 to be completely specific I do not only root for bob due to a changing balance though, make no mistake, I am an elitist bastard who looks down upon the low sp hordes, well, most of them anyway, some are cute (hi intigo!). Basicly, awar goes where there is fun and isk to be had, we score 300-400 kills per week and no, that's not camping a low sec gate. These kills are -all- lag free and we are able to engage superiour forces and defeat them trough use of superiour tactics, something most of you 0.0 alliances cannot hope to do because the sheer amount of lag down in the south prevents it. The closest thing to advanced tactics in the south, is fleet movement and how individual players handle lag and combat dicipline. ------ Art of War is recruiting - Think you got what it takes? Buying sig - eve-mail "Jonny 101"
Mei Han Gallente Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.24 14:49:00 - [89] For the lag. Well if an alliance can online 200 ppl with caps what is going to do? Force them to stay docked so that the system does not lag? Pros to bob that can field so many pilots even outside thier primetime. As far as fights are considered tho, i can't say that ,droping 10 moms and 5 carriers on a conventional BS fleet, is called Good fight. Not because the conventional fleet is overpowered, but because they will have no chance doing anything due to lag. Maybe 400 fighters camping a gate is called good fight, what do i know? Am a noob after all. To x13, Welcome to Delve i hope we have nice lag/smack-free fights.
HEY LISTEN i swear this is true	Posted - 2008.02.24 14:51:00 - [90] Originally by: Lazuran Seems to me that BoB is exploiting the practical server limitations ... Considering that the coalition has been doing that since day 1 if BOB are now doing it you can hardly complain. Marakor for godhood
Hannobaal Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.24 14:54:00 - [91] Originally by: kublai Actually, AWAR pvps by far mostly in 0.0, IRON's 0.0 to be completely specific I do not only root for bob due to a changing balance though, make no mistake, I am an elitist bastard who looks down upon the low sp hordes, well, most of them anyway, some are cute (hi intigo!). At this point I have to say that I absolutely loved watching Agony completely wipe the floor with Cult of War in the last alliance tournament (and not just because I was in Agony at the time).
kublai Art of War	Posted - 2008.02.24 14:57:00 - [92] Edited by: kublai on 24/02/2008 14:57:17 Originally by: Hannobaal Originally by: kublai Actually, AWAR pvps by far mostly in 0.0, IRON's 0.0 to be completely specific I do not only root for bob due to a changing balance though, make no mistake, I am an elitist bastard who looks down upon the low sp hordes, well, most of them anyway, some are cute (hi intigo!). At this point I have to say that I absolutely loved watching Agony completely wipe the floor with Cult of War in the last alliance tournament (and not just because I was in Agony at the time). Goons getting the goon treatment I retort with something a little more representative than 10 guys hurridly put together for fun My dear goon,, you may now go back to your hole. ------ Art of War is recruiting - Think you got what it takes? Buying sig - eve-mail "Jonny 101"
Hannobaal Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.24 15:02:00 - [93] Originally by: kublai Edited by: kublai on 24/02/2008 14:57:17 Originally by: Hannobaal Originally by: kublai Actually, AWAR pvps by far mostly in 0.0, IRON's 0.0 to be completely specific I do not only root for bob due to a changing balance though, make no mistake, I am an elitist bastard who looks down upon the low sp hordes, well, most of them anyway, some are cute (hi intigo!). At this point I have to say that I absolutely loved watching Agony completely wipe the floor with Cult of War in the last alliance tournament (and not just because I was in Agony at the time). Goons getting the goon treatment I retort with something a little more representative than 10 guys hurridly put together for fun My dear goon,, you may now go back to your hole. I'm sorry that I somehow gave you the impression that I would be someone interested in watching one of your e-peen stroking videos. I didn't mean to.
kublai Art of War	Posted - 2008.02.24 15:05:00 - [94] I'm sorry, you gave the impression you wanted to point out an incident where CoW managed to lose..10 ships? I just felt like pointing out an incident where you lost a few hundred to us and our cow friends ------ Art of War is recruiting - Think you got what it takes? Buying sig - eve-mail "Jonny 101"
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.24 15:05:00 - [95] Originally by: HEY LISTEN Defining winning as taking away ppls space is a little shortsighted considering goons and your own history for that matter. Admitedly BOB does not have MM space to hide in until the bad men go away but the fact is that unless you scatter the membership of BOB all you are doing is wasting your time by blobbing their space off them. I would have thought RAZOR out of all the alliances in EVE would understand that taking somebodys space is hardly winning but then i suppose now its you on the offensive you need summat tangible to declare victory about. Needless to say this is correct. :) I was just becomeing abit long winded already and when I bring those parts it up it ****s up the thread so lets focus on territory first ok? --- "Cutting Edge 4 Life"
Hannobaal Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.24 15:06:00 - [96] Originally by: kublai I'm sorry, you gave the impression you wanted to point out an incident where CoW managed to lose..10 ships? No, I just wanted to point out that I enjoyed watching it.
kublai Art of War	Posted - 2008.02.24 15:13:00 - [97] Originally by: Hannobaal Originally by: kublai I'm sorry, you gave the impression you wanted to point out an incident where CoW managed to lose..10 ships? No, I just wanted to point out that I enjoyed watching it. Well I enjoy watching you guys die too, and if I got my stats right, I have had, and will keep having a lot more enjoyment than you'll ever see ------ Art of War is recruiting - Think you got what it takes? Buying sig - eve-mail "Jonny 101"
HEY LISTEN i swear this is true	Posted - 2008.02.24 15:16:00 - [98] Edited by: HEY LISTEN on 24/02/2008 15:19:49 Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: HEY LISTEN Defining winning as taking away ppls space is a little shortsighted considering goons and your own history for that matter. Admitedly BOB does not have MM space to hide in until the bad men go away but the fact is that unless you scatter the membership of BOB all you are doing is wasting your time by blobbing their space off them. I would have thought RAZOR out of all the alliances in EVE would understand that taking somebodys space is hardly winning but then i suppose now its you on the offensive you need summat tangible to declare victory about. Needless to say this is correct. :) I was just becomeing abit long winded already and when I bring those parts it up it ****s up the thread so lets focus on territory first ok? Your focusing on terratory because its all you think your blob is good for and although thats mostly the truth you should realy use it better. Your focusing on taking all the space off BOB and that is a mistake imho as leaving them a little bit of space (so you know where they are) and wearing them down so their members leave the alliance is what you should be doing if you realy wanna beat them and destroy the alliance itself. But considering your attendance issues and other factors i suppose declaring victory after you remove BOB sov from all the systems in eve and ignoring the fact that your members will hardly be willing to chase them all over eve proly seems better in the short term. Marakor for godhood
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2008.02.24 15:24:00 - [99] Originally by: Luthien Firefoot so you bought the account, thanks for clearing that up for us. You are somehow funny. But since you continue to urge this, no I didn't buy that account, it is my own from the beginning on. But probably you will throw dirty now at me and won't believe me anyway shrugs Why should I care, I don't. I know this behaviour from BoB in the past (gladly that changed), now I know it from goons and iron. And to X13, have fun and be lag free. But maybe in other places you would do more damage to the coalition and would have much less lag.
Ivor Gunn No One Expects The Spanish Inquisition	Posted - 2008.02.24 15:55:00 - [100] Originally by: Hannobaal Originally by: kublai I'm sorry, you gave the impression you wanted to point out an incident where CoW managed to lose..10 ships? No, I just wanted to point out that I enjoyed watching it. Hahahaha, look at the little pubbie squirm.
MAXSuicide Cosmic Fusion When Fat Kids Attack	Posted - 2008.02.24 18:27:00 - [101] Originally by: Crax McGee max/daily/goo. let me kno if you need any guys for ur tourny team xx goo's on an oilrig somewhere in the north sea right now.. talk to daily ;)
Joker47	Posted - 2008.02.24 19:19:00 - [102] Tread derailing lvl 5
Gumpy Nighthawk Amarr Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.24 19:24:00 - [103] Originally by: HEY LISTEN Edited by: HEY LISTEN on 24/02/2008 15:19:49 Originally by: Fred0 Originally by: HEY LISTEN Defining winning as taking away ppls space is a little shortsighted considering goons and your own history for that matter. Admitedly BOB does not have MM space to hide in until the bad men go away but the fact is that unless you scatter the membership of BOB all you are doing is wasting your time by blobbing their space off them. I would have thought RAZOR out of all the alliances in EVE would understand that taking somebodys space is hardly winning but then i suppose now its you on the offensive you need summat tangible to declare victory about. Needless to say this is correct. :) I was just becomeing abit long winded already and when I bring those parts it up it ****s up the thread so lets focus on territory first ok? Your focusing on terratory because its all you think your blob is good for and although thats mostly the truth you should realy use it better. Your focusing on taking all the space off BOB and that is a mistake imho as leaving them a little bit of space (so you know where they are) and wearing them down so their members leave the alliance is what you should be doing if you realy wanna beat them and destroy the alliance itself. But considering your attendance issues and other factors i suppose declaring victory after you remove BOB sov from all the systems in eve and ignoring the fact that your members will hardly be willing to chase them all over eve proly seems better in the short term. Man we should really hire you, your ideas are so awesome.....
Kilostream Caldari Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.24 22:51:00 - [104] Originally by: HEY LISTEN ....i suppose declaring victory after you remove BOB sov from all the systems in eve and ignoring the fact that your members will hardly be willing to chase them all over eve proly seems better in the short term.... I'm not in anything even approaching a command position in the coalition, so I don't really know if you're right or wrong but, from a purely logical viewpoint I'd say that declaring victory after removing sov is the only time it [victory] can really be declared, as there's no other solid point of reference at this stage. What I mean by that is (if you were to take BoBs losing of all it's space as a given for the sake of argument), then what comes after cannot safely be predicted (by someone in the coalition, at least). BoB could disband, it could stay together, it could shake off the GBC and restructure itself as a smaller, more manageable entity, it could re-take some of the same or other territory on a smaller scale, or go straight for broke and try to build another empire like they had six months ago - any number of possibilities emerge after the sov is gone, so whether or not the coalition would be able or willing to "chase them all over eve" is a moot point. So, if you wouldn't focus on the territory, and declare victory when there is no sov left.......when would YOU do it? I know I'm biased, but I think Fred0's got not only the right focus, but the only focus it's reasonable to have, given the circumstances.
HEY LISTEN i swear this is true	Posted - 2008.02.24 23:13:00 - [105] Edited by: HEY LISTEN on 24/02/2008 23:14:58 Originally by: Kilostream So, if you wouldn't focus on the territory, and declare victory when there is no sov left.......when would YOU do it? I know I'm biased, but I think Fred0's got not only the right focus, but the only focus it's reasonable to have, given the circumstances. The only time victory can be truly claimed is when BOB disbands and disperses until then you have not destroyed them you have only displaced them. Marakor for godhood
Kilostream Caldari Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.25 01:20:00 - [106] Originally by: HEY LISTEN ....The only time victory can be truly claimed is when BOB disbands and disperses until then you have not destroyed them you have only displaced them.... I thought about it, but I'm not sure I agree with that - to quote a relevant historical example, when the MC train came around last year and RZR lost Tenal I think it's fair to say they were victorious, because they met their objective and beat us on the battlefield on the day. Simply because RZR stayed together as a unit and were able to salvage something in the aftermath would seem poor grounds to deny that MC + entourage had achieved a victory. More recently with FIX too - Querious was the objective, it fell and I don't think it's unfair to pigeonhole that in the "coalition victories" category purely because FIX as an entity is still in existence today.
thoth foc Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2008.02.25 01:31:00 - [107] Originally by: Kilostream Originally by: HEY LISTEN ....The only time victory can be truly claimed is when BOB disbands and disperses until then you have not destroyed them you have only displaced them.... I thought about it, but I'm not sure I agree with that - to quote a relevant historical example, when the MC train came around last year and RZR lost Tenal I think it's fair to say they were victorious, because they met their objective and beat us on the battlefield on the day. The mistake you are making is thinking tenal was the objective.. The objective is always to make the opponent feel defeated.. _________________________ xMenta (DSMA) xBOS (CA) ATUK (.5.) DICE (BOB) xElcyion Lacar
HEY LISTEN i swear this is true	Posted - 2008.02.25 01:33:00 - [108] Edited by: HEY LISTEN on 25/02/2008 01:33:59 Originally by: Kilostream Originally by: HEY LISTEN ....The only time victory can be truly claimed is when BOB disbands and disperses until then you have not destroyed them you have only displaced them.... I thought about it, but I'm not sure I agree with that - to quote a relevant historical example, when the MC train came around last year and RZR lost Tenal I think it's fair to say they were victorious, because they met their objective and beat us on the battlefield on the day. Simply because RZR stayed together as a unit and were able to salvage something in the aftermath would seem poor grounds to deny that MC + entourage had achieved a victory. More recently with FIX too - Querious was the objective, it fell and I don't think it's unfair to pigeonhole that in the "coalition victories" category purely because FIX as an entity is still in existence today. So you will have been victorious in achieving an objective in the war too destroy BOB, im sure it will make all the ppl who wanna go home (like MM and others already have) very happy and give them summat to cheer about on caod when you do it. Marakor for godhood
rValdez5987 Amarr Killed In Action The Crimson Federation	Posted - 2008.02.25 05:00:00 - [109] Until BoB has been disbanded, how can you call it a victory.. You know as well as I, that your only borrowing their space. As long as they exist im sure they will keep making pushes and keep a hold on 0.0 territory somewhere in eve. All I gotta say is, if they do get removed from delve completely, the smaller alliances in the north better watch out.
Hannobaal Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.25 07:36:00 - [110] Originally by: HEY LISTEN Edited by: HEY LISTEN on 24/02/2008 23:14:58 Originally by: Kilostream So, if you wouldn't focus on the territory, and declare victory when there is no sov left.......when would YOU do it? I know I'm biased, but I think Fred0's got not only the right focus, but the only focus it's reasonable to have, given the circumstances. The only time victory can be truly claimed is when BOB disbands and disperses until then you have not destroyed them you have only displaced them. Destroying and defeating are completely different things. A displaced BoB is a defeated BoB. They are, and have always been, a territory holding alliance, not a nomadic one raiding here and there. Without their territory BoB is not BoB as they have always existed before. There is no other way to measure the success of a territorial alliance except in the territory they hold. And in either case why would anyone in the Coalition even care about a BoB alliance hanging out in empire or in some npc region in 0.0? That doesn't mean that they can't come back and take new territory after that (although I seriously doubt they will), but it doesn't change the fact that they will be defeated when they lose all their territory.
HEY LISTEN i swear this is true	Posted - 2008.02.25 09:42:00 - [111] Edited by: HEY LISTEN on 25/02/2008 09:44:18 Originally by: Hannobaal Originally by: HEY LISTEN Originally by: Kilostream So, if you wouldn't focus on the territory, and declare victory when there is no sov left.......when would YOU do it? I know I'm biased, but I think Fred0's got not only the right focus, but the only focus it's reasonable to have, given the circumstances. The only time victory can be truly claimed is when BOB disbands and disperses until then you have not destroyed them you have only displaced them. Destroying and defeating are completely different things. A displaced BoB is a defeated BoB. And in either case why would anyone in the Coalition even care about a BoB alliance hanging out in empire or in some npc region in 0.0?. Id say that BOB are hardly the standard wandering pvp corp or alliance as they have a huge capital fleet and several titans. GOONS and others have been out to kill BOB from the start of the offensive and now your coalition is showing signs of wear you are redefining victory as summat that you think you can actually achieve with your mega nap before more ppl go home. Let me guess... your using the one last big push speech?. I suppose BOB did redefine its objectives when it became clear that your blob had no in game skillful solution so i suppose you needed to redefine winning when you realised that all you can do is blob their systems off them. Marakor for godhood
Luthien Firefoot Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.02.25 12:59:00 - [112] Originally by: Gnulpie Originally by: Luthien Firefoot so you bought the account, thanks for clearing that up for us. You are somehow funny. But since you continue to urge this, no I didn't buy that account, it is my own from the beginning on. But probably you will throw dirty now at me and won't believe me anyway shrugs Why should I care, I don't. I know this behaviour from BoB in the past (gladly that changed), now I know it from goons and iron. And to X13, have fun and be lag free. But maybe in other places you would do more damage to the coalition and would have much less lag. ok, so you bought the account and don't wanna admit it, that's fine as well, just don't insult everyones intelligence by trying to pretend that you used to hate bob, but now they are so nice and so now you hate goons coz they are evil. It's so obivious you're a bob or fanbois, it's kinda funny really.
HoIIy Smoke eXceed Inc. eXceed.	Posted - 2008.02.25 16:10:00 - [113] does it really matter which of you lot wins or loses as long as you are all targets? as for X13 welcome to the playground.
Hannobaal Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.25 16:14:00 - [114] Edited by: Hannobaal on 25/02/2008 16:16:15 Originally by: HEY LISTEN Id say that BOB are hardly the standard wandering pvp corp or alliance as they have a huge capital fleet and several titans. GOONS and others have been out to kill BOB from the start of the offensive and now your coalition is showing signs of wear you are redefining victory as summat that you think you can actually achieve with your mega nap before more ppl go home. Let me guess... your using the one last big push speech?. I suppose BOB did redefine its objectives when it became clear that your blob had no in game skillful solution so i suppose you needed to redefine winning when you realised that all you can do is blob their systems off them. No one is redifining any objectives, and there's hardly any "sign of wear". BoB are 5 station systems short of what they had before the offensive started. Of the station systems we've tried to take so far only one siege has failed and that's NOL. That's it. The other systems have all fallen. BoB have not regained (or even tried to regain) any of the systems they've lost. And the only reason NOL didn't fall is because we didn't have the participation (or the "blob" as people like you put it). BoB, on the other hand, did have the "blob". No one can make BoB disband as an alliance except BoB. It is not possible in this game, with the game mechanics we have, to force an alliance to cease to exist. To say that BoB is not defeated until they disband is bizarre. It that was the case there'd be no point in fighting them at all. The only ones here redefining the victory conditions are BoB fan boys like you because BoB losing turns your whole elitist world view upside down or something.... BoB may disband as a result of losing the war and being pushed out of 0.0. Or they may not. But that's a whole different issue.
Amorphia Caldari NeXuS' DaRkNesS	Posted - 2008.02.25 16:15:00 - [115] Edited by: Amorphia on 25/02/2008 16:17:23 Originally by: Lasakywa You have the choice to fight in lagfest or not..And you chose lagfest..Mmkay, good luck have fun there I guess , Vent is fearing now Mass Weapon of disuasion...Good luck ------- From The Craddle To Your Grave ! -------
HEY LISTEN i swear this is true	Posted - 2008.02.25 16:30:00 - [116] Originally by: Hannobaal The only ones here redefining the victory conditions are BoB fan boys like you because BoB losing turns your whole elitist world view upside down or something.... BoB may disband as a result of losing the war and being pushed out of 0.0. Or they may not. But that's a whole different issue. Im not revising or redefining anything in fact im basing my points on history in fact yours and other alliances history at that ffs. If you wanna go down the road BOB did when they kicked the crap out of you then go ahead and say "there is no BOB" or other "victory chants" the wording is not important the fact that you have not won until they have disbanded is and you know it. Marakor for godhood
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.25 16:35:00 - [117] Originally by: Hannobaal Destroying and defeating are completely different things. A displaced BoB is a defeated BoB. They are, and have always been, a territory holding alliance, not a nomadic one raiding here and there. Learn your history, because your statement is uneducated and false. Reikoku Diplomatic Forums
Hannobaal Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.25 16:46:00 - [118] Edited by: Hannobaal on 25/02/2008 16:46:21 Originally by: HEY LISTEN If you wanna go down the road BOB did when they kicked the crap out of you then go ahead and say "there is no BOB" Why would I do that? I'm not an idiot. (Also, BoB never kicked the crap out of me. Actually, even though I instinctively disliked BoB as an alliance from the very beginning when I started playing little more than a year ago, I didn't even know that part of the story of what they did to Goons until a few months ago when I joined Igneus. ) Quote: the wording is not important the fact that you have not won until they have disbanded is and you know it. If you insist on defining the victory conditions for the war in such a way so that defeating BoB is not possible (unless they do it to themselves), then go right ahead. It's not like it makes any real difference.
BitchInCharge Head-Hunters	Posted - 2008.02.25 16:50:00 - [119] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Hannobaal Destroying and defeating are completely different things. A displaced BoB is a defeated BoB. They are, and have always been, a territory holding alliance, not a nomadic one raiding here and there. Learn your history, because your statement is false. Originally by: Hannobaal I'm not an idiot.
HEY LISTEN i swear this is true	Posted - 2008.02.25 17:57:00 - [120] Edited by: HEY LISTEN on 25/02/2008 17:58:31 Originally by: Hannobaal If you insist on defining the victory conditions for the war in such a way so that defeating BoB is not possible (unless they do it to themselves), then go right ahead. It's not like it makes any real difference. I suggest you check goons history before you start making stupid claims as im defining victory conditions exactly how goons defined them when BOB removed all the sov they had. Marakor for godhood
Hannobaal Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.25 18:15:00 - [121] Originally by: HEY LISTEN Edited by: HEY LISTEN on 25/02/2008 17:58:31 Originally by: Hannobaal If you insist on defining the victory conditions for the war in such a way so that defeating BoB is not possible (unless they do it to themselves), then go right ahead. It's not like it makes any real difference. I suggest you check goons history before you start making stupid claims as im defining victory conditions exactly how goons defined them when BOB removed all the sov they had. Ummm, the only ones who have sovereignity in Syndicate are... the Syndicate. And Goons WERE defeated back then. Anyone saying anything else, then or now, is spouting crap. But they were not destroyed. And then they came back.
HEY LISTEN i swear this is true	Posted - 2008.02.25 18:30:00 - [122] Edited by: HEY LISTEN on 25/02/2008 18:33:58 Originally by: Hannobaal Originally by: HEY LISTEN Originally by: Hannobaal If you insist on defining the victory conditions for the war in such a way so that defeating BoB is not possible (unless they do it to themselves), then go right ahead. It's not like it makes any real difference. I suggest you check goons history before you start making stupid claims as im defining victory conditions exactly how goons defined them when BOB removed all the sov they had. Ummm, the only ones who have sovereignity in Syndicate are... the Syndicate. And Goons WERE defeated back then. Anyone saying anything else, then or now, is spouting crap. But they were not destroyed. And then they came back. If you wanna devide up defeats and wins into little packages so you feel like you have defeated BOB go ahead. GOONS wanna measure victory by terratorial wars so it means you have defeated BOB. BOB will measure it by K/D or battles won so they can claim to defeat you regularly. When your naps have taken BOB's space and they are still around kicking your butt in fleet battles......, while your numbers and naps are suddenly made impotent cos they have no space to blob........, i seriously doubt many ppl apart from your propaganda boys will consider BOB defeated. Marakor for godhood
Hannobaal Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.25 18:34:00 - [123] Edited by: Hannobaal on 25/02/2008 18:34:50 Originally by: HEY LISTEN If you wanna devide up defeats and wins into little packages so you feel like you have defeated BOB go ahead. You wanna measure victory by terratorial wars so it means you have defeated BOB. BOB will measure it by K/D or battles won so they can claim to defeat you regularly. When your naps have taken BOB's space and they are still around kicking your butt in fleet battles, while your numbers and naps are suddenly made impotent cos they have no space to blob, i doubt many apart from your propaganda boys will consider BOB defeated. You're resting on huge assumptions about what will happen when they lose their space based on your lingering belief in the existence of the emperor's clothes. (Hint: He really is naked.)
HEY LISTEN i swear this is true	Posted - 2008.02.25 18:39:00 - [124] Edited by: HEY LISTEN on 25/02/2008 18:47:17 Originally by: Hannobaal Originally by: HEY LISTEN If you wanna devide up defeats and wins into little packages so you feel like you have defeated BOB go ahead. You wanna measure victory by terratorial wars so it means you have defeated BOB. BOB will measure it by K/D or battles won so they can claim to defeat you regularly. When your naps have taken BOB's space and they are still around kicking your butt in fleet battles, while your numbers and naps are suddenly made impotent cos they have no space to blob, i doubt many apart from your propaganda boys will consider BOB defeated. You're resting on huge assumptions about what will happen when they lose their space based on your lingering belief in the existence of the emperor's clothes. (Hint: He really is naked.) Maybe i am but your whole victory relies on them falling apart if they do not your whole nap fest is gonna look exactly how it is, impotent at anything apart from blobbing and breaking the game for space. ps; your metaphor sucks btw as metaphorically naked men cannot kill titans or MS in fact the dude is armoured and armed to the teeth with a huge cap fleet a bottomless wallet and several titans. Marakor for godhood
Tiggus Maximus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.25 20:38:00 - [125] Originally by: Hannobaal And Goons WERE defeated back then. Anyone saying anything else, then or now, is spouting crap. But they were not destroyed. And then they came back. I'm pretty sure quite a few would indeed say this btw, for someone who wasn't around you are presuming a bit much. Our orders at the time were to go ride bikes for a few weeks and play with vcbees, suicide frigs for fun, and in general take a break while bob got bored. I was living about 4-6 jumps from S-U the entire "bob invasion" and ratting/mining with minimal problems. After 3 weeks and they left I was right back to my normal routine, we had a nice little scuffle with BRS(operation revolver) where we had to prove that in fact, there were goons, but then the whole pact with RA came about and was too good of an opportunity to pass up so we moved out. It wasn't because of BoB, only the CAOD superstars would try to convince you of that.
Dracolich Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2008.02.25 20:46:00 - [126] Good luck, Ventosus, and x13. Danish PvP bacon rocks, and the best pork is x13. See you in Warhammer Online eventually. _____________________________________ Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
teko82 Caldari Mark Of Chaos	Posted - 2008.02.26 17:33:00 - [127] Jumped over most of the anti-goon (didn't see any anti-Red) anti-coalition and anti-bob, pretty boring stuff by now.. But nice to see the X's go new ways, just take care of the girls while you play around All I say is at the account of others!
Karunel Princeps Corp T e r c i o s	Posted - 2008.02.26 19:35:00 - [128] Welcome to the 'zone gents. ____ Originally by: elbenito The problem with large fleet engagements is that the hamsters stop to watch.
MAXSuicide Cosmic Fusion When Fat Kids Attack	Posted - 2008.02.26 19:43:00 - [129] Originally by: Dianabolic Edited by: Dianabolic on 25/02/2008 16:44:05 Originally by: Hannobaal Destroying and defeating are completely different things. A displaced BoB is a defeated BoB. They are, and have always been, a territory holding alliance, not a nomadic one raiding here and there. Learn your history, because your statement is false. how come u dont like us diana? mang0o's tried so hard to make amends too..
Tearavygh Quillam Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.26 21:41:00 - [130] Originally by: rValdez5987 You know as well as I, that your only borrowing their space. As long as they exist im sure they will keep making pushes and keep a hold on 0.0 territory somewhere in eve. Making pushes where? In cynojammed systems that they don't own with no base where to hide their supercaps and put them in action? (They were afraid to use their titans even in NOL, without massive backup as we had dreads online and in the system.) That would be a first, because Catch wasn't exactly this. And no, the npc sov systems are useless to be camped and defended, i.e. invoking the PR- lag-fest-cap-fight-whatever is pointless. In spite of what most people think, seing how BoB manages to get around without a stable base would make quite a show. I guess you don't know or pretend to don't know the Ctrl-Q comedy that BoB acted in qy6.
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.26 21:50:00 - [131] Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam Originally by: rValdez5987 You know as well as I, that your only borrowing their space. As long as they exist im sure they will keep making pushes and keep a hold on 0.0 territory somewhere in eve. Making pushes where? In cynojammed systems that they don't own with no base where to hide their supercaps and put them in action? (They were afraid to use their titans even in NOL, without massive backup as we had dreads online and in the system.) That would be a first, because Catch wasn't exactly this. And no, the npc sov systems are useless to be camped and defended, i.e. invoking the PR- lag-fest-cap-fight-whatever is pointless. In spite of what most people think, seing how BoB manages to get around without a stable base would make quite a show. I guess you don't know or pretend to don't know the Ctrl-Q comedy that BoB acted in qy6. Say hi to tyrrax cheers. Reikoku Diplomatic Forums
Commodore Gauss Caldari C0NTAINMENT	Posted - 2008.02.26 23:19:00 - [132] Originally by: Tearavygh Quillam I guess you don't know or pretend to don't know the Ctrl-Q comedy that BoB acted in qy6. CTRL-Q is the real enemy here, honest. And so is being a hypocrite.

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