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DigitalCommunist
Obsidian Core
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Posted - 2008.02.26 01:52:00 -
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I have a theory, try not to look surprised. Maybe you notice these things, maybe not. Here it is..
Presently, you've got groups like TRI and GS ganking people in empire. No, do not complain.
GS is hitting Exhumer pilots with can flagging, and TRI is suiciding into pimped out Caldari Navy Ravens. On its own, there is not much to talk about. This stuff happens every day.
Two large alliances doing it at the same time is suspicious. When you factor in recent events, you get a possible reasoning for it.
Recruitment.
If you're an experienced PVPer considering a change, looking for groups that do PVP isn't exactly narrowing things down. Rational people will go where they think they'll have the greatest fun. Most of the time, this means going to the alliance that enjoys ****ing others off.
BoB, MC, Ev0ke, KIA and Outbreak became popular choices because they fought with everyone, everywhere. TRI is a popular choice for going against the plans of others, and burning many allied bridges. GoonSwarm has its own language for describing how incredibly easy going they are. RA is up there because they only show up when there's big stuff to kill, and the whole russians = vodka = drunk = comedy stereotype.
The part that explains the empire ganking, is the situation with Tortugans and BoB.
With the Tortugans, many of the alternative choices to BoB disappeared when they got involved in exactly the same kind of warfare. As a result of alienating their core principles and sacrificing some independence, each group suffered internal casualties. In the end it was not as fun as they had imagined. Now they've split ways again, reverting to their previous course of flying around killing stuff wherever they want. How much credibility they get for advertising their 'no politics, no bs' stance is going to stay questionable for a while.
As for the second reason.. When it comes to recruitment today, joining BoB ensures all your PVP desires come true. However, them being backed into a corner makes you consider the increased risks of internal drama and other nasty tension. Even if it never manifests, people looking to join feel like they're gambling somehow.
But when it became apparent the BoB NOL defense was very enthusiastic and GoonSwarm activity is on a downspin, it prompted a reaction by GS. TRI members must of felt it was some kind of preemptive move to poach players leaving the other groups, by asserting themselves as "the most fun alliance ever" through empire ganks.
Whether or not this war ends soon, people feel like it might/should. Alliances are noticing this, and being very opportunistic about it. An important part of the war now is seeing who can poach members the best. It could have just as much impact on bringing it to an end as all the ships killed ever did.
And like I said, it's just a theory. This is how I've interpreted current events, and there is no real evidence to prove it one way or the other. I'm just very amused that for once, the casualties are actually innocent.
Damn carebears. 
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Junkie Beverage
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.26 01:54:00 -
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Edited by: Junkie Beverage on 26/02/2008 01:53:50
 Originally by: DigitalCommunist
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Avon
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.02.26 01:55:00 -
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To be fair, he could be on to something.
Did I mention that BoB has bouncy castles?
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DigitalCommunist
Obsidian Core
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Posted - 2008.02.26 01:55:00 -
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Originally by: Junkie Beverage
memes
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Junkie Beverage
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.26 01:56:00 -
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oh my god i am sandwiched in between 2 complete pillocks
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DigitalCommunist
Obsidian Core
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Posted - 2008.02.26 01:57:00 -
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Originally by: Junkie Beverage
oh my god i am a sandwich
Fixed. I'm going to fill the trolling quota myself booya
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Dafuzz
Gallente
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.02.26 01:58:00 -
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Interesting perspective.
While talking to an old friend who empire PVP's, I considered joining with an alt for a while, just to randomize things a bit.
Yes, the POS warfare gets stale, the constant moving 150 jumps to get a fight gets stale, and many other things of major 0.0 alliance warfare gets stale.
Now that fights are on my doorstep, life is no longer stale.
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Junkie Beverage
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.26 01:58:00 -
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quit it
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DigitalCommunist
Obsidian Core
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Posted - 2008.02.26 01:59:00 -
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you quit it
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Avon
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.02.26 01:59:00 -
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Originally by: Junkie Beverage
oh my god i am sandwiched in between 2 complete pillocks
I haven't actually graduated from pillock college yet, but I'm glad you think I have what it takes.
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Death Mate
Death Mates
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Posted - 2008.02.26 02:00:00 -
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Absolutely terrible hypothesis.
One based in completely unfounded logic and truncated thought processes.
No rational thinker could ever arrive at anything close to this conclusion.
May God have mercy on your soul.
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Junkie Beverage
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.26 02:00:00 -
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your not the boss of me
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DigitalCommunist
Obsidian Core
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Posted - 2008.02.26 02:01:00 -
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You don't know my alts, maybe I am.
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Avon
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.02.26 02:02:00 -
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Originally by: Death Mate
Absolutely terrible hypothesis.
One based in completely unfounded logic and truncated thought processes.
No rational thinker could ever arrive at anything close to this conclusion.
May God have mercy on your soul.
I like how your rational thought process resulted in you praying to an ethereal superbeing.
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Dafuzz
Gallente
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.02.26 02:02:00 -
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Originally by: Junkie Beverage
your not the boss of me
Why donut you have a go at my post, or the original post, with clear and coherent sentences instead of meme's and one-liners.
And yes, Digi is the boss of you, as am I.
You know not who you are dealing with, for a reason.
Calm down
Furthermore,
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Celedris
Stimulus
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.02.26 02:03:00 -
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Originally by: DigitalCommunist
You don't know my alts, maybe I am.
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Junkie Beverage
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.26 02:04:00 -
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Originally by: Dafuzz
Originally by: Junkie Beverage
your not the boss of me
Why donut you have a go at my post, or the original post, with clear and coherent sentences instead of meme's and one-liners.
And yes, Digi is the boss of you, as am I.
You know not who you are dealing with, for a reason.
Calm down
Furthermore,
whats this even mean yo
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Alexi Kalashnikov
Rat Lovers Anonymous
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.26 02:05:00 -
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People change things up because people want to log into have fun, if they're not having fun: they go and do something that lets them have fun. People go and ride bikes all the time, this period in time is no different. To take a process, which has been repeating itself time and time again, and say that this new revolution is sparking some kind of new offspin or the like is silly.
Furthermore,
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Junkie Beverage
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.26 02:06:00 -
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Originally by: Alexi Kalashnikov
People change things up because people want to log into have fun, if they're not having fun: they go and do something that lets them have fun. People go and ride bikes all the time, this period in time is no different. To take a process, which has been repeating itself time and time again, and say that this new revolution is sparking some kind of new offspin or the like is silly.
Furthermore,
stop posting
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DigitalCommunist
Obsidian Core
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Posted - 2008.02.26 02:09:00 -
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Oh, I know it's not new. The theory is to explain the recent empire ganks, and nothing more.
Only difference now is you're trying extra hard to be chill.
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Nero Winger
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.02.26 02:14:00 -
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Edited by: Nero Winger on 26/02/2008 02:14:31
DC hitting CAOd and makes goons run
/me applaudes
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Kyguard
Fire Mandrill
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Posted - 2008.02.26 02:15:00 -
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And where does this put EZA and the local chess team?
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DigitalCommunist
Obsidian Core
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Posted - 2008.02.26 02:20:00 -
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I don't need cheerleaders or sidekicks when it comes to CAOD. Just say you agree, or go die in a fire. It's really that simple.
Originally by: Kyguard
And where does this put EZA and the local chess team?
Nowhere, because Syndicate is irrelevant as hell even when I'm there :|
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Nookovski
Gallente
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.26 02:20:00 -
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TRI needs to post their CNR popping setups and tactics in this thread stat.
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Junkie Beverage
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.26 02:21:00 -
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Originally by: Nero Winger
Edited by: Nero Winger on 26/02/2008 02:14:31
DC hitting CAOd and makes goons run
/me applaudes
~o~
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DigitalCommunist
Obsidian Core
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Posted - 2008.02.26 02:22:00 -
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I don't get your ASCII but it hurts, please stop 
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.02.26 02:32:00 -
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Some would have it these acts just re-inforce their position on those two alliances and will repulse them even further.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Desiderata Fabian
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.26 02:36:00 -
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Is this the right thread for me to ask if I can join BoB?
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Junkie Beverage
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.26 02:48:00 -
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Originally by: DigitalCommunist
I don't get your ASCII but it hurts, please stop
no can do see the thing that you dont understand about yt (yours truly) is that posting is in my blood and my family motto is just keep posting dont stop posting dont ever stop posting
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Lea Redux
moon7empler
Ev0ke
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Posted - 2008.02.26 03:15:00 -
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I think empire ganks as a recruitment tool are not effective to get in 0.0 pvpers. I know i enjoy 10vs10 - 30vs30 fights the most, where the guy at the other computer im shooting at is the challenge, not how to get around gameplay restrictions to make carebears cry, or battle the lag more than the red ships. Dont get me wrong, griefing can be fun, but the people who would join an alliance based on that would most probably go for privateers or some similar empire wardec corp.
Im pretty sure that its in both cases just seasoned pvpers who are looking for something to get a laugh out of, not some permanent trend of vets going to empire spreading mayhem for all eternity.
As for the political stuff you spiced your post with, sounds far-fetched and quite irrelevant to your "theory". Tri has always enjoyed spreading grief, and i believe goonswarm is famous for it. Throwing those other alliances you mentioned into the mix isnt necessary nor sensible imo.
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Aprudena Gist
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.26 03:18:00 -
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Originally by: Lea Redux
I think empire ganks as a recruitment tool are not effective to get in 0.0 pvpers. I know i enjoy 10vs10 - 30vs30 fights the most, where the guy at the other computer im shooting at is the challenge, not how to get around gameplay restrictions to make carebears cry, or battle the lag more than the red ships. Dont get me wrong, griefing can be fun, but the people who would join an alliance based on that would most probably go for privateers or some similar empire wardec corp.
Im pretty sure that its in both cases just seasoned pvpers who are looking for something to get a laugh out of, not some permanent trend of vets going to empire spreading mayhem for all eternity.
As for the political stuff you spiced your post with, sounds far-fetched and quite irrelevant to your "theory". Tri has always enjoyed spreading grief, and i believe goonswarm is famous for it. Throwing those other alliances you mentioned into the mix isnt necessary nor sensible imo.
i dunno i plan on doing that as long as i can keep sec status its fun as hell.
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Cueball Mcfuzz
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Posted - 2008.02.26 03:25:00 -
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Originally by: Aprudena Gist
its fun as hell.
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Seldarine
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.02.26 03:29:00 -
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well..
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Dramaticus
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.26 03:33:00 -
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WE'RE WINNING THE HEARTS AND MINDS
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Local Her0
Minmatar
La Mancha Corp
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Posted - 2008.02.26 03:50:00 -
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Originally by: Dramaticus
WE'RE WINNING THE HEARTS AND MINDS
NO YOU
much love goes out to Dramaticus, one of my fav posters
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dastommy79
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.26 04:17:00 -
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Not gonna lie, i aint readin that
just here for pretty pictures..
I driks lots
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ChalSto
Divine Retribution
Divine 0rder
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Posted - 2008.02.26 04:23:00 -
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Well, actually I agree with DC 
...maybe becouse its 6am here an the coffee machine is out of order.....
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INZi
coracao ardente
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.02.26 05:21:00 -
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Originally by: DigitalCommunist
Oh, I know it's not new. The theory is to explain the recent empire ganks, and nothing more.
the privateers nerf gave you a safe empire. atleast for awhile.
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Phelan Driscoll
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.26 06:20:00 -
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Hi guys i haven't posted on eveo in a while because I've been busy but I thought I'd stop by and say hi.
Also, the OP is tl;dr
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Brmble
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.26 08:54:00 -
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Edited by: Brmble on 26/02/2008 08:53:49
I got linked to this thread. I don't know what to say though.
Eh I'll post anyway.
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XxAngelxX
Amarr
The Illuminati.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.02.26 08:56:00 -
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I think you're reading too much into it.
It's just a quick and easy way to make isk for a corp without having to mine/npc/trade. I wouldn't say sitting for hours on end waiting for a good target is comparable to PVP in fun-factor =P
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Dose One
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.26 09:06:00 -
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Here I am, everyone! Xu Huang has arrived!
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KIATolon
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.26 09:06:00 -
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I'd like to congrate DC for having an idea, and fitting it all into one post.
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Baxalusx
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.26 09:30:00 -
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Damn it, our master plan has been foiled by Digital Communist's analytical brilliance once again!!
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Tassi
Infinitus Odium
The Church.
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Posted - 2008.02.26 10:40:00 -
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Stimulus in Star Fraction ... what the holy bendover?????
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KIATolon
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.26 10:54:00 -
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Originally by: Baxalusx
Damn it, our master plan has been foiled by Digital Communist's analytical brilliance once again!!
what plan, please tl;dr it for me?
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Nina Velori
INIQUIT REPRISAL
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Posted - 2008.02.26 11:00:00 -
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The plan is to snort half a g of Charles, drink half a bottle of Jack and suicide a Mothership into a hostile fleet.
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viper adt
Destructive Influence
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.02.26 11:11:00 -
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"Wine, a women and a tied up old guy (Goons). Not certain where you are going with that one but I like where your head is at!" - it is good to be in Bob.
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Dai Nau
Mothership Connection Inc.
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.26 11:13:00 -
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DC I will give you $20 US never to post again
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Shadowsword
COLSUP
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.02.26 11:44:00 -
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I doubt it's anything that complex.
Pimped CNR suicide ganking have always been profitable (even more recently, however, with the ever-increasing price of gist mods), but for some reason, it wasn't really common knowledge. But as more people do it, that knowledge is spreading, inducing more people to do it.
As for hulks in high-sec, maybe some in GS felt the need of a change, to have a break time from the lagfest in Delve?
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Nicky Rostu
Gallente
Fading Star Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2008.02.26 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: Tassi
Stimulus in Star Fraction ... what the holy bendover?????
For the tournament, I believe.
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128th ABC123
Eve Liberation Force
Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.26 11:53:00 -
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I think all the people with their pathetic one-liners should shut the hell up and actually participate in giving these forums some content worth reading. Honestly, it's getting worse every day.
DG posted something which was worth reading regardless if you found it untrue, ridiculous or if you completely agree with him.
EVE is a great game, greater content wise than any game I have played (and I was kicking ass on my tapedeck Commodore 64 in the day  and basicly played every popular title or cult game out there) But it is the only game with a forum that is lately becoming completely worthless. Just scroll up and down this thread and just honestly ask yourself what the point is all the posts in it. Out of all the responses maybe 5 where actually on topic and not some sad, sarcastic, quasi-whitty statement.
Ps. This is not just intended to the goons, but to also every alt poster and Eve player that tries to derail threads. If you don't have anything to say regarding the content of a thread just rephrain from posting in it.
To get down to DG's post, we've been seeing more and more Coalition gangs down in Catch and Providence the last few weeks, the assault on NOL as mentioned by BOB in a recent thread has been halted (albeit temporarily)and alot of them are fanning out and having fun elsewhere, including empire.
I think Tri and Goon moves in empire should not be seen as anything more as having fun, maybe they might put their time there to good use, but I don't think this is some evil masterplan coming to fruition.
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Tassi
Infinitus Odium
The Church.
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Posted - 2008.02.26 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: Nicky Rostu
For the tournament, I believe.
Still ... shows how people bendover just for a little tourney 
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Fred0
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.26 12:18:00 -
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You are overanalyzing a pretty simple thing DC. TRI do what they have done a long time. Goons are blowing some steam and rotating people because of a long and sometimes frustrating war.
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Fitz Chivalry
eXceed Inc.
eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.02.26 12:43:00 -
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Why would you even want to recruit people whose idea of end-game pvping is ganking some random noob running missions in a raven?
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Omeega
UA Industry
Red Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.26 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: DigitalCommunist
RA is up there because they only show up when there's big stuff to kill, and the whole russians = vodka = drunk = comedy stereotype.
I've never actualy seen RA do recruitement on eve-o.com
You're missing the whole eve-o.ru community I guess...
Or I totaly missunderstood your post :/
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
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General Windypops
Skullduggery Inc
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Posted - 2008.02.26 12:52:00 -
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It's not about hearts and minds, it's about shock and ore.
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sakana
North Eastern Swat
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.02.26 12:54:00 -
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Dunno, I thought it was more just a way of making billions and billions of isk per day with no hassle involved.
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General Windypops
Skullduggery Inc
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Posted - 2008.02.26 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: sakana
Dunno, I thought it was more just a way of making billions and billions of isk per day with no hassle involved.
In Tri's case, probably. In Goons case? Just lame ganking. It speaks volumes that one alliance is taking on some of the most expensive combat ships in the game, and that the other is going for miners....
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olzi
Caldari
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.26 13:35:00 -
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I don't see what goons empire suiciding has to do with recruitment, most GS corps aren't open to recruitment from outside anyway. You do get alot of excess security status from ratting in 0.0, so what better way to use it than suicide some hisec miners.
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General Windypops
Skullduggery Inc
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Posted - 2008.02.26 13:42:00 -
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Originally by: olzi
I don't see what goons empire suiciding has to do with recruitment, most GS corps aren't open to recruitment from outside anyway. You do get alot of excess security status from ratting in 0.0, so what better way to use it than suicide some hisec miners.
Do Goons still demand R/L money in the form of SA subs?
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Nekumi
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.26 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: General Windypops
Originally by: olzi
I don't see what goons empire suiciding has to do with recruitment, most GS corps aren't open to recruitment from outside anyway. You do get alot of excess security status from ratting in 0.0, so what better way to use it than suicide some hisec miners.
Do Goons still demand R/L money in the form of SA subs?
Yup.
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KIATolon
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.26 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: General Windypops
Originally by: olzi
I don't see what goons empire suiciding has to do with recruitment, most GS corps aren't open to recruitment from outside anyway. You do get alot of excess security status from ratting in 0.0, so what better way to use it than suicide some hisec miners.
Do Goons still demand R/L money in the form of SA subs?
We all pay $20 a month, which goes to server fees and stuff, and well... I dont know where the rest goes
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Nekumi
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.26 14:03:00 -
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Edited by: Nekumi on 26/02/2008 14:03:27
Originally by: KIATolon
We all pay $20 a month, which goes to server fees and stuff, and well... I dont know where the rest goes
I've heard various rumours of hookers, alcohol and drugs but my money is on the enforcers Solo uses to collect debts incurred.
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Aprudena Gist
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.26 14:44:00 -
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Edited by: Aprudena Gist on 26/02/2008 14:44:33
Originally by: Nekumi
Edited by: Nekumi on 26/02/2008 14:03:27
Originally by: KIATolon
We all pay $20 a month, which goes to server fees and stuff, and well... I dont know where the rest goes
I've heard various rumours of hookers, alcohol and drugs but my money is on the enforcers Solo uses to collect debts incurred.
i always though it was for the ham fund.
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Orree
Gallente
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.02.26 15:52:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
To be fair, he could be on to something.
Did I mention that BoB has bouncy castles?
Pink ones? I'm looking into getting a pink one for my daughter's 6th birthday party. Need a pink one.
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Wendat Huron
Stellar Solutions
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Posted - 2008.02.26 15:56:00 -
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I forsee these large scale suicide gankings of everything faction or officer to be the end of suiciding as we know it. I mean what is the meaning in striving for the pimped out ship if you know a group of lowlifes will just gank it at first light anyways?
CCP will have to nerf it now, it's Zombie smartbombing Yulai all over again.
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Schani Kratnorr
Internal Revenue Service
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Posted - 2008.02.26 16:19:00 -
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Originally by: Wendat Huron
CCP will have to nerf it now, it's Zombie smartbombing Yulai all over again.
FREE THE YULAI SEVEN!
*errhhhmm*
Recruiting through displaying your talents is one way. I guess blowing up ships where there is a larger audience could attract publicity, and through that, recruits.
I like the fact that you can do it (suicide gank), but awknowledge the fact that if overdone, it is subject to the nerfbat. I dunno, I guess it's not easy designing a game
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Ravelin Eb
Infinitus Odium
The Church.
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Posted - 2008.02.26 16:30:00 -
[69]
Hmmm this gives me an idea on how to attract wide eyed empire noobs to INFOD, if suicide ganking in highsec is enough impress them, then they will be blown away by our badger and bestower kills, truely the endgame of pvp.
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Gjs312
The Illuminati.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.02.26 16:51:00 -
[70]
Edited by: Gjs312 on 26/02/2008 16:51:44
Edited by: Gjs312 on 26/02/2008 16:51:19
Erm..
I hate to poke holes in your theory, but afaik most tri corps have closed recruitment atm. Ours certainly does and we were doing lots of the recent ganking. I guess kinda a good possible analysis even if you are reading a bit too much into it though.
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Ephemeron
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.26 16:55:00 -
[71]
I'm pretty sure that the only real reason TRI do it is because they want to make quick money. As an alliance they can get enough people to run a successful empire gank and as PvPers they like to kill.
Money - Gank - Fun
there's no depth. I'm tempted to do the same thing except I don't want to be evil.
It's like, clubbing baby seals
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Setana Manoro
Gallente
Firefly Inc.
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Posted - 2008.02.26 17:05:00 -
[72]
Edited by: Setana Manoro on 26/02/2008 17:07:26
Edited by: Setana Manoro on 26/02/2008 17:05:04
Originally by: XxAngelxX
I think you're reading too much into it.
It's just a quick and easy way to make isk for a corp without having to mine/npc/trade. I wouldn't say sitting for hours on end waiting for a good target is comparable to PVP in fun-factor =P
If this is indeed a way to make isk by suiciding stuff, then they are doing it wrong.
Not the ideea mind you, but the implementation. :)
You could make more if you did a bit of research first.
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Aprudena Gist
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.26 17:45:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Setana Manoro
Edited by: Setana Manoro on 26/02/2008 17:07:26
Edited by: Setana Manoro on 26/02/2008 17:05:04
Originally by: XxAngelxX
I think you're reading too much into it.
It's just a quick and easy way to make isk for a corp without having to mine/npc/trade. I wouldn't say sitting for hours on end waiting for a good target is comparable to PVP in fun-factor =P
If this is indeed a way to make isk by suiciding stuff, then they are doing it wrong.
Not the ideea mind you, but the implementation. :)
You could make more if you did a bit of research first.
no we are doing it right its not for money its to please Allah.
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DigitalCommunist
Obsidian Core
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Posted - 2008.02.26 17:55:00 -
[74]
All I did was try to explain some current events with TRI and GS. If you really want to generalize:
- all major alliances care about their image
- all major alliances will attention *****
Ganking in empire is just one way to keep your alliance on people's minds. I never implied empire ganking would attract hardcore pvpers on its own, this is like a tiebreaker more than anything when you're trying to chose between two pvp-heavy groups.
It isn't a master plan either, and there are other better examples. Most people are consciously aware of stuff that'll get their alliance some public attention.
CAOD is a better example, because you don't get kills or money for posting. There's also a good chance it'll aggravate you if you actually spend time reading, so it's not even a fun place to be sometimes.
For all the career ****posters in GoonSwarm..
- most of them wouldn't be doing it on their own, or come to CAOD at all
- some of them go straight to reply, and never visit the thread again
- a few are sharing threads and tag teaming
Unless these incredibly funny people are getting paid to waste their time every day, they're tryin' to represent. Cause most of their recruits are pubbies who join SA for GS. 
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Lowa
Gallente
North Star Networks
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.02.26 19:21:00 -
[75]
Originally by: DigitalCommunist
RA is up there because they only show up when there's big stuff to kill, and the whole russians = vodka = drunk = comedy stereotype.
Hey! If they are there, I demand that NSN is there too!
Well, perhaps NSN would only be up with the drunken comedy part but wtf, we'll take it!
Cheers,
Lowa
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Wylker
Caldari
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.02.26 19:50:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Nekumi
Originally by: General Windypops
Originally by: olzi
I don't see what goons empire suiciding has to do with recruitment, most GS corps aren't open to recruitment from outside anyway. You do get alot of excess security status from ratting in 0.0, so what better way to use it than suicide some hisec miners.
Do Goons still demand R/L money in the form of SA subs?
Yup.
Hi Nekumi!
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Omeega
UA Industry
Red Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.26 20:08:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Lowa
Originally by: DigitalCommunist
RA is up there because they only show up when there's big stuff to kill, and the whole russians = vodka = drunk = comedy stereotype.
Hey! If they are there, I demand that NSN is there too!
Well, perhaps NSN would only be up with the drunken comedy part but wtf, we'll take it!
Cheers,
Lowa
I can sort you out with the Russian nationality if you need it!
Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
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Orree
Gallente
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.02.26 20:24:00 -
[78]
Originally by: DigitalCommunist
<snip>
- all major alliances care about their image
<snip>
I imagine this is true. Some more than others.
Originally by: DigitalCommunist
<snip>
- all major alliances will attention *****
<snip>
Simply not true. "Most" is probably a more appropriate quantification.
"How much easier it is to be critical than to be correct." ---Benjamin Disraeli |
Baxalusx
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.26 20:42:00 -
[79]
Edited by: Baxalusx on 26/02/2008 20:41:56
Originally by: DigitalCommunist
...
- all major alliances care about their image
- all major alliances will attention *****
...
Unless these incredibly funny people are getting paid to waste their time every day, they're tryin' to represent. Cause most of their recruits are pubbies who join SA for GS.
Please substantiate these assertations. If this whole thread hinges on those three, you can file it under "Failed" with every other thread you've ever posted here.
Let's see if you can do better than your pal thoth foc at this!
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karttoon
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.26 21:05:00 -
[80]
http://Koran.JihadSwarm.com/JihadSwarm.avi
Looks like can flagging to me. Stupid infidel.
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Lowa
Gallente
North Star Networks
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.02.26 21:55:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Omeega
Originally by: Lowa
Originally by: DigitalCommunist
RA is up there because they only show up when there's big stuff to kill, and the whole russians = vodka = drunk = comedy stereotype.
Hey! If they are there, I demand that NSN is there too!
Well, perhaps NSN would only be up with the drunken comedy part but wtf, we'll take it!
Cheers,
Lowa
I can sort you out with the Russian nationality if you need it!
*grins* I will take that as I think you intended it, I hate using visas anyway...
But dude, show up on any of the bigger EU eve meets and we talk about it.
We'll do a joint comedy act, like...like... Hell, I dont know but it would be awesome!
Cheers,
Lowa
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The Hooch
Minmatar
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.26 22:19:00 -
[82]
Edited by: The Hooch on 26/02/2008 22:19:00
Originally by: Orree
Originally by: Avon
To be fair, he could be on to something.
Did I mention that BoB has bouncy castles?
Pink ones? I'm looking into getting a pink one for my daughter's 6th birthday party. Need a pink one.
please to be making quite criminal, and happy bday to your little girl, I am sure she takes after her mother, at least I hope she does...
Hooch, keeper of all that is good about the universe of Eve
Concord punishes people, it does not protect them |
Anikadir
The Older Gamers
R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.02.26 22:26:00 -
[83]
I think all major alliances should take a break from time to time and let the folks in Empire experience what life in 0.0 is like. 
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Dai Nau
Mothership Connection Inc.
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.26 23:08:00 -
[84]
Originally by: DigitalCommunist
All I did was try to explain some current events with TRI and GS. If you really want to generalize:
- all major alliances care about their image
- all major alliances will attention *****
Ganking in empire is just one way to keep your alliance on people's minds. I never implied empire ganking would attract hardcore pvpers on its own, this is like a tiebreaker more than anything when you're trying to chose between two pvp-heavy groups.
It isn't a master plan either, and there are other better examples. Most people are consciously aware of stuff that'll get their alliance some public attention.
CAOD is a better example, because you don't get kills or money for posting. There's also a good chance it'll aggravate you if you actually spend time reading, so it's not even a fun place to be sometimes.
For all the career ****posters in GoonSwarm..
- most of them wouldn't be doing it on their own, or come to CAOD at all
- some of them go straight to reply, and never visit the thread again
- a few are sharing threads and tag teaming
Unless these incredibly funny people are getting paid to waste their time every day, they're tryin' to represent. Cause most of their recruits are pubbies who join SA for GS.
you're a stupid mother******
it's a game
killing empire hulks is fun
thread over
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Phelan Driscoll
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.26 23:39:00 -
[85]
Originally by: DigitalCommunist
- all major alliances care about their image
Oh yeah? Well I think *****is funny. TAKE THAT IMAGE.
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Cmd Woodlouse
moon7empler
Ev0ke
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Posted - 2008.02.27 00:39:00 -
[86]
You are not a pvpler you are just a poor metagamer
And im glad you are out of BoB - you were a shame for them
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Siddy
Minmatar
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.02.27 07:28:00 -
[87]
Edited by: Siddy on 27/02/2008 07:32:57
So if i see this message...
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Illegal module activation!
you cannot activate this higslot module in empire due to all the flowers sticking out of your gun barrel.
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When i try to activate my guns in empire, i know who to blame :D
You know how the CCP can be, when they feel that they income is under a threat.
Even if the case is not so...
Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse
You are not a pvpler you are just a poor metagamer
And im glad you are out of BoB - you were a shame for them
Nice flamebait, you dont realy mean it and want digi all to yourself...
Tho', its true that Digi is higer in food chain that you are.
Thats all :/
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RevJesu Marek
Aeon Interstellar Conglomerate
Aeon Group Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.02.27 07:36:00 -
[88]
Yes, DG, I will complain. Both Triumvirate and GoonSwarm are rephrehensible barbarians who prey on the weak when they cannot manage to sate their bloodlust on properly matched opponents. But, this is par for the course.. the 'Aligned' groups like Goonswarm and their pets, and the other side called BoB do this all the time.
There is an alternative... there are NRDS groups to join, that aren't on either side.
Don't be blue or red.. be Grey. Sure, its harder. But worthy things in life usually are.
With God, All Things are Possible
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Altho Regilian
Caldari
Port Royal Independent Kontractors
Atrum Tempestas Foedus
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Posted - 2008.02.27 07:46:00 -
[89]
Honestly, I'm just glad the isk farmers are getting their due. Personally I'm tired of seeing 4 month old characters with names like "SLKJDA" running missions in full faction fit CNR's 23/7.
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LeeLee Zar
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Posted - 2008.02.27 07:55:00 -
[90]
How do they destroy Hulks in High sec? Do they suicide gank or are they can flipping?
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ISD Tsuki Kiyuu
ISD Interstellar Correspondents
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Posted - 2008.02.27 08:09:00 -
[91]
Article on this and broader issues for anyone interested.
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Herring
Alcatraz Inc.
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2008.02.27 08:35:00 -
[92]
Originally by: LeeLee Zar
How do they destroy Hulks in High sec? Do they suicide gank or are they can flipping?
Can flipping. And honestly, people that attack can flippers in a hulk deserve every bit of the pain and mayhem that follows.
I'm sick of reinstalling, it's not what my days off are for |
Dai Nau
Mothership Connection Inc.
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.27 08:37:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Herring
Originally by: LeeLee Zar
How do they destroy Hulks in High sec? Do they suicide gank or are they can flipping?
Can flipping. And honestly, people that attack can flippers in a hulk deserve every bit of the pain and mayhem that follows.
don't respond to questions you don't know the answer to
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OldPueblo
DarkStar 1
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.27 08:56:00 -
[94]
Originally by: ISD Tsuki Kiyuu
Article on this and broader issues for anyone interested.
Wow you really should proofread that.
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Brmble
Minmatar
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.27 09:03:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Herring
Originally by: LeeLee Zar
How do they destroy Hulks in High sec? Do they suicide gank or are they can flipping?
Can flipping. And honestly, people that attack can flippers in a hulk deserve every bit of the pain and mayhem that follows.
lol
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Papa Ina
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.27 09:06:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Herring
Originally by: LeeLee Zar
How do they destroy Hulks in High sec? Do they suicide gank or are they can flipping?
Can flipping. And honestly, people that attack can flippers in a hulk deserve every bit of the pain and mayhem that follows.
I guess it is possible that you could fail harder at this. I don't know how though. You should probably not take whatever you hear at face value.
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ISD Tsuki Kiyuu
ISD Interstellar Correspondents
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Posted - 2008.02.27 09:19:00 -
[97]
Is there something I've overlooked, Old Pueblo? 
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Asuka Mei
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Posted - 2008.02.27 09:32:00 -
[98]
Edited by: Asuka Mei on 27/02/2008 09:33:10
Its understandable that you would not want us to know your tactics, fair enough.
You dont want us mining in high sec and its impossible for us to mine in 0.0. Low sec there is just no reward vs the risk. So if I may ask... where would you like us to mine?
Im pretty new to the game and I only recently finished training for my hulk. In 0.0 we cant kill the rats so we cant mine there. You might say "Get some one to protect you while you mine", but that means I can only mine when my friend is online and im sure he doesnt want to sit and watch me mine for hours.
Im also not sure on how to go about mining in 0.0. Ive got no pvp experience and Ive only been to 0.0 once... and it didn't end well for me.
A lot of ppl want us to move to 0.0 but then also tell us not to go if we cant afford to lose our ship. What they fail to realize is that we are miners... we will never be able to afford to lose our ships :/
How ever, I do like the feeling the goons have given me as a miner. Just makes the game a bit more fun :)
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Toffles
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.27 09:36:00 -
[99]
Originally by: ISD Tsuki Kiyuu
Is there something I've overlooked, Old Pueblo?
I think the guy meant to say 34 billion not million.
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Boberty B
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Posted - 2008.02.27 10:42:00 -
[100]
Originally by: LeeLee Zar
How do they destroy Hulks in High sec? Do they suicide gank or are they can flipping?
They are suiciding, with a mix of caracals and sometimes they use a Dominix.
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Dana Foxworth
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.27 12:06:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Boberty B
Edited by: Boberty B on 27/02/2008 10:47:21
Edited by: Boberty B on 27/02/2008 10:46:27
Originally by: LeeLee Zar
How do they destroy Hulks in High sec? Do they suicide gank or are they can flipping?
They are suiciding, with a mix of caracals and sometimes they use a Dominix.
Shame they`re not posting on theyre KB the losses to concord, it would be interesting to see what sort of profit / loss they might be making (although its not clear whether they are doing it for profit and just for S**** and giggles tbh)
Seeing as the fittings on the vast majority are worthless, I'm going to guess they're doing it by the will of aforementioned deity.
SACK |
ishkabibble
Black Avatar
Lost Sheep Domain
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Posted - 2008.02.27 12:29:00 -
[102]
GS is actually pulling a quick one on all of us the way it looks.....
Grief the hell out of everyone till they either give up EvE or join GS
If they cant beat GS, join GS
Quite impressive i must say
Never argue with an Idiot. They'll bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience |
Schani Kratnorr
Internal Revenue Service
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Posted - 2008.02.27 13:41:00 -
[103]
Edited by: Schani Kratnorr on 27/02/2008 13:41:44
Originally by: ISD Tsuki Kiyuu
Article on this and broader issues for anyone interested.
From an out of game perspective, I find it worrying that CCP rides along with what is essentially a reference to a fanatical pseydo-religious practice.
Now I am no muslim scolar, so I may be wrong, but Jihad used to be about inner struggle, and enlightenment. It has since been redefined to mean something like blow yourself up in the name the lord...
CCP publishing a newsitem about Goonswarm doing what they do is all well and good, but can we leave the real world references to religious terror out?
And before anyone starts yelling at me to be less sensitive, and how it's all "their fault", please let me remind you that part of the attraction of EVE, is to escape the world we live in.
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Katarlia Simov
Minmatar
Cowboys From Hell
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Posted - 2008.02.27 14:52:00 -
[104]
I totally get the idea of ganking CNRs , especially those belonging to obvious isk seller alts. Suicidie ganking one can't be that easy, and im sure that you must get some nice loot drops from them. That makes sense. You take a fair losses in exchange for loot and a SWEET killmail, in excahnge for nailing someone who is probably an ISK seller and therefore beyond contempt.
But why the hell would you bother going for Hulks ? I mean seriously....
The best it'll drop is modulated strips, while not the cheapest things out there aren't rare or valuable in the grand scheme of things. Plus, your attacking people who genuinely can't fight back. Ok, people suckered by can swapping should know better, but thats not really enough reason to divorce them from their ship. I mean... whats so offencive about mining veld?
Im also kinda disappointed in the whole 'they should be out in 0.0' thing. Industrial pilots who may genuinely have almost no combat skills beyond cruiser 5 for ultimate osprey joy, and have spent a huge amount of time working on T2 production, resreach and refining skills can be entirely forgiven for not wanting to go out to 'the front lines' where there assets are risked. It would be like going on a killing spree in the local shopping centre of your choice and when the cops ask you why you tell them 'because they didn't want to die and just went about their buisness'...
Its irrational and frankly its the type of thing that this game doesn't need. As if the current crop of grief-war corps, as well as a nearly uninhabitable low-sec, we have to put up with one of the biggest alliances taking out some frustration on people who don't even have guns fitted.
Why not send out the same pilots to go after low sec carriers and motherships ? Or whipe out some sentry tankers ?
Why do you feel the need to attack the player base for a few really REALLY cheap kills (since your not even suiciding) when you could actually contribute to the community?
I dunno how any of you get your kicks, but to be honest I enjoy a fight, not a slaughter.
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Posted - 2008.02.27 14:53:00 -
[105]
Quote:
From an out of game perspective, I find it worrying that CCP rides along with what is essentially a reference to a fanatical pseydo-religious practice.
Now I am no muslim scolar, so I may be wrong, but Jihad used to be about inner struggle, and enlightenment. It has since been redefined to mean something like blow yourself up in the name the lord...
CCP publishing a newsitem about Goonswarm doing what they do is all well and good, but can we leave the real world references to religious terror out?
Ummm, you are wrong, do a touch more research next time on the topic...
1) CCP published the facts, GS named it all by themselves
2) Wiki quote "According to scholar John Esposito, Jihad requires Muslims to "struggle in the way of God" or "to struggle to improve one's self and/or society."[3][4] Jihad is directed against the devil's inducements, aspects of one's own self, or against a visible enemy.[1][5] The four major categories of jihad that are recognized are Jihad against one's own self (Jihad al-Nafs), Jihad of the tongue, Jihad of the hand, and Jihad of the sword.[5] Within Islamic jurisprudence, the term jihad is usually used in reference to military combat"
This would definately fall under Jihad of the sword, possibly of the hand as well.
3) STOP BEING SO SENSITIVE!!! (j/k)
And same question as a previous poster (page 1) I would have to question the cost of this little action GS is taking I would have to think they are about even on ISK totals of losses delt vs. losses taken.
My final comments, I do think its more than a little arrogant of GS to assume they can force older pilots into 0.0 with these tactics. And perhaps a little foolish as well, if anything they're only stirring the empire based pilots up who will eventually rally up to stop them. I'd like to see the surprise look when they drop in on a bait Hulk, and find themselves tackled and podded by some unhappy former victims. With turrets, Concord, and Empire resources behind the Empire pilots, GS could find that losses total rapidly climbing to a painful level...
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Schani Kratnorr
Internal Revenue Service
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Posted - 2008.02.27 16:06:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Cho Ha'Tkai
1) CCP published the facts, GS named it all by themselves
It's still CCP making the newsitem, and therefore approving of the whole jihad-termonology.
I wonder what would happen if I decided to call one of my EVE projects names like "the big-nosed plot to rule EVE" with a corp name referencing 2nd WW era political ideals.
My point is that I dont think it suits CCP to lack imagination to simply tell GS. "look guys, we cant have references to real world sensitive topics, so how about you call it something other than Jihad?".
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Phelan Driscoll
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.27 16:18:00 -
[107]
Edited by: Phelan Driscoll on 27/02/2008 16:19:10
Originally by: Schani Kratnorr
Now I am no muslim scolar, so I may be wrong, but Jihad used to be about inner struggle, and enlightenment. It has since been redefined to mean something like blow yourself up in the name the lord...
From a classical historical perspective, yes, you are very wrong. Typically if you have to type something like "now I am no X, so I may be wrong, but.." means that you are, in fact, going to be wrong and you should stop typing.
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Cho Ha'Tkai
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Posted - 2008.02.27 16:52:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Schani Kratnorr
Originally by: Cho Ha'Tkai
1) CCP published the facts, GS named it all by themselves
It's still CCP making the newsitem, and therefore approving of the whole jihad-termonology.
I wonder what would happen if I decided to call one of my EVE projects names like "the big-nosed plot to rule EVE" with a corp name referencing 2nd WW era political ideals.
My point is that I dont think it suits CCP to lack imagination to simply tell GS. "look guys, we cant have references to real world sensitive topics, so how about you call it something other than Jihad?".
ji+had ûnoun
1. a holy war undertaken as a sacred duty by Muslims.
2. any vigorous, emotional crusade for an idea or principle.
Again I strongly disagree, what about Muslim players who believe in the non violent aspects of a Jihad? What about the 50,000 players with semi-offensive names, or those with non-RP styled names? And to take it a step further, lets start censoring all religious references, as one of the youngest religions on the planet, Christianity should be getting bashed on a regular basis, Judaism, Buddhism, Catholicism, etc. etc. (and for that matter talk to a theology expert, the term Jihad stretches FAR beyond the realms of Muslim, Middle Eastern, or even EurAsian cultures... see definition of the word above )
CCP is doing the right thing, they report it exactly how it is, reporting on news is not approving of it, it's an informational article (and valuable one for Empire players) that they have taken a GOOD approach to, report the facts, let the players decide the rest for themselves. If you personally find it offensive, go find a GS member and take it out on them, not CCP.
Try to understand three basics on this;
EVE is an international MMO, they really can't discriminate against anyone or they lose business.
Censorship is a dangerous thing, and easily goes beyond "protective"
They run the game, they are not (nor ever have been) "Big Brother"
ps - Thank you CCP for keeping us informed in an unbiased and impartial method!
pps- Hey Goonies! You still haven't gotten either of my Hulks or my CNR *nyahh nyahh*
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Aprudena Gist
Caldari
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.27 17:13:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Cho Ha'Tkai
Originally by: Schani Kratnorr
Originally by: Cho Ha'Tkai
1) CCP published the facts, GS named it all by themselves
It's still CCP making the newsitem, and therefore approving of the whole jihad-termonology.
I wonder what would happen if I decided to call one of my EVE projects names like "the big-nosed plot to rule EVE" with a corp name referencing 2nd WW era political ideals.
My point is that I dont think it suits CCP to lack imagination to simply tell GS. "look guys, we cant have references to real world sensitive topics, so how about you call it something other than Jihad?".
ji+had ûnoun
1. a holy war undertaken as a sacred duty by Muslims.
2. any vigorous, emotional crusade for an idea or principle.
Again I strongly disagree, what about Muslim players who believe in the non violent aspects of a Jihad? What about the 50,000 players with semi-offensive names, or those with non-RP styled names? And to take it a step further, lets start censoring all religious references, as one of the youngest religions on the planet, Christianity should be getting bashed on a regular basis, Judaism, Buddhism, Catholicism, etc. etc. (and for that matter talk to a theology expert, the term Jihad stretches FAR beyond the realms of Muslim, Middle Eastern, or even EurAsian cultures... see definition of the word above )
CCP is doing the right thing, they report it exactly how it is, reporting on news is not approving of it, it's an informational article (and valuable one for Empire players) that they have taken a GOOD approach to, report the facts, let the players decide the rest for themselves. If you personally find it offensive, go find a GS member and take it out on them, not CCP.
Try to understand three basics on this;
EVE is an international MMO, they really can't discriminate against anyone or they lose business.
Censorship is a dangerous thing, and easily goes beyond "protective"
They run the game, they are not (nor ever have been) "Big Brother"
ps - Thank you CCP for keeping us informed in an unbiased and impartial method!
pps- Hey Goonies! You still haven't gotten either of my Hulks or my CNR *nyahh nyahh*
you know the second after you made this pps statement people are running locator agents and getting the gank train going right?
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Balou Scaut
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Posted - 2008.02.27 17:52:00 -
[110]
Edited by: Balou Scaut on 27/02/2008 17:53:14
Originally by: Katarlia Simov
Why do you feel the need to attack the player base for a few really REALLY cheap kills (since your not even suiciding) when you could actually contribute to the community?
They are suiciding, I have the salvage from their ships to prove it.
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Ishamel 1
Omega Fleet Enterprises
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.02.27 18:21:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Schani Kratnorr
Originally by: Cho Ha'Tkai
1) CCP published the facts, GS named it all by themselves
It's still CCP making the newsitem, and therefore approving of the whole jihad-termonology.
I wonder what would happen if I decided to call one of my EVE projects names like "the big-nosed plot to rule EVE" with a corp name referencing 2nd WW era political ideals.
My point is that I dont think it suits CCP to lack imagination to simply tell GS. "look guys, we cant have references to real world sensitive topics, so how about you call it something other than Jihad?".
Right, lest just ban words like "crusade", "terrorist", "bomb" as well. Maybe even "war" too huh? And "Eve"online? surely thats not pc. "new eden" huh, we better change that too. "Insurgency" must be cutting it a bit fine as well. Tell you what, lets call its "daisy picking online" instead.
I might also point in you in the direction of the sci-fi novels of Frank Herbert, one of the most popular and award winning sci fi authors ever. Amazingly enough a pivotal moment in the back story of this far future post apocalyptic struggle of man-kind isolated from its former home (sound familiar?) was called the "butlerian jihad". Now there is a whole lot of books we gotta burn too. You got any matches?
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Kiarah
Gallente
Janus Pilot Corps
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Posted - 2008.02.27 19:05:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Avon
To be fair, he could be on to something.
Did I mention that BoB has bouncy castles?
Too bad BoB recruitment is closed then.
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Ingor Torbu
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Posted - 2008.02.27 19:13:00 -
[113]
I think it's more about the isk:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=713603
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Dray
Caldari
Spartan Industries
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.02.27 20:26:00 -
[114]
Its all about the isk baby....
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K'reemy G'udness
The Greater Goon
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.27 21:21:00 -
[115]
Originally by: Dray
Its all about the isk baby....
For Jihadswarm it's actually about busload of virgins.
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Schani Kratnorr
Internal Revenue Service
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Posted - 2008.02.27 21:27:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Ishamel 1
Originally by: Schani Kratnorr
snip my opinions on CCP giving GS free publicity and allowing real-world terminology into their world.
Right, lest just ban words like "crusade", "terrorist", "bomb" as well. Maybe even "war" too huh? And "Eve"online? surely thats not pc. "new eden" huh, we better change that too. "Insurgency" must be cutting it a bit fine as well. Tell you what, lets call its "daisy picking online" instead.
I might also point in you in the direction of the sci-fi novels of Frank Herbert, one of the most popular and award winning sci fi authors ever. Amazingly enough a pivotal moment in the back story of this far future post apocalyptic struggle of man-kind isolated from its former home (sound familiar?) was called the "butlerian jihad". Now there is a whole lot of books we gotta burn too. You got any matches?
You seem very worked up, wanting to defend against an imaginary threat...
I guess there is a line. I am not suggesting we burn books, or ban certain words. If you got that from what I wrote, the you are reading too much into it.
I am pointing out that putting "jihad" and "suicide"-ganking together in a newsitem is beneath CCP, or at least used to be.
Now all I need to do is press F1-8 and have a "catch-phrase" to play.
I will form an Incredible Mob Of Fat People, and go around crashing nodes on purpose and whine about it on CAOD for months and months... WoW is THAT way ->
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Schani Kratnorr
Internal Revenue Service
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Posted - 2008.02.27 21:47:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Phelan Driscoll
Edited by: Phelan Driscoll on 27/02/2008 16:19:10
Originally by: Schani Kratnorr
Now I am no muslim scolar, so I may be wrong, but Jihad used to be about inner struggle, and enlightenment. It has since been redefined to mean something like blow yourself up in the name the lord...
From a classical historical perspective, yes, you are very wrong. Typically if you have to type something like "now I am no X, so I may be wrong, but.." means that you are, in fact, going to be wrong and you should stop typing.
So... by your logic, people should only open their mouth, or put pen to paper if they think themselves infallible?
I dont normally respond to GS posts, because they dont contain anything of substance, but in this case I am making an exeption.
Granted, I should have bothered to look it up on The Internet to verify beyond doubt the truth in what I write.
To be frank, I still find difference in the way the word "Jihad" has been used historicly, which only reaffirms my point
- that the recent "bomb-the-infidels"-variant, is something very much connected to real world issues, that a game development and publishing company should steer clear of.
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Cho Ha'Tkai
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Posted - 2008.02.27 21:59:00 -
[118]
*snip* Posting with an unidentified character and characters in NPC corporations in this forum is prohibited. If you wish to participate in the discussions here, be sure to have your corporation and or alliance status ticked in your forum settings. ~Saint
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DigitalCommunist
Obsidian Core
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Posted - 2008.02.27 22:10:00 -
[119]
I would believe individuals.
But I don't believe for one second, that two big alliances are completely indifferent to the drama and attention they'd get from empire ganks.
Doing it at the same time, roleplaying it, advertising it on a website... "You're stupid its for fun!", "NO WAY ITS ALL ABOUT THE ISK!". Yeah, even if you like the smell of your own farts, that's still crap you're smelling.
If someone is actually stupid enough to get angry over my theory, it's because I didn't imply their e-confidence and e-morale was shattered. That would've been so much easier to troll than "you care what others think", and "you're trying hard to impress".
It's not really a secret, but alliance people always try to hide it. Every established group has twirled for the public at some point, and at least recruitment is one of the better reasons.
What is so bad about admitting you'd like to wear makeup, put on a dress, dance for others, and be loved? Seriously. 
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Cassiuss
Minmatar
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.02.27 22:15:00 -
[120]
Edited by: Cassiuss on 27/02/2008 22:15:44
No idea why so many Goons getting emo.
I thought it was pretty good.
edit: My farts do smell pretty good too.
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karttoon
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.27 22:16:00 -
[121]
Originally by: DigitalCommunist
I would believe individuals.
But I don't believe for one second, that two big alliances are completely indifferent to the drama and attention they'd get from empire ganks.
Doing it at the same time, roleplaying it, advertising it on a website... "You're stupid its for fun!", "NO WAY ITS ALL ABOUT THE ISK!". Yeah, even if you like the smell of your own farts, that's still crap you're smelling.
If someone is actually stupid enough to get angry over my theory, it's because I didn't imply their e-confidence and e-morale was shattered. That would've been so much easier to troll than "you care what others think", and "you're trying hard to impress".
It's not really a secret, but alliance people always try to hide it. Every established group has twirled for the public at some point, and at least recruitment is one of the better reasons.
What is so bad about admitting you'd like to wear makeup, put on a dress, dance for others, and be loved? Seriously.
It's true, I do like the smell of my farts.
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Pytria Le'Danness
Placid Reborn
Coalition Of Empires
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Posted - 2008.02.27 22:46:00 -
[122]
Originally by: ISD Tsuki Kiyuu
Article on this and broader issues for anyone interested.
I recently killed a Serpentis vessel with little risk to myself. Can I get a news article too?
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Dai Nau
Mothership Connection Inc.
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.28 07:10:00 -
[123]
Originally by: DigitalCommunist
I would believe individuals.
But I don't believe for one second, that two big alliances are completely indifferent to the drama and attention they'd get from empire ganks.
Doing it at the same time, roleplaying it, advertising it on a website... "You're stupid its for fun!", "NO WAY ITS ALL ABOUT THE ISK!". Yeah, even if you like the smell of your own farts, that's still crap you're smelling.
If someone is actually stupid enough to get angry over my theory, it's because I didn't imply their e-confidence and e-morale was shattered. That would've been so much easier to troll than "you care what others think", and "you're trying hard to impress".
It's not really a secret, but alliance people always try to hide it. Every established group has twirled for the public at some point, and at least recruitment is one of the better reasons.
What is so bad about admitting you'd like to wear makeup, put on a dress, dance for others, and be loved? Seriously.
lol it's all about the isk, there's so much isk in righteously suicide bombing hulks
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128th ABC123
Eve Liberation Force
Sylph Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.28 07:43:00 -
[124]
Originally by: Aprudena Gist
you know the second after you made this pps statement people are running locator agents and getting the gank train going right?
So now you are saying people aren't allowed to express their opinion on this forums cuz some Goon has a problem with that? Get real dude.
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Dai Nau
Mothership Connection Inc.
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.28 07:54:00 -
[125]
Originally by: 128th ABC123
Originally by: Aprudena Gist
you know the second after you made this pps statement people are running locator agents and getting the gank train going right?
So now you are saying people aren't allowed to express their opinion on this forums cuz some Goon has a problem with that? Get real dude.
this is exactly what we're saying
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Sophia Furies
Gallente
Black Company Inc.
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Posted - 2008.02.28 08:11:00 -
[126]
Lol Wut?
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Baxalusx
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.28 08:36:00 -
[127]
Originally by: DigitalCommunist
I would believe individuals.
But I don't believe for one second, that two big alliances are completely indifferent to the drama and attention they'd get from empire ganks.
Doing it at the same time, roleplaying it, advertising it on a website... "You're stupid its for fun!", "NO WAY ITS ALL ABOUT THE ISK!". Yeah, even if you like the smell of your own farts, that's still crap you're smelling.
If someone is actually stupid enough to get angry over my theory, it's because I didn't imply their e-confidence and e-morale was shattered. That would've been so much easier to troll than "you care what others think", and "you're trying hard to impress".
It's not really a secret, but alliance people always try to hide it. Every established group has twirled for the public at some point, and at least recruitment is one of the better reasons.
What is so bad about admitting you'd like to wear makeup, put on a dress, dance for others, and be loved? Seriously.
Noone gives two craps about what you believe. Substantiate your points so they can be dismissed or stop posting so we can at least have some funny ****posts.
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Ishamel 1
Omega Fleet Enterprises
Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.02.28 16:13:00 -
[128]
Originally by: 128th ABC123
Originally by: Aprudena Gist
you know the second after you made this pps statement people are running locator agents and getting the gank train going right?
So now you are saying people aren't allowed to express their opinion on this forums cuz some Goon has a problem with that? Get real dude.
I am fairly certain its more to do telling hulk/cnr killing people that you have a hulk/cnr they haven't killed yet and daring them to do so tbqfh.
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Local Her0
Minmatar
La Mancha Corp
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Posted - 2008.02.28 16:28:00 -
[129]
so internetspaceshippilots killed other internetspaceshippilots internetspaceships with there internetspaceshipguns? omg, call the police!
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Death Mate
Death Mates
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Posted - 2008.02.28 17:36:00 -
[130]
Originally by: Local Her0
so internetspaceshippilots killed other internetspaceshippilots internetspaceships with there internetspaceshipguns? omg, call the police!
Dude, the police don't handle that sort of thing. What is wrong with you?
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Aiolos Caci
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.02.29 02:48:00 -
[131]
Smells like someone in Goons is one of the exhumer BPO owners. Simple :)
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KIATolon
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.29 09:40:00 -
[132]
Originally by: Aiolos Caci
Smells like someone in Goons is one of the exhumer BPO owners. Simple :)
Surely it'd be an RA/TCF/Tortuga leader, ordering us to do it?
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Dai Nau
Mothership Connection Inc.
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.02.29 09:43:00 -
[133]
Originally by: KIATolon
Originally by: Aiolos Caci
Smells like someone in Goons is one of the exhumer BPO owners. Simple :)
Surely it'd be an RA/TCF/Tortuga leader, ordering us to do it?
are you going to come kill hulks with us or what
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Tasko Pal
Heron Corporation
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Posted - 2008.02.29 12:10:00 -
[134]
Boy, I hope all these issues get worked out before jump freighter production starts again. Or a jump freighter is going to be a ship that I fly only when I have 4-7 billion isk too much. Because surely a ship of that cost and inability to defend itself is mocking the jihad.
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Na'amah
The Children of Lilith
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Posted - 2008.02.29 14:15:00 -
[135]
Edited by: Na''amah on 29/02/2008 14:16:14
Edited by: Na''amah on 29/02/2008 14:15:48
Originally by: DigitalCommunist
But when it became apparent the BoB NOL defense was very enthusiastic and GoonSwarm activity is on a downspin, it prompted a reaction by GS. TRI members must of felt it was some kind of preemptive move to poach players leaving the other groups, by asserting themselves as "the most fun alliance ever" through empire ganks.
You're reading too much into it.
One corp in Tri started doing it because they had members that had experience doing it before, worked out exactly how much they could make in a night of decent suicides compared to the cost; the lulz factor came into the picture after that. It's easy money.
They were careful about trying to keep it under wraps for 2 reasons; the less publicity it got, the longer and more often they could keep doing it. They waited about 48 hours before posting kills/losses to the tri boards for the suicdes to keep them off the front page etc.
Before long, angel picked it up. Obviously, she was too busy thinking about shoes to consider that keeping it under wraps would increase the lifespan of our little earner; before long there were a handful of tri gangs suiciding complete crap, barely making profit; again, I assume angel was too busy thinking about shoes to do actual maths and work out they were making no money.
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