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Roxanna Kell FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.26 16:17:00 - [1] If i think about this any longer, my little brain will explode. If you have some seriously good ideas, now its the time to share them, and sorry noobs, no offense. Quote: You are what you are, fool
Rawr Cristina Caldari Cult of Rawr	Posted - 2008.02.26 16:27:00 - [2] Rox eats babies
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.02.26 16:29:00 - [3] Originally by: Roxanna Kell If i think about this any longer, my little brain will explode. If you have some seriously good ideas, now its the time to share them, and sorry noobs, no offense. Try playing a new character that's not a member of a hugely rich and powerful alliance. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.02.26 16:31:00 - [4] Originally by: Malcanis Try playing a new character that's not a member of a hugely rich and powerful alliance. hehe Originally by: MM0RPG EVE Review "if you aren't my friend you are my income."
Lucas Avignon Avignon Associates Inc.	Posted - 2008.02.26 16:33:00 - [5] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Roxanna Kell If i think about this any longer, my little brain will explode. If you have some seriously good ideas, now its the time to share them, and sorry noobs, no offense. Try playing a new character that's not a member of a hugely rich and powerful alliance. This tbh. .... sig goes here!
Roxanna Kell FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.26 16:35:00 - [6] I swear i got 3 mills in my wallet. or 4. but hey, anti bob flmaes will ensue as long as ***** ***** * * ** * *** * ******* ** * * ** ***** * ***** * * * Quote: You are what you are, fool
Kerfira University of Caille	Posted - 2008.02.26 16:47:00 - [7] Edited by: Kerfira on 26/02/2008 16:52:39 First, fix insurance so replacement ships are not essentially free. Follow this up with insurance only being available in high-sec, and 50% in low-sec. Nerf dread's and Rorqual's jump-freighter like ability. Re-align missions to take into account the huge boost in tanking people got when rigs were introduced. Also re-align missions to take into account the boost mission runners got in DPS with the easy access (through the LP store) to faction launchers/turrets/damagemods as well as the new implants. All in all, playing in EVE has been made massively easier over the last couple of years. Personally I don't like this since it takes a lot of the challenge out of the game and WoW'ifies it in a bad way. Make more types of ice. Ice products used to power capitals can only be mined in 0.4 or lower. Change mission loot a lot. First of all, make it non-refinable. Second, over time separate mission loot from what can be built by players. Instead of rats dropping launchers/turrets/modules, they should instead gradually move to dropping only items players can't build, but which can't be acquired otherwise. F.ex. Nanite Paste would have been a good candidate for loot drop instead of being sold in stations. This'll mean that mining and producing will become necessary to do again. Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Roxanna Kell FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.26 16:52:00 - [8] 1,2,5 Good ideas, same or similar changes would be effective, Bringing T1 insurance in line with t2 may be a better solution. 6 Quote: You are what you are, fool
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.02.26 16:56:00 - [9] Originally by: Roxanna Kell I swear i got 3 mills in my wallet. or 4. but hey, anti bob flmaes will ensue as long as ***** ***** * * ** * *** * ******* ** * * ** ***** * ***** * * * Now, now, sweety. Calm down and don't say bad words like that, or the good boys wont come calling. While I agree that "rich" and "hugely powerful" are the worst insults that can be levied at any alliance, I meant my suggestion sincerely. Have you actually tried playing a new low-SP alt, making your way without your normal support network? CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Rawr Cristina Caldari Cult of Rawr	Posted - 2008.02.26 16:56:00 - [10] Originally by: Kerfira Edited by: Kerfira on 26/02/2008 16:52:39 First, fix insurance so replacement ships are not essentially free. Follow this up with insurance only being available in high-sec, and 50% in low-sec. Nerf dread's and Rorqual's jump-freighter like ability. Re-align missions to take into account the huge boost in tanking people got when rigs were introduced. Also re-align missions to take into account the boost mission runners got in DPS with the easy access (through the LP store) to faction launchers/turrets/damagemods as well as the new implants. All in all, playing in EVE has been made massively easier over the last couple of years. Personally I don't like this since it takes a lot of the challenge out of the game and WoW'ifies it in a bad way. Make more types of ice. Ice products used to power capitals can only be mined in 0.4 or lower. Change mission loot a lot. First of all, make it non-refinable. Second, over time separate mission loot from what can be built by players. Instead of rats dropping launchers/turrets/modules, they should instead gradually move to dropping only items players can't build, but which can't be acquired otherwise. F.ex. Nanite Paste would have been a good candidate for loot drop instead of being sold in stations. This'll mean that mining and producing will become necessary to do again. I can agree with this
Roxanna Kell FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.26 16:59:00 - [11] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Roxanna Kell I swear i got 3 mills in my wallet. or 4. but hey, anti bob flmaes will ensue as long as ***** ***** * * ** * *** * ******* ** * * ** ***** * ***** * * * Now, now, sweety. Calm down and don't say bad words like that, or the good boys wont come calling. While I agree that "rich" and "hugely powerful" are the worst insults that can be levied at any alliance, I meant my suggestion sincerely. Have you actually tried playing a new low-SP alt, making your way without your normal support network? long before you were crawling, Ever thought about checking people's history before spitting Bs? You miss the point of this thread entirly, go away. Quote: You are what you are, fool
Kerfira University of Caille	Posted - 2008.02.26 17:00:00 - [12] Originally by: Kerfira Re-align missions to take into account the huge boost in tanking people got when rigs were introduced. Also re-align missions to take into account the boost mission runners got in DPS with the easy access (through the LP store) to faction launchers/turrets/damagemods as well as the new implants. ...forgot that belt/exploration/complex rats would need to be realigned too..... Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
thoth foc Arcane Technologies The Five	Posted - 2008.02.26 17:06:00 - [13] Originally by: Rawr Cristina Originally by: Kerfira Edited by: Kerfira on 26/02/2008 16:52:39 First, fix insurance so replacement ships are not essentially free. Follow this up with insurance only being available in high-sec, and 50% in low-sec. Nerf dread's and Rorqual's jump-freighter like ability. Re-align missions to take into account the huge boost in tanking people got when rigs were introduced. Also re-align missions to take into account the boost mission runners got in DPS with the easy access (through the LP store) to faction launchers/turrets/damagemods as well as the new implants. All in all, playing in EVE has been made massively easier over the last couple of years. Personally I don't like this since it takes a lot of the challenge out of the game and WoW'ifies it in a bad way. Make more types of ice. Ice products used to power capitals can only be mined in 0.4 or lower. Change mission loot a lot. First of all, make it non-refinable. Second, over time separate mission loot from what can be built by players. Instead of rats dropping launchers/turrets/modules, they should instead gradually move to dropping only items players can't build, but which can't be acquired otherwise. F.ex. Nanite Paste would have been a good candidate for loot drop instead of being sold in stations. This'll mean that mining and producing will become necessary to do again. I can agree with this I've seen the suggestion about removing insurance before, and forwarded it to eve tv as a question to ask during the interviews with the devs.. will be intereseting to see if they get an answer.. The others look sensible too.. _________________________ xMenta (DSMA) xBOS (CA) ATUK (.5.) DICE (BOB) xElcyion Lacar
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.02.26 17:09:00 - [14] Well, I'd just have to say: Find better opponents I'm annoyed with all the nerfing/balancing ------------ Originally by: Praxis1452 you win eve
Valan The Fated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.26 17:16:00 - [15] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Roxanna Kell If i think about this any longer, my little brain will explode. If you have some seriously good ideas, now its the time to share them, and sorry noobs, no offense. Try playing a new character that's not a member of a hugely rich and powerful alliance. Yes because us old timers don't have any alts or anything do we? I've always got a low SP alt on the go. /start sig I love old characters that post 'I've beeen playing the game four years' when I know their account has been sold on. /end sig
Barbens Black Lotus Foundation Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.26 17:22:00 - [16] I don't know...Maybe get eve a bit excited, it might get heard then... BaRbEnS Moderated in 3...2...1...
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.02.26 17:23:00 - [17] Originally by: Valan Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Roxanna Kell If i think about this any longer, my little brain will explode. If you have some seriously good ideas, now its the time to share them, and sorry noobs, no offense. Try playing a new character that's not a member of a hugely rich and powerful alliance. Yes because us old timers don't have any alts or anything do we? I've always got a low SP alt on the go. With no support even from your main...? CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Roxanna Kell FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.26 17:25:00 - [18] Originally by: techzer0 Well, I'd just have to say: Find better opponents I'm annoyed with all the nerfing/balancing Its not about the opponent in this situation, its about the game's easy back to combat formula, killing someone meant that you hurt them a bit, and it will be a while before you see them in the same ship again, least not any tiem soon if they did not stockpile a good ammount of isk/ships/mode/....ect Now that hardly apply, only to the laziest of lazys. So, killiong people in eve has lost some of its values that made eve popular long during the first 3 years of the game. than things went downhill after RMR, easier more rewarding missions in empire came about, rigs came about makign those missions easier, without changing the missions to bring the balance back. Insurance keep on bringing more isk into the game, creating more business,see inflation threads about this, i am not too sure. Anyways, think i ve said enogh. those who know what iam talking about, have been there, those who don't B* away. Quote:** You are what you are, fool
Spoon Thumb Caldari Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.26 17:28:00 - [19] Tactical Environments or some equivalent of "weather" and "terrain" that you get IRL Make pirate faction ships and maybe mods illegal in empire Remove insurance, especially on cap-ships. Insurance payouts there are most certainly not about protecting newbies from losing everything Make booster penalties the loss of attributes on that clone Move all high quality lvl 4 agents to low sec. Still retain one or two in high sec but -17 or -18 quality, as is the way in Khanid region --- Those are some fairly standard ideas. More complex things added rather than balancing / tweaking would take more thought but could include planet or system wide belts, making things harder for miners looking for ore and harder for those hunting them than simply a discreet set of mining sites like we have now. Also requirements for soveriegnty to be more about good management of a system rather than just "we've had more POS for more weeks than you, therefore we are allowed a cyno jammer and you're not". Smaller targets as well would be nice, things that have low but not insignificant impact that small gangs can go after Khaldari khanidpublic: RP channel for Kingdom loyalists Recruiting
Spoon Thumb Caldari Paladin Imperium Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.26 17:29:00 - [20] Originally by: Kerfira Change mission loot a lot. First of all, make it non-refinable. Second, over time separate mission loot from what can be built by players. Instead of rats dropping launchers/turrets/modules, they should instead gradually move to dropping only items players can't build, but which can't be acquired otherwise. F.ex. Nanite Paste would have been a good candidate for loot drop instead of being sold in stations. This'll mean that mining and producing will become necessary to do again. Totally agree. T1 is broken atm as far as manufacturing and making money off it is concerned Khaldari khanidpublic: RP channel for Kingdom loyalists Recruiting
Joe Starbreaker Starbreaker Spaceways Nex Eternus	Posted - 2008.02.26 17:30:00 - [21] Edited by: Joe Starbreaker on 26/02/2008 17:30:45 How about adding an EVE bank that will lend you money, but add the potential for getting deeply in debt? Perhaps repossession and/or periodic attack by bank rats would add to the fun. This could drive an ISK-grinding Caldari back into a rookie ship with a hard slog of courier missions needed to get back to breakeven. Debt could make or ruin entire corps! I was also thinking that insurance, and interest rates on debt, should be based on performance as in the real world. Loans secured by assets would have lower interest rates than unsecured loans. Interest premiums would get increasingly expensive for people who lose their ships often.
Bish Ounen Gallente Omni-Core Freedom Fighters Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.02.26 17:31:00 - [22] Roll Amarr? ... just sayin'....
Roxanna Kell FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.26 17:31:00 - [23] Originally by: Spoon Thumb Tactical Environments or some equivalent of "weather" and "terrain" that you get IRL Make pirate faction ships and maybe mods illegal in empire Remove insurance, especially on cap-ships. Insurance payouts there are most certainly not about protecting newbies from losing everything Make booster penalties the loss of attributes on that clone Move all high quality lvl 4 agents to low sec. Still retain one or two in high sec but -17 or -18 quality, as is the way in Khanid region --- Those are some fairly standard ideas. More complex things added rather than balancing / tweaking would take more thought but could include planet or system wide belts, making things harder for miners looking for ore and harder for those hunting them than simply a discreet set of mining sites like we have now. Also requirements for soveriegnty to be more about good management of a system rather than just "we've had more POS for more weeks than you, therefore we are allowed a cyno jammer and you're not". Smaller targets as well would be nice, things that have low but not insignificant impact that small gangs can go after I agree, <---bad forum reply, but it applies. Quote: You are what you are, fool
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2008.02.26 17:39:00 - [24] Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 26/02/2008 17:39:33 Originally by: Roxanna Kell If i think about this any longer, my little brain will explode. If you have some seriously good ideas, now its the time to share them, and sorry noobs, no offense. IMHO its not EVE who have become easier. Its the veteran players who have become more skilled, experienced, richer and have a broader network of friends to draw help from. Also the game have broadnes a little. Now we have more variation of things to do, not to mention "newbie manuals" to a certain degree. Making it harder from the game would hurt the new players I think, since they are having some of the same problems as many vets had when they started. Ok, they might not have it as difficult as the betatesters, but then the game was brand new. Just my 0.2 cents.. Originally by: CCP Whisper I got your ambulation right here... <walks off to get more wine>
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.02.26 17:40:00 - [25] If you're genuinely concerned that there is too much ISK in the game then it's worth noting that the flow from insurance is a tiny trickle compared to the raging torrent created by ISK-farmers... get a low SP alt and join Metafarmers? I dunno, T2 ships and mods are much cheaper now than they used to be because of invention, but I don't see how this can be a bad thing for the game or why it should be changed. yes, losing a Vagabond or a Sabre doesn't hurt like it used to, but on the other hand people fly a lot more of them and lose a lot more of them. That's different from how things used to be, but I'm not convinced that it's worse. FWIW, I have noticed that high-end mineral prices have been rising, so it's more worthwhile to mine vs ratting than it used to be. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Rawr Cristina Caldari Cult of Rawr	Posted - 2008.02.26 17:42:00 - [26] Originally by: techzer0 Well, I'd just have to say: Find better opponents What he's saying is that you should come with me to Ihakana to cause a stir with the IDLE GUNS, be bored and rich enough to fight impossible odds before inevitably dying a horrible death
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.02.26 17:44:00 - [27] Originally by: Roxanna Kell Originally by: techzer0 Well, I'd just have to say: Find better opponents I'm annoyed with all the nerfing/balancing Its not about the opponent in this situation, its about the game's easy back to combat formula, killing someone meant that you hurt them a bit, and it will be a while before you see them in the same ship again, least not any tiem soon if they did not stockpile a good ammount of isk/ships/mode/....ect Now that hardly apply, only to the laziest of lazys. So, killiong people in eve has lost some of its values that made eve popular long during the first 3 years of the game. than things went downhill after RMR, easier more rewarding missions in empire came about, rigs came about makign those missions easier, without changing the missions to bring the balance back. Insurance keep on bringing more isk into the game, creating more business,see inflation threads about this, i am not too sure. Anyways, think i ve said enogh. those who know what iam talking about, have been there, those who don't B* away. Ahh I can see where you're going with that. Unfortunately it seems that the game has to go that way attract subscribers. I remember nearly quitting because it was going to take me a week or so of grinding lvl 1's to replace my first cruiser ------------ Originally by:** Praxis1452 you win eve
Ogul Caldari ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.02.26 17:50:00 - [28] How to get it hard again? Have you tried Viagra or Cialis? --- This is a war declaration, issued from your alt corp. It is used to gank people in high sec.
Roxanna Kell FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.26 17:52:00 - [29] Edited by: Roxanna Kell on 26/02/2008 17:52:14 So, Hard game = less subscribers? I thought people liked the thrill, and heart pppounding whenever there is an encounter. If this gets any worse, we will be pvping afk. Quote: You are what you are, fool
Ephemeron Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.26 17:56:00 - [30] Originally by: Roxanna Kell If i think about this any longer, my little brain will explode. If you have some seriously good ideas, now its the time to share them, and sorry noobs, no offense. Nerfing local is the simplest way to do it. The results will be widespread and far reaching. Consequences and strategies can be discussed for years

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