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ISD Tsuki Kiyuu ISD Interstellar Correspondents	Posted - 2008.02.27 08:09:00 - [91] Article on this and broader issues for anyone interested.

Herring Alcatraz Inc. Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2008.02.27 08:35:00 - [92] Originally by: LeeLee Zar How do they destroy Hulks in High sec? Do they suicide gank or are they can flipping? Can flipping. And honestly, people that attack can flippers in a hulk deserve every bit of the pain and mayhem that follows. I'm sick of reinstalling, it's not what my days off are for
Dai Nau Mothership Connection Inc. GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.27 08:37:00 - [93] Originally by: Herring Originally by: LeeLee Zar How do they destroy Hulks in High sec? Do they suicide gank or are they can flipping? Can flipping. And honestly, people that attack can flippers in a hulk deserve every bit of the pain and mayhem that follows. don't respond to questions you don't know the answer to
OldPueblo DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.27 08:56:00 - [94] Originally by: ISD Tsuki Kiyuu Article on this and broader issues for anyone interested. Wow you really should proofread that. --------------
Brmble Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.27 09:03:00 - [95] Originally by: Herring Originally by: LeeLee Zar How do they destroy Hulks in High sec? Do they suicide gank or are they can flipping? Can flipping. And honestly, people that attack can flippers in a hulk deserve every bit of the pain and mayhem that follows. lol ~ no not believin in urself ~
Papa Ina GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.27 09:06:00 - [96] Originally by: Herring Originally by: LeeLee Zar How do they destroy Hulks in High sec? Do they suicide gank or are they can flipping? Can flipping. And honestly, people that attack can flippers in a hulk deserve every bit of the pain and mayhem that follows. I guess it is possible that you could fail harder at this. I don't know how though. You should probably not take whatever you hear at face value.

ISD Tsuki Kiyuu ISD Interstellar Correspondents	Posted - 2008.02.27 09:19:00 - [97] Is there something I've overlooked, Old Pueblo?

Asuka Mei	Posted - 2008.02.27 09:32:00 - [98] Edited by: Asuka Mei on 27/02/2008 09:33:10 Its understandable that you would not want us to know your tactics, fair enough. You dont want us mining in high sec and its impossible for us to mine in 0.0. Low sec there is just no reward vs the risk. So if I may ask... where would you like us to mine? Im pretty new to the game and I only recently finished training for my hulk. In 0.0 we cant kill the rats so we cant mine there. You might say "Get some one to protect you while you mine", but that means I can only mine when my friend is online and im sure he doesnt want to sit and watch me mine for hours. Im also not sure on how to go about mining in 0.0. Ive got no pvp experience and Ive only been to 0.0 once... and it didn't end well for me. A lot of ppl want us to move to 0.0 but then also tell us not to go if we cant afford to lose our ship. What they fail to realize is that we are miners... we will never be able to afford to lose our ships :/ How ever, I do like the feeling the goons have given me as a miner. Just makes the game a bit more fun :)
Toffles GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.27 09:36:00 - [99] Originally by: ISD Tsuki Kiyuu Is there something I've overlooked, Old Pueblo? I think the guy meant to say 34 billion not million.
Boberty B	Posted - 2008.02.27 10:42:00 - [100] Originally by: LeeLee Zar How do they destroy Hulks in High sec? Do they suicide gank or are they can flipping? They are suiciding, with a mix of caracals and sometimes they use a Dominix.

Dana Foxworth Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.27 12:06:00 - [101] Originally by: Boberty B Edited by: Boberty B on 27/02/2008 10:47:21 Edited by: Boberty B on 27/02/2008 10:46:27 Originally by: LeeLee Zar How do they destroy Hulks in High sec? Do they suicide gank or are they can flipping? They are suiciding, with a mix of caracals and sometimes they use a Dominix. Shame they`re not posting on theyre KB the losses to concord, it would be interesting to see what sort of profit / loss they might be making (although its not clear whether they are doing it for profit and just for S** and giggles tbh) Seeing as the fittings on the vast majority are worthless, I'm going to guess they're doing it by the will of aforementioned deity. SACK**
ishkabibble Black Avatar Lost Sheep Domain	Posted - 2008.02.27 12:29:00 - [102] GS is actually pulling a quick one on all of us the way it looks..... Grief the hell out of everyone till they either give up EvE or join GS If they cant beat GS, join GS Quite impressive i must say Never argue with an Idiot. They'll bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience
Schani Kratnorr Internal Revenue Service	Posted - 2008.02.27 13:41:00 - [103] Edited by: Schani Kratnorr on 27/02/2008 13:41:44 Originally by: ISD Tsuki Kiyuu Article on this and broader issues for anyone interested. From an out of game perspective, I find it worrying that CCP rides along with what is essentially a reference to a fanatical pseydo-religious practice. Now I am no muslim scolar, so I may be wrong, but Jihad used to be about inner struggle, and enlightenment. It has since been redefined to mean something like blow yourself up in the name the lord... CCP publishing a newsitem about Goonswarm doing what they do is all well and good, but can we leave the real world references to religious terror out? And before anyone starts yelling at me to be less sensitive, and how it's all "their fault", please let me remind you that part of the attraction of EVE, is to escape the world we live in.
Katarlia Simov Minmatar Cowboys From Hell	Posted - 2008.02.27 14:52:00 - [104] I totally get the idea of ganking CNRs , especially those belonging to obvious isk seller alts. Suicidie ganking one can't be that easy, and im sure that you must get some nice loot drops from them. That makes sense. You take a fair losses in exchange for loot and a SWEET killmail, in excahnge for nailing someone who is probably an ISK seller and therefore beyond contempt. But why the hell would you bother going for Hulks ? I mean seriously.... The best it'll drop is modulated strips, while not the cheapest things out there aren't rare or valuable in the grand scheme of things. Plus, your attacking people who genuinely can't fight back. Ok, people suckered by can swapping should know better, but thats not really enough reason to divorce them from their ship. I mean... whats so offencive about mining veld? Im also kinda disappointed in the whole 'they should be out in 0.0' thing. Industrial pilots who may genuinely have almost no combat skills beyond cruiser 5 for ultimate osprey joy, and have spent a huge amount of time working on T2 production, resreach and refining skills can be entirely forgiven for not wanting to go out to 'the front lines' where there assets are risked. It would be like going on a killing spree in the local shopping centre of your choice and when the cops ask you why you tell them 'because they didn't want to die and just went about their buisness'... Its irrational and frankly its the type of thing that this game doesn't need. As if the current crop of grief-war corps, as well as a nearly uninhabitable low-sec, we have to put up with one of the biggest alliances taking out some frustration on people who don't even have guns fitted. Why not send out the same pilots to go after low sec carriers and motherships ? Or whipe out some sentry tankers ? Why do you feel the need to attack the player base for a few really REALLY cheap kills (since your not even suiciding) when you could actually contribute to the community? I dunno how any of you get your kicks, but to be honest I enjoy a fight, not a slaughter.
Cho Ha'Tkai	Posted - 2008.02.27 14:53:00 - [105] Quote: From an out of game perspective, I find it worrying that CCP rides along with what is essentially a reference to a fanatical pseydo-religious practice. Now I am no muslim scolar, so I may be wrong, but Jihad used to be about inner struggle, and enlightenment. It has since been redefined to mean something like blow yourself up in the name the lord... CCP publishing a newsitem about Goonswarm doing what they do is all well and good, but can we leave the real world references to religious terror out? Ummm, you are wrong, do a touch more research next time on the topic... 1) CCP published the facts, GS named it all by themselves 2) Wiki quote "According to scholar John Esposito, Jihad requires Muslims to "struggle in the way of God" or "to struggle to improve one's self and/or society."[3][4] Jihad is directed against the devil's inducements, aspects of one's own self, or against a visible enemy.[1][5] The four major categories of jihad that are recognized are Jihad against one's own self (Jihad al-Nafs), Jihad of the tongue, Jihad of the hand, and Jihad of the sword.[5] Within Islamic jurisprudence, the term jihad is usually used in reference to military combat" This would definately fall under Jihad of the sword, possibly of the hand as well. 3) STOP BEING SO SENSITIVE!!! (j/k) And same question as a previous poster (page 1) I would have to question the cost of this little action GS is taking I would have to think they are about even on ISK totals of losses delt vs. losses taken. My final comments, I do think its more than a little arrogant of GS to assume they can force older pilots into 0.0 with these tactics. And perhaps a little foolish as well, if anything they're only stirring the empire based pilots up who will eventually rally up to stop them. I'd like to see the surprise look when they drop in on a bait Hulk, and find themselves tackled and podded by some unhappy former victims. With turrets, Concord, and Empire resources behind the Empire pilots, GS could find that losses total rapidly climbing to a painful level...
Schani Kratnorr Internal Revenue Service	Posted - 2008.02.27 16:06:00 - [106] Originally by: Cho Ha'Tkai 1) CCP published the facts, GS named it all by themselves It's still CCP making the newsitem, and therefore approving of the whole jihad-termonology. I wonder what would happen if I decided to call one of my EVE projects names like "the big-nosed plot to rule EVE" with a corp name referencing 2nd WW era political ideals. My point is that I dont think it suits CCP to lack imagination to simply tell GS. "look guys, we cant have references to real world sensitive topics, so how about you call it something other than Jihad?".
Phelan Driscoll GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.27 16:18:00 - [107] Edited by: Phelan Driscoll on 27/02/2008 16:19:10 Originally by: Schani Kratnorr Now I am no muslim scolar, so I may be wrong, but Jihad used to be about inner struggle, and enlightenment. It has since been redefined to mean something like blow yourself up in the name the lord... From a classical historical perspective, yes, you are very wrong. Typically if you have to type something like "now I am no X, so I may be wrong, but.." means that you are, in fact, going to be wrong and you should stop typing. snip Signature is totally inappropriate and not allowed on EvE Forums. Contact us at [email protected] if you have any queries - Valorem
Cho Ha'Tkai	Posted - 2008.02.27 16:52:00 - [108] Originally by: Schani Kratnorr Originally by: Cho Ha'Tkai 1) CCP published the facts, GS named it all by themselves It's still CCP making the newsitem, and therefore approving of the whole jihad-termonology. I wonder what would happen if I decided to call one of my EVE projects names like "the big-nosed plot to rule EVE" with a corp name referencing 2nd WW era political ideals. My point is that I dont think it suits CCP to lack imagination to simply tell GS. "look guys, we cant have references to real world sensitive topics, so how about you call it something other than Jihad?". ji+had ûnoun 1. a holy war undertaken as a sacred duty by Muslims. 2. any vigorous, emotional crusade for an idea or principle. Again I strongly disagree, what about Muslim players who believe in the non violent aspects of a Jihad? What about the 50,000 players with semi-offensive names, or those with non-RP styled names? And to take it a step further, lets start censoring all religious references, as one of the youngest religions on the planet, Christianity should be getting bashed on a regular basis, Judaism, Buddhism, Catholicism, etc. etc. (and for that matter talk to a theology expert, the term Jihad stretches FAR beyond the realms of Muslim, Middle Eastern, or even EurAsian cultures... see definition of the word above ) CCP is doing the right thing, they report it exactly how it is, reporting on news is not approving of it, it's an informational article (and valuable one for Empire players) that they have taken a GOOD approach to, report the facts, let the players decide the rest for themselves. If you personally find it offensive, go find a GS member and take it out on them, not CCP. Try to understand three basics on this; EVE is an international MMO, they really can't discriminate against anyone or they lose business. Censorship is a dangerous thing, and easily goes beyond "protective" They run the game, they are not (nor ever have been) "Big Brother" ps - Thank you CCP for keeping us informed in an unbiased and impartial method! pps- Hey Goonies! You still haven't gotten either of my Hulks or my CNR nyahh nyahh
Aprudena Gist Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.27 17:13:00 - [109] Originally by: Cho Ha'Tkai Originally by: Schani Kratnorr Originally by: Cho Ha'Tkai 1) CCP published the facts, GS named it all by themselves It's still CCP making the newsitem, and therefore approving of the whole jihad-termonology. I wonder what would happen if I decided to call one of my EVE projects names like "the big-nosed plot to rule EVE" with a corp name referencing 2nd WW era political ideals. My point is that I dont think it suits CCP to lack imagination to simply tell GS. "look guys, we cant have references to real world sensitive topics, so how about you call it something other than Jihad?". ji+had ûnoun 1. a holy war undertaken as a sacred duty by Muslims. 2. any vigorous, emotional crusade for an idea or principle. Again I strongly disagree, what about Muslim players who believe in the non violent aspects of a Jihad? What about the 50,000 players with semi-offensive names, or those with non-RP styled names? And to take it a step further, lets start censoring all religious references, as one of the youngest religions on the planet, Christianity should be getting bashed on a regular basis, Judaism, Buddhism, Catholicism, etc. etc. (and for that matter talk to a theology expert, the term Jihad stretches FAR beyond the realms of Muslim, Middle Eastern, or even EurAsian cultures... see definition of the word above ) CCP is doing the right thing, they report it exactly how it is, reporting on news is not approving of it, it's an informational article (and valuable one for Empire players) that they have taken a GOOD approach to, report the facts, let the players decide the rest for themselves. If you personally find it offensive, go find a GS member and take it out on them, not CCP. Try to understand three basics on this; EVE is an international MMO, they really can't discriminate against anyone or they lose business. Censorship is a dangerous thing, and easily goes beyond "protective" They run the game, they are not (nor ever have been) "Big Brother" ps - Thank you CCP for keeping us informed in an unbiased and impartial method! pps- Hey Goonies! You still haven't gotten either of my Hulks or my CNR nyahh nyahh you know the second after you made this pps statement people are running locator agents and getting the gank train going right?
Balou Scaut	Posted - 2008.02.27 17:52:00 - [110] Edited by: Balou Scaut on 27/02/2008 17:53:14 Originally by: Katarlia Simov Why do you feel the need to attack the player base for a few really REALLY cheap kills (since your not even suiciding) when you could actually contribute to the community? They are suiciding, I have the salvage from their ships to prove it.

Ishamel 1 Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.02.27 18:21:00 - [111] Originally by: Schani Kratnorr Originally by: Cho Ha'Tkai 1) CCP published the facts, GS named it all by themselves It's still CCP making the newsitem, and therefore approving of the whole jihad-termonology. I wonder what would happen if I decided to call one of my EVE projects names like "the big-nosed plot to rule EVE" with a corp name referencing 2nd WW era political ideals. My point is that I dont think it suits CCP to lack imagination to simply tell GS. "look guys, we cant have references to real world sensitive topics, so how about you call it something other than Jihad?". Right, lest just ban words like "crusade", "terrorist", "bomb" as well. Maybe even "war" too huh? And "Eve"online? surely thats not pc. "new eden" huh, we better change that too. "Insurgency" must be cutting it a bit fine as well. Tell you what, lets call its "daisy picking online" instead. I might also point in you in the direction of the sci-fi novels of Frank Herbert, one of the most popular and award winning sci fi authors ever. Amazingly enough a pivotal moment in the back story of this far future post apocalyptic struggle of man-kind isolated from its former home (sound familiar?) was called the "butlerian jihad". Now there is a whole lot of books we gotta burn too. You got any matches?
Kiarah Gallente Janus Pilot Corps	Posted - 2008.02.27 19:05:00 - [112] Originally by: Avon To be fair, he could be on to something. Did I mention that BoB has bouncy castles? Too bad BoB recruitment is closed then.
Ingor Torbu	Posted - 2008.02.27 19:13:00 - [113] I think it's more about the isk: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=713603
Dray Caldari Spartan Industries Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.02.27 20:26:00 - [114] Its all about the isk baby....
K'reemy G'udness The Greater Goon GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.27 21:21:00 - [115] Originally by: Dray Its all about the isk baby.... For Jihadswarm it's actually about busload of virgins. --- K'reemy G'udness Sci-Fi pRon star
Schani Kratnorr Internal Revenue Service	Posted - 2008.02.27 21:27:00 - [116] Originally by: Ishamel 1 Originally by: Schani Kratnorr snip my opinions on CCP giving GS free publicity and allowing real-world terminology into their world. Right, lest just ban words like "crusade", "terrorist", "bomb" as well. Maybe even "war" too huh? And "Eve"online? surely thats not pc. "new eden" huh, we better change that too. "Insurgency" must be cutting it a bit fine as well. Tell you what, lets call its "daisy picking online" instead. I might also point in you in the direction of the sci-fi novels of Frank Herbert, one of the most popular and award winning sci fi authors ever. Amazingly enough a pivotal moment in the back story of this far future post apocalyptic struggle of man-kind isolated from its former home (sound familiar?) was called the "butlerian jihad". Now there is a whole lot of books we gotta burn too. You got any matches? You seem very worked up, wanting to defend against an imaginary threat... I guess there is a line. I am not suggesting we burn books, or ban certain words. If you got that from what I wrote, the you are reading too much into it. I am pointing out that putting "jihad" and "suicide"-ganking together in a newsitem is beneath CCP, or at least used to be. Now all I need to do is press F1-8 and have a "catch-phrase" to play. I will form an Incredible Mob Of Fat People, and go around crashing nodes on purpose and whine about it on CAOD for months and months... WoW is THAT way ->
Schani Kratnorr Internal Revenue Service	Posted - 2008.02.27 21:47:00 - [117] Originally by: Phelan Driscoll Edited by: Phelan Driscoll on 27/02/2008 16:19:10 Originally by: Schani Kratnorr Now I am no muslim scolar, so I may be wrong, but Jihad used to be about inner struggle, and enlightenment. It has since been redefined to mean something like blow yourself up in the name the lord... From a classical historical perspective, yes, you are very wrong. Typically if you have to type something like "now I am no X, so I may be wrong, but.." means that you are, in fact, going to be wrong and you should stop typing. So... by your logic, people should only open their mouth, or put pen to paper if they think themselves infallible? I dont normally respond to GS posts, because they dont contain anything of substance, but in this case I am making an exeption. Granted, I should have bothered to look it up on The Internet to verify beyond doubt the truth in what I write. To be frank, I still find difference in the way the word "Jihad" has been used historicly, which only reaffirms my point - that the recent "bomb-the-infidels"-variant, is something very much connected to real world issues, that a game development and publishing company should steer clear of.
Cho Ha'Tkai	Posted - 2008.02.27 21:59:00 - [118] snip Posting with an unidentified character and characters in NPC corporations in this forum is prohibited. If you wish to participate in the discussions here, be sure to have your corporation and or alliance status ticked in your forum settings. ~Saint
DigitalCommunist Obsidian Core	Posted - 2008.02.27 22:10:00 - [119] I would believe individuals. But I don't believe for one second, that two big alliances are completely indifferent to the drama and attention they'd get from empire ganks. Doing it at the same time, roleplaying it, advertising it on a website... "You're stupid its for fun!", "NO WAY ITS ALL ABOUT THE ISK!". Yeah, even if you like the smell of your own farts, that's still crap you're smelling. If someone is actually stupid enough to get angry over my theory, it's because I didn't imply their e-confidence and e-morale was shattered. That would've been so much easier to troll than "you care what others think", and "you're trying hard to impress". It's not really a secret, but alliance people always try to hide it. Every established group has twirled for the public at some point, and at least recruitment is one of the better reasons. What is so bad about admitting you'd like to wear makeup, put on a dress, dance for others, and be loved? Seriously. _______________________________ http://epicwords.net/
Cassiuss Minmatar Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.27 22:15:00 - [120] Edited by: Cassiuss on 27/02/2008 22:15:44 No idea why so many Goons getting emo. I thought it was pretty good. edit: My farts do smell pretty good too.



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