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Vikarion
Caldari
United Heavens
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Posted - 2008.03.01 06:30:00 -
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After this recent shut-down, I was thinking about EvE, and how it differs from MMOs I've played. You know, more shut-downs, more little problems, etc.
And then I started thinking about the player base and the people who run this game. For all the little inconveniences I encounter in this game, I've come to believe that they are all worth it.
I'm a long-time gamer, and I played 3 other MMOs before I came over to EvE. In none of these games - as polished as they might be - was the community anywhere near the level of good humor and wit as that of EvE...and developer/GM support was far less personal or well-intentioned.
Granted, the forums are often full of trolls, whines, and in-game chat full of smack-talkers. But for every person who shoots off his mouth of fingers, there are about ten who have a bit of perspective.
And, yes, I know the GMs are often busy and don't get around to blocking every ISK seller out there. But they do a pretty darn good job, even with 200K subscribers who think that the petition button has to be used frequently lest it gum up and not work when you really need it. (Guilty here  )
Yet every petition I've filed has been answered politely and quickly, and when I've requested more details, I was responded to with professionalisms and politeness.
But what I find even more amazing is the immense amount of developer feed-back and community involvement constantly displayed by CCP employees. Consider the recent issues with the "graveyard" and secure can clean-up. CCPPrismX didn't state "my way or the highway", or ignore the issue, he clearly listed why he couldn't make it a partial fix and offered to mitigate the problem any way he ethically could.
I have no intention of giving CCPWrangler a hug, but I really enjoy this game, not only because of the gameplay, but also because of the devs, GMs, and (most of) the players.
That's more than worth a few inconveniences. 
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Benilopax
Gallente
Pulsar Combat Supplies
Alternative Realities
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Posted - 2008.03.01 06:34:00 -
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I'll second that motion, but I'm still watching you CCP.
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Wrayeth
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.03.01 06:42:00 -
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Thirded. CCP don't get enough credit. The game may not be moving in a direction I truly appreciate at the moment, but that's more a matter of personal preference (and, for all I know, the game may be about to take a turn in a direction I like).
-Wrayeth
n00b Extraordinaire
"Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!" |
Heimdal Mid
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Posted - 2008.03.01 06:48:00 -
[4]
Can I have your...oh wait.
Sincere appreciation, in my eve? no way
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Vikarion
Caldari
United Heavens
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Posted - 2008.03.01 06:55:00 -
[5]
Well, I try to have a little perspective sometimes.
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Vazkar Asquinol
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Posted - 2008.03.01 07:11:00 -
[6]
/agree
/cheers
need a smiley with a pint!
Who is John Galt? |
Bob Random
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Posted - 2008.03.01 07:16:00 -
[7]
I concur
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Zeba
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.03.01 07:20:00 -
[8]
 Originally by: Vazkar Asquinol
need a smiley with a pint!
This one should represent the forums fairly well.
Originally by: MM0RPG EVE Review
"if you aren't my friend you are my income."
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Sephra Star
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Posted - 2008.03.01 07:20:00 -
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I do like the fact that CCP is not ASIAN based.
Not that I did'nt thouroughly enjoy the last MMO I played that was, but after reading the OP's opening post I can't find a single thing I could not agree with.
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Vikarion
Caldari
United Heavens
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Posted - 2008.03.01 07:55:00 -
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Edited by: Vikarion on 01/03/2008 07:55:59
Originally by: Sephra Star
I do like the fact that CCP is not ASIAN based.
Not that I did'nt thouroughly enjoy the last MMO I played that was, but after reading the OP's opening post I can't find a single thing I could not agree with.
Asian based? Would that be Blizzard? Or FFXI? I don't really know where game companies keep their servers. Except for CCP.
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Tewdric
Sheba Industries
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.03.01 09:01:00 -
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It's nice to have a Postive person who comes along once in a while and gives credit where credit is due, i Second the Op's Post.
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Vala Novak
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Posted - 2008.03.01 09:05:00 -
[12]
Damn straight. CCP ftw, and keep up the great work.
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Vikarion
Caldari
United Heavens
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Posted - 2008.03.01 09:21:00 -
[13]
How do you get the little beer smilies?
Mmmmm...beer. 
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Gone'Postal
Minmatar
Vengeance 8 Interceptors
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Posted - 2008.03.01 09:28:00 -
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To The guys in charge of the server.. I'll buy you a beer anytime !
To the guys in charge of the "game".. Speak to the guys in charge of the server more, it has limits.
CCP: Were like a clock upon a wall, Always moving but never going anywhere.
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Spenz
Gallente
Dark Knights of Deneb
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.03.01 09:33:00 -
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To everyone at CCP, whatever your job, I thank you for bringing the experience that is EVE to us all.
I may whine when something does not go my way, but I'm still paying, and I'm still playing, and I will defend eve from any outsider who has a sour opinion of your game.
If I had an Alt I would probably post with it... |
Ovno ConSyquence
Amarr
Free Mercenaries Union
Red Republic
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Posted - 2008.03.01 09:39:00 -
[16]
/signed
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Solomunio Kzenig
Amarr
Ordo Ministorum
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Posted - 2008.03.01 11:25:00 -
[17]
Signed,
Simple fact is before I played EVE I played loads of other PC games and never played any MMO's. Now I only play EVE (have'nt bought another PC game since starting my sub in Dec 06) and I love the MMO concept, single player games just don't interest me anymore.
And to CCP, you are doing a great job, the sheer depth and complexity of this game is amazing and I'm sure will keep the playerbase absorbed and entertained for years to come.
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Spoon Thumb
Caldari
Paladin Imperium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.01 11:54:00 -
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Eve is good but still had many imperfections, some of which it will never get rid of. Think it is safe to say it is the best MMO for me of the ones currently out there for the time being
Khaldari
khanidpublic: RP channel for Kingdom loyalists
Recruiting |
The Herrick
Gallente
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.03.01 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Vikarion
I have no intention of giving CCPWrangler a hug
Why not? He's all big and huggable too.
Originally by: Tania Russ
Those of us who actually build stuff and accomplish something worthwhile in Eve, as opposed to pirates, who basically don't accomplish anything but stealing other people's stuff. |
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CCP Navigator
C C P
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Posted - 2008.03.01 12:50:00 -
[20]
What an absolute treasure of a thread to find today
Working on behalf of all you guys is a total pleasure and we will always continue to strive towards meeting and exceeding your expectations.
Thank you all again for your lovely words <3
Navigator, Community Representative
EVE Online, CCP Games
Email/Netfang |
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
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Posted - 2008.03.01 13:12:00 -
[21]
It's true.
Forums tend to be rather skewed, because people don't tend to post when it's 'all ok' - too busy playing I guess :).
So it can often seem like everyone's moaning.
When it's not true. I've been here for ... ooh about 3 years now, and I still enjoy the game enough to run 3 accounts.
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Crane needs more grid
249km locking? |
PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik
Gallente
MASS
Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service
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Posted - 2008.03.01 14:21:00 -
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Originally by: James Lyrus
It's true.
Forums tend to be rather skewed, because people don't tend to post when it's 'all ok' - too busy playing I guess :).
So it can often seem like everyone's moaning.
When it's not true. I've been here for ... ooh about 3 years now, and I still enjoy the game enough to run 3 accounts.
Yep despite the downsides, eve still is a very immersive experience and Im still here and as addicted as ever. Just please ccp, dont loose sight of your original vision of a harsh world and harsh, unforgiving game mechanics. Dont fold to the endless whines in the hope you might increase your playerbase. Chances are you will loose all your current hardcore subbies who relish in the uniqueness of eves environment.
Peace WithinSo if the theory of relativity is true, shouldn't i arrive at my destination before i warped in the first place?
Neon GhostYou do, but this is compensated for by lag |
Firkragg
PREDATORS OF DESTRUCTION
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Posted - 2008.03.01 14:37:00 -
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To be honest i dont think that eve has more downtime than other MMOs. In other MMOs though the shutdown will only affect one server so only a subset of the players are affected. Since in eve all the server work together to run on instance if a server goes down it affects all players hence the whining. I think this is a small price to pay though for the awesomness that is one universe.
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Reiker Struvian
Caldari
Phoenix Aeronautics
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Posted - 2008.03.01 14:38:00 -
[24]
This community are like all the others, including WoW, including L2, including EQ2, including whatever mmo you want. They're made of people. The devs are people. They're not magical developers.
Could have said thanks to the devs without subtly including the elitist rhetoric.
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Grey Nord
Caldari
Nanotech Construction Yards
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Posted - 2008.03.01 14:53:00 -
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I don't post a lot in the forums, though I read them a lot.
Well, this post sure deserves a reply.
I started out with EvE back in 2003. But quit it after half a year for other MMOs. I had a couple of eve-breaks in the meantime, but what is more important to me, that I always came back.
Shows me what a damn fine game this is. No other game in played has that much immersion and depth 
At the moment I really enjoy it again and I don't see an end to this.
Thanks for the decent game and please keep up the good work, CCP. *thumbs up*
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Malcanis
R.E.C.O.N.
Black-Out
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Posted - 2008.03.01 15:57:00 -
[26]
Originally by: Solomunio Kzenig
Signed,
Simple fact is before I played EVE I played loads of other PC games and never played any MMO's. Now I only play EVE (have'nt bought another PC game since starting my sub in Dec 06) and I love the MMO concept, single player games just don't interest me anymore.
And to CCP, you are doing a great job, the sheer depth and complexity of this game is amazing and I'm sure will keep the playerbase absorbed and entertained for years to come.
My thoughts exactly.
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
Veryez
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Posted - 2008.03.01 16:27:00 -
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I will sign this and add my own experiences. Every time I've submitted a petition and or one of my friends has, it has been answered professionally and honestly. GM's have always tried to help me when I had questions and or problems, and every single time I've said thank you, I've gotten a 'you're welcome' back. <3
We get passionate and heatedly debate changes on the forums, because CCP has created a game for us to get passionate about. And to the guys that oversee the servers, thank you so much, I swear you guys never sleep. Anytime of day, any day of the year, the response to any server problem is almost immediate. Thanks
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Deadly Addiction
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.03.01 16:30:00 -
[28]
Is it time for the monthly circlejerk thread already?
Since this is discussing moderation shouldn't it be locked?
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William Darkk
Gallente
Garoun Investment Bank
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Posted - 2008.03.01 16:34:00 -
[29]
If I try to thank CCP, the client crashes to desktop. Maybe in 1.1 this bug will be fixed and I can thank CCP.
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zacuis
Great Big Research
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Posted - 2008.03.01 17:54:00 -
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beliopax your isd so at least u get to watch them closer than we do. thought u deleted that account anyway oh well.
signed
ive played for about 3 and a half years now. im not as exited by it as i once was but i still log in most nights. i have to admit i usually only post when i have something to whine about but in general this is a great game.
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Vikarion
Caldari
United Heavens
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Posted - 2008.03.01 19:31:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Navigator
What an absolute treasure of a thread to find today
Working on behalf of all you guys is a total pleasure and we will always continue to strive towards meeting and exceeding your expectations.
Thank you all again for your lovely words <3
Aw man, now I feel all fuzzy
Or maybe that's because I just woke up. Anyway, yes, many (most) of us do really appreciate the work you do.
Even if I'm an idiot at times, such as when I got stuck in Jita, asked to be moved to Perimeter, then jumped right back into Jita.
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Vikarion
Caldari
United Heavens
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Posted - 2008.03.04 23:46:00 -
[32]
No one else has anything nice to say?
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Terex193
Amarr
Advanced Security And Asset Protection
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Posted - 2008.03.05 00:51:00 -
[33]
/Signed
Great post, first post i've seen saying the gms do a good job :) they do... ive just been to scared to say it 
Keep up the good work ccp
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Lirt
Ceratias Holboelli
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Posted - 2008.03.05 01:15:00 -
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CCP you answer when they say you are good but you never answered on my posts about balance issues, never.
Back on topic now, no i dont think gms do there job nor do i think that dev team does its job very good (look balance issues), do they try? yes they try, but they get paid for that job so they need to try more and more as we all try our best and beyond on our real life jobs. I can say some examples but nevermind.
The only team in CCP i have respect is the forum moderators, that have to read all that crap (yes including mine), read every post and see if it needs moderation, and also pass 'the juice' to the upper tier people that drink their coffes on the top floor. Only those guys deserve respect, cause reading pages and pages and some more pages full of crap is very hard especially in front of a computer screen.
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Havok Dryke
Golden Gavel Enterprises
The Cooperative
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Posted - 2008.03.05 01:32:00 -
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I'll add props of my own here. The GMs really do care about what happens to EVE, and the forums are well policed by moderators. Most of the time, changes to mechanics are dealt out reasonably, not in accordance with whine threads. The petitions are always answered politely and timely, even if they all result in the same answer (Logs show nothing...). All in all, I enjoy the world CCP has created immensely, and plug it to customers whenever I can (I work in the gaming retail business). So take 5 minutes off from work, scroll through this thread, and feel pride at what you have accomplished.
-Havok Dryke
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Lirt
Ceratias Holboelli
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Posted - 2008.03.05 01:37:00 -
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Your post Havoc as well as other similar posts do exactly the opposite. Company thinks they do well and they stop improve. So ok if you all find everything perfect ok.
Congratulations CCP you are PERFECT.
Can we get some tips so we can be perfect in our jobs as well?
Maybe make a topic with title "Copy CCP Perfection 101"
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"Assumption is the Mother of Screw-Up"
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Zeba
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.03.05 01:40:00 -
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Originally by: Lirt
Your post Havoc as well as other similar posts do exactly the opposite. Company thinks they do well and they stop improve. So ok if you all find everything perfect ok.
Congratulations CCP you are PERFECT.
Can we get some tips so we can be perfect in our jobs as well?
Maybe make a topic with title "Copy CCP Perfection 101"
Wow. That kinetic bonus for Caldari really smoked your kipper eh?
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Lirt
Ceratias Holboelli
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Posted - 2008.03.05 01:42:00 -
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Zeba i consider this personal attacks, if it continues im reporting your posts.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.03.05 01:46:00 -
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Are you threating me?
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Lirt
Ceratias Holboelli
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Posted - 2008.03.05 01:49:00 -
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Its not a threat anymore. Sry op for 'hijacking' your topic.
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"Assumption is the Mother of Screw-Up"
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Zeba
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.03.05 01:53:00 -
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Well thank you for not threatening me Lirt.
Btw. GG CCP!
I might not be able to enjoy fleet fights or trading in Jita but FFS the rest of the game is pretty darn fun and lag free!
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Lirt
Ceratias Holboelli
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Posted - 2008.03.05 01:56:00 -
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Quote:
Well thank you for not threatening me Lirt.
Its not a threat because it has already been done, rofl...
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Zeba
Minmatar
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.03.05 02:03:00 -
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Oh you reported my post? rofl...
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Vikarion
Caldari
United Heavens
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Posted - 2008.03.05 02:29:00 -
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Heh, zeba, don't worry about the trolls.
Yeah, I don't enjoy some things about Eve, like the lag in Jita or Motsu or Umokka or...but then I also have to think about all the times it ISN'T lagging, and all the fun I have had with this game. So, that's one reason I wrote the post.
Also, I think that, as a game company, CCP is quite accomplished at running an MMO, and I believe that, overall, they've performed better than any other MMO out there when it comes to truly caring about their players.
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CCP WeatherMan
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Posted - 2008.03.05 02:41:00 -
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Oh,this is blatant flirting! yet,I can live with that.
Seriously, thank you all for those nice words, we are always trying to do our best to make EVE better with all the players and we will try harder!
WeatherMan
Community Representative
EVE Online, CCP Games
Email/Netfang |
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Gark32
X Bane X
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Posted - 2008.03.05 06:04:00 -
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Originally by: Lirt
Your post Havoc as well as other similar posts do exactly the opposite. Company thinks they do well and they stop improve. So ok if you all find everything perfect ok.
Congratulations CCP you are PERFECT.
Can we get some tips so we can be perfect in our jobs as well?
Maybe make a topic with title "Copy CCP Perfection 101"
couple points here.
1. and i quote this directly from the WoW boards, cause it fits so well. . .
ENGLISH MOTHER******! DO YA SPEAK IT?
2. Someone get this guy a Vag de-sandificator, stat! i've read half a dozen posts of yours, and they're all qq qq qq. if you don't like it, find another game. i recommend WoW, you'll fit right in.
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Xykanth Roldeir
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Posted - 2008.03.05 07:24:00 -
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I've been following EVE for well over a year now and playing on and off. Sure there are things that annoy me, and sure there are plenty of things I would like to see changed.
CCP in my opinion is doing a fantastic job, and has made incredible improvements in both quality and customer service. Decisions to changes in game play while maybe not popular I believe to have been fair and well thought out. Many changes that were particularly unpopular at the time the change was made have turned out very well.
The interactivity of the devs and the comunity is also wonderful.
Seeing how this company works and what it has done and where it's going really makes me wish I could work with CCP. Maybe one day I will.
Good job guys, and I'm anxiously awaiting to see what's comming out next.
Hopefully soon we can get more news about World of Darkness. 
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techzer0
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.03.05 07:28:00 -
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Originally by: CCP WeatherMan
Oh,this is blatant flirting!
No wai!
OP is really trolling and we still hate CCP even though we play every day. Hope I brightened your day
/me buggers off to start a whine thread about CCP
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Originally by: CCP Mitnal
It's great being a puppetmaster
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Phoenicia
Black Sea Industries
Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.03.05 07:33:00 -
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I've played them all; WoW, EQII, CoX, FFXI, AO, D&DO, L2, SWG, Neocron, LOTRO, Eve.
The only two I stuck with are City of Heroes (3 years), and Eve Online (almost 4).
CCP, you have made the source code for awesome, and I too thank you for this great, great game*
(* = I may leave you for a short affair with Age of Conan come May, but I expect to be back around July, August at the latest)
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Vikarion
Caldari
United Heavens
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Posted - 2008.03.05 07:34:00 -
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Hey!
I don't troll.
Ok, maybe that one time. But that was it.
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2008.03.05 07:35:00 -
[51]
I made a "thanks you ccp"-topic and got this forum warning and topic deletion 
"The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of gold"
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techzer0
IDLE GUNS
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Posted - 2008.03.05 08:14:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Vikarion
Hey!
I don't troll.
Ok, maybe that one time. But that was it.
Heheh, I had to do it. Thread was lacking in trollage
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It's great being a puppetmaster
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Deadly Addiction
Un-Natural Selection
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Posted - 2008.03.05 08:26:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Kuolematon
I made a "thanks you ccp"-topic and got this forum warning and topic deletion
This thread is in violation of rule 10
#10 Warnings and bans are not to be discussed on the forum.
Such matters shall remain private between the CCP and the user. Questions or comments concerning warnings and bans will be conveyed through e-mail or private messaging. Likewise, discussions regarding moderator actions are not permitted on the forum. If you have questions regarding a post or thread, please contact [email protected].
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Naqam
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Posted - 2008.03.05 08:49:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Tewdric
It's nice to have a Postive person who comes along once in a while and gives credit where credit is due, i Second the Op's Post.
agreed. still many things CCP have done that I don't agree with but on the whole IMO they've done a great job.
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skuko
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.03.05 10:04:00 -
[55]
Edited by: skuko on 05/03/2008 10:06:30
Edited by: skuko on 05/03/2008 10:05:20
my story:
i have been following eve online since 2004, tried to play a couple of times, but always gave it up after a month. nevertheless, i read and still read the forums daily, so one can say i've been here all the time. all this time i've played wow (covers in fear), not because of the game anymore, but because of the people, because of my friends playing it. however, for some reason, i kept returning to eve, as if it had a siren voice calling me back all the time.
last august, i created this "wannabe r i d d i c k" caldari and i persevered and kept playing eve, despite the eventual boredom from running missions. and now, after half a year with my essential fitting and learning skills done, i'm having a BLAST! see, i'm not the "instant gratification" type of guy, but it took me about 3 years to fully understand and appreciate this in eve.
i want to thank CCP from the bottom of my heart for this SPECTACULAR game.
AND i want to thank all of you for NOT being a WoW-like community
edit: hehe, some words just don't make it trough the filter
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2008.03.05 10:09:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Marcus TheMartin
This thread is in violation of rule 10
Oh, freck you too! Sip on my fat chocolate pulse lasers!
"The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of gold"
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Vladimir Ilych
Gradient
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.03.05 10:38:00 -
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/signed
Eve is a great game that returned the joys of Elite to me as an adult.
Sure their are issues and problems but the good stuff out numbers the bad about 98% to 2% imho.
Good OP and keep up the hard work CCP.
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ArchenTheGreat
Caldari
D00M.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.03.05 10:48:00 -
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Originally by: Vikarion
Yet every petition I've filed has been answered politely and quickly, and when I've requested more details, I was responded to with professionalisms and politeness.
I agree here. I remember multi-week petition queues and it works very well now. Bug reporting is great too. I am pleased with game balance in sub-capital ships. Graphics looks awasome and EVE Voice is very good idea too.
Unfortunately there is HUGE problem with lag in large battles or medium large battles involving fighters/capitals. Thanks to current game mechanics such fights are required if you want to hold space so you can't really avoid them. Server performance is horrible. Yesterday 300+ people crashed a node. I remember our fights in the last year, we were crashing nodes with 600+ people and 300+ fights were laggy but playable. This NFS project is one great disaster.
So thanks for CCP for a great game but there will be no hug until you fix lag.
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Yon89
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Posted - 2008.03.05 11:32:00 -
[59]
/me buys CCP Cake
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StainLessStealRat
Caldari
Firman AB
101010 Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.05 11:50:00 -
[60]
sighned and sighned again .
Locked. Please do not talk about Devs taking a giant dump down people's throats. |
Vikarion
Caldari
United Heavens
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Posted - 2008.03.05 15:51:00 -
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Far the whiners in this thread, I'd note that there are about fifty other threads to post your unique variety of merlot in. Please post it there, not here.
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Havok Dryke
Golden Gavel Enterprises
The Cooperative
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Posted - 2008.03.06 05:49:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Lirt
Your post Havoc as well as other similar posts do exactly the opposite. Company thinks they do well and they stop improve. So ok if you all find everything perfect ok.
Congratulations CCP you are PERFECT.
Can we get some tips so we can be perfect in our jobs as well?
Maybe make a topic with title "Copy CCP Perfection 101"
1. The GMs/Devs already get 5362 posts a day about how they're horrible. This is the one thread that respects what good they do for the community, and I think it's long overdue. I still have issues with some of the nerfs/balances that they do, but thats for another thread. Let them have 5 min of respect before going back to the whine/nerf threads, they've earned it.
2. Why must everyone spell my name with a c... it's spelt with a K dammit 
3. Bump
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