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Ged Satti
Azteca Transportation Unlimited
Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2008.03.05 01:51:00 -
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How about just give the thing a pair of extra high slots but make sure it only has enough CPU to fit one strip miner (maybe two, but the person would need perfect fitting skills, coprocessors, and a CPU implant) so you could fit one strip miner and two regular mining lasers? Would also help it be a better ninja miner since it could fit, say, a cloak or something else useful in those high slots. I haven't looked closely at the procurer since, like many, I skipped it so I don't know how viable this would be.
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Lyvanna Kitaen
Minmatar
Noonday Sun Corp
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Posted - 2008.03.05 03:26:00 -
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I like the ninja miner idea. What if you gave the ship the ability to mine cloaked? It would need a bit of balancing so it's not too powerful, but it would give people a reason to go into lo-sec and 0.0 in search of juicy roids.
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Lithalnas
Amarr
Headcrabs
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Posted - 2008.03.05 04:23:00 -
[33]
make it a gas cloud harvestor
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Feng Schui
Minmatar
Ghost Festival
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Posted - 2008.03.05 05:17:00 -
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Edited by: Feng Schui on 05/03/2008 05:17:07
Procurer:
3 high slots, 4 mid slots, 1 low slot, 75 m3 drone bay + bandwidth
Special Ability: 100% reduction in CPU use of the Covert Ops Cloaking device, and can be fit with Strip Miners and Ice Harvestors.
Mining Barge Skill Bonus: 3% bonus to mining yield per level.
Project:Gank
Pilgrim Guide
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Thenoran
Caldari
The People's Liberation Army
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Posted - 2008.03.05 09:42:00 -
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Limiting the non-basic ores to purely Strip Miners would make it very difficult for new miners in Bantams and Ospreys to make a profit, since the non-basic ores only make up so much of a belt (unless this is changed, but in a lot of belts I can find more of the 5% and 10% variety then the normal one).
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
Night's Dawn
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Posted - 2008.03.05 10:10:00 -
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Edited by: Cpt Branko on 05/03/2008 10:15:33
 Originally by: CCP Chronotis
Though I also think there is room equally for out of the box thinking with the barges. Like making the procurer or skiff a ninja miner of sorts so its function is not to simply sit there and mine, but mine in very hostile environments or circumstances.
This sounds like a interesting concept; quite possibly, if you reduced the mass (and/or increased agility) and gave the Procurer another lowslot, you could have a relatively agile barge, which would make it superior for ninja-mining.
Something like bringing the agility modifier to almost cruiser-level (which would make the Procurer handle very well, slightly inferior to the Stabber) would make it a extremely good ninja-miner, with giving it 500m3 more cargo space (so it's got 1500m3, still worse then the Retriever's 2000m3, but more suitable for ninja-mining).
Adding a high (which doesn't have the fittings for a strip miner) so people can fit a cloak (but, of course, not mine cloaked) would also make them better as ninja-miners.
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Andreask14
Alterum - Infinitus - Fabula
Dragons Of Oceans
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Posted - 2008.03.05 10:34:00 -
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Originally by: Feng Schui
Edited by: Feng Schui on 05/03/2008 05:17:07
Procurer:
3 high slots, 4 mid slots, 1 low slot, 75 m3 drone bay + bandwidth
Special Ability: 100% reduction in CPU use of the Covert Ops Cloaking device, and can be fit with Strip Miners and Ice Harvestors.
Mining Barge Skill Bonus: 3% bonus to mining yield per level.
When you put this in it also needs to fit the bomb launcher and load it with the "Roid Buster" bomb which has a 20km explosion radius wrecking Roids for 5000m¦ mining amount per shot.
*Boom* *Boom* *ba-Boom* *belt clear*
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Hadesfire
Caldari
Happy hOur Mining and industry
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.03.05 14:24:00 -
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I vote for making it a mining hauler barge. So you have the one strip miner, a mediocre tank, and a large cargo-hold. That makes it good for ninja-mining, or as non-racial hauler-support in a traditional mining op.
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Arn Novelus
Caldari
The Graduates
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.03.05 14:30:00 -
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The problem a number of people seem to be missing is that if we gave a bonus to cloaks on a mining ship ISK farmers worldwide would all have a massive party,...its hard enough finding the buggers in there cloaked ravens, imagine an entire army of cloaking isk farmers able to strip your entire system without ever being seen...
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Mona X
Caldari
Polish Task Forces
C0VEN
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Posted - 2008.03.05 14:58:00 -
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+1 hislot to every barge (and of course more CPU, PG and cargo). :P
Procures won't suck anymore, barges should be still balanced (and clearly better than battleships) and no one will complain about 'stacking nerf'.
Simple and elegant.
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Thenoran
Caldari
The People's Liberation Army
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Posted - 2008.03.05 15:21:00 -
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Originally by: Mona X
Edited by: Mona X on 05/03/2008 15:08:08
+1 hislot to every barge (and of course more CPU, PG, cap and cargo).
Procures won't suck anymore, barges should be still balanced (and clearly better than battleships) and no one will complain about 'stacking nerf'.
Simple and elegant.
Would make Mining even easier & boring then it is currently if you ask me.
Also, it would utterly kill the mineral prices.
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Typheonic
Gallente
Astrum Contract Services Group
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Posted - 2008.03.05 16:34:00 -
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You know what some of you are describing in the dream Procurer can already be achieved to some extent in a Skiff. With rigs it has almost 6000m3 of cargo space and can mount a reasonable tank for low-sec NPC's. By barge standards it is fast and has a relatively low align time and with mining upgrades it can out mine a well bonused mining frigate easily. Mining cruisers still can out pace its yield, but then again show me a mining cruiser that can hold more than 1 cycle from well bonused lasers in its hold. Oh and it can mine ice.
Admittedly the Skiff is expensive and still would benefit from additional agility for low-sec work. Might be interesting to tinker with though.
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.03.05 16:44:00 -
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I like the idea of a semi-fast, agile ninja-miner or a low-yield large cargo miner/hauler. Either would fill a niche.
I think the ninja-miner would be more useful and may entice more miners and Corps into lowsec. Give it cruiser agaility, slightly better mining rate and a touch more cargo hold. Increase the T2 version's stats base accordingly.
Originally by: Audri Fisher
On the other, the emo tears being cryed in this thread tell me that just because you shoot somebody for a living, does not mean you aren't a carebear
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Khandara Seraphim
StarHunt
Fallout Project
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Posted - 2008.03.05 17:00:00 -
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Give it the ability to mine while cloaked BUT make the mining lasers visible. This prevents it from being scanned out but any reasonable person looking in belts will be able to uncloak it in like 2 seconds if the cloaked pilot is afk mining.
or just give it 'sensor cloaking' so it can't be scanned as a default ability without needing to bring a cloaking device into it.... whatever makes more sense balancewise
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Agil TradeAlt
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Posted - 2008.03.05 17:34:00 -
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Ninja Mining is not really viable. Ninja ratting works because loot is not as space consuming as ore, and also that isk is instant.
Who is going to ninja mine in 0.0 where you got 20 jumps to a public station? And what if the public station is a pirate one like most public 0.0 stations are?
How about this. Give Procurer a 100% per level veld mining bonus. Veld is newbie ore, and procurer is newbie barge. At lvl2 it matches a retrever. At lvl3 it matches a covetor.
Hang on, is that far? Yes. Remember it is veld only. Read on
At lvl5, most barge pilots will use hulks or covetors. now in 0.0 nobody mines veld anyway. So how can you incentivise a retrever or covetor or barge 5 barge pilot to mine veld in 0.0?
Give him a specialist ship. The Procurer will mine 5 strip miners woth of veld vs the covetors 3, so procurers will become actually usefull in 0.0 and people with barge 5 will actually use them.
And Chribba will be happy.
Originally by: CCP kieron
ISK buying is a major contributor to the inflation in EVE's economy.
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demonfurbie
Minmatar
Blue Sun Trust Research
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Posted - 2008.03.05 17:37:00 -
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a veld and scord bonus would be nice seeing as veld and scord are in every space and are needed for just about everything. maybe also giving it 1 more mid wouldnt hurt.
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Jonas Vinthyn
Cassandra's Light
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Posted - 2008.03.05 19:30:00 -
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Originally by: Thenoran
Give the Procurer the same bonus plus a little (say 25%) on top of the Mining Barge bonus over the current cruiser bonuses (20%) so that it can beat them at mining.
Increase the gap between a Retriever and a Procurer and decrease the gap between a Retriever > Coveter < Exhumer by either removing Astrogeology V or Mining Barge V requirement from the Covetor.
This, especially the reduce one of the lvl 5's for a coveter.
-Jonas
My POS - POS Fitting and Fuel Calc
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
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Posted - 2008.03.05 19:38:00 -
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It might work being the 'blockade runner' of the mining ships.
Big ish cargo hold (e.g. 5k or so), high agility/speed, MWD capability, and inbuilt stabs.
Ninja mining makes things interesting :)
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ceyriot
Crimson Rebellion
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Posted - 2008.03.06 02:11:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Agil TradeAlt
Chribba will be happy.
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Morcam
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Posted - 2008.03.08 02:46:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Andreask14
Originally by: Feng Schui
Edited by: Feng Schui on 05/03/2008 05:17:07
Procurer:
3 high slots, 4 mid slots, 1 low slot, 75 m3 drone bay + bandwidth
Special Ability: 100% reduction in CPU use of the Covert Ops Cloaking device, and can be fit with Strip Miners and Ice Harvestors.
Mining Barge Skill Bonus: 3% bonus to mining yield per level.
When you put this in it also needs to fit the bomb launcher and load it with the "Roid Buster" bomb which has a 20km explosion radius wrecking Roids for 5000m¦ mining amount per shot.
*Boom* *Boom* *ba-Boom* *belt clear*
Unfortunately, I'm afraid you forgot the T2 version of the "Roid Buster," which not only clears every roid in the system and puts all the ore in jetcans around you, but also pops all the enemies in the system as well.
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Lithalnas
Amarr
Headcrabs
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Posted - 2008.03.08 04:23:00 -
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what about strip miner range, like 20% per lvl which would give it like 30ish range.
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cal nereus
Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2008.03.08 05:35:00 -
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One thing that would be pretty neat: If the Procurer gained a bonus to mining specific asteroid types (veldspar, scordite, and some other high-sec ore), but not to others. Retriever would have the overall advantage of course, but at least the Procurer isn't beaten in every department.
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Bogu D
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Posted - 2008.03.08 10:18:00 -
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Here's my idea to make the Procurer usefull again.
4 high , 1 mid and 2 low slots + 5m3 drone bay
boost cargo by 200-300 m3
Special ability:
- able to mount 1 strip miner/ice harvester
- able to mount 1 Mining Foreman Link
- able to mount 2 small tractor beams
- 100% bonus to range of small tractor beams
- 3% better yield per level
I know that a mining link and high sec can be an issue with regards to macro miners. Keep in mind though that a Procurer has frigate-sized HP's 
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