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pyr8t Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.02.23 22:27:00 - [1] IÆll be brief: While having avatars and walking around station interiors is a neat idea, thatÆs all it is. After itÆs all said and done, Ambulation is only going to serve as a giant distraction. People stay docked up too much as it is without giving them yet another excuse to do so. Simply put, if youÆre not flying then youÆre not really playing this game. Distractions like Ambulation only encourage people to stay docked-up because in all honesty, most will find it more interesting then piloting. Thus, it will hurt the community long term. Discuss.
Estel Arador Minmatar Damage over Time Angels Of Discord	Posted - 2008.02.23 22:31:00 - [2] If more people find it interesting, perhaps more people will want to play the game?
Spenz Gallente Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.02.23 22:37:00 - [3] Then don't use it. Nobody is going to force you. Here is the REAL important thing about ambulation. You can fly around all merrily and NEVER have to use ambulation. Meanwhile, Sally Second Life, for some reason, gets interested in eve. She wants to interact, dress up, and see a human(ish) avatar walking around, looking at her, waving, saying 'hi' in some odd eve-like fashion. Boom 1 new subscription. THAT is the important thing about ambulation, not the fact that you don't like it. If I had an Alt I would probably post with it...
Bluefix Gnu Terror Corps	Posted - 2008.02.23 22:38:00 - [4] If people will prefer to stay in stations because of ambulation, it's because it's a good feature and thus makes your point invalid.
Cassandra Wolf	Posted - 2008.02.23 22:46:00 - [5] I wonder if they thought about traffic.. players sitting on station-lists need way less traffic than guys bunnyhopping around station gangways...
Bluefix Gnu Terror Corps	Posted - 2008.02.23 22:47:00 - [6] Originally by: Cassandra Wolf I wonder if they thought about traffic.. players sitting on station-lists need way less traffic than guys bunnyhopping around station gangways... Ambulation will run on seperate servers.
J Mortarius	Posted - 2008.02.23 22:48:00 - [7] Edited by: J Mortarius on 23/02/2008 22:49:21 Originally by: Spenz Then don't use it. Nobody is going to force you. Here is the REAL important thing about ambulation. You can fly around all merrily and NEVER have to use ambulation. Meanwhile, Sally Second Life, for some reason, gets interested in eve. She wants to interact, dress up, and see a human(ish) avatar walking around, looking at her, waving, saying 'hi' in some odd eve-like fashion. Boom 1 new subscription. THAT is the important thing about ambulation, not the fact that you don't like it. So now CCP are more interested in attracting morons from other online 'games' than improving things for their playerbase. I guess the CCP I fell in love with is dead
Rawr Cristina Caldari Cult of Rawr	Posted - 2008.02.23 22:56:00 - [8] Originally by: J Mortarius So now CCP are more interested in attracting morons from other online 'games' than improving things for their playerbase. I guess the CCP I fell in love with is dead They have a seperate team for Ambulation AFAIK. It's a completely seperate project and is having no impact whatsoever on their efforts to improve EVE's gameplay. IMO Ambulation is going to be great addition to EVE and I fully welcome it - If you're not interested then that's fine, just ignore it and stop trying to deny us people who actually want it our wish. Vote Dynamic Tax!
Spenz Gallente Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.02.23 22:56:00 - [9] Originally by: J Mortarius Edited by: J Mortarius on 23/02/2008 22:49:21 Originally by: Spenz Then don't use it. Nobody is going to force you. Here is the REAL important thing about ambulation. You can fly around all merrily and NEVER have to use ambulation. Meanwhile, Sally Second Life, for some reason, gets interested in eve. She wants to interact, dress up, and see a human(ish) avatar walking around, looking at her, waving, saying 'hi' in some odd eve-like fashion. Boom 1 new subscription. THAT is the important thing about ambulation, not the fact that you don't like it. So now CCP are more interested in attracting morons from other online 'games' than improving things for their playerbase. I guess the CCP I fell in love with is dead Your not going to get too many new customers when you consider the MAJORITY of the MMO community "morons". Believe it or not, Eve is a niche game, and amazingly, a LOT of people (especially females) are turned off by the fact that your avatar is a space ship (CCP did a market study so they should know). Close-minded thinking like what you are doing is not what elevated CCP to where they are right now. Maybe you just never understood the CCP that you "loved". EVE is evolving, and ambulation is part of that evolution. I may never use ambulation, but I'm sure as hell going to embrace it, because in the long run it will only make the game better. If I had an Alt I would probably post with it...
Terail Zoqial	Posted - 2008.02.23 22:59:00 - [10] yawn The people who do what they do are going to do it regardless if ambulation is implemented or not. People currently sit in stations chatting, lack of ambulation does'nt seem to be changing things. Granted, peeps will go "oooh, purdy stuff" for a while, then they will turn it off, much like the new gfx. "if youÆre not flying then youÆre not really playing this game" Sure, because we should all be mindless drones and do what people think and say
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2008.02.23 23:03:00 - [11] Originally by: pyr8t IÆll be brief: While having avatars and walking around station interiors is a neat idea, thatÆs all it is. After itÆs all said and done, Ambulation is only going to serve as a giant distraction. People stay docked up too much as it is without giving them yet another excuse to do so. Simply put, if youÆre not flying then youÆre not really playing this game. Distractions like Ambulation only encourage people to stay docked-up because in all honesty, most will find it more interesting then piloting. Thus, it will hurt the community long term. Discuss. Ambulation is still very new, and frankly I who have spent hours searching these forums and questioning the devs on forums and fanfest about the topic dont know what it will bring. heck! Even the devs have no particularily clue of what it will bring! Ideas yes, but thats about it! We have seen many ideas launched. What about a tactical room from where you can control your fleet? You can mark spots where enemies are etc. There will be social gathering points for people. For the corp and alliance members etc. And please dont underestimate the value of social gathering points! Its important indeed! A step for planetary terraforming and colonization? Ok, the dev that I asked about this at the FF told me those where not related, but if you can walk, you are a step forward to be able to conquest and utilize planets! You cot a character! You can see something more then your hangar and the flight cokpit. .. so much more... Yes. There are a whole universe of things you can build on it from the Ambulation! When it comes to the fact it can encourage people to stay docked. I guess that is true. But it a universe of free will and in the fact we are playing a sandbox game where people can do whatever they want to, I cant call this a problem. The same with being a distraction! The fact is we need more things to do! Things we could not do before! I wont stop doing PvP, PvE or mining just because we got ambulation. But with ambulation there might be more things I can do in addition to the things allready mentioned! Also, if you dont like it, you are still able to play eve as always! It is not like it changes the game it allready is! CCP have said that the landbased part wont affect the spacegame, to but it that way. Not to begin with anyway. When it comes to disccussion, I doubt theres anything to discuss. After all we dont know much yet. Maybe if theres a sleepless dev around who would add in here we could have one! I am certainly up for it!! Originally by: CCP Whisper I got your ambulation right here... <walks off to get more wine>
Joe Starbreaker Starbreaker Spaceways Nex Eternus	Posted - 2008.02.23 23:06:00 - [12] Maybe Ambulation will reduce lag in Jita as all the traders log on to an Ambulation server instead of the Jita spaceship server. Possible?
Ernesto Hoost	Posted - 2008.02.23 23:10:00 - [13] Edited by: Ernesto Hoost on 23/02/2008 23:11:42 Originally by: pyr8t Distractions like Ambulation only encourage people to stay docked-up because in all honesty, most will find it more interesting then piloting. Thus, it will hurt the community long term. Discuss. But you can do moonies in station. It's a perfect extension of the station hugging smacktards aresnal.(spelt wrong in case arse is filtered) Smack in local ,making rude gestures in 3D, it's perfect for the under 12's now pouring in. CCP are only interested in money these days, what else did you expect, more hardware to reduce lag? lol, they fooled you with that one
flashfreaking LFC	Posted - 2008.02.23 23:12:00 - [14] Originally by: Ernesto Hoost Edited by: Ernesto Hoost on 23/02/2008 23:11:16 [quote =pyr8t]Distractions like Ambulation only encourage people to stay docked-up because in all honesty, most will find it more interesting then piloting. Thus, it will hurt the community long term. Discuss. But you can do moonies in station. It's a perfect extension of the station hugging smacktards aresnal.(spelt wrong in case arse is filtered) Smack in local ,making rude gestures in 3D, it's perfect for the under 12's now pouring in. CCP are only interested in money these days, what else did you expect, more hardware to reduce lag? lol, they fooled you with that one you fail, look it up: Infiniband. Disallowed sig graphic. Send an e-mail to [email protected] when it meets the forum signature guidelines. ~Saint
Raul Rincon Caldari Eth3real Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.23 23:12:00 - [15] Trolls and idiots abound.
Ernesto Hoost	Posted - 2008.02.23 23:13:00 - [16] Originally by: flashfreaking you fail, look it up: Infiniband. You fail..look it up, it's called reality
Ernesto Hoost	Posted - 2008.02.23 23:15:00 - [17] Originally by: Raul Rincon Trolls and idiots abound. ^^ idiot spotted
Dal Thrax Multiverse Corporation	Posted - 2008.02.23 23:18:00 - [18] Originally by: pyr8t IÆll be brief: While having avatars and walking around station interiors is a neat idea, thatÆs all it is. After itÆs all said and done, Ambulation is only going to serve as a giant distraction. People stay docked up too much as it is without giving them yet another excuse to do so. Simply put, if youÆre not flying then youÆre not really playing this game. Distractions like Ambulation only encourage people to stay docked-up because in all honesty, most will find it more interesting then piloting. Thus, it will hurt the community long term. Discuss. The reason CCP is doing ambulation is so that they can use the same code in the WOD MMO they're working on. Basically EvE ambulation is the beta test of some of their code. Dal Originally by: HEXXX In all seriousness; I think I made a miscalculation originally. . . We either need to fix this or fix our advertising.
Wayson Minmatar Trans Nebula Inc. The Threshold	Posted - 2008.02.23 23:20:00 - [19] Originally by: Raul Rincon Trolls and idiots abound. Welcome to the internet. ___ Victory smiles upon those who anticipate the changes in the character of war, not upon those who wait to adapt themselves after they occur. ~Guilio Douhet
CrayC Gallente CrayC Inc.	Posted - 2008.02.23 23:23:00 - [20] I love it when people talk of something that is not even halfway done yet and claim it fails...
Rawr Cristina Caldari Cult of Rawr	Posted - 2008.02.23 23:25:00 - [21] Originally by: Ernesto Hoost Distractions like Ambulation only encourage people to stay docked-up because in all honesty, most will find it more interesting then piloting. Thus, it will hurt the community long term. The same people who got bored of piloting, remained docked-up all the time and eventually quit anyway? Who knows? It may even sway them back - Give them something to do when they arn't in the mood for PvPing, not to mention the influx of fresh new players it'l bring to the game. IMO it's going to be nothing but good for EVE in the long-term. Vote Dynamic Tax!
Ernesto Hoost	Posted - 2008.02.23 23:29:00 - [22] Edited by: Ernesto Hoost on 23/02/2008 23:28:59 Sort your quoting skills out Rawr And to CrayC, yeah man , walking in stations will absolutely pwn dude. How can it not fail, its what we have all been asking for on forums. The ability to stay docked, and like, you know...move around...yeah can't wait Dude, like moving around whilst docked..omg, can you think of anything better?
Arouu	Posted - 2008.02.23 23:31:00 - [23] Originally by: Joe Starbreaker Maybe Ambulation will reduce lag in Jita as all the traders log on to an Ambulation server instead of the Jita spaceship server. Possible? And where do you think they will be docked while walking about on ambulation? And why do you think people go to jita? For a lol?
OwlManAtt Gallente Yasashii Syndicate	Posted - 2008.02.23 23:36:00 - [24] Edited by: OwlManAtt on 23/02/2008 23:36:12 Originally by: flashfreaking you fail, look it up: Infiniband. EDIT: I suck at quoting So where is it? The lag has been an issue for a very long time. There may very well be two separate teams working on the two projects, but those people working on Ambulation are still getting paid money that could be allocated to fixing the problems that have been going on for over a year. All I'm saying is that launching a radically different thing that doesn't really benefit gameplay when there are huge problems like server lag simply does not inspire faith. Sure, it may attract some people that our elitist PvPers find undesirable, and that's another sale for CCP. But for how many veterans is that going to be the straw that broke the camel's back? How many sales have been lost as a result of people crying about lag that CCP never fixes? Churn is doubleplusungood. Then again, maybe the benefits they saw when they did their research outweights the loss they could potentially see as a result. Personally, I think Ambulation will be a neat toy. But unless they find some way to integrate it into actual gameplay, I don't see myself using the feature more than once. To sum it up, my whole argument is what good does Ambulation do me, as an existing customer, today? --- SVP OwlManAtt, Yasashii Syndicate
Paeniteo Synthetic Frontiers	Posted - 2008.02.23 23:36:00 - [25] Would you stop with the speculation, you can't predict the future with the info CCP spoon feeds us. Relax.
Ernesto Hoost	Posted - 2008.02.23 23:41:00 - [26] Edited by: Ernesto Hoost on 23/02/2008 23:45:04 Originally by: OwlManAtt But unless they find some way to integrate it into actual gameplay, I don't see myself using the feature more than once. To sum it up, my whole argument is what good does Ambulation do me, as an existing customer, today? The most obvious question to the developers at the last fanfest, was "do I have to use ambulation to fit my ship" The answer of course was "no, you can disable it and still have the same functions you have now" Amazing feature, one that will be switched off by the majority of EVE that actually undock, but a nice little exercise in CCP's use of the current paying subscribers to beta test their next project
Ash Vincetti Decorum Inc	Posted - 2008.02.24 00:02:00 - [27] Edited by: Ash Vincetti on 24/02/2008 00:02:26 Quote: Amazing feature, one that will be switched off by the majority of EVE that actually undock Don't speak for me, I fully intend to use this feature, and yes, I do undock with surprising frequency. If you wanted to say "Amazing Feature, one that will be switched off BY ME", then we are talking, but until you have ran a market study and can conclusively prove that "The majority of EVE that actually undock" doesn't want the feature, it's just conjecture. Quote: but a nice little exercise in CCP's use of the current paying subscribers to beta test their next project You say this like it's a bad thing. ----- free bree!
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.02.24 00:03:00 - [28] Originally by: Sereifex Daku Originally by: Rawr Cristina Originally by: J Mortarius So now CCP are more interested in attracting morons from other online 'games' than improving things for their playerbase. I guess the CCP I fell in love with is dead They have a seperate team for Ambulation AFAIK. It's a completely seperate project and is having no impact whatsoever on their efforts to improve EVE's gameplay. IMO Ambulation is going to be great addition to EVE and I fully welcome it - If you're not interested then that's fine, just ignore it and stop trying to deny us people who actually want it our wish. Ok, so they have a seperate team for Ambulation..but those resources could have been put towards improving the actual EVE game. Those people had to come from somewhere. I do admit that I've always wanted to be able to walk outside of my ship...but at the same time I fear changes that make EVE more similar to all the other mmorpgs out there. IIRC the ambulation engine is coming from the White Wolf game, which is a completely separate project. It's only the pretty eve-specific pictures that will require extra resources. So yeah, there's some upfront cost. But the idea is that this will attract new players = more resources. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Ernesto Hoost	Posted - 2008.02.24 00:07:00 - [29] Originally by: Ash Vincetti You say this like it's a bad thing. You pay to Beta test? I can do the roll eyes thing too. Oh and when you want to switch a web for a sensor booster and undock quickly to join the fight, I am guessing you will be that fool that WALKS to the market Yeah Ambulation rocks...but you are right, it's just ME that thinks moving around in a station is not exactly a game that I would pay for
J Mortarius	Posted - 2008.02.24 00:07:00 - [30] Edited by: J Mortarius on 24/02/2008 00:08:53 Originally by: Spenz Originally by: J Mortarius Edited by: J Mortarius on 23/02/2008 22:49:21 Originally by: Spenz Then don't use it. Nobody is going to force you. Here is the REAL important thing about ambulation. You can fly around all merrily and NEVER have to use ambulation. Meanwhile, Sally Second Life, for some reason, gets interested in eve. She wants to interact, dress up, and see a human(ish) avatar walking around, looking at her, waving, saying 'hi' in some odd eve-like fashion. Boom 1 new subscription. THAT is the important thing about ambulation, not the fact that you don't like it. So now CCP are more interested in attracting morons from other online 'games' than improving things for their playerbase. I guess the CCP I fell in love with is dead Your not going to get too many new customers when you consider the MAJORITY of the MMO community "morons". Believe it or not, Eve is a niche game, and amazingly, a LOT of people (especially females) are turned off by the fact that your avatar is a space ship (CCP did a market study so they should know). Close-minded thinking like what you are doing is not what elevated CCP to where they are right now. Maybe you just never understood the CCP that you "loved". EVE is evolving, and ambulation is part of that evolution. I may never use ambulation, but I'm sure as hell going to embrace it, because in the long run it will only make the game better. I get where you are coming from, but as you said, EVE is a niche game, for the minority of people who prefer gameplay over aesthetics and risk over reward (I'm generalising here but hayho). So ask yourself this: Howcome CCP are attempting to turn their niche game into a mainstream game? If people from WoW, Second Life, etc come here for Ambulation and end up playing in the shaceships as well won't it only be a matter of time before public opinion in EVE radically sways towards boosting reward, decreasing risk and turning everything into fluffy wuffy elves on fluffy wuffy mounts? I'm getting quite ahead of myself, but I like to try and spot potential problems as soon as they pop up on the horizon. EVE Online is the only mmo that I actually like, so I really don't want it all to go down the toilet.
Sereifex Daku Intergalactic Squad Celestial Frontier	Posted - 2008.02.24 00:08:00 - [31] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Sereifex Daku Ok, so they have a seperate team for Ambulation..but those resources could have been put towards improving the actual EVE game. Those people had to come from somewhere. I do admit that I've always wanted to be able to walk outside of my ship...but at the same time I fear changes that make EVE more similar to all the other mmorpgs out there. IIRC the ambulation engine is coming from the White Wolf game, which is a completely separate project. It's only the pretty eve-specific pictures that will require extra resources. So yeah, there's some upfront cost. But the idea is that this will attract new players = more resources. Ah, I stand corrected.
NeoTheo Final Conflict UK SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.24 00:15:00 - [32] Originally by: J Mortarius So now CCP are more interested in attracting morons from other online 'games' than improving things for their playerbase. I guess the CCP I fell in love with is dead they dont need ambulation for that, see you posted.
pyr8t Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.02.24 00:21:00 - [33] Ambulation will be a detriment to EVE because it simply doesnÆt augment EVE game play. EVE game play is classified as ôanything other than being dockedö, or piloting for short. Ambulation encourages people not to play EVE because if youÆre docked youÆre not piloting. Thus, youÆre not playing.
Rawr Cristina Caldari Cult of Rawr	Posted - 2008.02.24 00:21:00 - [34] Originally by: J Mortarius If people from WoW, Second Life, etc come here for Ambulation and end up palying in the shaceships as well won't it only be a matter of time before public opinion in EVE radically sways towards boosting reward, decreasing risk and turning everything into fluffy wuffy elves on fluffy wuffy mounts? CCP dosen't need to make the game fluffy to make it appealing. Ambulation is great because it's optional. The same goes for PvP - It's pretty much completely optional as nothing is forcing you out of Hi-sec, so you have the choice to remain there if you wish. The only thing that needs to be maintained is the Risk v Reward system. So long as that's in place, EVE will always be EVE. Vote Dynamic Tax!
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.02.24 00:28:00 - [35] Originally by: pyr8t Ambulation will be a detriment to EVE because it simply doesnÆt augment EVE game play. EVE game play is classified as ôanything other than being dockedö, or piloting for short. Ambulation encourages people not to play EVE because if youÆre docked youÆre not piloting. Thus, youÆre not playing. Fitting, manufacturing, r&d, marketing, scamming, corp management: all station-based activities. IOW you're wrong CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
sableye principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.24 00:28:00 - [36] to be honest thethought of ambulation coming is one of main reasons I am still paying and playing. I can;nt wait to hang about in bars and stuff. Join The Fight With Promo Today View The North Star!
Ernesto Hoost	Posted - 2008.02.24 00:52:00 - [37] Originally by: Malcanis Fitting, manufacturing, r&d, marketing, scamming, corp management: all station-based activities. IOW you're wrong all of those activities involve a quick mouse click then your done. I suppose ambulation will mean it will take far longer to accomplish those activities, walking between locations. Yes, that sounds great. Can't wait to increase the time it takes to log in and out my alts to do something that previously took 1 click.
flashfreaking LFC	Posted - 2008.02.24 00:54:00 - [38] You can still do those stuff with one click, Ambulation is currently only seen as decoration and entertainment for camped in/docked people Disallowed sig graphic. Send an e-mail to [email protected] when it meets the forum signature guidelines. ~Saint
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.02.24 01:02:00 - [39] I wish CCP would postulate some random nerf to a beloved aspect of Eve in a blog so we can have some proper whine threads. TBQFH the current crop are rather lacking. Originally by: MM0RPG EVE Review "if you aren't my friend you are my income."
pyr8t Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.02.24 01:02:00 - [40] Fitting, manufacturing, etc. are station based activities which augment piloting. Ambulation is separate from this, it does not encourage piloting. CCP made a major blunder in that they poured resources in creating game play that will only serve itself and not piloting. The effect will cause the core game (piloting) to slowly atrophy. Once ambulation hits, people will beg CCP to expand it; diverting even more resources from what CCP should be doingùimproving the piloting experience itself. Ambulation is a slippery slope and whether you realize it not itÆs a watershed moment for EVE.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.02.24 01:34:00 - [41] Originally by: Ernesto Hoost Originally by: Malcanis Fitting, manufacturing, r&d, marketing, scamming, corp management: all station-based activities. IOW you're wrong all of those activities involve a quick mouse click then your done. I suppose ambulation will mean it will take far longer to accomplish those activities, walking between locations. Yes, that sounds great. Can't wait to increase the time it takes to log in and out my alts to do something that previously took 1 click. This personal vendetta the world has against you - they've taken it too far this time. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.02.24 01:36:00 - [42] Originally by: pyr8t Fitting, manufacturing, etc. are station based activities which augment piloting. Ambulation is separate from this, it does not encourage piloting. CCP made a major blunder in that they poured resources in creating game play that will only serve itself and not piloting. The effect will cause the core game (piloting) to slowly atrophy. Once ambulation hits, people will beg CCP to expand it; diverting even more resources from what CCP should be doingùimproving the piloting experience itself. Ambulation is a slippery slope and whether you realize it not itÆs a watershed moment for EVE. Meh whatever. Too many unsupported assumptions, false dichotomies and hyperbole in this thread. Let's just agree that every time someone ambulates in EvE that God kills a kitten. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Stakhanov Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.02.24 02:29:00 - [43] I think CCP is not fully measuring the sociological impact of Ambulation. The best part might be customizable 0.0 stations , with the most player freedom to structure station interiors - in the territory where corporations need their members in space the most. Soon , frustrated FCs will start questioning everyone's sexual preference on alliance chat to get people to undock. The more insecure types will shy away from the Ambulation interface to feel like a good member / warrior and feel shielded against enemy smack. A corp room with strategic map would be the exception to this aversion , but I can scarcely imagine what a virtual Goonfleet meeting is like Besides , this feature might fail hard at its intended goal - bringing more female players. Right now , they do not seem to suffer from excessive pressure , as only their corp / alliance mates hearing them on vent know about their existence. The interaction is limited to chatting. Ambulation would enable far worse behavior : stalking. I do not see how following people around in public places can be prevented ; the involved parties might have no bad intend and feel genuinely interested but this will be a huge weight and creep out female players. A ventrilo idler is invisible , someone following you around is not. I do not think Ambulation would return the ratio of female players to a normal level , so Eve will feel that much creepier for the newcomers. Originally by: ivan draco we didnt want your post anyway
Dictum Factum Gemini Sun The Reckoning.	Posted - 2008.02.24 02:31:00 - [44] Originally by: Malcanis Let's just agree that every time someone ambulates in EvE that God kills a kitten. Well, if that is the case, I may never undock. I know less than you think I do.
Atomos Darksun Infortunatus Eventus	Posted - 2008.02.24 02:37:00 - [45] Ambulation might actually make more people be in game than on the forums *****ing and whining about things that aren't in it yet. HINT HINT. ----- They've gone to PLAID!!
Pan Crastus Amarr	Posted - 2008.02.24 02:38:00 - [46] Originally by: Spenz Originally by: J Mortarius Edited by: J Mortarius on 23/02/2008 22:49:21 Originally by: Spenz Then don't use it. Nobody is going to force you. Here is the REAL important thing about ambulation. You can fly around all merrily and NEVER have to use ambulation. Meanwhile, Sally Second Life, for some reason, gets interested in eve. She wants to interact, dress up, and see a human(ish) avatar walking around, looking at her, waving, saying 'hi' in some odd eve-like fashion. Boom 1 new subscription. THAT is the important thing about ambulation, not the fact that you don't like it. So now CCP are more interested in attracting morons from other online 'games' than improving things for their playerbase. I guess the CCP I fell in love with is dead Your not going to get too many new customers when you consider the MAJORITY of the MMO community "morons". Believe it or not, Eve is a niche game, and amazingly, a LOT of people (especially females) are turned off by the fact that your avatar is a space ship (CCP did a market study so they should know). Close-minded thinking like what you are doing is not what elevated CCP to where they are right now. Maybe you just never understood the CCP that you "loved". EVE is evolving, and ambulation is part of that evolution. I may never use ambulation, but I'm sure as hell going to embrace it, because in the long run it will only make the game better. Female night elves, here we come ... (I think Spenz is just a troll) EVE Online: a cold, cruel world where (RL-)rich people replace their losses with GTCs sold to poor students who need to farm ISK to afford their play time ...
Maj Woodcock Minmatar United Space Aillance USA	Posted - 2008.02.24 02:56:00 - [47] I think it will be cool. I think they should move the market to stalls smilar to what we had in Earth and Beyond. Three thumbs up! PROMISES MADE > PROMISES KEPT *SO SAY WE ALL* "we will deal with it as harshly as our policies allow."
ZerKar Caldari Zen'Tar	Posted - 2008.02.24 03:34:00 - [48] Originally by: pyr8t IÆll be brief: While having avatars and walking around station interiors is a neat idea, thatÆs all it is. After itÆs all said and done, Ambulation is only going to serve as a giant distraction. People stay docked up too much as it is without giving them yet another excuse to do so. Simply put, if youÆre not flying then youÆre not really playing this game. Distractions like Ambulation only encourage people to stay docked-up because in all honesty, most will find it more interesting then piloting. Thus, it will hurt the community long term. Discuss. If people find it more interesting to stay docked with Ambulation than fly around in space that should be a good hint that EvE's basic game play is not that fun and may need some changes. I for one welcome Ambulation with open arms. It will allow for a deeper experience with the possiblity of corporate offices and meetings, seeing and interacting with people in a real way. Right now the major interaction is to either kill them or not kill them, how exciting. Also while I train a years worth of skills to be up to where I feel like flying something again I can use Ambulation as a "Reason" to log in and play EvE. I know so many times I have thought "I am not really doing much...I KNOW I should log into EvE!" and then come to the conclusion "Yeah but there is really nothing worth DOING in EvE right now...Guess I will just go play Halo 3 or something...". IMO that is a bad state for EvE to exist in, after all, if your interest sags enough it may eventually inspire you to forget about it and if anything comes along offering as much as EvE but with more excitement and involvement then EvE gets thrown out the window. +++++++++++++++ For the LAST time... Keep your UGLY Typhoon off my SEXY Hurricane
Missy X	Posted - 2008.02.24 03:47:00 - [49] Edited by: Missy X on 24/02/2008 03:47:52 If Ambulation wasn't coming I would not still be playing EVE. When it arrives my game will improve immensely and permanently for the better. Maybe yours won't, but that's okay, because mine will. What consistently amazes me about EVE is that Ambulation wasn't included with it right from the beta phase. It's such an important thing, to be able to exit your ship and walk around. I remember the very first thing that I thought when I first fired up the EVE client was "lets go exploring in the station.... oh wait, I can't... why the hell NOT? Should I really persist with this game at all?" - but then I found out that Ambulation was on its way so since then I've been very patient and tried not to bug CCP about the release date on every other forum post...
Franga NQX Innovations	Posted - 2008.02.24 04:10:00 - [50] Originally by: Ernesto Hoost Originally by: Ash Vincetti You say this like it's a bad thing. You pay to Beta test? I can do the roll eyes thing too. Oh and when you want to switch a web for a sensor booster and undock quickly to join the fight, I am guessing you will be that fool that WALKS to the market Yeah Ambulation rocks...but you are right, it's just ME that thinks moving around in a station is not exactly a game that I would pay for You've played their finished ambulation product? Damn. I keep forgetting the huge amounts of people out there that have used ambulation and have full knowledge of how it's going to be implemented and are therefore informed enough to make comments like the above. Oh, hang on ... no you're not. Silly me. Originally by: Rachel Vend ... with 100% reliability in most cases ... General Aesthetics Changes Thread
Dynast	Posted - 2008.02.24 04:41:00 - [51] I think people are missing the real potential of ambulation. Namely, deploying frozen corpses in-station and emote raping them Ultima Online style. Wouldn't it be Totally Awesome if you could pod someone, loot their corpse, then desecrate their corpse in 3D right in front of them? Imagine the potential for video makers!
Siddy Minmatar Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.24 04:50:00 - [52] People that fly in space are gona be more cool even when in station smoking cigar. People like me. And i got shades too neer neer
Gamer4liff Caldari Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2008.02.24 05:03:00 - [53] I, for one, can't wait till ambulation. I plan on opening the most expensive bar I can, as well as making a variety of NPCs with interesting dialog choices. I believe this functionality was stated in a dev blog a long time ago. Either way I think this will add a whole new layer of depth to eve, and I seriously doubt that the snobs saying "I'll stay in my ship, thanks" will be able to resist looking on their ship from the outside, and enjoying viewing the inside of their ships as well.
Kazuma Saruwatari	Posted - 2008.02.24 05:05:00 - [54] I was wondering when the next anti-ambulation post was gonna come. Seems the gaps between each one are getting larger. Shame on you, haters, shame on you - Odd Pod Out, a blog of EVE Online
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2008.02.24 05:16:00 - [55] Originally by: Arouu Originally by: Joe Starbreaker Maybe Ambulation will reduce lag in Jita as all the traders log on to an Ambulation server instead of the Jita spaceship server. Possible? And where do you think they will be docked while walking about on ambulation? And why do you think people go to jita? For a lol? But if it's on a different server then they're using minimal resources from Tranq. This could be a real boon to Eve if it removes resource use from the space server. Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Adarr Caldari g guild Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.02.24 05:26:00 - [56] What's a space game without bartenders? C'mon people.
Avliux	Posted - 2008.02.24 05:26:00 - [57] Oh what I wouldn't give to be able to walk/explore my own ship during long autopilot jumps, something/anything to kill time while waiting for a skill to finish before I undock or leave. I think what CCP is attempting with ambulation is to cut down, however small or large, on the amount of time people spend simply tabbed out and not being fully immersed in the actual game. And, as previously stated, at the very least, take it as one of the founding baby steps towards a more personal eve. Anything that can pull you out of your ship now (barring having your ship exploded by mean people) could be looked back on as one of the first few catalysts of things like atmospheric flight, earthbound stations/cities, planetary sovereignty/takeovers, and the general 'completion' of eve as the most ********ly engrossing and amazing game ever. Some of the chaps that I attempted to introduce to eve via the trial didn't quite take to it. Though the more prevalent reasons were a feeling of pvp inferiority or an overaddiction to WoW, the interconnecting one was the lack of connection with the actual character, starting with the lack of a throttle or ship steering, and ending with the notion that you never actually leave your ship. Immersion, in this case ambulation (however small), though not as necessary to the established eve player already in love with the game, could do a lot for anchoring new players with a sense of reality and familiarity, not to mention be the groundwork for even more related prospects in the overall growth and expansion of eve.
Dictum Factum Gemini Sun The Reckoning.	Posted - 2008.02.24 05:26:00 - [58] Originally by: F'nog Originally by: Arouu Originally by: Joe Starbreaker Maybe Ambulation will reduce lag in Jita as all the traders log on to an Ambulation server instead of the Jita spaceship server. Possible? And where do you think they will be docked while walking about on ambulation? And why do you think people go to jita? For a lol? But if it's on a different server then they're using minimal resources from Tranq. This could be a real boon to Eve if it removes resource use from the space server. Common sense is not allowed on this forum. Stop it right now. The only way to be cool is to claim that this is the end of the world as we know it. I know less than you think I do.
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Cipher7	Posted - 2008.02.24 06:49:00 - [60] I am cautiously pessimistic. I know ambulation is gonna be something inane and stupid. But lets just wait and see.
Kyra Felann Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2008.02.24 07:16:00 - [61] Originally by: Bluefix If people will prefer to stay in stations because of ambulation, it's because it's a good feature and thus makes your point invalid. lol pwnt.
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.02.24 19:25:00 - [62] Originally by: Maj Woodcock I think they should move the market to stalls smilar to what we had in Earth and Beyond. Hmmm. Market stalls with only so much room for a limited amount of people to crowd around. Jita 4-4 after Ambulation. Originally by: MM0RPG EVE Review "if you aren't my friend you are my income."
yaizon	Posted - 2008.02.24 19:38:00 - [63] I haven't read this topic other than the first post. I too have some reservations about what ambulation will add to the game but I cast that aside knowing that Eve Online is great and CCP made it that way. If CCP think ambulation is going to enhance the game then I believe it will as well. Arguing about if its going to be good or not is pointless as none of us really know what its going to be like. Personally I look forward to ambulation as the next step for Eve. CCP has constantly revised this game and made it better.
Cpt Fina Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2008.02.24 19:46:00 - [64] I just hope they keep ambulation in line with the rest of Eve, or the vision of it rather. Pre-nerf high-sec stations to hell to keep the incitement for fighting for resources (or fluff if you like).
DigitalCommunist Obsidian Core	Posted - 2008.02.24 19:55:00 - [65] Those that don't like Ambulation, have several very good reasons not to: - It's a technological testbed for World of Darkness, and therefore a slimy way of getting the hard beta testing done without affecting WoD's future success and image. Many MMOs are judged by their betas, and CCP can have something very polished to present as a result of our suffering. :P - It's a separate game that exists solely to please people that want to remain in the EVE universe and community, but not play the game. Having influence, control and power in EVE is severely diminished if people can evade all that and still be entertained somehow. - It's a concession by CCP that they've exhausted all "major" space oriented features now that player owned structures, stations, system control, and super massive ships have been released. This is a grab for big subscriptions, by mimicking the parts of other popular MMOs that people like - namely walking avatars. - Devs working on Ambulation is equivalent to Devs not working on EVE. Every man-hour spent doing this, is sacrificing one man-hour of improving EVE itself. - CCP is continuing, and entrenching a trend of broadening gameplay by introducing new features. As a consequence of constantly doing something "new", everything old and in need of revision/improvement gets ignored. Therefore, EVE will only become more complicated - not necessarily better. - Community gets split and divided as a result of Ambulation and in-station life Now, that is off the top of my head. I don't necessarily think Ambulation is bad, but I definitely think it isn't necessary. How open you are to the idea of walking in stations depends solely on how much potential for growth you see in what we already got. _______________________________ http://epicwords.net/
Bresan Borija School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.02.24 20:10:00 - [66] What is ambulation? Are we only going to go around and talk? Gambling? Will I be able to go up to someone and sucker punch/mug the pilot? Guns/knives/brassknuckles/tasers? Shanghai someone and make their your worker? Steal his keys to a vessel? Can we get some visuals from using narcotics. Especially the hallucinogenic ones. I want my pilot to trip balls. guilty look
Mifter Hogdido Amarr The 0ri	Posted - 2008.02.24 20:11:00 - [67] Originally by: Spenz Then don't use it. Nobody is going to force you. Here is the REAL important thing about ambulation. You can fly around all merrily and NEVER have to use ambulation. Meanwhile, Sally Second Life, for some reason, gets interested in eve. She wants to interact, dress up, and see a human(ish) avatar walking around, looking at her, waving, saying 'hi' in some odd eve-like fashion. Boom 1 new subscription. THAT is the important thing about ambulation, not the fact that you don't like it. This guy said it all.
Tirothadius Xor	Posted - 2008.02.24 20:44:00 - [68] There are many people to whom many aspects of EVE are appealing, but who don't play it simply because it is impossible to leave one's ship. Ambulation = opening the gate for these people. Widening the appeal of an MMO is never an entirely good thing, of course. Higher population = higher number of undesirables. But even with this in mind, I cannot see ambulation as anything other than, overall, a good thing. The most common concerns of those who oppose ambulation appear to be these: Q: Development of ambulation detracts from development of solutions for issues in the existing aspects of EVE. A: No, the development of ambulation is separate from that of EVE. Q: But if CCP were to focus all of their money on primary EVE development instead of dividing it between that and ambulation, problems would be solved faster. A: Contrary to popular belief, money is not necessarily magic, especially not in the software development realm. Q: Ambulation will make the lag worse. A: No, ambulation will be on separate servers. Q: Not enough people will use ambulation to justify its existence. A: Not only are there current EVE players who would use it (more than once), but there are also many potential and former players who would. Q: Too many people will use ambulation and the non-ambulatory aspects of the game will be depleted. A: EVE has an average of 20,000 players online at any given time. Even if half of them are ambulating, there are still 10,000 who are not. Q: If a player isn't piloting, they're not playing the game properly. A: This is subjective. Additionally, it is based upon an equation which would be changed by the availability of ambulation. By the way, why do you care if someone is enjoying the game in a different way than you are, a way that does not even harm you? _______________ ["The meek shall inherit the Earth, but not its mineral rights." - J. Paul Getty]
Stakhanov Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.02.24 20:55:00 - [69] Originally by: Cpt Fina I just hope they keep ambulation in line with the rest of Eve, or the vision of it rather. Pre-nerf high-sec stations to hell to keep the incitement for fighting for resources (or fluff if you like). You mean the remaining rest of its vision... I'm not sure how it's possible to link station resources with space based pvp , short of carrying your victims' heads around. Originally by: ivan draco we didnt want your post anyway
pyr8t Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.02.24 21:10:00 - [70] Originally by: DigitalCommunist - Devs working on Ambulation is equivalent to Devs not working on EVE. Every man-hour spent doing this, is sacrificing one man-hour of improving EVE itself. - Community gets split and divided as a result of Ambulation and in-station life Exactly right. Instead of improving upon & revising the piloting experience CCP chose to do the exact opposite by wasting vast resources on game play that competes withùbut does not augment, piloting. Oil & water do not mix. And for those here who say, ôIÆm waiting for Ambulation, it is the reason I havenÆt canceledàö well, youÆre in for a reality check. If Ambulation but not piloting is the reason youÆre sticking around, then EVE really isnÆt the game for you, is it? You are better served by other MMOÆs which focus on walking based avatars.
Tieki	Posted - 2008.02.24 21:14:00 - [71] Originally by: Tirothadius Xor Q: If a player isn't piloting, they're not playing the game properly. A: This is subjective. Additionally, it is based upon an equation which would be changed by the availability of ambulation. By the way, why do you care if someone is enjoying the game in a different way than you are, a way that does not even harm you? It does harm, if they are using ambulation they aren't being pew pew'd by me.
Pantaloon McPants	Posted - 2008.02.24 21:17:00 - [72] Edited by: Pantaloon McPants on 24/02/2008 21:17:31 well its coming weather we like it or not, it should encourage more community aspect of the game, immagine walking into a bar looking for a merc to hire or a exotic dancer to chat up on evespeak. (meewoooarr). Im also picturing the breifing room out of star wars (original) before they go pop the death star, 100000 noob frig pilots died to get us these plans! all im saying is calm down and give it a chance, it might not be as bad as you think, and possibly this time next year you will be wondering how you did without it edit> holy crap green was a bad choice of color to be cool
DigitalCommunist Obsidian Core	Posted - 2008.02.24 21:31:00 - [73] You watch too many movies if you think its going to be anything like that. People will go out of their way to find comical new ways to act like a douche. Only with station walking, it'll be in an environment where you can't get shot and killed. It takes a station full of people acting in RP-appropriate ways to establish a good level of immersion, but it only takes a single person clowning around to ruin it. Personally, I would rather have player driven empires, and combat balance that scales equally from the very tiny to the very large. Why would I care what my avatar's body looks like, and what clothes he wears? If anything, this is the one game universe where your mind is the only valuable asset. Everything else is pointless and trivial. _______________________________ http://epicwords.net/
Tirothadius Xor	Posted - 2008.02.24 21:46:00 - [74] Originally by: pyr8t And for those here who say, ôIÆm waiting for Ambulation, it is the reason I havenÆt canceledàö well, youÆre in for a reality check. If Ambulation but not piloting is the reason youÆre sticking around, then EVE really isnÆt the game for you, is it? You are better served by other MMOÆs which focus on walking based avatars. Does the phrase "last bastion of sandbox gameplay among 3D MMORPGs" ring any bells to you? It should, because that's what EVE is. And that is an attraction to more people than just those who would exclusively enjoy the piloting-based aspects of the game. _______________ ["The meek shall inherit the Earth, but not its mineral rights." - J. Paul Getty]
Minerva Vulcan Caldari The Nexus Foundation Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.02.24 21:49:00 - [75] I for one welcome the arrival of Third Life.
Pantaloon McPants	Posted - 2008.02.24 21:50:00 - [76] well im optimistic like that, i'm pretty sure thats what ccp had in mind also when they decided to go ahead with it. There will be douche bags in this game from now until the end of time, even if they perfect every single grievence you have with the game currently. I know allot of people that log on during boring long training times just to chat and enjoy the community - its just another tool in the game for immersion purposes, hey and guess what - its optional!
Korizan Oort Cloud Industries	Posted - 2008.02.24 21:50:00 - [77] I am looking forward to ambulation and the added content to the game. If you feel that EVE is nothing but flying ships then so be it.
Mynameistoby	Posted - 2008.02.24 21:52:00 - [78] I'm a fairly new player, I quit this game a year ago after a few months of play. I just got a new account about a month ago. I knew it would take forever for me to train the skills I would need to fly what I want the way I want it. Flying a rifter can be fun but that isn't what I want to do. So basically I just log into switch skill training or browse the market. I'm planning on playing indefinitely that's why I got Cybernetics V for the +5s and am working on learning skills. But I have nothing to do for a long time besides talking to people and sitting in station basically. It doesn't really bother me otherwise I would just fly a T1 frigate. But ambulation is something I am really looking forward to and I have to say it is a big reason why I have a subscription it would be great if I had something to do in-game at times like this. Because now my only immersion in the game is what I mentioned before and reading the forums or other things related to EVE.
Adonis 4174	Posted - 2008.02.24 22:07:00 - [79] Ambulation is useless, it's just like the tailor in City of Heroes / Villains. Nobody uses... oh wait yes they do. Hold on a moment... ---- Anything less is wasted effort
Gamer4liff Caldari Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2008.02.24 22:23:00 - [80] Originally by: DigitalCommunist You watch too many movies if you think its going to be anything like that. People will go out of their way to find comical new ways to act like a douche. Only with station walking, it'll be in an environment where you can't get shot and killed. It takes a station full of people acting in RP-appropriate ways to establish a good level of immersion, but it only takes a single person clowning around to ruin it. Did you not read the devblog stating that they were doing exactly that? Keeping everything RP-friendly that is, with no /dance emotes or whichever.
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2008.02.24 22:42:00 - [81] The OP has a point. It's been seen before in other MMOs. Dark Age of Camelot who's main focus was supposed to be the Realm versus Realm action in the "frontier" areas. Mythic comes out with the Trials of Atlantis expansion and practicaly all RvR action dried up. For weeks. It slowly came back but it was never quite the same again. People were always in ToA pve'ing it up. Now Eve isn't DAoC, or even necessarily susceptible to DAoC type problems. But it is close to the same kind of situation where those who choose not to do the "optional" content could still be adversely affected by the absence of those who do. Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Susa Ou	Posted - 2008.02.24 22:50:00 - [82] I just hope we get to hunt people down in stations and kill them. . .
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2008.02.24 22:53:00 - [83] Originally by: Susa Ou I just hope we get to hunt people down in stations and kill them. . . Sadly, they say that isn't the plan. Which sucks because it seems to mean that people will be able to hole up in stations and run their bars or whatever making isk without any real risk. Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Ernesto Hoost	Posted - 2008.02.24 22:55:00 - [84] Originally by: Pantaloon McPants Edited by: Pantaloon McPants on 24/02/2008 21:17:31 [pink]well its coming weather we like it or not, it should encourage more community aspect of the game, immagine walking into a bar looking for a merc to hire or a exotic dancer to chat up on evespeak. (meewoooarr). 1. Yes it's coming, whether we like it or not Much easier to build something that you can and ignore the faults that that reside in the current application 2. Do you think mercs hang around in stations waiting for some random guy to start convo? 3. Exotic dancer Eve voice....it's a man...get a girlfriend in R/L 4. Am wondering how we did without lag/desync, and fancy graphics. Pretty well me thinks Not all advances are improvements
N'irrti Amarr Reach Fuileach	Posted - 2008.02.24 23:01:00 - [85] well i don't think i'll gonna use it (unless i can decorate my hangar with the corpses of my victims ), but it will come for sure and well who cares if the carebears sit in their station playing poker, drinking booze or smoking cigars when you gank their ratting buddys btw: local channel shouldn't be visible to pilots outside pods cause they aren't wired into the local communication chans
Juwi Kotch Gallente VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD Ka-Tet	Posted - 2008.02.24 23:14:00 - [86] It's been said before, and I can only reiterate: Ambulation is most of the reason why I'm still paying my subscription. Without it, I would have left EVE already months ago. Juwi Kotch
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.02.24 23:29:00 - [87] Originally by: pyr8t Originally by: DigitalCommunist - Devs working on Ambulation is equivalent to Devs not working on EVE. Every man-hour spent doing this, is sacrificing one man-hour of improving EVE itself. - Community gets split and divided as a result of Ambulation and in-station life Exactly right. Instead of improving upon & revising the piloting experience CCP chose to do the exact opposite by wasting vast resources on game play that competes withùbut does not augment, piloting. Oil & water do not mix. And for those here who say, ôIÆm waiting for Ambulation, it is the reason I havenÆt canceledàö well, youÆre in for a reality check. If Ambulation but not piloting is the reason youÆre sticking around, then EVE really isnÆt the game for you, is it? You are better served by other MMOÆs which focus on walking based avatars. "Vast resources"? Proof or STFU, as the saying goes. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Rawr Cristina Caldari Cult of Rawr	Posted - 2008.02.25 00:12:00 - [88] Originally by: pyr8t Originally by: DigitalCommunist - Devs working on Ambulation is equivalent to Devs not working on EVE. Every man-hour spent doing this, is sacrificing one man-hour of improving EVE itself. - Community gets split and divided as a result of Ambulation and in-station life Exactly right. Instead of improving upon & revising the piloting experience CCP chose to do the exact opposite by wasting vast resources on game play that competes withùbut does not augment, piloting. Oil & water do not mix. Pretty sure the Ambulation team (ie: WoD online team) have been hired to do exactly what they're doing now. You can't just make someone skilled in Character Animation start working on 'game balance' and 'fixing lag' - It just dosen't work like that. Money has little to do with it either. You think throwing more money into 'improving the piloting experience' is going to change anything? As has been said countless times, Ambulation is being funded largely by the WoD budget. CCP dosen't have to bring part of that technology to EVE at all, but arn't you glad they are, for free?. They have the oppurtunity to improve EVE using the WoD resources with little extra cost and they're taking it, for which there are huge benefits for both CCP and EVE. I'm sorry but if you think that Ambulation is going to somehow kill EVE you're being incredibly narrowminded. Vote Dynamic Tax!
UMEE	Posted - 2008.02.25 00:43:00 - [89] Originally by: pyr8t IÆll be brief: While having avatars and walking around station interiors is a neat idea, thatÆs all it is. After itÆs all said and done, Ambulation is only going to serve as a giant distraction. People stay docked up too much as it is without giving them yet another excuse to do so. Simply put, if youÆre not flying then youÆre not really playing this game. Distractions like Ambulation only encourage people to stay docked-up because in all honesty, most will find it more interesting then piloting. Thus, it will hurt the community long term. Discuss. /bump i agree, ambulation is completely pointless and i think theyre doing it to sell the technology to other games. imo, the developers' resources and time should be focused on planetary interaction and making PVE more interesting. unless they give ambulation some sort of combative aspect, it's pointless and done merely for cosmetic purposes.. in other words, a giant distraction, something they can advertise in new trailers to gain more subscribers.
Tirothadius Xor	Posted - 2008.02.25 03:21:00 - [90] Originally by: UMEE unless they give ambulation some sort of combative aspect, it's pointless and done merely for cosmetic purposes.. in other words, a giant distraction, something they can advertise in new trailers to gain more subscribers. So anything that doesn't have PEWPEW is pointless? _______________ ["The meek shall inherit the Earth, but not its mineral rights." - J. Paul Getty]
pyr8t Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.02.25 05:17:00 - [91] If it doesn't augment piloting, it is pointless.
Nasta443	Posted - 2008.02.25 05:25:00 - [92] Edited by: Nasta443 on 25/02/2008 05:24:52 Originally by: Missy X It's such an important thing, to be able to exit your ship and walk around. Can I shoot you in the head and take your isks and possibly implants from your head? No I cant so ambulation is hardly important at all.
Nasta443	Posted - 2008.02.25 05:25:00 - [93] Originally by: Tirothadius Xor Originally by: UMEE unless they give ambulation some sort of combative aspect, it's pointless and done merely for cosmetic purposes.. in other words, a giant distraction, something they can advertise in new trailers to gain more subscribers. So anything that doesn't have PEWPEW is pointless? Yes. Unless it funds pew pew.
Nasta443	Posted - 2008.02.25 05:26:00 - [94] Originally by: Rawr Cristina CCP dosen't have to bring part of that technology to EVE at all, but arn't you glad they are, for free?. Don't you pay every month?
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.02.25 05:29:00 - [95] Originally by: Nasta443 Originally by: Rawr Cristina CCP dosen't have to bring part of that technology to EVE at all, but arn't you glad they are, for free?. Don't you pay every month? We all pay our monthly sub. But we never pay extra for expansions or new hardware and code upgrades like other mmos do. Been $14.95 a month for as long as Eve has been around regardless of whats been added. Originally by: MM0RPG EVE Review "if you aren't my friend you are my income."
Yuri VanKaer	Posted - 2008.02.25 06:05:00 - [96] Originally by: pyr8t If it doesn't augment piloting, it is pointless. QFT.
Bloss0m Caldari Industrial death	Posted - 2008.02.25 06:27:00 - [97] Ambulation is going to add another layer of game play to eve I don't see the problem in that so long as it adds fun to the game. Some people dont want to just go out and pvp, mine, or do piloting based things in eve all the time! So instead of just socializing in a chat channel or playing another game they can walk around, play poker , or other activities ambulation will allow for instead of just sitting in station spinning their ship. They will be having fun and I think thats what matters. While "ambulating" they might add to the economy of eve by buying items used in ambulation like food and clothing which will be collected by people out piloting in space. Who knows maybe the next great war will be started over a system with a certain item people want in ambulation. (those shoes are to die for! no literally im going to blow you up for them). People will still undock to find items needed for ambulation and if your playing eve for the rush your not going to stay docked because you can walk around in station. Your still going to go out and try and shoot people, run missions, or mine. So ambulation is going to augment piloting by adding new things to fight over, work towards, and hunt for. CPP is expanding into another game so like it or not the resources will be diverted to the new game and the fact it is still going to benefit us in eve is great. I cant wait for ambulation to be released its another layer added to a universe I love to play in and I wont have to pay 50 bucks for the expansion.
Merfio	Posted - 2008.02.25 07:14:00 - [98] We all know that Ambulation will come, no matter what the jerks are saying here. This thread is pointless nothing else....
PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik Gallente MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.02.25 07:38:00 - [99] Ive got mixed feelings about whether ambulation will be beneficial to eve or not. Ive considered both sides of the arguement and both have valid points. On the one hand new subs= more targets for us pvpers = more "interaction" for everyone, even the industry gurus in the form of increased demands/trade = more RL isk for ccp to (hopefully) put into server upgrades and bettering eve. On the other hand it may lead to a sub community of station dwellers who rarely undock, perhaps never, although lets be honest this community already exists. It could also end up being a great fizzer, perhaps wasting resources better spent on the current playerbase's concerns rather than marketing to potential customers. Really Noone has the info availiable to them regarding ccp's designs for this so I guess ill continue warming this section of the fence with my money maker. I would like to add however that when ambulation's inevitable problems are ironed out and it runs/functions well I personally feel it would be a good idea to introduce a yet to be determined level of FPS pvp into the stations. I know I know- its going to be going away from the original ideas of what eve was, but maybe this could be some sort of "fix" for the tiresome pos/blob warfare that alliance warfare has become. Maybe thats wishful thinking but I would personally love to be able to capture a station and continue the fight inside for loot! Peace WithinSo if the theory of relativity is true, shouldn't i arrive at my destination before i warped in the first place? Neon GhostYou do, but this is compensated for by lag
Cipher7	Posted - 2008.02.25 07:44:00 - [100] Ambulation is against the spirit of Sci-Fi The avatar is the meat which in Science-Fiction is supposed to take a backseat to ideas, skills and technology. If I can pilot a starship capable of destroying whole worlds, why would I care what your meat looks like? You could be Jabba the Hutt or Brittney Spears and it wouldn't matter. All that matters is can you understand the power structures, do you understand economy, do you understand technology, your ABILITIES matter not your looks. Theres billions of people on every planet, beautiful people, ugly people, what relevance is it if a pod pilot walks around in the station, when you're on the station you're no longer special, you're no longer immortal, you're no longer a celebrity, you're just one more person out of billions, if you're beatufiul theres a billion people more beautiful than you, and if you're strong theres a billion people stronger than you. The only thing that makes a pod pilot special is the influence he can exert upon the universe, and ambulation is counter to that idea. If people are having fun inside the station then everything that happens outside doesn't matter, because nobody can influence each other from inside the station, they cant kill you or rob you unless you undock. I feel ambulation will change Eve from a game of power, economy and politics, into a game of sleepovers and sillyness.
DigitalCommunist Obsidian Core	Posted - 2008.02.25 07:57:00 - [101] Originally by: Rawr Cristina Pretty sure the Ambulation team (ie: WoD online team) have been hired to do exactly what they're doing now. You can't just make someone skilled in Character Animation start working on 'game balance' and 'fixing lag' - It just dosen't work like that. Money has little to do with it either. You think throwing more money into 'improving the piloting experience' is going to change anything? As has been said countless times, Ambulation is being funded largely by the WoD budget. CCP dosen't have to bring part of that technology to EVE at all, but arn't you glad they are, for free?. They have the oppurtunity to improve EVE using the WoD resources with little extra cost and they're taking it, for which there are huge benefits for both CCP and EVE. I'm sorry but if you think that Ambulation is going to somehow kill EVE you're being incredibly narrowminded. You need to read more, and type less. WoD team? WoD budget? Do you have a source for any of that? I read just about everything there is to read on the subject and on EVE that is remotely official, and until you wrote it, I've never heard anything of the sort. If you go to the ccpgames.com website, you'll see they're hiring people for a completely separate team. Second, a person skilled at animation doesn't have to do characters. There are plenty of items in EVE that use animation, or could use more animation. Plus your example is bad, considering CCP just licensed prefabbed animation technology. I doubt there is a single job position for Ambulation that can't be found in the rest of EVE. Your theory is just bad. Third, you seem to think WoD resources are being added to EVE. WoD doesn't exist and has no "resources", EVE does. To suggest what you just did, is the equivalent of a husband buying a plasma TV and trying to pass it off as a gift for her. Even if both sides end up using this Ambulation stuff, we all know why it was done, and who it really benefits. No one has suggested throwing money at EVE to make it better, either. Yet, that is exactly what Ambulation is. One really expensive project, just so CCP get to market another huge feature and tick off yet another thing their game has going for it. You don't seem to understand or appreciate the politics of a decision like this. _______________________________ http://epicwords.net/
Kyra Felann Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2008.02.25 08:34:00 - [102] Originally by: Cipher7 Ambulation is against the spirit of Sci-Fi The avatar is the meat which in Science-Fiction is supposed to take a backseat to ideas, skills and technology. If I can pilot a starship capable of destroying whole worlds, why would I care what your meat looks like? You could be Jabba the Hutt or Brittney Spears and it wouldn't matter. All that matters is can you understand the power structures, do you understand economy, do you understand technology, your ABILITIES matter not your looks. Theres billions of people on every planet, beautiful people, ugly people, what relevance is it if a pod pilot walks around in the station, when you're on the station you're no longer special, you're no longer immortal, you're no longer a celebrity, you're just one more person out of billions, if you're beatufiul theres a billion people more beautiful than you, and if you're strong theres a billion people stronger than you. The only thing that makes a pod pilot special is the influence he can exert upon the universe, and ambulation is counter to that idea. If people are having fun inside the station then everything that happens outside doesn't matter, because nobody can influence each other from inside the station, they cant kill you or rob you unless you undock. I feel ambulation will change Eve from a game of power, economy and politics, into a game of sleepovers and sillyness. What are you on? Seriously? Pod pilots leave their pods. Soon you will be able to actually play your character outside your pod. It has nothing to do with apeparance or "sleepovers" (WTF?!?). I've heard some dumb opposition to Ambulation, but yours has to be the most bizarre and nonsensical.
Vested Interest	Posted - 2008.02.25 10:49:00 - [103] /signed why are they hiring like 25 programmers to work on this WALKING IN SPACE and WOD stuff instead of directing those resources at the fundamental problems and shortcomings of what we have now? Finish/fix the game you have, CCP.
Akkrillo Dread Lords	Posted - 2008.02.25 10:56:00 - [104] Originally by: Vested Interest /signed why are they hiring like 25 programmers to work on this WALKING IN SPACE and WOD stuff instead of directing those resources at the fundamental problems and shortcomings of what we have now? Finish/fix the game you have, CCP. and where did you get the number 25. making up facts to make your argument more relevent, lol
Dictum Factum Gemini Sun The Reckoning.	Posted - 2008.02.25 11:02:00 - [105] Originally by: Akkrillo and where did you get the number 25. making up facts to make your argument more relevent, lol It is a proven fact that 97.386% of all statistics are made up on the spot. I know less than you think I do.
Ozstar Naughty 40 Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.25 11:31:00 - [106] Originally by: pyr8t IÆll be brief: While having avatars and walking around station interiors is a neat idea, thatÆs all it is. After itÆs all said and done, Ambulation is only going to serve as a giant distraction. People stay docked up too much as it is without giving them yet another excuse to do so. Simply put, if youÆre not flying then youÆre not really playing this game. Distractions like Ambulation only encourage people to stay docked-up because in all honesty, most will find it more interesting then piloting. Thus, it will hurt the community long term. Discuss. Thats your opinion. I believe that ambulation will add depth to an already extremely immersive experience, that people are capable of adapting to it (maybe not the OP). Listening to the live dev blog explaining the process of creating conceptual art and turning that in to in-game assets has given me a new appreciation of how much CCP put into this game. OP should just accept he fails at life.
Merfio	Posted - 2008.02.25 11:36:00 - [107] Originally by: Ozstar Originally by: pyr8t Discuss. Thats your opinion. I believe that ambulation will add depth to an already extremely immersive experience, that people are capable of adapting to it (maybe not the OP). Listening to the live dev blog explaining the process of creating conceptual art and turning that in to in-game assets has given me a new appreciation of how much CCP put into this game. OP should just accept he fails at life. QFT!
Zaethiel D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.25 11:39:00 - [108] Originally by: Estel Arador If more people find it interesting, perhaps more people will want to play the game? Doesn't work that way. Its not a feature that will draw people into the game. CCP can use it as a marketing tool but it will won't actually hold people to the game anymore than just saying here look we added this new cool feature that really doesn't add anything to the game but its cool and was hard to program. PLay Eve bc we have avatars unlike every other MMO out there... -------------------------- Piwate Bunny Wuv
Akkrillo Dread Lords	Posted - 2008.02.25 11:47:00 - [109] Originally by: Zaethiel Originally by: Estel Arador If more people find it interesting, perhaps more people will want to play the game? Doesn't work that way. Its not a feature that will draw people into the game. CCP can use it as a marketing tool but it will won't actually hold people to the game anymore than just saying here look we added this new cool feature that really doesn't add anything to the game but its cool and was hard to program. PLay Eve bc we have avatars unlike every other MMO out there... not exactly true. when i first heard of eve it sounded interesting to me. when i found out i couldnt leave my ship, i put off trying it for the longest time. then when i had some free time i thought id give it a try anyways. turns out i like the game even without character interaction. shortly after i started i read an article about ambulation and like it even more.
Zaerlorth Maelkor	Posted - 2008.02.25 11:56:00 - [110] Originally by: Vested Interest /signed why are they hiring like 25 programmers to work on this WALKING IN SPACE and WOD stuff instead of directing those resources at the fundamental problems and shortcomings of what we have now? Finish/fix the game you have, CCP. This statement proves you are one of two things. Insane or very very stupid. CCP shouldn't expand their business? Seriously? wtf? ================================================== I should really get a sig.
Keeves Minmatar Sexy Pirate Club	Posted - 2008.02.25 12:03:00 - [111] Originally by: pyr8t IÆll be brief: While having avatars and walking around station interiors is a neat idea, thatÆs all it is. After itÆs all said and done, Ambulation is only going to serve as a giant distraction. People stay docked up too much as it is without giving them yet another excuse to do so. Simply put, if youÆre not flying then youÆre not really playing this game. Distractions like Ambulation only encourage people to stay docked-up because in all honesty, most will find it more interesting then piloting. Thus, it will hurt the community long term. Discuss. You better not be docked up when posting this thread or im gonna pistol whip you!
Cosmar Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2008.02.25 12:08:00 - [112] I disagree, i think ambulation if well done could very well draw in a lot of people to the game and improve the immersivness of the game a lot. It's speculation, but i think the decision to implement it probably had something to do with their evaluation of the relative failure of the Chinese shard. The part that i have a problem with is actually making it completly optional. I think there should be a way to just stay at a computer terminal in a station and have all the current space station facilities easily accessible, but it should still be "visually" a part of ambultion at least on the premium client - seeing your avatar standing there and people pass by etc.. And some actions that wouldn't be tedious to do, like joining a new corp for example, could well be ambulation only (i know they said there won't be anything). I don't want it to feel "disjointed", i'd be pretty disappointed if you just had the current docking screen with an extra button to push.
Khai D'mentus	Posted - 2008.02.25 12:17:00 - [113] ambulation is nothing for a stepping stone for CCP to do something else, i am guessing that WW has some plans for using the "engine" in there Dark online. Tbh i hardly thing its gonna effect eve that much, those that pvp will continue to do so, and ignore the ambulation all together, and PvE don't fly ships for PvP anyway so not a valid target, unless your thrill in eve is griefing..
Makhan	Posted - 2008.02.25 13:00:00 - [114] Originally by: DigitalCommunist You need to read more, and type less. Pot. Kettle. Black.
Suze'Rain Caldari	Posted - 2008.02.25 13:02:00 - [115] Edited by: Suze''Rain on 25/02/2008 13:05:44 What utter tripe people are saying in here. Eve is not just PVP. Eve is not just walking in stations, eve is not mission-grinding, eve is not becoming a second life clone, and it's not all the other things I could list. Ambulation is another layer of gameplay. I am already foreseeing a point in the future where we will have players with alts that never leave a station, and which are pvp. not becasue they bunnyhop around levels with flak cannons or such cack, but because they sit in the corporate office, and are coordinating the actions of entire fleets without ever needing to be there at the scene of a fight. I can see ambulation creating avatars that are used for negotiation, intimidation, "protection" of miners in a low-sec system (how long before a player can break into a rival corp's offices and leave the slowly-thawing corpse of the CEO in the chair at the head of the table with a "100million or you get it again" note?). I see Ambulation allowing new blood into eve that would be put off by a hulking great mass of metal floating in space, and want to be a character. I can see the role-players having wet dreams at being able to role-play their character, not just a face. I can see Ambulation taking the next step onward, and walking through the station causeway when a gunfight between rival corps breaks out... I can see the first time that Mo0 v.2.0 Causes a riot in a station instead of at a high-sec gate, and Concorde riot police squads have to be sent in by the devs to break them up. I can see players creating the infrastructures to use the "tactical displays" in-game as fleet commanders - Actually, what I can predict is sooner or later, some corps using remote viewing applications, so a FC can view other player's screens, so the FC can "see" the battlefield from any participant, and, from the safety of the Corp headquarters, be coordinating the assault. No more backup FC for when the FC is podded and disappears from system. "If youÆre not flying then youÆre not really playing this game." the OP claims. So the character who's sat in-station for say, 2 years, never leaving, trading items, and controlling the market and building a fortune in the billions is actually playing Hello Kitty Online? That, mate, is utter gobshyte. To claim that what other people do "isn't eve" if it doesn't meet your personal values of what you like is arrogance of the highest, most repulsive order. I don't know if I'll like Ambulation - I suspect it will be stunning, but will likely take a long time to become as immersive as in-space play. but I can bet you, that the end result will be an increase in players, (resulting in more whining I expect, because you ungrateful *******s think we should still have 8,000PCU and be using pre-Exodus code since CCP should'nt be evolving the product, but only fixing bugs...), the increased player base will give everyone fresh meat to target, and many of those new players will also go out into space, and add to the original gameplay style. I can also see CCP using Ambulation as the first step in an ever-growing gameplay setting... and that in 5 years time, I'll be dropping from my jump-clone in a T3 Carrier, or whatever, into a drop ship to pilot down onto the surface of a planet that I'm contesting with Alliance X, before getting into a armoured tank and blowing hell into the citadel the enemy have there, before returning to a lander, and clone-jumping into an orbital bombardment platform, turning the surface of the planet to glass, and then leaving in my classic, old-fashioned interceptor, to the Alliance HQ where in a darkened auditorium, the Alliance members will plan out the next phase of the war, face-to-face. and if you're still some sad git sitting in a ship shooting a gate because you think that's what eve is still "really" about... well, I'll have a laugh at you, while I go about playing all the elements of a massive game.
Esu Nahalas RONA Midgard Academy	Posted - 2008.02.25 13:17:00 - [116] Originally by: Bluefix If people will prefer to stay in stations because of ambulation, it's because it's a good feature and thus makes your point invalid. Q.E.D.
Suze'Rain Caldari	Posted - 2008.02.25 13:26:00 - [117] Originally by: ry ry Maybe CCP should look at making an ambulation-only account free, but an 'ID Card' which lets you undock, train skills, place buy/sell orders and stuff cost a monthly fee. also: passenger ships. Civilian ships. Amarr Holder's private transport. Caldari CEO's Executive shuttle. Gallente Opux Pleasure Launch, etc. Can you imagine the paranoia fleets trying to guard the completely un-skilled station player as they go from station A to B?
Rawr Cristina Caldari Cult of Rawr	Posted - 2008.02.25 14:33:00 - [118] Originally by: DigitalCommunist WoD team? WoD budget? Do you have a source for any of that? I read just about everything there is to read on the subject and on EVE that is remotely official, and until you wrote it, I've never heard anything of the sort. If you go to the ccpgames.com website, you'll see they're hiring people for a completely separate team. ... You seem to think WoD resources are being added to EVE. WoD doesn't exist and has no "resources", EVE does. It would only make sense for CCP to share resources between the two projects, considering their similarities. As for the 'completely seperate team' bit, AFAIK only half of the USA-based job descriptions on the CCPgames website actually state that it's for a WoD mmo, the rest don't specify. It wouldn't be all that implausible for part of the WoD team to also be creating content for Ambulation and whilst much of that is speculation; you can't simply dismiss the possibility entirely. Quote: To suggest what you just did, is the equivalent of a husband buying a plasma TV and trying to pass it off as a gift for her. Even if both sides end up using this Ambulation stuff, we all know why it was done, and who it really benefits Only, it WILL benefit EVE. Perhaps not all of it, but can you honestly say how it's going to make EVE worse? I can understand concerns about community divide, but it's not as if that's new to EVE. We already have huge divides between Missionrunners, Pirates, Alliances, etc - what makes this any different? Ambulation is eye-candy, and whilst it dosen't serve any purpose from a Gameplay perspective (much like Trinity or graphics in general) there's a huge playerbase out there that's going to appreciate it. The rest have been given the option to completely ignore it, you can't really ask for more. Quote: A person skilled at animation doesn't have to do characters. There are plenty of items in EVE that use animation, or could use more animation. Plus your example is bad, considering CCP just licensed prefabbed animation technology. I doubt there is a single job position for Ambulation that can't be found in the rest of EVE. Your theory is just bad. No one has suggested throwing money at EVE to make it better, either. Yet, that is exactly what Ambulation is. One really expensive project, just so CCP get to market another huge feature and tick off yet another thing their game has going for it. You don't seem to understand or appreciate the politics of a decision like this. Yes, it'l have costs associated with it. It'l also draw in new players - Many of whom will certainly participate in the gameplay itself. Who knows where it'l lead? As a business, CCP would almost certaintly predict that Ambulation is going to pay for itself in new subscriptions, else they likely wouldn't have bothered. It's a marketing decision at heart, but one that has no negative impact on the values of EVE. The opposite would be true if they, for instance, nerfed consensual PVP so the game would be more appealing to the masses, whilst utterly destroying it for the rest. And if they make a profit from Ambulation - who knows? Maybe they'll spend it on improving EVE
Gamer4liff Caldari Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2008.02.25 15:05:00 - [119] Originally by: Rawr Cristina Ambulation is eye-candy, and whilst it dosen't serve any purpose from a Gameplay perspective I agree with most of what you said, but I would object to this. If implemented correctly I believe it will be a very valuable addition to gameplay. We might even see some of the fabled "emergent gameplay". Then again this really all goes back to what you define as "gameplay".
Mehos Spun	Posted - 2008.02.25 15:24:00 - [120] I would see it as an valuable addition to diplomacy. To meet another in person, on neutral groud in an exclusive rented conference room. Papers with offers are changed, people look on to the gestures of the others. I could imagine this as fine. mfg mehos
Nicho Void Hyper-Nova Tenth Legion	Posted - 2008.02.25 15:27:00 - [121] I look forward to the battle map. If ambulation brings nothing more to game play besides this, it will be more than worth it. Originally by: CCP Wrangler We won't laugh at you... to your face...
Jin Gle Gallente The Topal Corporation	Posted - 2008.02.25 15:32:00 - [122] I sure hope theres gonna be a /dance command. Space Lion
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2008.02.25 16:04:00 - [123] Originally by: pyr8t Simply put, if you’re not flying then you’re not really playing this game. And if you are trading you are not really playing this game. And if you are building you are not really playing this game. And if you are inventing you are not really playing this game. And if ... oh wait!
ry ry StateCorp Insurgency	Posted - 2008.02.25 16:09:00 - [124] if you're not complaining on the forums, you're not really playing the game. Signature removed. Too large and flashing signatures are not really permitted. Navigator
Esu Nahalas RONA Midgard Academy	Posted - 2008.02.25 16:57:00 - [125] Originally by: Jin Gle I sure hope theres gonna be a /dance command. If CCP implements a dance command, then they should make High Tech Small Arms functional as well.
Furious Hawk Caldari I-Omniscient-I	Posted - 2008.02.25 17:27:00 - [126] Amazing. 5 pages for a small post that should have been in the official Ambulation thread. You all fell into a trap.
Vested Interest	Posted - 2008.02.25 17:46:00 - [127] Edited by: Vested Interest on 25/02/2008 17:49:00 Originally by: Akkrillo Originally by: Vested Interest /signed why are they hiring like 25 programmers to work on this WALKING IN SPACE and WOD stuff instead of directing those resources at the fundamental problems and shortcomings of what we have now? Finish/fix the game you have, CCP. and where did you get the number 25. making up facts to make your argument more relevent, lol Sorry it's more like 100: http://www.white-wolf.com/jobs/index.php Originally by: ccp/white wolf CCP\|White Wolf is searching for more than one hundred motivated producers, programmers, artists, animation directors, testers and sound designers for creative game development. The company will be hiring for positions in Atlanta, Georgia; Shanghai, China and Reykjavik, Iceland. Now who's the stupid troll here? Not me. Originally by: Zaerlorth Maelkor This statement proves you are one of two things. Insane or very very stupid. CCP shouldn't expand their business? Seriously? wtf? CCP's business grows by like 5000 customers a month, it's already expanding like a motherf#cker.
Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2008.02.25 18:51:00 - [128] I honestly can't see any value in ambulation. What are you supposed to DO, exactly? I'm not against it per se, but I just can't imagine it having any game-playing enhancement.
pyr8t Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.02.25 18:55:00 - [129] If youÆre not piloting or doing activities which augment piloting (fitting, manufacturing, etc.) then you indeed are not playing this game. Ambulation does not augment piloting; rather, it takes away from piloting. It is a separate experience in direct competition with the rest of EVE. Most players will find Ambulation to be more interesting than piloting because piloting in comparison isnÆt nearly as pretty or interesting. The slippery slope then begins as the community begs CCP to expand Ambulation features thus diverting even more resources away from improving the piloting experience. The cause-and-effect of all this will mean players stay docked and pilot less often. Less people piloting harm the experience for those who do (decreased chance for interaction for pilots who are piloting). The piloting side of EVE will atrophy.
7Boy Curry	Posted - 2008.02.25 19:08:00 - [130] Lets face it, the only people that object to this are the high sec griefers. They are concerned that noobs might not actually get bored trapped in a station. This space for Rent.....
Makhan	Posted - 2008.02.25 19:09:00 - [131] Originally by: pyr8t If youÆre not piloting or doing activities which augment piloting (fitting, manufacturing, etc.) then you indeed are not playing this game. Ambulation does not augment piloting; rather, it takes away from piloting. It is a separate experience in direct competition with the rest of EVE. Most players will find Ambulation to be more interesting than piloting because piloting in comparison isnÆt nearly as pretty or interesting. The slippery slope then begins as the community begs CCP to expand Ambulation features thus diverting even more resources away from improving the piloting experience. The cause-and-effect of all this will mean players stay docked and pilot less often. Less people piloting harm the experience for those who do (decreased chance for interaction for pilots who are piloting). The piloting side of EVE will atrophy. I wish your arms would atrophy, to spare us garbage posts like this one.
Suze'Rain Caldari	Posted - 2008.02.25 19:56:00 - [132] Originally by: pyr8t If youÆre not piloting or doing activities which augment piloting (fitting, manufacturing, etc.) then you indeed are not playing this game. The piloting side of EVE will atrophy. and where exactly in anything CCP have ever designed, written, or said, is there any point where they have stated that Eve is a MMO Piloting game? No-where. it's you who's not playing the game, becasue you're not understanding that what we've experienced so far is only a tiny part of an entire universe that CCP wants to create, from combat in space, to stations, to planetary landings, and so on.
Arktiger Gallente Xeno Tech Corp United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2008.02.25 20:39:00 - [133] Edited by: Arktiger on 25/02/2008 20:39:42 Originally by: Spenz Originally by: J Mortarius Edited by: J Mortarius on 23/02/2008 22:49:21 Originally by: Spenz Then don't use it. Nobody is going to force you. Here is the REAL important thing about ambulation. You can fly around all merrily and NEVER have to use ambulation. Meanwhile, Sally Second Life, for some reason, gets interested in eve. She wants to interact, dress up, and see a human(ish) avatar walking around, looking at her, waving, saying 'hi' in some odd eve-like fashion. Boom 1 new subscription. THAT is the important thing about ambulation, not the fact that you don't like it. So now CCP are more interested in attracting morons from other online 'games' than improving things for their playerbase. I guess the CCP I fell in love with is dead Your not going to get too many new customers when you consider the MAJORITY of the MMO community "morons". Believe it or not, Eve is a niche game, and amazingly, a LOT of people (especially females) are turned off by the fact that your avatar is a space ship (CCP did a market study so they should know). Close-minded thinking like what you are doing is not what elevated CCP to where they are right now. Maybe you just never understood the CCP that you "loved". EVE is evolving, and ambulation is part of that evolution. I may never use ambulation, but I'm sure as hell going to embrace it, because in the long run it will only make the game better. ^^^^^
Ravenous Black	Posted - 2008.04.22 12:15:00 - [134] Now i have finally read through this 5 page post.. For starters... MMORPG = Massive Multiplayer Online Roleplaying Game So what is the problem with EVE and CCP actually WITH Ambulation makes this game more accesible for actual Roleplayers aswell.. I find a Diversity of gamers a BIG PLUS... SO WHAT if some people will choose to stay docked and socialize?? I doubt that all people in the universe of EVE actually HAS to be hardcore pilots for the gameplay to work.... In real life a vast majority drives cars, but not ALL of us are professional racedrivers now are we?? Some have jobs building houses, driving trucks, running diners/restaurents/bars.. And most of us go home at the end of a workday to Eat Sleep and SOCIALIZE ! I like the idea and possibillty to do what i want where i want it.. I really cant see how ANYONE can complain about getting MORE CONTENT in a game..AAAND on top of that, its is OPTIONAL!!! Just a point of view..
W3370Pi4 Caldari Lords Of Kaos	Posted - 2008.04.22 12:36:00 - [135] we should not forget that CCP is here to make money too so they cant be blamed for working on ways to get more people to play the game ( adding more ships would help to CCP :p ) small freighter , cap mining ship ect :p
fr8st Amarr	Posted - 2008.04.22 13:05:00 - [136] Well... The way I see it ambulation will be a part of the game. Therefore it's not like you are not playing the game when docked. If that's the case, then think about how it is now. Players are docked for a long time to do hundreds of things already, and when they do they cannot interact with eachother besides the chat pretty much... I also think that in the beginning (first week or so) there will be a lot of interest in the ambulation part. But when it's just "another feature" and the players are used to it I think we'll spend just as much time in space as before. Besides; New players, that have not even played at all before, won¦t see ambulation as a "new thing" but simply a part of the game. They will be just as curious about flying and all the other things.
Cheeba Don Viscosity	Posted - 2008.04.22 13:59:00 - [137] Wow, so many people complain in this game when CCP decides to produce huge expansions to the game for free! In WOW and stuff you have to pay for new expansions right? So eve customers are rlly lucky. And maybe my girlfriend will play eve with me if she can manufacture space-mini-skirts or something :D
Cadela Fria Amarr Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.04.22 14:14:00 - [138] Originally by: Ernesto Hoost Originally by: Malcanis Fitting, manufacturing, r&d, marketing, scamming, corp management: all station-based activities. IOW you're wrong all of those activities involve a quick mouse click then your done. I suppose ambulation will mean it will take far longer to accomplish those activities, walking between locations. Yes, that sounds great. Can't wait to increase the time it takes to log in and out my alts to do something that previously took 1 click. You don't have to do those activities, no one is forcing you to take the long route. Secondly, the "1 click and you're done" argument could be said about mining too, or travelling between solar systems..have you noticed that's a lot of waste time sitting in a warp tunnel, or moving towards an asteroid? Or fighting? It's a waste of time to have a graphical interface and having to manually pilot your ship around for fighting. A few icons to click, and text for the rest. In fact it takes too long to log into a station because of having to load all the fancy blinky blinky stuff going on, and sounds which aren't being used anyway. Docking in a waste of time..Should just access the market of the solarsystem, and buy what you need..it should automatically find the station that has it at the cheapest price and bring it to you. Now that I think about it, moving my capital ships takes too long with all the cyno alt stuff and fuel and nonsense like that. Be faster and simpler if I could just open the F10 map, right click a system and click "jump here", done. I could go on..hopefully by now you get the point.
Miang Hawwa Princeps Corp	Posted - 2008.04.22 14:20:00 - [139] Originally by: pyr8t IÆll be brief: While having avatars and walking around station interiors is a neat idea, thatÆs all it is. After itÆs all said and done, Ambulation is only going to serve as a giant distraction. People stay docked up too much as it is without giving them yet another excuse to do so. Simply put, if youÆre not flying then youÆre not really playing this game. Distractions like Ambulation only encourage people to stay docked-up because in all honesty, most will find it more interesting then piloting. Thus, it will hurt the community long term. Discuss. If people choose to stay in stations that would make Ambulation a good feature thus making your point useless, which is likely going to happen. Ambulation will run in separate server. If you don't want to stay in stations just don't but dont come to whine on forums about something the vast majority of the playerbase actually wants to have. I want Ambulation, I don't care about your whines or others' whines. I made up my mind long time ago. If you rather be limited to a single portrait that's your choice.
Chillshock	Posted - 2008.04.22 14:29:00 - [140] Actually, the absence of a real avatar in this game was one of the first things that I found to be "missing" in eve, way back when I started. When creating my character and seeing the amount of detail you could have when creating it I was so looking forward to see him as a pilot talking the walk through the hangars to look at the ships he could buy with his hard earned isk. Well. I was always looking for a spaceship game like Privateer. I don't know how many know it. It was just awesome. And I loved to dock on stations and planets to find out what they would look like. Ambulation is a great step to complete this game. Its an epic focus-shift from mere "you're a pod - you live in goo!" to the Avatar - the Character - the player. I am so looking forward to this and can just hope that I either have the computer to handle it by then, or some "no lighting" version for older computers. It doesn't need to look life-like. It just needs to exist and be rather cool looking. Also, I am looking forward to see what my girlfriend's minmatar lady will look like. ;)
Kartoir Amarr	Posted - 2008.04.22 14:38:00 - [141] One day I hope they'll make this ambulation able to allow us walking around inside our own spaceships and even docking up with others for a inspection stroll. Regardless ambulation is not going to hinder EVE in any way, it'll just give us more alternatives. The possibilities are endless when it comes to station interaction. Instead of a dry text com with your agent you could walk into his/her office and take it from there.
Lo3d3R MAFIA	Posted - 2008.04.22 14:43:00 - [142] Mucho ungratefull whiners detected, first see what it is, then judge. ___________________ Sexy Time:
Nicholas Barker MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.04.22 14:52:00 - [143] Originally by: pyr8t Simply put, if youÆre not flying then youÆre not really playing this game. what about those people who never undock, because they're builders, building the ships, the guns, and the ammo for you to use. Anybody else who stays docked stays docked because they're bored, this gives them something to do while they're in the station, if they have nothing they want to do in space they can do this instead. They could of course just go play another game, like cod4 or CS or w/e, but then they might miss out on something that might form up while they're away. also gives people who are camped into a station something to do other than just log off, it gives people a reason to play. Alot of people are actually looking forward to having something to do when it's quiet. ---
Freya Runestone Minmatar	Posted - 2008.04.22 14:53:00 - [144] Originally by: pyr8t IÆll be brief: While having avatars and walking around station interiors is a neat idea, thatÆs all it is. After itÆs all said and done, Ambulation is only going to serve as a giant distraction. People stay docked up too much as it is without giving them yet another excuse to do so. Simply put, if youÆre not flying then youÆre not really playing this game. Distractions like Ambulation only encourage people to stay docked-up because in all honesty, most will find it more interesting then piloting. Thus, it will hurt the community long term. Discuss. Lets make all ships in EVE large squares, different size and colors, since the ship models and everything else in eve is just eye-candy made to distract the user.
Florio Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.04.22 15:00:00 - [145] Edited by: Florio on 22/04/2008 15:01:43 I am excited about ambulation. More people than before will actually bother to find out what EVE is about. And I would even be happy to see pets etc if it will attract more women. I presume it would also make EVE more attractive and palatable for a trade sale. It seems to me that ambulation is basically an offering of greater emersion in our world: and I can't see anything wrong with that. EVE becomes a more complete virtual world for us to live in.
Cpt Hound Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.04.22 15:02:00 - [146] Originally by: pyr8t IÆll be brief: While having avatars and walking around station interiors is a neat idea, thatÆs all it is. After itÆs all said and done, Ambulation is only going to serve as a giant distraction. People stay docked up too much as it is without giving them yet another excuse to do so. Simply put, if youÆre not flying then youÆre not really playing this game. Distractions like Ambulation only encourage people to stay docked-up because in all honesty, most will find it more interesting then piloting. Thus, it will hurt the community long term. Discuss. I'll be brief. You sir, are an idiot. Discuss.
Ulstan	Posted - 2008.04.22 15:11:00 - [147] I must admit, I have almost 0 interest in ambulation and a lot in factional warfare. As such, I rather begrudge the time spent working on ambulation, as it could be going towards the (in my opinion) much more interesting factional warfare!
Diek Ran Amarr Autonums	Posted - 2008.04.22 15:23:00 - [148] Originally by: Ulstan I must admit, I have almost 0 interest in ambulation and a lot in factional warfare. As such, I rather begrudge the time spent working on ambulation, as it could be going towards the (in my opinion) much more interesting factional warfare! This. And, to the OP, ambulation sucks because you are the most blemished avatar I've ever seen
Rakshasa Taisab Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Ursa Stellar Initiative	Posted - 2008.04.22 15:23:00 - [149] Originally by: Ulstan As such, I rather begrudge the time spent working on ambulation, as it could be going towards the (in my opinion) much more interesting factional warfare! I have two girlfriends and would like a baby in 4.5 months. ^_^ --- Author of rTorrent, the BitTorrent client for real men and mice.

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