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0raven0 Point-Zero SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.25 14:16:00 - [1] In my zealot i just 1v1ed a nano zealot as I been hearing people say that the nano zealot can kill a vaga. Even with an armor repairer fitted on the zealot I barely got his passive tanked shields down to 75%. So why do people say nano zealot can kill vaga? Also if nano ships are supposed to be paper thin and use speed for tank why do they get such strong passive shield tanks? ------ Quote: tuxford: AT LEAST ITS SPEELED CORRECTLY tuxford: spelled* Oveur: rofl
Wishy Amarr	Posted - 2008.02.25 14:25:00 - [2] Not sure if ppl are talking about when the zealot is nanoed But tanked zealot slaughters Vagabond cause of high tracking...Btw vaga'z aint passive tanked...(Think they're passive recharge is 33dps) Just a huge hp buffer. Were you running mwd when you were killing him? :o
Riho Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.02.25 14:31:00 - [3] vagas.. hardly nano ishtars are another thing tho :P they cant hurt you enough before you own theyr 0% em resisted shield :) iv 1vs1 against a nano ishtar in my nano zealot and he couldnt even get through half my shields :P and i had armor tank/nano setup :) ---------------------------------- This is Me
0raven0 Point-Zero SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.25 14:31:00 - [4] Edited by: 0raven0 on 25/02/2008 14:33:09 Nah both of our mwds had been turned off. How does a tanked zealot keep him from running though? and for this high tracking do you have to use crystals other than scorch? ------ Quote: tuxford: AT LEAST ITS SPEELED CORRECTLY tuxford: spelled* Oveur: rofl
ZelRox Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.25 14:32:00 - [5] The ***** here beeing vagabonds high em resistance. ---------------------- BiH 4tw
Grytok moon7empler Ev0ke	Posted - 2008.02.25 14:35:00 - [6] You can't kill a Vaga 1vs1, as the Vaga can allways run away from you. Thats all about it, scare them off. Proper fitted Vaga gets over 9k Shield with 75% EM resist, so it will take you quiet some time to grind that away. On the other hand you've got 80+% against Explosive on shield and armor and 70% against everything else on armor, so he won't be able to kill you either, if you've fitted a small tank. .
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Home 0f Bored Occultists	Posted - 2008.02.25 18:31:00 - [7] If you fitted basic tank with 1 repper and cap injection vaga will have a hard time. He'll prolly run. -------------------------------------- The Inquisition III - Relentless Retaliation
Nasta443	Posted - 2008.02.25 18:35:00 - [8] The zealot against the vagabond is lovely because the vagabond will have to be flying at 17k at which point you can shoot the ******, stay within tracking, and be at optimal compared with his deeper and deeper falloff. And if he turns on the MWD at 17 km he'll probably be pushed away enough to hit him even with the MWD on. Can't get too close to attempt to outdps you, can't get too far either. You probably have sucky skills.
0raven0 Point-Zero SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.25 18:58:00 - [9] Edited by: 0raven0 on 25/02/2008 18:58:37 Originally by: Lyria Skydancer If you fitted basic tank with 1 repper and cap injection vaga will have a hard time. He'll prolly run. Yeah I had that. Originally by: Nasta443 You probably have sucky skills. I have 26.6m SP, 6m of it in gunnery, 8.5m SP in spaceship command and about 2m SP in mechanic. It had nothing to do with skills, and post with your main. My fitting was: 4x Heavy Pulse II 10mn MWD Scram Injector Medium armor rep II 3x Overdrive Injector II 2x Nanofiber II 1x Heat sink II ------ Quote: tuxford: AT LEAST ITS SPEELED CORRECTLY tuxford: spelled* Oveur: rofl
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation	Posted - 2008.02.25 19:03:00 - [10] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 25/02/2008 19:03:32 Originally by: 0raven0 It had nothing to do with skills, and post with your main. Not all skills in PVP are character skills. -Liang Ed: I would be surprised if a Zealot took a Vaga out though, because the Vaga can just run away. -- My new keyboard is awesome... I can type again (beware Eve-O spreaders of misinformation!)
Grytok moon7empler Ev0ke	Posted - 2008.02.25 21:46:00 - [11] Originally by: 0raven0 Edited by: 0raven0 on 25/02/2008 18:58:37 Originally by: Lyria Skydancer If you fitted basic tank with 1 repper and cap injection vaga will have a hard time. He'll prolly run. Yeah I had that. Originally by: Nasta443 You probably have sucky skills. I have 26.6m SP, 6m of it in gunnery, 8.5m SP in spaceship command and about 2m SP in mechanic. It had nothing to do with skills, and post with your main. My fitting was: 4x Heavy Pulse II 10mn MWD Scram Injector Medium armor rep II 3x Overdrive Injector II 2x Nanofiber II 1x Heat sink II Your fitting fails alot there. 3x Overdrive II = 123m¦ Cargo = 3x CapBooster 800 lol Next, you've to fit atleast 2x Heatsink, 3x is usual. Fit a Large CapBattery and invest in Polycarbs, when you're going to nano the Zealot. [Zealot] Medium Armor Repairer II Energized Thermic Membrane II Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Dark Blood Warp Disruptor Large Capacitor Battery II Heavy Pulse Laser II Heavy Pulse Laser II Heavy Pulse Laser II Heavy Pulse Laser II [empty high slot] Polycarbon Engine Housing I Polycarbon Engine Housing I Does more damage, has more speed and it's cap lasts longer then your setup. .
Gamesguy Amarr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.25 21:59:00 - [12] Edited by: Gamesguy on 25/02/2008 21:59:29 You cant really beat a nano-vaga with a nano-zealot 1v1. If the vaga wanted to he could just charge into point blank range, load RF PP, and wtfpwn the zealot. Vaga has a lot more hp than the zealot in addition to the extremely high em/therm resists. A nano-sacriledge can kill a vaga though. You can pretty much perma tank the vaga if you run the dual rep setup, and it has a battleship sized cargo bay for lots of 800 charges(11 or so IIRC) even after the ODs.
0raven0 Point-Zero SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.25 23:04:00 - [13] Edited by: 0raven0 on 25/02/2008 23:04:23 Originally by: Grytok setup. Yeah but I can't afford poly rigs. Your setup still wouldn't kill a vaga 1v1. Thats what this thread is about. ------ Quote: tuxford: AT LEAST ITS SPEELED CORRECTLY tuxford: spelled* Oveur: rofl
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation	Posted - 2008.02.25 23:08:00 - [14] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 25/02/2008 23:08:20 Originally by: 0raven0 Yeah but I can't afford poly rigs. Your setup still wouldn't kill a vaga 1v1. Thats what this thread is about. A Vaga won't kill a nano sacrilege... everything in Eve is about bringing the right tool for the job. -Liang Ed: and lol at not affording poly rigs for your nano hac. :/ -- My new keyboard is awesome... I can type again (beware Eve-O spreaders of misinformation!)
0raven0 Point-Zero SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.25 23:15:00 - [15] Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 25/02/2008 23:08:20 Originally by: 0raven0 Yeah but I can't afford poly rigs. Your setup still wouldn't kill a vaga 1v1. Thats what this thread is about. A Vaga won't kill a nano sacrilege... everything in Eve is about bringing the right tool for the job. -Liang Ed: and lol at not affording poly rigs for your nano hac. :/ I wasn't talking about nano sac, was talking about nano zealot. some people say zealot can kill vaga both nanoed. Polys also would not have any effect at all in a 1v1 nano zealot vs nano vaga. ------ Quote: tuxford: AT LEAST ITS SPEELED CORRECTLY tuxford: spelled* Oveur: rofl
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation	Posted - 2008.02.25 23:24:00 - [16] Originally by: 0raven0 I wasn't talking about nano sac, was talking about nano zealot. some people say zealot can kill vaga both nanoed. Polys also would not have any effect at all in a 1v1 nano zealot vs nano vaga. Actually, they would. Out of curiosity, are you one of the better Smash pilots? -Liang -- My new keyboard is awesome... I can type again (beware Eve-O spreaders of misinformation!)
Jonny MoJo Amarr	Posted - 2008.02.25 23:29:00 - [17] Edited by: Jonny MoJo on 25/02/2008 23:30:09 Ignore idiots saying Nano Zealots They are just EFT warriros thinking they are smart because zealot has 7 lows. They are fools. Zealot tracking would miss a vaga, and vaga has way better tracking than zealot. Also, Vaga has crazy Em resist, and vaga can change ammo to avoid the worst of zealots exp resist. Again, ask you self - Why dont proper and the best pvpers in the game use nano zealot? Because they are not idiot! Let me repeat Nanoing up a Laser ship with the worst tracking of all cruiser short range guns = brainfart. Refresh for next Real life CCP Sig(21 Total)
Aramendel Amarr North Face Force	Posted - 2008.02.25 23:43:00 - [18] 1.) The vaga is the better nano ship. 2.) The whole zealot vs vaga comparsion is utterly pointless. You do not measure 2 ships performance compared to each other by how they do vs each other. I.e.: Ship A is beating ship B, but is loosing vs ship C-Z Ship B is loosing vs ship B, but is killing ship C-Z Since ship A is beating ship B it is the better ship, right? Right? No. You compare the performance of 2 ships by comparing their performance vs ALL targets, not only their performance vs each other. (Yes, yes, I know that the OP was comparing them specifically vs each other because people claimed a nanozealot could be a vaga, but this whole thread is going into the "what is the better ship" direction now.)
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation	Posted - 2008.02.26 00:03:00 - [19] Originally by: Aramendel 1.) The vaga is the better nano ship. 2.) The whole zealot vs vaga comparsion is utterly pointless. You do not measure 2 ships performance compared to each other by how they do vs each other. I.e.: Ship A is beating ship B, but is loosing vs ship C-Z Ship B is loosing vs ship B, but is killing ship C-Z Since ship A is beating ship B it is the better ship, right? Right? No. You compare the performance of 2 ships by comparing their performance vs ALL targets, not only their performance vs each other. (Yes, yes, I know that the OP was comparing them specifically vs each other because people claimed a nanozealot could be a vaga, but this whole thread is going into the "what is the better ship" direction now.) Yes. I also said earlier that I'd be surprised if a nano Zealot took out a Vaga. ;-) -Liang -- My new keyboard is awesome... I can type again (beware Eve-O spreaders of misinformation!)
0raven0 Point-Zero SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.26 01:09:00 - [20] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: 0raven0 I wasn't talking about nano sac, was talking about nano zealot. some people say zealot can kill vaga both nanoed. Polys also would not have any effect at all in a 1v1 nano zealot vs nano vaga. Actually, they would. Please explain. Originally by: Liang Nuren Out of curiosity, are you one of the better Smash pilots? I have 93.5% efficiency, but what does that have to do with this? If your trying to offend me I can't understand why... ------ Quote: tuxford: AT LEAST ITS SPEELED CORRECTLY tuxford: spelled* Oveur: rofl
Cpt Branko Surge. Night's Dawn	Posted - 2008.02.26 01:20:00 - [21] Originally by: Jonny MoJo They are fools. Zealot tracking would miss a vaga, and vaga has way better tracking than zealot. Look, it is a JoJo, the forum troll used by Amarr Whiners! Durr, hitting things with a 800m-1km sig radius is so hard ;) Do you have motion prediction -8 trained or something? Originally by: Jonny MoJo Nanoing up a Laser ship with the worst tracking of all cruiser short range guns = brainfart. Lasers track just fine (hell, for fending off a nanoship in the T1 falloff unbonused world, lasers do so much better really), and, really, nothing wrong at all with nanoing a Zealot. Of course, you'd know all about proper and the best PvP-ers in the game, given there's no actual record of you PvPing anywhere, JoJo. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation	Posted - 2008.02.26 01:23:00 - [22] Originally by: 0raven0 Please explain. Well, the long and short of it is this: - You go faster - You accelerate faster - You turn faster It's not entirely unreasonable for one nano ship to run from another if that's their intention... and this is especially true the higher the speeds in question are. They probably won't make you win but you'll certainly have a higher chance of not losing. Additional benefits to a nano zealot: - You can MWD longer - You can shoot longer - You have much longer effective range - You deal the perfect damage type against most shield tanked ratters - Tracking disruptors are not going to ***you next patch Quote:** I have 93.5% efficiency, but what does that have to do with this? If your trying to offend me I can't understand why... Eh, I am going to decide not to be an ass... but the insults were definitely prepared. ;-) -Liang -- My new keyboard is awesome... I can type again (beware Eve-O spreaders of misinformation!)
0raven0 Point-Zero SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.26 04:41:00 - [23] Originally by: Liang Nuren - Tracking disruptors are not going to ***you next patch Are they getting a nerf too? or just a boost against falloff? ------ Quote:** tuxford: AT LEAST ITS SPEELED CORRECTLY tuxford: spelled* Oveur: rofl
Jonny MoJo Amarr	Posted - 2008.02.26 07:23:00 - [24] Edited by: Jonny MoJo on 26/02/2008 07:25:27 Originally by: Cpt Branko Pro-Nano Zealot stuff Why dont any high quality pvpers use nano zealot? I know, because I am right that they are a load of crap! Nano zealot is a brainfart concept. Capless weapons on Nano setups, and also weapons that dont miss work. Refresh for next Real life CCP Sig(21 Total)
Riho Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.02.26 07:59:00 - [25] Originally by: Jonny MoJo Only people who talk about Nano zealot are EFTers. because you have never pvpd in your little carebear life, doesnt mean that anyone else doesnt fly it. so plz... stfu i use nano zealot whit great effect. solo and in gangs. in nano gangs its awesome. 4x hp t2 faction mwd, faction disruptor, large cap battery t2 3x od t2, mar t2, ean t2, cap relay t2, hs t2 2x poly i prefer cap battery as then i dont have to carry around charges ---------------------------------- This is Me
Jonny MoJo Amarr	Posted - 2008.02.26 09:29:00 - [26] Edited by: Jonny MoJo on 26/02/2008 09:32:39 Originally by: Riho Originally by: Jonny MoJo Only people who talk about Nano zealot are EFTers. because you have never pvpd in your little carebear life, doesnt mean that anyone else doesnt fly it. so plz... stfu i use nano zealot whit great effect. solo and in gangs. in nano gangs its awesome. 4x hp t2 faction mwd, faction disruptor, large cap battery t2 3x od t2, mar t2, ean t2, cap relay t2, hs t2 2x poly i prefer cap battery as then i dont have to carry around charges lol at setup. seriously, have you ever pvped? that ship will die vs competent pvper! I love your cap battery quote. 20 people killing 1 ratter is not pvp, you can use cargo expander zealot and get simaler result. I.E useless. Refresh for next Real life CCP Sig(21 Total)
Riho Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.02.26 09:41:00 - [27] Originally by: Jonny MoJo Edited by: Jonny MoJo on 26/02/2008 09:32:39 Originally by: Riho Originally by: Jonny MoJo Only people who talk about Nano zealot are EFTers. because you have never pvpd in your little carebear life, doesnt mean that anyone else doesnt fly it. so plz... stfu i use nano zealot whit great effect. solo and in gangs. in nano gangs its awesome. 4x hp t2 faction mwd, faction disruptor, large cap battery t2 3x od t2, mar t2, ean t2, cap relay t2, hs t2 2x poly i prefer cap battery as then i dont have to carry around charges lol at setup. seriously, have you ever pvped? that ship will die vs competent pvper! I love your cap battery quote. 20 people killing 1 ratter is not pvp, you can use cargo expander zealot and get simaler result. I.E useless. i have well over 1000 real ship kill under my experiance (that means no shuttles, noobships) so i know what im talking about. this fit works. it works solo aswell. i fly around alot solo... mybe you should stick to mining in high sec like you have so far by the stuff your posting. (yes i have looked through your post history) ---------------------------------- This is Me
Cpt Branko Surge. Night's Dawn	Posted - 2008.02.26 10:53:00 - [28] Edited by: Cpt Branko on 26/02/2008 10:53:54 Originally by: Jonny MoJo lol at setup. seriously, have you ever pvped? that ship will die vs competent pvper! I love your cap battery quote. 20 people killing 1 ratter is not pvp, you can use cargo expander zealot and get simaler result. I.E useless. That is a JoJo, the forum troll used by Amarr Whiners. JoJo is saying 'have you ever PvP-ed' Funny thing is, I never found a record of JoJo pew-pewing, anywhere. First EFT pirate ever, maybe? Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Grytok moon7empler Ev0ke	Posted - 2008.02.26 11:31:00 - [29] Jonny, Jonny, Jonny... ..you've absolutely no clue what you're talkning about, by saying that the Zealot has worse tracking then a Vagabond. The Vagabond has to fit Barrage for beeing effective, staying out of Webber-Range, whilst the Zealot can shoot away with T1-Crystals and don't get a tracking-malus. So Tracking is even here for both ships. Zealot has an advantage by shooting in optimal range, while the Vagabond is deep into FallOff. I stick with it. The Vagabond won't be able to kill a Zealot and vice versa in a 1vs1. nanoZealot works fine in gangs. .
Kagura Nikon Minmatar Infinity Enterprises Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.26 11:39:00 - [30] For las time! Nano vagas don 't exist!! All vagas are speed setup. So speaking nano vaga is completely dumb and make you soudn like you never flown one. ------------------------------------------------- If brute force doesn't solve your problem... you are not using enough
Auron Shadowbane Pelennor Swarm UnNatural Selection.	Posted - 2008.02.26 11:51:00 - [31] Originally by: Kagura Nikon For las time! Nano vagas don 't exist!! All vagas are speed setup. So speaking nano vaga is completely dumb and make you soudn like you never flown one. never heard of the drone-domi?
Xofii	Posted - 2008.02.26 13:03:00 - [32] It's rather stupid saying that no competent pvper flies the nano-Zealot as someone here did. Is a vaga often the better ship in a nano gang? sure! Does that render the zealot useless? No! As amarr using lasers you have a rather limited arsenal if you wanna partake in a nano gang, the cap battery zealot works fine. You'll get close to 6kms in speed having a competent leadership char in gang with a plain vanilla t2 setup. You have a 30k optimal with scorch, and if you have tacklers you can fit a lseII on there as well granting you ca 20k hp buffer. This is a ship that can also be fitted as a sniping hac. Only issue with the nano-zealot atm is that it doesnt have high enough dps advantage over the vaga given the drawbacks. With the new 5 turret zealot it will have. Amarr are a gang race. In a gang:* 5 HP II with 2 HS II and 30k optimal, as well as good speed, maneuverability and some ehp * is a good ship. //Xofii
Riho Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.02.26 13:22:00 - [33] i want to point out that the new 5 turret zealot is going to be plain evil in nano gangs :) for the reason that its OPTIMAL range is going to be at 30 km where as vaga is fighting well into falloff at those ranges. i have never said zealot is better than a vaga speed fitted. vaga is better as it has 4 mids, better tank (well buffer) and 6 weapons + 5 light drones. like the poster above me said.... 5 turrets whit 2 HS i going to be evil :) ---------------------------------- This is Me, fighting stupidity one post at a time. PS: There are no computer BUGs, there is stuff called "Random Features"
Xofii	Posted - 2008.02.26 14:01:00 - [34] I'd just like to add that versatility in a ship is a fine thing, as long as the ship can actually fill the funciton well enough to be considered for the task at hand. The nano-zealot can be varied in many shapes and forms, you can get it tankier/speedier/deadlier etc. You can also get it fairly good at sniping. Is there drawbacks to this? ofc there are, thats called balance. Jack of all trade ships arent supposed to outshine the contenders specialized for the task, but they are supposed to compete. Zealot is one of those ships that at first glance, especially in EFT, looks extremely meek. Only issue that the zealot has is the comparatively low dps which as stated is beeing fixed. I'm saying that the zealot is not a ship so weak thats its unflyable in its current incarnation either. The zealot can be made to break 4kms in spead while maintaining a 28k ehp buffer tank while having ca 350 dps. If you want more dps, you get ca 22k ehp and ca 400dps. These are plain vanilla t2 no implant fittings. Given the extreme speed situation today 4kms is a tad slow for a pure nano hac, but still I like my zealot and its pure fun flying it :) //Xofii
Kruel Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.02.26 18:09:00 - [35] There's not much a nanozealot has over a vaga. Only thing I can think of is being able to kill ratting battleships easier, but you'd need a faction scram to stay out of heavy neut range. A tank zealot will make a vaga run though.
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation	Posted - 2008.02.26 18:16:00 - [36] Originally by: Kruel There's not much a nanozealot has over a vaga. Only thing I can think of is being able to kill ratting battleships easier, but you'd need a faction scram to stay out of heavy neut range. A tank zealot will make a vaga run though. That really kinda makes sense though, because you're shoehorning the Zealot into a role for which it wasn't really designed. It still performs (and reasonably well), but a ship 100% geared to that kind of fighting probably SHOULD have the advantage there. -Liang -- My new keyboard is awesome... I can type again (beware Eve-O spreaders of misinformation!)
0raven0 Point-Zero SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.27 02:45:00 - [37] Another question. If you have every skill trained for lasers missiles ect is there any advantage in using a nano zealot vs a nano sac? ------ Quote: tuxford: AT LEAST ITS SPEELED CORRECTLY tuxford: spelled* Oveur: rofl
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation	Posted - 2008.02.27 02:50:00 - [38] Originally by: 0raven0 Another question. If you have every skill trained for lasers missiles ect is there any advantage in using a nano zealot vs a nano sac? IIRC, the Zealot has alot higher range than the Sac. -Liang -- My new keyboard is awesome... I can type again (beware Eve-O spreaders of misinformation!)
0raven0 Point-Zero SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.27 03:02:00 - [39] Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: 0raven0 Another question. If you have every skill trained for lasers missiles ect is there any advantage in using a nano zealot vs a nano sac? IIRC, the Zealot has alot higher range than the Sac. -Liang Can sac hit to t2 warp disruptor range? ------ Quote: tuxford: AT LEAST ITS SPEELED CORRECTLY tuxford: spelled* Oveur: rofl
Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation	Posted - 2008.02.27 04:05:00 - [40] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 27/02/2008 04:06:33 Originally by: 0raven0 Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: 0raven0 Another question. If you have every skill trained for lasers missiles ect is there any advantage in using a nano zealot vs a nano sac? IIRC, the Zealot has alot higher range than the Sac. -Liang Can sac hit to t2 warp disruptor range? Not without rigs/implants. More importantly, can the Sac hit beyond heavy neut range? No. -Liang Ed: It occured to me that you can use Javs, but that kinda defeats the purpose of a nano ship. -- My new keyboard is awesome... I can type again (beware Eve-O spreaders of misinformation!)
Kruel Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.02.27 05:07:00 - [41] Edited by: Kruel on 27/02/2008 05:14:04 Originally by: Liang Nuren Edited by: Liang Nuren on 27/02/2008 04:06:33 Originally by: 0raven0 Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: 0raven0 Another question. If you have every skill trained for lasers missiles ect is there any advantage in using a nano zealot vs a nano sac? IIRC, the Zealot has alot higher range than the Sac. -Liang Can sac hit to t2 warp disruptor range? Not without rigs/implants. More importantly, can the Sac hit beyond heavy neut range? No. -Liang Yup, you can kill ratting battleships with inpunity in the zealot. I used to use a nano zealot with a faction disruptor for just that. Couldn't hit cruisers worth a damn without dive bombing though. Edit: Using a Sac with 2x hydraulic bay thruster rigs and top skills for missiles, you can barely stay out of heavy neut range. Probably wouldn't work well in a realistic situation though where orbits are hard to keep steady.
Norris Packard Wings of Redemption Black Flag Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.27 08:44:00 - [42] Zealots are faster lol. It is true, just not practical.
Bobbeh Celestial Frontier Inc Celestial Frontier	Posted - 2008.02.27 09:02:00 - [43] Have a friend in a rapier cloaked somewhere near, I find that helps alot

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Nanoing up a Laser ship with the worst tracking of all cruiser short range guns = brainfart.

Nanoing up a Laser ship with the worst tracking of all cruiser short range guns = brainfart.