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Caleese	Posted - 2008.03.02 21:04:00 - [61] ohgod at first I just thought Broch Ensiive was an idiot, but now that calmdown's taken the other side I don't know what to think?!? It's like a battle of the shortbus kids ----------------- Think of someone you consider of average intelligence... now realise this. Half the worlds population is dumber than that person. How does the world survive such stupidity?
Broch Ensiive	Posted - 2008.03.03 05:21:00 - [62] Originally by: Caleese ohgod at first I just thought Broch Ensiive was an idiot, but now that calmdown's taken the other side I don't know what to think?!? It's like a battle of the shortbus kids LOL and i think your the only one on the short bus!
Lucinda Nomadwalker Minmatar Dark Sun Ascending Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.03.05 01:47:00 - [63] Broch isnt crazy, he knows his stuff. If you dont -pvp him and youll change your mind. Broch your my guru!
Hortoken Wolfbrother Amarr Free Lapland The Kadeshi	Posted - 2008.03.05 02:52:00 - [64] Originally by: Meerlix Well it is a pretty nice setup: 10x ruptures that's about 4550dps with hail and hml and then 50 ecm drones on top of that. With the ruptures doing 2km/s and 9000hp shield buffer this would be a fun match to watch indeed. My spies tell me that vagabond team wins easily. Most underrated team ever
Proxay Gallente Fallen Angel's Blade.	Posted - 2008.03.05 03:27:00 - [65] Originally by: Calmdown if you send me 500 mil, I'll explain how to improve your setups :P Buying a new ship in POTBS? I didn't know they accepted isk over there :o -- In regards to the armchair general here. Quote: HAHAHA... either you have no brains, no skills in math, or are just trying to scam for 500 mil! LOL either way the whole reason i posted the setup is so someone could TRY to prove me wrong. its good against a setup of stealth bombers too! The whole reason i made it, is because it can get in range quick while tanking to do it, is immune to nos teams, has 10 ships (which no team could perma jam) which all do great damage. Either way, nice try for the 500 mil LOL :-P Calmdown is one of the "Experts" on EVETV, he's the guy with the almost-shaven head who talks rather softly. And your minmatar 10x rupture setup is fine apart from the fact that ruptures have a terrible sensor strength. I'll take your 10 rupture team with 2x Basilisk, 2x Rook, [whatever] and slowly win. If you're going to remove a signature, at least make sure it's got something that breaks the EULA, k-ta.
Broch Ensiive	Posted - 2008.03.05 05:03:00 - [66] First off... I never said that those ruptures have the setup I would run in the tournament. I was merely trying to satisfy the rather large ego's which seem to have no backing to their pathetic claims of me being insane or stupid. 2nd, If I was wanting to sell the tournament setup, why would i post it in the forums just because a bunch of idiots post complaining about me? and finally (3rd), I would love to see 2 rooks and 2 basalisks permajam/kill 10 ruptures anyhow. As you can see, people who know me post and tell it like it is. They are able to do this because of the fact that they have flown with me. I'll offer anyone the challenge of hoping on teamspeak, or convo'ing me in game about setups and comparison, not only that, I will duel/find someone to duel anyone who wants to test my "theories" about fitting ships! I didn't come on the forums to check ego size and compare e-peen, I came on the forums to give a notion that I would love to fly in the alliance tournament. I am merely saying that THROUGH MATH & LOGIC I can fit a setup and explain why it would win against other setups! If you counter my setup, i will be very impressed; however, I will not post my tournament setup in this thread!!! Please convo me in game or post here if you would like me to compete on behalf of your team, FC for your team, OR merely setup the ships on your team. I am a 36 mil sp (bs and smaller) matar pilot who merely likes to compete for the experience of learning! Thank you to everyone who has posted on my behalf (and on my defense)... If you don't know me, then please don't sit here and try to judge me!! I will 1 v 1 anyone with the honor to do it anytime! Like I said... Even my enemies can vouch for me... If any doubts, please contact BYDI who is currently fighting 505 and (april) will vouch for me happily, seeing as how i dueled his FACTION sleipnir in my t2 sleipnir just to see how well i was fit! BAC of 86 proof and still making people look stupid :-P!
Nasta443	Posted - 2008.03.05 06:03:00 - [67] Originally by: turnschuh someone field 3xmaelstrom, couple of canes or ruptures allready tbh I WANT ARTY SEX You'll find it's rather limp.
Nasta443	Posted - 2008.03.05 06:07:00 - [68] Originally by: Broch Ensiive Rupture fit = 4x 425mm II (running barrage ofc) This enables the autos to hit from 18km with max skills! Look at the pretty barrage RAINBOW! Ponies! What kind of "out of the box" setup is this? Anyone who's been playing for 3 months could figure that one out.
Broch Ensiive	Posted - 2008.03.05 17:13:00 - [69] Originally by: Nasta443 Originally by: Broch Ensiive Rupture fit = 4x 425mm II (running barrage ofc) This enables the autos to hit from 18km with max skills! Look at the pretty barrage RAINBOW! Ponies! What kind of "out of the box" setup is this? Anyone who's been playing for 3 months could figure that one out. I'm going to guess that he meant my other setups and was not referencing directly to the rupture post :-P
Riyno	Posted - 2008.03.06 04:02:00 - [70] Broch is like the rain man of EVE. He knows your values of your ship without even seeing it while you fit it. He can tell how ypur dam mod is going to be, your resists, your powergrid ect. And he knows what to do if it doesnt fit in seconds. He's a math man all the way. If you don't know him you really wouldn't understand.

Ten Bulls	Posted - 2008.03.06 16:17:00 - [71] Originally by: Riyno Broch is like the rain man of EVE. What is the capacity of rain mans rainbow cannon ?
Mo Steel Caldari Sanguis vix Dignatio	Posted - 2008.03.06 16:27:00 - [72] Everyone knows the best setup is 10 Bantams. ----- Want a sig made? Eve-Mail me, signatures made for 5 million isk each.
Rialtor Amarr Yarrrateers Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2008.03.06 18:36:00 - [73] Originally by: Broch Ensiive Thanks... finally someone found a quick short post. Needless to say i didnt modify on it because that was specified to take out the "supposedly" undefeatable setup in the last tournament. Reguardless... anyone who thinks a thorax can take my rupture is mentally challenged. Thats just the way it is. The rupture is the most stacked ship in the game, with reguards to class. now since the question was brought up as to how is it better than thorax's, I suppose I can do some basic explaning :-D! Rupture fit = 4x 425mm II (running barrage ofc) This enables the autos to hit from 18km with max skills! 2x either HAML or HML (running EM missiles [I prefer HAML]) 10mn MWD II... that enables the rupture to go approx 2.5km/s 2x LSE II... which with the lows put you at about 9800 shield DC II thus you tank 2x gyro II (how would a thorax out damage it???) 2x PDS II run hammerhead II and 4x hobgoblin II Now why is that better than a thorax? 1) Your speed is good, plus you have very good agility and your cap is 100% endless so you can close on your targets quite easily 2) your range is significantly better than the range on a thorax 3) with reguards to tank, you have more dps than a thorax 4) nos/neut doesnt effect the ship at all 5) You effectively do rainbow damage (no easy way to tank against all 4 damage types) Those are the reasons for the rupture being better... guns take less pg and allow for more damage which is not dependant on cap... range tends to be very helpful too. Yes, I fly this exact setup, and im happy to take on anyone elses cruiser fitted, even faction cruisers! The setup has taken out BC's and id willingly put it up against any BC with exception to the way OP myrmi and the hurricane! An issue I see with the setup is that people are fielding abaddons more and more, and they'll cut through your low em/therm resists shields like butter. But the Rupture is a good cruiser to use in the tournament. Each race has an effect cruiser to field. The Arbitrator, Caracal, Rupture, and Thorax/Vexor are all good ships. 10 of any of them is a pretty good setup with the right fittings. ---- sig ---- Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world... Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.
Broch Ensiive	Posted - 2008.03.06 20:17:00 - [74] Quote: An issue I see with the setup is that people are fielding abaddons more and more, and they'll cut through your low em/therm resists shields like butter. But the Rupture is a good cruiser to use in the tournament. Each race has an effect cruiser to field. The Arbitrator, Caracal, Rupture, and Thorax/Vexor are all good ships. 10 of any of them is a pretty good setup with the right fittings. Thanks for at least showing some respect with your post! I would again like to emphasize that the setup i posted was merely to explain that I knew what I was doing and again feel the need to say that it is NOT the setup I would run in the tournament :-D! I realize abaddons are being used, the reason I posted is because I have created a setup that would work against any ships in the game! NO I will not post here my setup nor just tell someone in a private convo! LOL so please stop asking :-P
Proxay Gallente Fallen Angel's Blade.	Posted - 2008.03.07 00:32:00 - [75] Originally by: Broch Ensiive Quote: An issue I see with the setup is that people are fielding abaddons more and more, and they'll cut through your low em/therm resists shields like butter. But the Rupture is a good cruiser to use in the tournament. Each race has an effect cruiser to field. The Arbitrator, Caracal, Rupture, and Thorax/Vexor are all good ships. 10 of any of them is a pretty good setup with the right fittings. Thanks for at least showing some respect with your post! I would again like to emphasize that the setup i posted was merely to explain that I knew what I was doing and again feel the need to say that it is NOT the setup I would run in the tournament :-D! I realize abaddons are being used, the reason I posted is because I have created a setup that would work against any ships in the game! NO I will not post here my setup nor just tell someone in a private convo! LOL so please stop asking :-P You realise, no matter what you say, what setups you offer, no team would take your offer since teams would never leave their hopes for a win in the hands of someone they've only met over internet forums claiming he knows a lot. If you're going to remove a signature, at least make sure it's got something that breaks the EULA, k-ta.
Broch Ensiive	Posted - 2008.03.07 02:11:00 - [76] Yes... understood! Never said someone would take the offer... If you'll notice, I didn't even bother with a price! Still, I merely was "presenting" an opportunity. I don't look at eve as anything but a challenge. All i want is to challenge myself and test myself. Thus why I would love to fly in the tournament. It's an accomplishment and a challenge.
Sciana Lillian	Posted - 2008.03.11 19:45:00 - [77] Well I guess that the tournament resolves this dispute :-D... Good call on the ruptures!
CrimsonLobo Caldari	Posted - 2008.03.11 20:33:00 - [78] Really interesting thread tbh, if i had the ISK and the time and the heart to put into this. I would actually hire the guy to see if his setups where any good? Whats the worse that could happen? you could lose some ISK, i mean he couldnt charge THAT much if he wants to fly in the tourny as well. And you might lose a match in the tourny, which isnt the end of the world. There is always one next year. And he does seem to have some backing up, and he has offered some sort of trail of his set up knowledge. IE 1 v 1ing someone in a Brutix with his Rupture. Best that could happen, he really does have an unbeatable setup and you WTFPWN anything in the tournement. One issue i do have is that, there cannot be an UNBEATABLE setup. If someone spent the time and knew your setup I am sure a counter to it could be found. I however happily excpet that I am a noob when it comes to fits and the like, so i could be chatting a load of BS for all i know =P.
Broch Ensiive	Posted - 2008.03.11 20:41:00 - [79] CrimsonLobo Thanks for you post. The reason I even bothered to post is because I am the person that everyone who knows comes to for setups... Soon as anyone in my corp or any of my friends buy a ship the first thing I hear is "hey bro i need a setup". I enjoy the tournament and love testing myself. As far as the countering to my setup goes; when i "coined" the phrase "unbeatable setup" I didn't mean that nothing in eve could take it down. I simply meant that it is strong enough that with the correct FC and decisive action, it has the greatest mathematical probability to win the tournament. Certainly I could as well design a counter fleet to my setup I had designed to sell, but it wouldn't be useful against every other setup most everyone fielded during the tournament :-D The point of my thread was not to make isk!!!!! It was only to show that The setup of my choice, involving minmatar ships, could win the tournament hands down :-D.... I was not going for some huge profit
CrimsonLobo Caldari	Posted - 2008.03.11 21:07:00 - [80] Not being funny, but why not just create your own alliance? or apply to join one? I mean you could easily prove your worth and it could see you entered into a tourny team pronto. Providing that what you say you can do is true. Just my 2 ISK.

Broch Ensiive	Posted - 2008.03.11 21:16:00 - [81] I have been in alliances! I am more known as the "wolverine" in the corp/alliance... I prefer to do my own thing! The main reason I haven't bothered starting a corp/alliance is I HATE POLITICS... lol my idea of politics are: "if you don't like it... shoot it" but I don't have the time to bother with all those little nuisances, I just like to get on, play and have fun! One day, i'll probably join and FC a fleet in the tournament.... who knows! As far as my worth goes... well just check my corp/alliance history and talk to anyone in there... There ain't one who wouldnt vouch for my worth!
Rialtor Amarr Yarrrateers Knights Of Syndicate	Posted - 2008.03.11 21:30:00 - [82] Why don't you post your setup now? By the time the next tournament has come the game would have gone through enough iterations that your setup is probably less than useful anyway. ---- sig ---- Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world... Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.
Broch Ensiive	Posted - 2008.03.11 22:16:00 - [83] indeed, you could be correct and things may change! But rather than deal with 100 e-peens arguing "statistical math" with me, I would prefer to hold the setup until next tournament. Assuming its a point based 100 point 10 pilot rule, my setup will still stand ready. :-D Not to mention id rather not bring people into my method of thinking toward fitting structures in the tournament if u get what im saying! Cause I do (as others posted) tend to be out of the box with a lot of things. Either way, who knows, I may find loyalty to an alliance in the tournament that fields me or my setup guess we shall see.


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