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Roxanna Kell FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.26 18:00:00 - [31] Edited by: Roxanna Kell on 26/02/2008 17:59:54 Originally by: Ephemeron Originally by: Roxanna Kell If i think about this any longer, my little brain will explode. If you have some seriously good ideas, now its the time to share them, and sorry noobs, no offense. Nerfing local is the simplest way to do it. The results will be widespread and far reaching. Consequences and strategies can be discussed for years Nothing is simple to eve, make a nurf local thread, and watch the whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, until infinity. Think of the highest number you can think off, and add 1 to it, thats how many people will whine. Quote: You are what you are, fool
Dalek Commander	Posted - 2008.02.26 18:00:00 - [32] Originally by: Kerfira Edited by: Kerfira on 26/02/2008 16:52:39 Re-align missions to take into account the huge boost in tanking people got when rigs were introduced. Also re-align missions to take into account the boost mission runners got in DPS with the easy access (through the LP store) to faction launchers/turrets/damagemods as well as the new implants. I have never used rigs or faction items for level 1-4 missions, so your hypothesis is wrong in thinking those elements have made a drastic impact. Sure it's slightly easier, but nothing game breaking. I would say the biggest problem is that 0.0 space has become relatively safe, and provides easy access for crappy alliances full of crappy players to very rich resources. IMHO 0.0 space is too big, and should be scaled down so that there is more contention for the resources.
Roxanna Kell FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.26 18:02:00 - [33] Originally by: Dalek Commander Originally by: Kerfira Edited by: Kerfira on 26/02/2008 16:52:39 Re-align missions to take into account the huge boost in tanking people got when rigs were introduced. Also re-align missions to take into account the boost mission runners got in DPS with the easy access (through the LP store) to faction launchers/turrets/damagemods as well as the new implants. I have never used rigs or faction items for level 1-4 missions, so your hypothesis is wrong in thinking those elements have made a drastic impact. Sure it's slightly easier, but nothing game breaking. I would say the biggest problem is that 0.0 space has become relatively safe, and provides easy access for crappy alliances full of crappy players to very rich resources. IMHO 0.0 space is too big, and should be scaled down so that there is more contention for the resources. someone put this guy out of his misery. Because you don't use rigs, doesn't make his opinion wrong, and about scaling 0.0 down, die, just die. People are complaining about overcrowding last i heard, Go play wow if you like to be pushed in thru a gate. Quote: You are what you are, fool
techzer0 IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.02.26 18:03:00 - [34] Originally by: Roxanna Kell Edited by: Roxanna Kell on 26/02/2008 17:59:54 Originally by: Ephemeron Originally by: Roxanna Kell If i think about this any longer, my little brain will explode. If you have some seriously good ideas, now its the time to share them, and sorry noobs, no offense. Nerfing local is the simplest way to do it. The results will be widespread and far reaching. Consequences and strategies can be discussed for years Nothing is simple to eve, make a nurf local thread, and watch the whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, until infinity. Think of the highest number you can think off, and add 1 to it, thats how many people will whine. Hahah, yeah ------------ Originally by: Praxis1452 you win eve
Dalek Commander	Posted - 2008.02.26 18:21:00 - [35] Originally by: Roxanna Kell Originally by: Dalek Commander Originally by: Kerfira Edited by: Kerfira on 26/02/2008 16:52:39 Re-align missions to take into account the huge boost in tanking people got when rigs were introduced. Also re-align missions to take into account the boost mission runners got in DPS with the easy access (through the LP store) to faction launchers/turrets/damagemods as well as the new implants. I have never used rigs or faction items for level 1-4 missions, so your hypothesis is wrong in thinking those elements have made a drastic impact. Sure it's slightly easier, but nothing game breaking. I would say the biggest problem is that 0.0 space has become relatively safe, and provides easy access for crappy alliances full of crappy players to very rich resources. IMHO 0.0 space is too big, and should be scaled down so that there is more contention for the resources. someone put this guy out of his misery. Because you don't use rigs, doesn't make his opinion wrong, and about scaling 0.0 down, die, just die. People are complaining about overcrowding last i heard, Go play wow if you like to be pushed in thru a gate. Meh.. I played WoW and it wasn't over crowded and I played on a very full server. There is vast regions of 0.0 space claimed as sovereign property by alliances incapable of defending it, but people complain about 0.0 being over crowded? What you're really saying is people are complaining they weren't in Eve when 0.0 space was released and couldn't get their slice of free pie. Maybe you would think differently if Delve wasn't handed to BoB on a silver platter beforehand by your pets in So, what's easier, crying to CCP you need more 0.0 space, or kicking out an alliance with dozens of NAPs setup with 1/2 the Eve server as allies? Seems the problem isn't more 0.0 space, but incentives for alliances to keep or go after resources.
Haradgrim The Wild Bunch INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.02.26 18:21:00 - [36] 1) Remove jump bridges and Cynojammers from the game 2) Change local (not a complete nerf and leave the chat channel, just dont make it instant updating) 3) LEGENDARY MODE: Remove concord Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
Praesus Lecti Gallente Blueprint Haus Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.02.26 18:32:00 - [37] I'd go so far as to make many things that are currently predictable far less predictable. Asteroid belts all exist in static locations and they respawn at predictable intervals. Randomize their locations so that to find them requires the use of specific skills and modules. Introduce truly solid objects in conjunction with line of sight. Thus it would be possible to utilize ships, asteroids and other objects as cover during a fight. A fast and maneuverable ship could use asteroids to cover it's escape route from an aggressor. A battleship could act as a physical shield to protect smaller ships by blocking line of sight. Re-envision POS mechanics to cut down the blob warfare syndrome through separation of the various components within a system. Thus to destroy the tower requires a coordinated effort at multiple locations simultaneously utilizing wide ranging skills (not just combat pew pew skils). One such component would be solar collectors that must be anchored within 2 AU of the sun. The size of the tower determines the number of solar collectors needed. An anchored solar collector can have a small number of defensive guns associated with it so they aren't defenseless but can be taken out by small groups. These solar collects provide the minimum power necessary for the daily function of the POS. The other resources currently used would be consumed for when the POS and it's components are under attack much like how Strontium is used for reinforced mode. Moon mining units would be anchored at a moon and have a few defensive guns like the solar collector. A silo would be positioned there as well. As material is extracted and placed in the silo, and NPC transport appears, collects the stored items and proceeds to move it to the POS. Hostile forces can intercept and "disrupt" the supply chain by killing the transports. This would give small roaming gangs a larger impact on opposing force logistics. To be continued...
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.02.26 18:37:00 - [38] Originally by: Roxanna Kell If i think about this any longer, my little brain will explode. If you have some seriously good ideas, now its the time to share them, and sorry noobs, no offense. Not joining the percieved top dogs at first sign of trouble is one way to access this hardcore mode. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Turkish Slim	Posted - 2008.02.26 18:38:00 - [39] Edited by: Turkish Slim on 26/02/2008 18:41:59 Originally by: Valan Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: Roxanna Kell If i think about this any longer, my little brain will explode. If you have some seriously good ideas, now its the time to share them, and sorry noobs, no offense. Try playing a new character that's not a member of a hugely rich and powerful alliance. Yes because us old timers don't have any alts or anything do we? I've always got a low SP alt on the go. Not the same thing. Even with the low SP you've got: 1) ISK from your much older main. (New players don't have this but do have GTCs if they want to go that route) 2) Powerful friends to help you out in a jam. (New players are very unlikely to have this kind of support) 3) Experience, you know what to do and when. (New players will never have this and this gives you a huge advantage over a new player, no way to roll this one back except to switch to a completely new game or via repeated severe blows to the head resulting in amnesia and likely brain damage) 4) Freedom to focus on a narrow aspect of the game (tied in to Experience) since you've probably got at least the basics covered by your main. (Newbies since they lack experience won't specialize the way you will. Its the experience thing again since they probably don't know what they want or what they'll need they aren't as likely to focus on one aspect early on.) You want to make the game harder? Get rid of simultaneous clients running on the same computer. Make it exactly like the when you attempt to run a paid and trial account on the same computer.
Roxanna Kell FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.26 18:44:00 - [40] Originally by: Danton Marcellus Originally by: Roxanna Kell If i think about this any longer, my little brain will explode. If you have some seriously good ideas, now its the time to share them, and sorry noobs, no offense. Not joining the percieved top dogs at first sign of trouble is one way to access this hardcore mode. anymore people wanna tell me to leave bob again without looking at my history? dude, read other than just the first post, you saying the same st that others said. It makes you look bad Quote:** You are what you are, fool
Mehos Spun	Posted - 2008.02.26 18:44:00 - [41] look at the numbers! most players are in Empire the better question qould be how get them out of the empire? i think red vs blue is a good start do interduce pvp. people will dare to go into lowsec. (me thinks of NPC cooperation constantly at war with each other) mfg Mehos
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.02.26 18:47:00 - [42] Originally by: Roxanna Kell Originally by: Danton Marcellus Originally by: Roxanna Kell If i think about this any longer, my little brain will explode. If you have some seriously good ideas, now its the time to share them, and sorry noobs, no offense. Not joining the percieved top dogs at first sign of trouble is one way to access this hardcore mode. anymore people wanna tell me to leave bob again without looking at my history? dude, read other than just the first post, you saying the same s**t that others said. It makes you look bad Actually it makes you look bad, you can't seriously post this being a BoB member and expect it to be taken serious. We on the other hand have always fended for ourselves and I can tell you it's plenty hard as it is. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Dannyy Gilded Goose Brokerage	Posted - 2008.02.26 18:51:00 - [43] Edited by: Dannyy on 26/02/2008 18:55:43 If you mean harder in a broader sense then purely the death penalty then you could do a few things: 1. death penalty: differentiate insurance on tech1 ships. The higher the ship class, the lower the insurance coverage. Start with 100% max at frigs, end with 50-70% max for BS. Remove all insurance coverage for classes above frigates for concord-induced death. 2. disallow war dodging/ nerf NPC corps. You figure out how, it's not that hard. At the same time however, allow anyone set to a +10 by the 'declared on' party to engage the declaring party on a retaliation-only basis (third party has to shoot before declarer party can return fire, like in can flagging). 3. nerf ALL direct connections between gallente/minnie space block and amarr/caldari space block. Make people need to travel through low sec, or buy at increased prices those goods that are race/region specific (like certain rig components, and to some extent certain minerals). Traders will flourish, chosing your base will matter more, death penalties will vary more according to local cost for replacement. You will thus also see somewhat more racially-oriented fleets depending on primary home area of corporation/alliance. 4. remove the requirement of sovereignty for station/outpost taking. This diversifies strategical targets in those attainable by blob (economic) and those also attainable temporarily by singular fleet/gang. Services were a start, but aren't enough quite yet. 5. Limit the amount of possible outposts rigourously (no good having ten outposts with ten jumps of any given location in popular 0.0). Instead, allow expansion of them. There needs to be swathes of non-dockable space out there. Example: max one of each type per constellation, max two of each per region. Every additional outpost means they all become destructible untill the max count is restored (then they revert to invulnerability). 6. nerf hub stations: every npc corp only trades in some goods, every npc station only allows the trading of certain goods. Trade oriented npc corps: resources of all types. Military oriented: hardware (ships, guns, modules). Industry oriented: industry type hardware plus half-constructs (reactions, rigs, implants). Something like that. Combined, this makes trade harder but more interesting. Production harder but more interesting (and possibly more profitable), warfare harder but more interesting, and 0.0 empire building and maintaining harder but more interesting.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.02.26 19:00:00 - [44] Originally by: Roxanna Kell Edited by: Roxanna Kell on 26/02/2008 17:59:54 Originally by: Ephemeron Originally by: Roxanna Kell If i think about this any longer, my little brain will explode. If you have some seriously good ideas, now its the time to share them, and sorry noobs, no offense. Nerfing local is the simplest way to do it. The results will be widespread and far reaching. Consequences and strategies can be discussed for years Nothing is simple to eve, make a nurf local thread, and watch the whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, until infinity. Think of the highest number you can think off, and add 1 to it, thats how many people will whine. Heh, I remember that day when local stopped working... that was pretty cool. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Andrue Amarr Federation Of Space Loonies Culture Shock Initiative	Posted - 2008.02.26 19:12:00 - [45] Edited by: Andrue on 26/02/2008 19:15:48 Originally by: Roxanna Kell So, killiong people in eve has lost some of its values that made eve popular long during the first 3 years of the game. than things went downhill after RMR, easier more rewarding missions in empire came about, rigs came about makign those missions easier, without changing the missions to bring the balance back. And yet, curiously, after RMR subscriber numbers rocketed upward. Just because some of you get your rocks off from hurting other people doesn't mean that everyone does. Making combat losses less costly increases the likelihood of people participating. If you make Eve 'harder' it will just lose subscribers and die. -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Atnal	Posted - 2008.02.26 19:19:00 - [46] When npcing in belts give rats a better AI. It seems that when yoru permatank them they just do the same thing over and over and not switch agro to a mining barge or something.
Roxanna Kell FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.26 19:23:00 - [47] Originally by: Danton Marcellus Actually it makes you look bad, you can't seriously post this being a BoB member and expect it to be taken seriously. We on the other hand have always fended for ourselves and I can tell you it's plenty hard as it is. Thats an idiotic philosophy, You re just a whiner. As for eve subscribers, EVE went up in memebrs since its start, tehre wasn't a time were the number of subscribers went down, if anything the increase is mostly due to add ons, new ships, added conquest and so on, nothing to do with eve getting easier. There is more than just one factor to a genral outcome. Quote: You are what you are, fool
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.02.26 19:35:00 - [48] Originally by: Roxanna Kell Originally by: Danton Marcellus Actually it makes you look bad, you can't seriously post this being a BoB member and expect it to be taken seriously. We on the other hand have always fended for ourselves and I can tell you it's plenty hard as it is. Thats an idiotic philosophy, You re just a whiner. As for eve subscribers, EVE went up in memebrs since its start, tehre wasn't a time were the number of subscribers went down, if anything the increase is mostly due to add ons, new ships, added conquest and so on, nothing to do with eve getting easier. There is more than just one factor to a genral outcome. Your thread is idiotic. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Haradgrim The Wild Bunch INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.02.26 19:35:00 - [49] Originally by: Turkish Slim You want to make the game harder? Get rid of simultaneous clients running on the same computer. Make it exactly like the when you attempt to run a paid and trial account on the same computer. Then people with two computers benifit (I say that as someone with 2), and if you try to limit that (probably only possible through some sort of method involving tracking logged in IPs) then you can only have 1 account per family, try selling that to the guys whose wives play (and I have heard the wives voices on TS) Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
Roxanna Kell FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.26 19:46:00 - [50] Originally by: Danton Marcellus Your thread is idiotic. Don't post than. Quote: You are what you are, fool
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.26 19:52:00 - [51] Originally by: Danton Marcellus Actually it makes you look bad, you can't seriously post this being a BoB member and expect it to be taken seriously. We on the other hand have always fended for ourselves and I can tell you it's plenty hard as it is. That's pretty much the dumbest thing I've ever heard. But then again, according to your flawless logic, I must be a dumb newbie who can only fly Rifters, which I fit with Civilian modules. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.02.26 19:54:00 - [52] Originally by: An Anarchyyt Originally by: Danton Marcellus Actually it makes you look bad, you can't seriously post this being a BoB member and expect it to be taken seriously. We on the other hand have always fended for ourselves and I can tell you it's plenty hard as it is. That's pretty much the dumbest thing I've ever heard. But then again, according to your flawless logic, I must be a dumb newbie who can only fly Rifters, which I fit with Civilian modules. Sorry but I don't see what Rifters and civilian modules have to do with anything. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.26 19:58:00 - [53] Originally by: Danton Marcellus Originally by: An Anarchyyt Originally by: Danton Marcellus Actually it makes you look bad, you can't seriously post this being a BoB member and expect it to be taken seriously. We on the other hand have always fended for ourselves and I can tell you it's plenty hard as it is. That's pretty much the dumbest thing I've ever heard. But then again, according to your flawless logic, I must be a dumb newbie who can only fly Rifters, which I fit with Civilian modules. Sorry but I don't see what Rifters and civilian modules have to do with anything. The fact that you're making incredibly stupid assumptions, followed by ridiculous statments on things you know nothing about. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.02.26 19:58:00 - [54] meta missions, sum of all the meta levels of each item on your ship. oh and you don't get any more bounty for high meta levels.
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.02.26 20:00:00 - [55] Originally by: An Anarchyyt Originally by: Danton Marcellus Originally by: An Anarchyyt Originally by: Danton Marcellus Actually it makes you look bad, you can't seriously post this being a BoB member and expect it to be taken seriously. We on the other hand have always fended for ourselves and I can tell you it's plenty hard as it is. That's pretty much the dumbest thing I've ever heard. But then again, according to your flawless logic, I must be a dumb newbie who can only fly Rifters, which I fit with Civilian modules. Sorry but I don't see what Rifters and civilian modules have to do with anything. The fact that you're making incredibly stupid assumptions, followed by ridiculous statments on things you know nothing about. What do you know about my knowledge of things, you're god now being a goon? Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.26 20:03:00 - [56] Boy are you a terrible troll. You're like wannabe Jenny Spitfire. And I didn't thinking it was possible to be worse than her. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.02.26 20:04:00 - [57] Originally by: An Anarchyyt Boy are you a terrible troll. You're like wannabe Jenny Spitfire. And I didn't thinking it was possible to be worse than her. Sonny you're the troll here, what have you added that's of any interest? Go back to COAD. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
Roxanna Kell FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.26 20:19:00 - [58] Edited by: Roxanna Kell on 26/02/2008 20:21:22 Originally by: Daelorn Originally by: Rawr Cristina Edited by: Rawr Cristina on 26/02/2008 16:30:19 Rox eats babies Oh you wanted an idea? Hm... Rollback to RMR No, RMR added POSs which ruined things. Rollback to Castor or earlier. lol, I am pretty sure it was Exodus, but when POS's first came out they didn't do as much as now, like build capitals since they didn't exist, Claim sovreignty, make t2 components, maybe they did. Regardless, people did not even attack POS's those days, at least not as much as when the Dreads got released in the Cold war patch. Originally by: Danton Marcellus stuff What idea is that exactly, Because i ignored what you said ages ago, Idiotic thread, remember. Quote: You are what you are, fool
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2008.02.26 20:23:00 - [59] Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 26/02/2008 20:24:27 Originally by: Danton Marcellus stuff What idea is that exactly, Because i ignored what you said ages ago, Idiotic thread, remember. Of course you did 'cause that would make life harder for you once joining Triumvirate. Quote: Make NPC standings deterioriate at a speed corresponding to your relative alliance size, if you're in a huge alliance your standings with NPC corporations goes to **** faster. You might even ultimatelly end up losing docking rights as NPC megacorporations put up embargos against you. Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav! Also Known As
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.26 20:25:00 - [60] Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 26/02/2008 20:25:53 My memory is a bit fuzzy now. If RMR introduced POSs, then where did T2 Components come from between Castor and RMR? Also, it's funny that Mr Stupid Empire Pubbie is still going on. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person

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