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Xonax Jyria Aku Soku Zan	Posted - 2008.02.27 14:17:00 - [1] I am not an alt, nor a fanboi. just an observer and I just observe from killboards, I haven't been to this war, nor know the locations that war occurs. Lately It seems there is something wrong within coalition. From a 3rd point of view, checking the overall killboards, lately: * there are not enough AAA participations? * there are not enough MC participations? * there are not enough RED participations? RED is **ed off after titan loss? Maybe they got promises of support when titan engaged but **ed that they didn't get that support from allies when titan was dying. I think if the cap fleets of just this 3 alliances combines, even BOB can't do anything about it. But it seems there is an internal problem of communication or something else maybe? Nevertheless, It seems BOB started to kill POSes and regain ground. Not long they will hit the one station that was lost in delve and retake it. If coalition decides to take some vacation, everything that's been done until this day will be obsolete and they will lose one chance to kill BOB. Thinking that BOB is dead would be the worst mistake on this war. BOB still has shipyards all over delve, they are replacing their capital losses and strengthen their fleet. Until it comes to point that they can't replace them, the war is far from over. and yes they can retake everything back. Just like RED did in the past, RAZOR did. etc. Do not underestimate their willpower and sacrifices. Afterall they sacrificed their real lifes to win in an internet game. I wonder how many of them divorced with their wifes or how many of them has girlfriend or how many of them weight 23424234 pounds because of sitting in front of computer all day. But this is not the issue here. to flamers: this is not the best poast ever, yes I know I fail etc. etc. etc. still it is an opinion.
ramptrick Caldari Art of War	Posted - 2008.02.27 14:20:00 - [2] good order.. well said!
Mozana x13	Posted - 2008.02.27 14:22:00 - [3] Edited by: Mozana on 27/02/2008 14:22:41 im in this thread, and its boring.
Nina Velori INIQUIT REPRISAL	Posted - 2008.02.27 14:23:00 - [4] I very much like your post and would like to subscribe to your newsletter and be informed as to when the next poast writing seminar is being conducted.
Zimi Vlasic F.R.E.E. Explorer Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2008.02.27 14:25:00 - [5] It's something that has plagued alliances since, well, forever. A complete lack of follow-through. ------------------ Find Roid, Examine, and Excavate Explorer
Empero Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.27 14:27:00 - [6] Edited by: Empero on 27/02/2008 14:27:10 BOB is about to disband for joining Hydra! Edit: typo ---------------
marakor Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers	Posted - 2008.02.27 14:28:00 - [7] Edited by: marakor on 27/02/2008 14:34:31 Most of the band wagoners who decided to join the coalition joined cos they were afraid of BOB kicking their ass and taking their space so they were willing to endure frozen screens and other crap for those very reasons. Now that BOB has been pushed back a lot of the coalition has realized that they are no longer under threat of losing their space and all they are doing is losing ships and watching a frozen screen so RAGOON can gain space and brag about it on CAOD. Lets face it RAGOON has already screwed over by stealing a titan and reset a lot of the drone area who helped take branch from BOB pets (i thought it was just BOB who screwed their allies). The good thing about this is that we may finaly see if goons can put their money where their very large and noisy mouths have been and manage to defeat BOB solo. Personaly i doubt it. HEY LISTEN for ruler of eve.
Siddy Minmatar Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.27 14:33:00 - [8] Originally by: Empero Edited by: Empero on 27/02/2008 14:27:18 BOB is about to disband for joining Hydra! Edit: typo im coming in hot! BTW, i think rsf thought that molle in thaioland will lower our eMorale or something...
crack hippy ForumPost'r'Us	Posted - 2008.02.27 14:34:00 - [9] AAA hasn't been involved since BOB and MC were removed from Catch. Unless things start going badly for the coalition, I can't see them joining in for a while either.
Ishamel 1 Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.02.27 14:35:00 - [10] Don't mind the trolls, your post isn't too bad. You do have a bit of a misconception about the coalition though. The various entitys within it all have their own agendas, most especially the 3 you mention (and don't forget -a- and mc can't stand each other). While the cap ship fleet you envision would be very impressive it would need a lot of support[i.e. bs] to a) combat the GBC support and b) take down the cyno-jammers. This is where goonswarm and other supposedly less formidable members of the coalition come in, but it is they who are turning up less (i will not speculate as to whether this is because their morale is broken, they are regrouping, or its all a ploy to get BoB out of cyno-jammed systems). Without high participation current game mechanics make taking a defended cyno-jammed system near impossible. Also the coalition is without doubt goonswarms baby, they are the driving force behind it. If they are not up for it the rest of the coallition isn't going to bother. (a coalition assault on nol without goons would never happen, something which can't be said of any other alliance)
KIATolon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.27 14:35:00 - [11] Originally by: marakor The good thing about this is that we may finaly see if goons can put their money where their very large and noisy mouths have been and manage to defeat BOB solo. No one said goons could defeat bob solo, in fact we have regularly said we couldn't. Nice try though.
TroNaaR Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.02.27 14:37:00 - [12] ITT: We hire Lenard J. Crabs to handle our divorces.
Brmble Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.27 14:38:00 - [13] Originally by: marakor Lets face it RAGOON has already screwed over by stealing a titan and reset a lot of the drone area who helped take branch from BOB pets bad fabricated lies are bad fabricated ~ no not believin in urself ~
marakor Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers	Posted - 2008.02.27 14:38:00 - [14] Originally by: KIATolon Originally by: marakor Most of the band wagoners who decided to join the coalition joined cos they were afraid of BOB kicking their ass and taking their space so they were willing to endure frozen screens and other crap for those very reasons. Now that BOB has been pushed back a lot of the coalition has realized that they are no longer under threat of losing their space and all they are doing is losing ships and watching a frozen screen so RAGOON can gain space and brag about it on CAOD. Lets face it RAGOON has already screwed over by stealing a titan and reset a lot of the drone area who helped take branch from BOB pets (i thought it was just BOB who screwed their allies). The good thing about this is that we may finaly see if goons can put their money where their very large and noisy mouths have been and manage to defeat BOB solo. Personaly i doubt it. No one said goons could defeat bob solo, in fact we have regularly said we couldn't. Nice try though. Yea thats right you never actualy make any claims apart from things you do not care about do you. Afraid of fail much?. HEY LISTEN for ruler of eve.
Rob Repper Asshats and Alcoholics	Posted - 2008.02.27 14:41:00 - [15] Originally by: Xonax Jyria ..or how many of them weight 23424234 pounds because of sitting in front of computer all day... pffft... That's why you do crunches and push-ups between module activations. Hioooo!
Papa Ina GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.27 14:43:00 - [16] Originally by: Rob Repper Originally by: Xonax Jyria ..or how many of them weight 23424234 pounds because of sitting in front of computer all day... pffft... That's why you do crunches and push-ups between module activations. Hioooo! I actually go out for a run between module activations.
Hymerus The Andromeda Directorate	Posted - 2008.02.27 14:52:00 - [17] Originally by: *** hippy AAA hasn't been involved since BOB and MC were removed from Catch. Unless things start going badly for the coalition, I can't see them joining in for a while either. I can see AAA re-entering this war very, very soon. Originally by:** Xonax Jyria and yes they can retake everything back. Just like RED did in the past, RAZOR did. etc. Do not underestimate their willpower and sacrifices. If the coalition's support continues to wane the way it has been, BoB won't be removed from its space. But it will never recover all that's been lost. If you continue to see three-shift coverage and pushes at BoB, they will lose their space. BoB had gotten artificially too large for the amount of space it could control. The POS mechanics before allowed you to spam as many towers as you wanted and could afford to take a system. With that system removed, you can't rely on wealth and logistics backed up with a single timezone F-off fleet. Eve's just a different game now because of the POS mechanics shift. You need at least two-shift presence to take and hold vast amounts of space and a higher density in that space to hold it against attack. Goons like to make a big deal of Titan changes, but they haven't really been that big a deal. Goon, RA, TCF, IAC, MC, Tri, etc., their space isn't being held by brilliant PvP prowess, it's being held because nobody's attacking them. There's nobody to attack them. The old mechanics made it to easy to take and hold space by spamming POSes. Now, the game is a bit too reliant on timezone coverage to be healthy. CCP needs to find a way for people across timezones to engage strategically. The Pacific TZ will always be the lowest population. So any force that can gather a significant number of Pacficers and North Americanos is going to have a base advantage that will trump things like economic superiority, skill concentration, or even overall numbers. But there just aren't enough Pacificers to go around. BoB is a relic of an old era in Eve where alliances could focus in a single timezone. There are other alliances that are primarily Euro that are going to get knocked over in due time.
Angor The JORG Corporation Terra Incognita.	Posted - 2008.02.27 15:01:00 - [18] Edited by: Angor on 27/02/2008 15:01:40 Goons should be left to take delve for themselves. I mean even with the FC quality difference between the 2 alliances they certianly have the numbers to do it either way if they pulled more mandatory ops. 5000 goons at ya front door isnt going to be stopped, hell you probably dont even need dreads with those numbers lol. _______________________________ [ 2007.06.07 21:07:22 ] FrankyWave > ransom me guys I am joining XElas !!!
Eskalin Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.27 15:02:00 - [19] I yell out "I'm coming in hot " then i have sex with my twin blond Asian supermodel kick boxing girlfriends. thats how i stay svelte between mod activations If babies weren't to be eaten they wouldn't be hibachi sized
Wendat Huron Stellar Solutions	Posted - 2008.02.27 15:03:00 - [20] What just happened to Evoke, tired of the fight taking a new turn and not being the freighttrain they anticipated? These forums are FUBAR, upgrade this decade!
Ponderous Thunderstroke Republic War Machine Industries	Posted - 2008.02.27 15:05:00 - [21] Edited by: Ponderous Thunderstroke on 27/02/2008 15:05:58 Originally by: Angor Edited by: Angor on 27/02/2008 15:01:40 Goons should be left to take delve for themselves. I mean even with the FC quality difference between the 2 alliances they certianly have the numbers to do it either way if they pulled more mandatory ops. 5000 goons at ya front door isnt going to be stopped, hell you probably dont even need dreads with those numbers lol. Too much at stake to do some kind of less-than-optimal offensive. The whole SoCo needs to shake off whatever sloth has been developing, and finish the job. A few weeks of full-court pressure on Delve and anyone will *****, even BoB. Then they can declare V-B Day and take a month off to chase beer and hookers. Edit: It's one moronic forum filter that gets c-r-a-c-K, but can't get the half a dozen racial slurs that still float around. -- "PT, you are a complete and total jerk." Yes. Yes I am.
marakor Gallente Anti Lag Forum Smackers	Posted - 2008.02.27 15:09:00 - [22] Edited by: marakor on 27/02/2008 15:13:41 Originally by: Ponderous Thunderstroke Originally by: Angor Goons should be left to take delve for themselves. I mean even with the FC quality difference between the 2 alliances they certianly have the numbers to do it either way if they pulled more mandatory ops. 5000 goons at ya front door isnt going to be stopped, hell you probably dont even need dreads with those numbers lol. Too much at stake to do some kind of less-than-optimal offensive. Too much at stake?. Like what pray tell i thought goons did not care about honor, respect, pride, skill or all that irrelevant in game stuff?. HEY LISTEN for ruler of eve.
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2008.02.27 15:12:00 - [23] PL will keep fighting as long as there is anything resembling a coalition.
Empero Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.27 15:15:00 - [24] Originally by: Shamis Orzoz PL will keep fighting as long as there is anything resembling a coalition. That's the spirit!! ---------------
KIATolon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.27 15:29:00 - [25] Originally by: marakor Yea thats right you never actualy make any claims apart from things you do not care about do you. Afraid of fail much?. Like when I claimed I would take NOL, then failed too, then admitted I had failed. Welp, looks like you made another mistake :)
Siddy Minmatar Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.27 15:51:00 - [26] Originally by: Empero Originally by: Shamis Orzoz PL will keep fighting as long as there is anything resembling a coalition. That's the spirit!! you mean, like the CODA* did? *a CODA, aka coalition of dead alliances, many of you havent played then so i just clear it out.
Empero Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.02.27 16:00:00 - [27] Originally by: Siddy Originally by: Empero Originally by: Shamis Orzoz PL will keep fighting as long as there is anything resembling a coalition. That's the spirit!! you mean, like the CODA* did? *a CODA, aka coalition of dead alliances, many of you havent played then so i just clear it out. Watch your language! ---------------
KIATolon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.02.27 16:03:00 - [28] Originally by: Siddy meow meow purr purr meow wth?!
Space Harrier Minmatar Roman Holiday	Posted - 2008.02.27 16:14:00 - [29] I think most of the coalition have seen how much it sucks to be working alongside Goon and have run out of desire. That's why BoB are regaining ground.
PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik Gallente MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.02.27 16:55:00 - [30] Edited by: PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik on 27/02/2008 16:55:45 Originally by: marakor Edited by: marakor on 27/02/2008 14:34:31 Lets face it RAGOON has already screwed over by stealing a titan and reset a lot of the drone area who helped take branch from BOB pets Such as? From what I saw of the Northern Reconquest it was Pure, Rzr, MM and SK that bore most of the fighting. Auxiliary detachments of Droners fought also, but from what I saw that was limited to MH, Ro3 (briefly- they were on the brink of civil war and pulled out fairly early) and Ka-tet, who stayed for exactly 7 weeks concentrating on taking out T1TS alliance and than mostly raiding Spartan territories in Dek. Iron was there at an organisational level but I dont remember seeing too many pilots in gang. Tbh it was Smashkill that really carried through the retaking of Branch when MM, rzr and Pure had been fought to a near standstill by COW and the other MC pets (not bob). Also dont underestimate Tri's influence on the outcome. Temporary NAPs and shifting standings were a nightmare for the diplos. Anyway, how you can say that Ragoon "betrayed" the drone region alliances is beyond me. Most of them were bloated with isk farmers and stuffing their wallets with high zydrine prices and were incapable of even defending their own regions, let alone actually conduct an external campaign. Peace WithinSo if the theory of relativity is true, shouldn't i arrive at my destination before i warped in the first place? Neon GhostYou do, but this is compensated for by lag

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