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Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.03.02 07:18:00 - [1] Originally by: Mr QUE Originally by: UGWidowmaker exhumers got nothing to do in empire. respect to goon for this campaign, keep it going... I see ICE prices going up :) got to love it nice work Goons lol Pfffft. not enough to dip into my reserves. FFS GOONS GET WITH TEH PROGRAM! Originally by: MM0RPG EVE Review "if you aren't my friend you are my income."
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.03.02 07:35:00 - [2] Originally by: Vasile Ion ..Sweet Carebear Tears.. Whilst I myself have no particular love or hate of teh Goonies I will say this: Its about fekin time empire had some risk. Originally by: MM0RPG EVE Review "if you aren't my friend you are my income."
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.03.02 07:46:00 - [3] Edited by: Zeba on 02/03/2008 07:46:57 Originally by: Quelque Chose Hell, those ships are probably either minimally tanked or not tanked at all since they're just going to get blowed up real good anyway. hehe. Its the hulks that need to think about tanking. One of the killmails poasted had a hulk with a small booster I and em hardner I as its tank with the other two mids empty. Yes indeed they deserved it. Originally by: MM0RPG EVE Review "if you aren't my friend you are my income."
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.03.02 07:54:00 - [4] Originally by: Quelque Chose Originally by: Zeba Edited by: Zeba on 02/03/2008 07:46:57 Originally by: Quelque Chose Hell, those ships are probably either minimally tanked or not tanked at all since they're just going to get blowed up real good anyway. hehe. Its the hulks that need to think about tanking. One of the killmails poasted had a hulk with a small booster I and em hardner I as its tank with the other two mids empty. Yes indeed they deserved it. I'll have two of whatever it is you're drinking tonight. mmmm. a fine single malt whiskey localy made and bottled. But.. My point still stands. If even a fraction of the victims had invested in tanking skills then the goonies would be having a far worse time of it than they are now. Trust I did my own share of scanning barges to see if suisiding would be an effective way to drive up ice and mineral prices. Originally by: MM0RPG EVE Review "if you aren't my friend you are my income."
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.03.02 08:11:00 - [5] Edited by: Zeba on 02/03/2008 08:15:08 Originally by: Quelque Chose Originally by: Zeba mmmm. a fine single malt whiskey localy made and bottled. But.. My point still stands. If even a fraction of the victims had invested in tanking skills then the goonies would be having a far worse time of it than they are now. Trust I did my own share of scanning barges to see if suisiding would be an effective way to drive up ice and mineral prices. Forget it. Ironically, they're a wealthy and decadent imperialist superpower; an extra BS per gank is no object to them. No, if you really want to put the hurt on a great Trollop Of Babylon 5 like that, you've got to draw them into a lengthy guerrilla war and bleed them white. Won't happen as all the empire miners I've ever met are all soloish players. I tried for 2 years strait to organise a mutual defense system againt this inevitable outcome but eveyone was like: luz we are in empire wit concord protection lulz no need to have a plan lulz.. f1 f2 f3 mine away. YOU SHOULD HAVE LISTENED TO ME YOU ANAL RETENTIVE NUBS AND NOW YOUR IN HIDING AND MAKING ZERO ISK. Originally by: MM0RPG EVE Review "if you aren't my friend you are my income."
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.03.02 08:47:00 - [6] Originally by: Berrik Radhok Edited by: Berrik Radhok on 02/03/2008 08:28:52 Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Mr QUE Originally by: UGWidowmaker exhumers got nothing to do in empire. respect to goon for this campaign, keep it going... I see ICE prices going up :) got to love it nice work Goons lol Pfffft. not enough to dip into my reserves. FFS GOONS GET WITH TEH PROGRAM! We're not blowing up the people mining the ice we use, silly. Ya think? I want you to blow up the people mining ice that everyone else uses. Originally by: MM0RPG EVE Review "if you aren't my friend you are my income."
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.03.02 09:20:00 - [7] Originally by: Silam Ryder Originally by: Zeba Alot of crap Hmmm you speak of mining in highsec yielding 50 - 100 mil a hour. How do you do that? Id like to know as ive been mining since forever and you clearly know a secret I dont know. You speak of sweet carebear tears, have you ever figured what would happend if noone buildt stuff in this game? No then go get a clue. You also mentioned some great tank the hulk can have? Well instead of flaming all carebears perhaps you can make a post here with that fitting and what lvl required and what lvl recomended for each skill? How old are you btw? To answer all your question in order: 4 max skill hulks easily rake in that amount of isk depending on how many shows I have recorded. I have my little piddys dipped into every aspect of the game mate. YOU are my competition for isk hence anything that keeps you docked makes me profit. As far as fittings if you can't figure it out yourself then maybe Eve is a bit too complicated then? And I'm older than dirt and younger than God. Originally by: MM0RPG EVE Review "if you aren't my friend you are my income."
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.03.02 10:23:00 - [8] Originally by: Silam Ryder inept attempt at getting a rise out of someone who knows better Originally by: MM0RPG EVE Review "if you aren't my friend you are my income."
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.03.02 10:33:00 - [9] Originally by: Silam Ryder Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Silam Ryder inept attempt at getting a rise out of someone who knows better Ah anyways, soz you aint a**. But well how many m3 can you really pull on theese hulks? Be honest now. I can atm only pull 1670 m3 per laser. But then again I havent spendt isk on implants and stuff. And by that neglecting my tank. By max skill I really mean max skill. All have level 5 in the relevant skills with 5% hardwireings for yield and tank with the gang leader having max leadership for tanking,yield and a mindlink. Do the math and fire up quick fit and you will get to the numbers and setups fast enough. If I'm being vauge then I apologize for being a Darwinist. Originally by:** MM0RPG EVE Review "if you aren't my friend you are my income."
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.03.03 20:52:00 - [10] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: flakeys Originally by: Nasta443 Originally by: flakeys Now if i need to dock every time something interupts and i need to leave the screen then i'd get the playtime mentioned above. Welcome to eve. Tell me then why was i able to play this game the way i did for years till the suicidegankstars started a month or 4 back with a huge increase with the goons last weeks? Your message should be : WELCOME TO THE NEW EVE ... and no thanks CYA Search back... oh, say a year ago. I'd say further back but I've only been playing 18 months. Suicide ganks are not news /truth Hey miner guys. Want to make 80% of your normal isk per hour and not have to worry too much about getting ganked? Hulks mining ore. Buy a Covetor and fit it with T1 strips, a med extender with pdu and mining upgrade. Insure it. Go find an out of the way .5~.7 system with a 50% refinery and set up shop. Will take a bit longer to haul it to a system with top prices but hey your making most of your isk per hour and thumbing your nose at GS. If your one of the unlucky ones and still get ganked well instead a huge gaping loss your simply out a few mil. Hulks/Macks mining ice. Buy a covetor and fit it with T1 ice strips a small extender and 2 cargohold II. Take a shuttle or even better a mwd frigate and go as far away from the blobs of miners and set up as many BMs as you have the patience to make at different places along the belt. Insure your Covetor. Mine for 2 cycles and dock then warp to a random bm and repete until your ice quota is filled. If your unlucky and still get ganked well same as the guy mining ore your only out a few mil instead of getting wtfpwd on your wallet. Enjoy. Originally by: MM0RPG EVE Review "if you aren't my friend you are my income."

Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.03.03 21:48:00 - [11] Originally by: Minertor that a good plan :) but need a noob fleet motivated to do this hehehe :) not easy Yeah tell me about it. Most of the replies I got could be summed up like this: "hurhur i'll just go play wow till they get bored" Which to be completely fair in most purely empire miners cases would probably be the best thing to do. Originally by: MM0RPG EVE Review "if you aren't my friend you are my income."
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.03.04 05:49:00 - [12] Originally by: Grendelsbane Edited by: Grendelsbane on 04/03/2008 05:34:04 Quote: You speak of sweet carebear tears, have you ever figured what would happend if noone buildt stuff in this game? No then go get a clue. Well, if "no one" built ships and modules and ammo, or mined ore or ice, then we'd probably have a problem. But if the lazy, non-teamworkin', I'm-going-to-tool-about-empire-where-I-can-frolic-in-false-safety-and-play-singleplayer-EVE carebears stopped doing all that... well, then the adults would simply do it themselves and drive on. They are, after all, the pilots who actully have their ^%#& together and are out in 0.0 space, pulling off very difficult things against very determined enemies. I think they can handle having to take a time out to laser a few rocks. I mean, maybe it's a shock, but some pilots are actually willing to do things they don't like, or that are dangerous or boring, in order to attain a larger goal. People keep going on and on about "hey, don't pick on us, you NEEEEED us carebears!". That's crap. We don't need carebears, we need someone to man the barge and stuff the BP's in the oven. Anyone can do this; we certainly don't need the pilots who cannot work as a team, unless we're running short on target drones. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of competent and shrewd players who sit around in empire all day, laser rocks, and run missions and brag about how l337 they are... but there are a hell of a lot more who do that because it's their only option. applauds with gusto0 --------------------- Q: WTF! Why?! A: Because I can. ---------------------
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.03.04 07:30:00 - [13] Originally by: Jane Err Actually there is no exploit but there is a problem. CCP should allow t2 ships to be insured for fair market price, or what the ship is worth in materials, not what the price is for the base ship. If a hulk could be insured for what it is worth there would be no real reason to whine on and on. This is ofcourse a problem with all t2 ships but has been brought to light with the hulk hunt going on atm. So if we get T2 insurance then we can safely suicide gank using hacs and command ships for only a few mil lost each gank? ROFLno. --------------------- Q: WTF! Why?! A: Because I can. ---------------------
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.03.04 07:48:00 - [14] Originally by: gallente OU812 Actually zeba you missed my point. My post isn't about 'fixing the goon problem'. There is no goon problem. My point is t2 ship should be able to be properly insured. That's it. It has nothing to do with goons. Irrelevant. Fully insured T2 ships would be the plauge of every battlefield. How the hell are you gonna have a war of attrition if your enemy just goes "lulz I waz insurde. I only lost 15 minutes of ratting in isk hurhur^^:B" --------------------- Q: WTF! Why?! A: Because I can. ---------------------
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.03.04 08:04:00 - [15] Originally by: Jane Err LOL, since when is plague a bad thing. Besides, didn't goonswarm pioneer the idea that a blob of t1 can 'plague' a battlefield? T1 is one thing due to its average tank and decent dps. You need alot of them to be effective. T2 on the other hand with its uber resists and painful dps are something you don't want to see in throwaway ganks or ongoing alliance warfare. T2 insurance would completely obsolete the entire T1 line of ships due to the new cost effectiveness of risking your T2 in battle with no risk that couldn't be overcome by an hour or so ratting in 0.0 or a few level 4 missions. --------------------- Q: WTF! Why?! A: Because I can. ---------------------
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.03.04 15:15:00 - [16] Originally by: Jin Gle Why the JihadSwarm gimmick? Is this funny to Americans/goons/anybody? I dont find it offensive or anything. Just horribly unfunny. You're not doing much justice to SA. ps. :)=~~ SA/Goon members are from all over the world so I imagine that lots of different nationalities think its funneh/stupid/meh. No one country has a monopoly on arsehats and trolls after all. --------------------- Q: WTF! Why?! A: Because I can. ---------------------
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.03.04 18:21:00 - [17] Originally by: Nasta443 Originally by: N1fty Probably posted already. Miners die, fewer minerals. Mineral prices rise, mining becomes more profitable. Ship prices rise, suicide ganking becomes more expensive. Eventually ships will be too expensive to use in suicide runs. In which case industrials and miners should be rejoicing about the recent wave of suiciders. 20ish goonies killing a couple of hundred barges will have no effect on production levels of the literally thousands of miners out there. It would suprise me greatly if even a fraction of the greater minerbase even knows anything about the jihadswarm or has seen anyone actually get ganked. --------------------- Q: WTF! Why?! A: Because I can. ---------------------
Zeba	Posted - 2008.04.04 17:42:00 - [18] I thought Jihadswarm turned out to be a massive pr stunt with moast of the kills being faked? Or is it just that cartoon guy thats claiming to be on all the kills but has no sec loss of note? Originally by: Malcanis Too many people confuse "Waah, I didn't get my own way" with 'poor customer service'.
Zeba	Posted - 2008.04.05 04:13:00 - [19] Originally by: Gate Bait Edited by: Gate Bait on 04/04/2008 18:20:07 Originally by: Zeba I thought Jihadswarm turned out to be a massive pr stunt with moast of the kills being faked? Or is it just that cartoon guy thats claiming to be on all the kills but has no sec loss of note? Don't know, but my kill was real enough. The attacker took advantage of an exploit or there's a bug or something. After it was over I had no kill rights. It's currently being investagted by CCP. Digs out his /tinfoilhat BTW the logs show nothing. Originally by: Malcanis Too many people confuse "Waah, I didn't get my own way" with 'poor customer service'.

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