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Sereifex Daku Intergalactic Squad Celestial Frontier	Posted - 2008.02.24 00:08:00 - [31] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Sereifex Daku Ok, so they have a seperate team for Ambulation..but those resources could have been put towards improving the actual EVE game. Those people had to come from somewhere. I do admit that I've always wanted to be able to walk outside of my ship...but at the same time I fear changes that make EVE more similar to all the other mmorpgs out there. IIRC the ambulation engine is coming from the White Wolf game, which is a completely separate project. It's only the pretty eve-specific pictures that will require extra resources. So yeah, there's some upfront cost. But the idea is that this will attract new players = more resources. Ah, I stand corrected.
NeoTheo Final Conflict UK SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.24 00:15:00 - [32] Originally by: J Mortarius So now CCP are more interested in attracting morons from other online 'games' than improving things for their playerbase. I guess the CCP I fell in love with is dead they dont need ambulation for that, see you posted.
pyr8t Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.02.24 00:21:00 - [33] Ambulation will be a detriment to EVE because it simply doesnÆt augment EVE game play. EVE game play is classified as ôanything other than being dockedö, or piloting for short. Ambulation encourages people not to play EVE because if youÆre docked youÆre not piloting. Thus, youÆre not playing.
Rawr Cristina Caldari Cult of Rawr	Posted - 2008.02.24 00:21:00 - [34] Originally by: J Mortarius If people from WoW, Second Life, etc come here for Ambulation and end up palying in the shaceships as well won't it only be a matter of time before public opinion in EVE radically sways towards boosting reward, decreasing risk and turning everything into fluffy wuffy elves on fluffy wuffy mounts? CCP dosen't need to make the game fluffy to make it appealing. Ambulation is great because it's optional. The same goes for PvP - It's pretty much completely optional as nothing is forcing you out of Hi-sec, so you have the choice to remain there if you wish. The only thing that needs to be maintained is the Risk v Reward system. So long as that's in place, EVE will always be EVE. Vote Dynamic Tax!
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.02.24 00:28:00 - [35] Originally by: pyr8t Ambulation will be a detriment to EVE because it simply doesnÆt augment EVE game play. EVE game play is classified as ôanything other than being dockedö, or piloting for short. Ambulation encourages people not to play EVE because if youÆre docked youÆre not piloting. Thus, youÆre not playing. Fitting, manufacturing, r&d, marketing, scamming, corp management: all station-based activities. IOW you're wrong CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
sableye principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.24 00:28:00 - [36] to be honest thethought of ambulation coming is one of main reasons I am still paying and playing. I can;nt wait to hang about in bars and stuff. Join The Fight With Promo Today View The North Star!
Ernesto Hoost	Posted - 2008.02.24 00:52:00 - [37] Originally by: Malcanis Fitting, manufacturing, r&d, marketing, scamming, corp management: all station-based activities. IOW you're wrong all of those activities involve a quick mouse click then your done. I suppose ambulation will mean it will take far longer to accomplish those activities, walking between locations. Yes, that sounds great. Can't wait to increase the time it takes to log in and out my alts to do something that previously took 1 click.
flashfreaking LFC	Posted - 2008.02.24 00:54:00 - [38] You can still do those stuff with one click, Ambulation is currently only seen as decoration and entertainment for camped in/docked people Disallowed sig graphic. Send an e-mail to [email protected] when it meets the forum signature guidelines. ~Saint
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.02.24 01:02:00 - [39] I wish CCP would postulate some random nerf to a beloved aspect of Eve in a blog so we can have some proper whine threads. TBQFH the current crop are rather lacking. Originally by: MM0RPG EVE Review "if you aren't my friend you are my income."
pyr8t Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.02.24 01:02:00 - [40] Fitting, manufacturing, etc. are station based activities which augment piloting. Ambulation is separate from this, it does not encourage piloting. CCP made a major blunder in that they poured resources in creating game play that will only serve itself and not piloting. The effect will cause the core game (piloting) to slowly atrophy. Once ambulation hits, people will beg CCP to expand it; diverting even more resources from what CCP should be doingùimproving the piloting experience itself. Ambulation is a slippery slope and whether you realize it not itÆs a watershed moment for EVE.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.02.24 01:34:00 - [41] Originally by: Ernesto Hoost Originally by: Malcanis Fitting, manufacturing, r&d, marketing, scamming, corp management: all station-based activities. IOW you're wrong all of those activities involve a quick mouse click then your done. I suppose ambulation will mean it will take far longer to accomplish those activities, walking between locations. Yes, that sounds great. Can't wait to increase the time it takes to log in and out my alts to do something that previously took 1 click. This personal vendetta the world has against you - they've taken it too far this time. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.02.24 01:36:00 - [42] Originally by: pyr8t Fitting, manufacturing, etc. are station based activities which augment piloting. Ambulation is separate from this, it does not encourage piloting. CCP made a major blunder in that they poured resources in creating game play that will only serve itself and not piloting. The effect will cause the core game (piloting) to slowly atrophy. Once ambulation hits, people will beg CCP to expand it; diverting even more resources from what CCP should be doingùimproving the piloting experience itself. Ambulation is a slippery slope and whether you realize it not itÆs a watershed moment for EVE. Meh whatever. Too many unsupported assumptions, false dichotomies and hyperbole in this thread. Let's just agree that every time someone ambulates in EvE that God kills a kitten. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Stakhanov Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.02.24 02:29:00 - [43] I think CCP is not fully measuring the sociological impact of Ambulation. The best part might be customizable 0.0 stations , with the most player freedom to structure station interiors - in the territory where corporations need their members in space the most. Soon , frustrated FCs will start questioning everyone's sexual preference on alliance chat to get people to undock. The more insecure types will shy away from the Ambulation interface to feel like a good member / warrior and feel shielded against enemy smack. A corp room with strategic map would be the exception to this aversion , but I can scarcely imagine what a virtual Goonfleet meeting is like Besides , this feature might fail hard at its intended goal - bringing more female players. Right now , they do not seem to suffer from excessive pressure , as only their corp / alliance mates hearing them on vent know about their existence. The interaction is limited to chatting. Ambulation would enable far worse behavior : stalking. I do not see how following people around in public places can be prevented ; the involved parties might have no bad intend and feel genuinely interested but this will be a huge weight and creep out female players. A ventrilo idler is invisible , someone following you around is not. I do not think Ambulation would return the ratio of female players to a normal level , so Eve will feel that much creepier for the newcomers. Originally by: ivan draco we didnt want your post anyway
Dictum Factum Gemini Sun The Reckoning.	Posted - 2008.02.24 02:31:00 - [44] Originally by: Malcanis Let's just agree that every time someone ambulates in EvE that God kills a kitten. Well, if that is the case, I may never undock. I know less than you think I do.
Atomos Darksun Infortunatus Eventus	Posted - 2008.02.24 02:37:00 - [45] Ambulation might actually make more people be in game than on the forums *****ing and whining about things that aren't in it yet. HINT HINT. ----- They've gone to PLAID!!
Pan Crastus Amarr	Posted - 2008.02.24 02:38:00 - [46] Originally by: Spenz Originally by: J Mortarius Edited by: J Mortarius on 23/02/2008 22:49:21 Originally by: Spenz Then don't use it. Nobody is going to force you. Here is the REAL important thing about ambulation. You can fly around all merrily and NEVER have to use ambulation. Meanwhile, Sally Second Life, for some reason, gets interested in eve. She wants to interact, dress up, and see a human(ish) avatar walking around, looking at her, waving, saying 'hi' in some odd eve-like fashion. Boom 1 new subscription. THAT is the important thing about ambulation, not the fact that you don't like it. So now CCP are more interested in attracting morons from other online 'games' than improving things for their playerbase. I guess the CCP I fell in love with is dead Your not going to get too many new customers when you consider the MAJORITY of the MMO community "morons". Believe it or not, Eve is a niche game, and amazingly, a LOT of people (especially females) are turned off by the fact that your avatar is a space ship (CCP did a market study so they should know). Close-minded thinking like what you are doing is not what elevated CCP to where they are right now. Maybe you just never understood the CCP that you "loved". EVE is evolving, and ambulation is part of that evolution. I may never use ambulation, but I'm sure as hell going to embrace it, because in the long run it will only make the game better. Female night elves, here we come ... (I think Spenz is just a troll) EVE Online: a cold, cruel world where (RL-)rich people replace their losses with GTCs sold to poor students who need to farm ISK to afford their play time ...
Maj Woodcock Minmatar United Space Aillance USA	Posted - 2008.02.24 02:56:00 - [47] I think it will be cool. I think they should move the market to stalls smilar to what we had in Earth and Beyond. Three thumbs up! PROMISES MADE > PROMISES KEPT *SO SAY WE ALL* "we will deal with it as harshly as our policies allow."
ZerKar Caldari Zen'Tar	Posted - 2008.02.24 03:34:00 - [48] Originally by: pyr8t IÆll be brief: While having avatars and walking around station interiors is a neat idea, thatÆs all it is. After itÆs all said and done, Ambulation is only going to serve as a giant distraction. People stay docked up too much as it is without giving them yet another excuse to do so. Simply put, if youÆre not flying then youÆre not really playing this game. Distractions like Ambulation only encourage people to stay docked-up because in all honesty, most will find it more interesting then piloting. Thus, it will hurt the community long term. Discuss. If people find it more interesting to stay docked with Ambulation than fly around in space that should be a good hint that EvE's basic game play is not that fun and may need some changes. I for one welcome Ambulation with open arms. It will allow for a deeper experience with the possiblity of corporate offices and meetings, seeing and interacting with people in a real way. Right now the major interaction is to either kill them or not kill them, how exciting. Also while I train a years worth of skills to be up to where I feel like flying something again I can use Ambulation as a "Reason" to log in and play EvE. I know so many times I have thought "I am not really doing much...I KNOW I should log into EvE!" and then come to the conclusion "Yeah but there is really nothing worth DOING in EvE right now...Guess I will just go play Halo 3 or something...". IMO that is a bad state for EvE to exist in, after all, if your interest sags enough it may eventually inspire you to forget about it and if anything comes along offering as much as EvE but with more excitement and involvement then EvE gets thrown out the window. +++++++++++++++ For the LAST time... Keep your UGLY Typhoon off my SEXY Hurricane
Missy X	Posted - 2008.02.24 03:47:00 - [49] Edited by: Missy X on 24/02/2008 03:47:52 If Ambulation wasn't coming I would not still be playing EVE. When it arrives my game will improve immensely and permanently for the better. Maybe yours won't, but that's okay, because mine will. What consistently amazes me about EVE is that Ambulation wasn't included with it right from the beta phase. It's such an important thing, to be able to exit your ship and walk around. I remember the very first thing that I thought when I first fired up the EVE client was "lets go exploring in the station.... oh wait, I can't... why the hell NOT? Should I really persist with this game at all?" - but then I found out that Ambulation was on its way so since then I've been very patient and tried not to bug CCP about the release date on every other forum post...
Franga NQX Innovations	Posted - 2008.02.24 04:10:00 - [50] Originally by: Ernesto Hoost Originally by: Ash Vincetti You say this like it's a bad thing. You pay to Beta test? I can do the roll eyes thing too. Oh and when you want to switch a web for a sensor booster and undock quickly to join the fight, I am guessing you will be that fool that WALKS to the market Yeah Ambulation rocks...but you are right, it's just ME that thinks moving around in a station is not exactly a game that I would pay for You've played their finished ambulation product? Damn. I keep forgetting the huge amounts of people out there that have used ambulation and have full knowledge of how it's going to be implemented and are therefore informed enough to make comments like the above. Oh, hang on ... no you're not. Silly me. Originally by: Rachel Vend ... with 100% reliability in most cases ... General Aesthetics Changes Thread
Dynast	Posted - 2008.02.24 04:41:00 - [51] I think people are missing the real potential of ambulation. Namely, deploying frozen corpses in-station and emote raping them Ultima Online style. Wouldn't it be Totally Awesome if you could pod someone, loot their corpse, then desecrate their corpse in 3D right in front of them? Imagine the potential for video makers!
Siddy Minmatar Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.24 04:50:00 - [52] People that fly in space are gona be more cool even when in station smoking cigar. People like me. And i got shades too neer neer
Gamer4liff Caldari Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2008.02.24 05:03:00 - [53] I, for one, can't wait till ambulation. I plan on opening the most expensive bar I can, as well as making a variety of NPCs with interesting dialog choices. I believe this functionality was stated in a dev blog a long time ago. Either way I think this will add a whole new layer of depth to eve, and I seriously doubt that the snobs saying "I'll stay in my ship, thanks" will be able to resist looking on their ship from the outside, and enjoying viewing the inside of their ships as well.
Kazuma Saruwatari	Posted - 2008.02.24 05:05:00 - [54] I was wondering when the next anti-ambulation post was gonna come. Seems the gaps between each one are getting larger. Shame on you, haters, shame on you - Odd Pod Out, a blog of EVE Online
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2008.02.24 05:16:00 - [55] Originally by: Arouu Originally by: Joe Starbreaker Maybe Ambulation will reduce lag in Jita as all the traders log on to an Ambulation server instead of the Jita spaceship server. Possible? And where do you think they will be docked while walking about on ambulation? And why do you think people go to jita? For a lol? But if it's on a different server then they're using minimal resources from Tranq. This could be a real boon to Eve if it removes resource use from the space server. Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Adarr Caldari g guild Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.02.24 05:26:00 - [56] What's a space game without bartenders? C'mon people.
Avliux	Posted - 2008.02.24 05:26:00 - [57] Oh what I wouldn't give to be able to walk/explore my own ship during long autopilot jumps, something/anything to kill time while waiting for a skill to finish before I undock or leave. I think what CCP is attempting with ambulation is to cut down, however small or large, on the amount of time people spend simply tabbed out and not being fully immersed in the actual game. And, as previously stated, at the very least, take it as one of the founding baby steps towards a more personal eve. Anything that can pull you out of your ship now (barring having your ship exploded by mean people) could be looked back on as one of the first few catalysts of things like atmospheric flight, earthbound stations/cities, planetary sovereignty/takeovers, and the general 'completion' of eve as the most ********ly engrossing and amazing game ever. Some of the chaps that I attempted to introduce to eve via the trial didn't quite take to it. Though the more prevalent reasons were a feeling of pvp inferiority or an overaddiction to WoW, the interconnecting one was the lack of connection with the actual character, starting with the lack of a throttle or ship steering, and ending with the notion that you never actually leave your ship. Immersion, in this case ambulation (however small), though not as necessary to the established eve player already in love with the game, could do a lot for anchoring new players with a sense of reality and familiarity, not to mention be the groundwork for even more related prospects in the overall growth and expansion of eve.
Dictum Factum Gemini Sun The Reckoning.	Posted - 2008.02.24 05:26:00 - [58] Originally by: F'nog Originally by: Arouu Originally by: Joe Starbreaker Maybe Ambulation will reduce lag in Jita as all the traders log on to an Ambulation server instead of the Jita spaceship server. Possible? And where do you think they will be docked while walking about on ambulation? And why do you think people go to jita? For a lol? But if it's on a different server then they're using minimal resources from Tranq. This could be a real boon to Eve if it removes resource use from the space server. Common sense is not allowed on this forum. Stop it right now. The only way to be cool is to claim that this is the end of the world as we know it. I know less than you think I do.
Planktal Kenshao Industries	Posted - 2008.02.24 06:21:00 - [59] To the OP, check the link in my sig on my opinion about what your doing here ----------------------------------------------- Here, sanity... niiiice sanity, come to daddy... okay, that's a good sanity... THWONK! GOT the bastard. [url="http://llbbl.com/data/RPG-motivati
Cipher7	Posted - 2008.02.24 06:49:00 - [60] I am cautiously pessimistic. I know ambulation is gonna be something inane and stupid. But lets just wait and see.

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