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pyr8t Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.02.23 22:27:00 - [1] IÆll be brief: While having avatars and walking around station interiors is a neat idea, thatÆs all it is. After itÆs all said and done, Ambulation is only going to serve as a giant distraction. People stay docked up too much as it is without giving them yet another excuse to do so. Simply put, if youÆre not flying then youÆre not really playing this game. Distractions like Ambulation only encourage people to stay docked-up because in all honesty, most will find it more interesting then piloting. Thus, it will hurt the community long term. Discuss.
Estel Arador Minmatar Damage over Time Angels Of Discord	Posted - 2008.02.23 22:31:00 - [2] If more people find it interesting, perhaps more people will want to play the game?
Spenz Gallente Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.02.23 22:37:00 - [3] Then don't use it. Nobody is going to force you. Here is the REAL important thing about ambulation. You can fly around all merrily and NEVER have to use ambulation. Meanwhile, Sally Second Life, for some reason, gets interested in eve. She wants to interact, dress up, and see a human(ish) avatar walking around, looking at her, waving, saying 'hi' in some odd eve-like fashion. Boom 1 new subscription. THAT is the important thing about ambulation, not the fact that you don't like it. If I had an Alt I would probably post with it...
Bluefix Gnu Terror Corps	Posted - 2008.02.23 22:38:00 - [4] If people will prefer to stay in stations because of ambulation, it's because it's a good feature and thus makes your point invalid.
Cassandra Wolf	Posted - 2008.02.23 22:46:00 - [5] I wonder if they thought about traffic.. players sitting on station-lists need way less traffic than guys bunnyhopping around station gangways...
Bluefix Gnu Terror Corps	Posted - 2008.02.23 22:47:00 - [6] Originally by: Cassandra Wolf I wonder if they thought about traffic.. players sitting on station-lists need way less traffic than guys bunnyhopping around station gangways... Ambulation will run on seperate servers.
J Mortarius	Posted - 2008.02.23 22:48:00 - [7] Edited by: J Mortarius on 23/02/2008 22:49:21 Originally by: Spenz Then don't use it. Nobody is going to force you. Here is the REAL important thing about ambulation. You can fly around all merrily and NEVER have to use ambulation. Meanwhile, Sally Second Life, for some reason, gets interested in eve. She wants to interact, dress up, and see a human(ish) avatar walking around, looking at her, waving, saying 'hi' in some odd eve-like fashion. Boom 1 new subscription. THAT is the important thing about ambulation, not the fact that you don't like it. So now CCP are more interested in attracting morons from other online 'games' than improving things for their playerbase. I guess the CCP I fell in love with is dead
Rawr Cristina Caldari Cult of Rawr	Posted - 2008.02.23 22:56:00 - [8] Originally by: J Mortarius So now CCP are more interested in attracting morons from other online 'games' than improving things for their playerbase. I guess the CCP I fell in love with is dead They have a seperate team for Ambulation AFAIK. It's a completely seperate project and is having no impact whatsoever on their efforts to improve EVE's gameplay. IMO Ambulation is going to be great addition to EVE and I fully welcome it - If you're not interested then that's fine, just ignore it and stop trying to deny us people who actually want it our wish. Vote Dynamic Tax!
Spenz Gallente Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.02.23 22:56:00 - [9] Originally by: J Mortarius Edited by: J Mortarius on 23/02/2008 22:49:21 Originally by: Spenz Then don't use it. Nobody is going to force you. Here is the REAL important thing about ambulation. You can fly around all merrily and NEVER have to use ambulation. Meanwhile, Sally Second Life, for some reason, gets interested in eve. She wants to interact, dress up, and see a human(ish) avatar walking around, looking at her, waving, saying 'hi' in some odd eve-like fashion. Boom 1 new subscription. THAT is the important thing about ambulation, not the fact that you don't like it. So now CCP are more interested in attracting morons from other online 'games' than improving things for their playerbase. I guess the CCP I fell in love with is dead Your not going to get too many new customers when you consider the MAJORITY of the MMO community "morons". Believe it or not, Eve is a niche game, and amazingly, a LOT of people (especially females) are turned off by the fact that your avatar is a space ship (CCP did a market study so they should know). Close-minded thinking like what you are doing is not what elevated CCP to where they are right now. Maybe you just never understood the CCP that you "loved". EVE is evolving, and ambulation is part of that evolution. I may never use ambulation, but I'm sure as hell going to embrace it, because in the long run it will only make the game better. If I had an Alt I would probably post with it...
Terail Zoqial	Posted - 2008.02.23 22:59:00 - [10] yawn The people who do what they do are going to do it regardless if ambulation is implemented or not. People currently sit in stations chatting, lack of ambulation does'nt seem to be changing things. Granted, peeps will go "oooh, purdy stuff" for a while, then they will turn it off, much like the new gfx. "if youÆre not flying then youÆre not really playing this game" Sure, because we should all be mindless drones and do what people think and say
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2008.02.23 23:03:00 - [11] Originally by: pyr8t IÆll be brief: While having avatars and walking around station interiors is a neat idea, thatÆs all it is. After itÆs all said and done, Ambulation is only going to serve as a giant distraction. People stay docked up too much as it is without giving them yet another excuse to do so. Simply put, if youÆre not flying then youÆre not really playing this game. Distractions like Ambulation only encourage people to stay docked-up because in all honesty, most will find it more interesting then piloting. Thus, it will hurt the community long term. Discuss. Ambulation is still very new, and frankly I who have spent hours searching these forums and questioning the devs on forums and fanfest about the topic dont know what it will bring. heck! Even the devs have no particularily clue of what it will bring! Ideas yes, but thats about it! We have seen many ideas launched. What about a tactical room from where you can control your fleet? You can mark spots where enemies are etc. There will be social gathering points for people. For the corp and alliance members etc. And please dont underestimate the value of social gathering points! Its important indeed! A step for planetary terraforming and colonization? Ok, the dev that I asked about this at the FF told me those where not related, but if you can walk, you are a step forward to be able to conquest and utilize planets! You cot a character! You can see something more then your hangar and the flight cokpit. .. so much more... Yes. There are a whole universe of things you can build on it from the Ambulation! When it comes to the fact it can encourage people to stay docked. I guess that is true. But it a universe of free will and in the fact we are playing a sandbox game where people can do whatever they want to, I cant call this a problem. The same with being a distraction! The fact is we need more things to do! Things we could not do before! I wont stop doing PvP, PvE or mining just because we got ambulation. But with ambulation there might be more things I can do in addition to the things allready mentioned! Also, if you dont like it, you are still able to play eve as always! It is not like it changes the game it allready is! CCP have said that the landbased part wont affect the spacegame, to but it that way. Not to begin with anyway. When it comes to disccussion, I doubt theres anything to discuss. After all we dont know much yet. Maybe if theres a sleepless dev around who would add in here we could have one! I am certainly up for it!! Originally by: CCP Whisper I got your ambulation right here... <walks off to get more wine>
Joe Starbreaker Starbreaker Spaceways Nex Eternus	Posted - 2008.02.23 23:06:00 - [12] Maybe Ambulation will reduce lag in Jita as all the traders log on to an Ambulation server instead of the Jita spaceship server. Possible?
Ernesto Hoost	Posted - 2008.02.23 23:10:00 - [13] Edited by: Ernesto Hoost on 23/02/2008 23:11:42 Originally by: pyr8t Distractions like Ambulation only encourage people to stay docked-up because in all honesty, most will find it more interesting then piloting. Thus, it will hurt the community long term. Discuss. But you can do moonies in station. It's a perfect extension of the station hugging smacktards aresnal.(spelt wrong in case arse is filtered) Smack in local ,making rude gestures in 3D, it's perfect for the under 12's now pouring in. CCP are only interested in money these days, what else did you expect, more hardware to reduce lag? lol, they fooled you with that one
flashfreaking LFC	Posted - 2008.02.23 23:12:00 - [14] Originally by: Ernesto Hoost Edited by: Ernesto Hoost on 23/02/2008 23:11:16 [quote =pyr8t]Distractions like Ambulation only encourage people to stay docked-up because in all honesty, most will find it more interesting then piloting. Thus, it will hurt the community long term. Discuss. But you can do moonies in station. It's a perfect extension of the station hugging smacktards aresnal.(spelt wrong in case arse is filtered) Smack in local ,making rude gestures in 3D, it's perfect for the under 12's now pouring in. CCP are only interested in money these days, what else did you expect, more hardware to reduce lag? lol, they fooled you with that one you fail, look it up: Infiniband. Disallowed sig graphic. Send an e-mail to [email protected] when it meets the forum signature guidelines. ~Saint
Raul Rincon Caldari Eth3real Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.23 23:12:00 - [15] Trolls and idiots abound.
Ernesto Hoost	Posted - 2008.02.23 23:13:00 - [16] Originally by: flashfreaking you fail, look it up: Infiniband. You fail..look it up, it's called reality
Ernesto Hoost	Posted - 2008.02.23 23:15:00 - [17] Originally by: Raul Rincon Trolls and idiots abound. ^^ idiot spotted
Dal Thrax Multiverse Corporation	Posted - 2008.02.23 23:18:00 - [18] Originally by: pyr8t IÆll be brief: While having avatars and walking around station interiors is a neat idea, thatÆs all it is. After itÆs all said and done, Ambulation is only going to serve as a giant distraction. People stay docked up too much as it is without giving them yet another excuse to do so. Simply put, if youÆre not flying then youÆre not really playing this game. Distractions like Ambulation only encourage people to stay docked-up because in all honesty, most will find it more interesting then piloting. Thus, it will hurt the community long term. Discuss. The reason CCP is doing ambulation is so that they can use the same code in the WOD MMO they're working on. Basically EvE ambulation is the beta test of some of their code. Dal Originally by: HEXXX In all seriousness; I think I made a miscalculation originally. . . We either need to fix this or fix our advertising.
Wayson Minmatar Trans Nebula Inc. The Threshold	Posted - 2008.02.23 23:20:00 - [19] Originally by: Raul Rincon Trolls and idiots abound. Welcome to the internet. ___ Victory smiles upon those who anticipate the changes in the character of war, not upon those who wait to adapt themselves after they occur. ~Guilio Douhet
CrayC Gallente CrayC Inc.	Posted - 2008.02.23 23:23:00 - [20] I love it when people talk of something that is not even halfway done yet and claim it fails...
Rawr Cristina Caldari Cult of Rawr	Posted - 2008.02.23 23:25:00 - [21] Originally by: Ernesto Hoost Distractions like Ambulation only encourage people to stay docked-up because in all honesty, most will find it more interesting then piloting. Thus, it will hurt the community long term. The same people who got bored of piloting, remained docked-up all the time and eventually quit anyway? Who knows? It may even sway them back - Give them something to do when they arn't in the mood for PvPing, not to mention the influx of fresh new players it'l bring to the game. IMO it's going to be nothing but good for EVE in the long-term. Vote Dynamic Tax!
Ernesto Hoost	Posted - 2008.02.23 23:29:00 - [22] Edited by: Ernesto Hoost on 23/02/2008 23:28:59 Sort your quoting skills out Rawr And to CrayC, yeah man , walking in stations will absolutely pwn dude. How can it not fail, its what we have all been asking for on forums. The ability to stay docked, and like, you know...move around...yeah can't wait Dude, like moving around whilst docked..omg, can you think of anything better?
Arouu	Posted - 2008.02.23 23:31:00 - [23] Originally by: Joe Starbreaker Maybe Ambulation will reduce lag in Jita as all the traders log on to an Ambulation server instead of the Jita spaceship server. Possible? And where do you think they will be docked while walking about on ambulation? And why do you think people go to jita? For a lol?
OwlManAtt Gallente Yasashii Syndicate	Posted - 2008.02.23 23:36:00 - [24] Edited by: OwlManAtt on 23/02/2008 23:36:12 Originally by: flashfreaking you fail, look it up: Infiniband. EDIT: I suck at quoting So where is it? The lag has been an issue for a very long time. There may very well be two separate teams working on the two projects, but those people working on Ambulation are still getting paid money that could be allocated to fixing the problems that have been going on for over a year. All I'm saying is that launching a radically different thing that doesn't really benefit gameplay when there are huge problems like server lag simply does not inspire faith. Sure, it may attract some people that our elitist PvPers find undesirable, and that's another sale for CCP. But for how many veterans is that going to be the straw that broke the camel's back? How many sales have been lost as a result of people crying about lag that CCP never fixes? Churn is doubleplusungood. Then again, maybe the benefits they saw when they did their research outweights the loss they could potentially see as a result. Personally, I think Ambulation will be a neat toy. But unless they find some way to integrate it into actual gameplay, I don't see myself using the feature more than once. To sum it up, my whole argument is what good does Ambulation do me, as an existing customer, today? --- SVP OwlManAtt, Yasashii Syndicate
Paeniteo Synthetic Frontiers	Posted - 2008.02.23 23:36:00 - [25] Would you stop with the speculation, you can't predict the future with the info CCP spoon feeds us. Relax.
Ernesto Hoost	Posted - 2008.02.23 23:41:00 - [26] Edited by: Ernesto Hoost on 23/02/2008 23:45:04 Originally by: OwlManAtt But unless they find some way to integrate it into actual gameplay, I don't see myself using the feature more than once. To sum it up, my whole argument is what good does Ambulation do me, as an existing customer, today? The most obvious question to the developers at the last fanfest, was "do I have to use ambulation to fit my ship" The answer of course was "no, you can disable it and still have the same functions you have now" Amazing feature, one that will be switched off by the majority of EVE that actually undock, but a nice little exercise in CCP's use of the current paying subscribers to beta test their next project
Ash Vincetti Decorum Inc	Posted - 2008.02.24 00:02:00 - [27] Edited by: Ash Vincetti on 24/02/2008 00:02:26 Quote: Amazing feature, one that will be switched off by the majority of EVE that actually undock Don't speak for me, I fully intend to use this feature, and yes, I do undock with surprising frequency. If you wanted to say "Amazing Feature, one that will be switched off BY ME", then we are talking, but until you have ran a market study and can conclusively prove that "The majority of EVE that actually undock" doesn't want the feature, it's just conjecture. Quote: but a nice little exercise in CCP's use of the current paying subscribers to beta test their next project You say this like it's a bad thing. ----- free bree!
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.02.24 00:03:00 - [28] Originally by: Sereifex Daku Originally by: Rawr Cristina Originally by: J Mortarius So now CCP are more interested in attracting morons from other online 'games' than improving things for their playerbase. I guess the CCP I fell in love with is dead They have a seperate team for Ambulation AFAIK. It's a completely seperate project and is having no impact whatsoever on their efforts to improve EVE's gameplay. IMO Ambulation is going to be great addition to EVE and I fully welcome it - If you're not interested then that's fine, just ignore it and stop trying to deny us people who actually want it our wish. Ok, so they have a seperate team for Ambulation..but those resources could have been put towards improving the actual EVE game. Those people had to come from somewhere. I do admit that I've always wanted to be able to walk outside of my ship...but at the same time I fear changes that make EVE more similar to all the other mmorpgs out there. IIRC the ambulation engine is coming from the White Wolf game, which is a completely separate project. It's only the pretty eve-specific pictures that will require extra resources. So yeah, there's some upfront cost. But the idea is that this will attract new players = more resources. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Ernesto Hoost	Posted - 2008.02.24 00:07:00 - [29] Originally by: Ash Vincetti You say this like it's a bad thing. You pay to Beta test? I can do the roll eyes thing too. Oh and when you want to switch a web for a sensor booster and undock quickly to join the fight, I am guessing you will be that fool that WALKS to the market Yeah Ambulation rocks...but you are right, it's just ME that thinks moving around in a station is not exactly a game that I would pay for
J Mortarius	Posted - 2008.02.24 00:07:00 - [30] Edited by: J Mortarius on 24/02/2008 00:08:53 Originally by: Spenz Originally by: J Mortarius Edited by: J Mortarius on 23/02/2008 22:49:21 Originally by: Spenz Then don't use it. Nobody is going to force you. Here is the REAL important thing about ambulation. You can fly around all merrily and NEVER have to use ambulation. Meanwhile, Sally Second Life, for some reason, gets interested in eve. She wants to interact, dress up, and see a human(ish) avatar walking around, looking at her, waving, saying 'hi' in some odd eve-like fashion. Boom 1 new subscription. THAT is the important thing about ambulation, not the fact that you don't like it. So now CCP are more interested in attracting morons from other online 'games' than improving things for their playerbase. I guess the CCP I fell in love with is dead Your not going to get too many new customers when you consider the MAJORITY of the MMO community "morons". Believe it or not, Eve is a niche game, and amazingly, a LOT of people (especially females) are turned off by the fact that your avatar is a space ship (CCP did a market study so they should know). Close-minded thinking like what you are doing is not what elevated CCP to where they are right now. Maybe you just never understood the CCP that you "loved". EVE is evolving, and ambulation is part of that evolution. I may never use ambulation, but I'm sure as hell going to embrace it, because in the long run it will only make the game better. I get where you are coming from, but as you said, EVE is a niche game, for the minority of people who prefer gameplay over aesthetics and risk over reward (I'm generalising here but hayho). So ask yourself this: Howcome CCP are attempting to turn their niche game into a mainstream game? If people from WoW, Second Life, etc come here for Ambulation and end up playing in the shaceships as well won't it only be a matter of time before public opinion in EVE radically sways towards boosting reward, decreasing risk and turning everything into fluffy wuffy elves on fluffy wuffy mounts? I'm getting quite ahead of myself, but I like to try and spot potential problems as soon as they pop up on the horizon. EVE Online is the only mmo that I actually like, so I really don't want it all to go down the toilet.

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