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Relaed Minmatar Shadows of the Dead The Dawn of Darkness	Posted - 2008.03.02 04:49:00 - [1] http://www.jihadswarm.com/?a=kills Killboard Seems Goonswarm has decided to target and destroy every exhumer they can get their hands on. Over 140 Exhumers in one week so far, and counting. There is no war dec or anything, so what is going on CCP? Is it wrong for the Largest Alliance in the game to be able to use their overwhelming resources from 0.0. to build and suicide Battleships, just to harrass and ruin the game experience in empire space, for some many people, those that don't want to take part in 0.0 affairs? It is wrong. Empire was not supposed to have such things occur on a regular basis. 140 Exhumers destroyed for nothing. Seems CCP really needs to address this problem, punish the offending corp and or alliance for such blatant harassment, instead of locking it down and trying to hide the serious issue this is becoming. Would you pay to play a game where all the high level characters could just come in and destroy everything you have worked for, with and for no good reason, and your losses are not even insurable, in an area where you are told it can't happen? Where do we go to petition all these losses in empire space that are uninsured, and should be considered exploitative, harassment, and basically ruining Eve-online for at least 140 people....and counting. I think each corp and alliance represented by the attackers, should have their security standings reduced, every member. What do you folks think?
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Deadly Addiction Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.03.02 04:51:00 - [2] OLD NEWS
Manipulator General o.0	Posted - 2008.03.02 04:55:00 - [3] No.
Nasta443	Posted - 2008.03.02 04:56:00 - [4] Originally by: Relaed Empire was not supposed to have such things occur on a regular basis. 140 Exhumers destroyed for nothing. Says who. Originally by: Relaed losses are not even insurable, in an area where you are told it can't happen? You are never assured that in empire you are completely safe. Originally by: Relaed harassment, and basically ruining Eve-online for at least 140 people....and counting. Lag ruins eve online for far more than 140 people and hey, its still there.
hangnoose Caldari Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.02 04:58:00 - [5] LOOK LOOK I'M CARING! Wait........... no i'm not.
Dimagus	Posted - 2008.03.02 05:00:00 - [6] Suiciding 140 different people is okay. Suiciding the same person 140 times is not. Are you claiming something insane like it's a BoB conspiracy botnet running 140 miner accounts, or are you just whining because you/your corp/your mining gang lost an exhumer?
Nasta443	Posted - 2008.03.02 05:01:00 - [7] Miner tears. They suck.
Adarr Caldari g guild Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.03.02 05:01:00 - [8] If CCP builds it, they will come.
Frug Repo Industries R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.03.02 05:01:00 - [9] Originally by: Dimagus Suiciding 140 different people is okay. Suiciding the same person 140 times is not. Since when? I can suicide you all I want. - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Zemi Dahut GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.02 05:05:00 - [10] No.

Marcus TheMartin Gallente Deadly Addiction Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.03.02 05:07:00 - [11] Originally by: Frug Originally by: Dimagus Suiciding 140 different people is okay. Suiciding the same person 140 times is not. Since when? I can suicide you all I want. Because it gets called griefing although you could probably complain that you can't wardec them since they'll just drop corp
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.03.02 05:09:00 - [12] what about the alliance coalition against macro miners? they are fighting in the tourny while we speak and have been doing the same thing for a long time. why didn't they get any hot water?
Manipulator General o.0	Posted - 2008.03.02 05:11:00 - [13] No.
cal nereus Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.03.02 05:16:00 - [14] Edited by: cal nereus on 02/03/2008 05:17:57 I understand and appreciate where you are coming from, Relaed. Before I go on, I would like to recommend that you and other Exhumer pilots in high-sec take steps to defend yourself in-game. Start defenses gangs, use intel, use clever counter-strategies, fly through lower-population systems, avoid hotspots for these attacks, etc. I sympathize with your plight and hope you can find an in-game solution for your difficulties. Show those Goons what a miner with teeth is really capable of. That said... I would like to point out that Goons aren't attacking Exhumers for nothing. It isn't really harassment either, since they're attacking indiscriminately. CCP fully endorses "suicide" attacks in high-sec, as long as Concord gets to pew-pew too. Goons are playing within the rules of the game, but you can fight back against them within the rules of the game too. Use the infinite tools you have at your disposal to counter their actions. You don't need an out-of-game power to save you. --- Join BH-DL Skills
Scorsigaar	Posted - 2008.03.02 05:25:00 - [15] Is goonswarm like a wow guild or something?
Aprudena Gist Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.02 05:27:00 - [16] Edited by: Aprudena Gist on 02/03/2008 05:27:54 man its only 140 this week there is way more if you check the other weeks too. its about 300 total exhumers so far.
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.03.02 05:27:00 - [17] Originally by: Relaed Is it wrong for the Largest Alliance in the game to be able to use their overwhelming resources from 0.0. to build and suicide Battleships, just to harrass and ruin the game experience in empire space, for some many people, those that don't want to take part in 0.0 affairs? It is wrong. It's unethical in the extreme but since when has being unethical been "wrong" in Eve? I'd be mad at them if they suicide ganked me, but there's enough Goon newbs around that you can always find someone to get revenge on. You can also hang around known killzones in Empire and just loot the goon wrecks.
Alekseyev Karrde Noir.	Posted - 2008.03.02 05:27:00 - [18] I sympathize, but there's really nothing surprising about this. Goonswarm has stated from day one they are in EVE to break it, and ever since they've been trying various ways to do this. Now that they're the dominant 0.0 power they are turning toward the vast majoirty of the players in the game, which do reside in empire and hardly leave, and are becoming "terrorists". Now there are many solutions to this from the miner perspective. One in particular I'll advance because it's my area of "expertise": Hire mercenaries against Goonswarm. I've seen the killboard link and quite frankly any decently equipped merc corp would be able to nip an aspiring Goon ganker in the bud. Sure it would be expensive, but if several victems pooled their resources and bargined collectivly, it wouldnt be all that bad compared to the increased costs and loss of peace of mind Goonswarm is currently causing. Dont expect the playerbase to defend or pity support you because you got suicide ganked alongside a few hundred others. Not much in EVE gets done through charity, anything being related to Chribba being a notable exception. However, I'll put it forward that my corp would be more than happy to be the, or one of the, units contracted for such an undertaking. Get organized, pool your resources, and contract out to those who specialize in what you need done. Zombie Apocalypse Guitar-Wielding Superteam
Corstaad	Posted - 2008.03.02 05:28:00 - [19] You link a killboard yet don't add up that there making a circuit of regular miner havens. Leave don't go near these areas for the next few weeks. If you use local you can tell when these people are in system so why keep mining when there around? There is so many things you can do to combat this just use your head. This will be the last time I say this but goons are actually doing a good thing for EvE .
Dirk Magnum Spearhead Endeavors	Posted - 2008.03.02 05:31:00 - [20] Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde I sympathize, but there's really nothing surprising about this. Goonswarm has stated from day one they are in EVE to break it, and ever since they've been trying various ways to do this. Now that they're the dominant 0.0 power they are turning toward the vast majoirty of the players in the game, which do reside in empire and hardly leave, and are becoming "terrorists". Now there are many solutions to this from the miner perspective. One in particular I'll advance because it's my area of "expertise": Hire mercenaries against Goonswarm. I've seen the killboard link and quite frankly any decently equipped merc corp would be able to nip an aspiring Goon ganker in the bud. Sure it would be expensive, but if several victems pooled their resources and bargined collectivly, it wouldnt be all that bad compared to the increased costs and loss of peace of mind Goonswarm is currently causing. Dont expect the playerbase to defend or pity support you because you got suicide ganked alongside a few hundred others. Not much in EVE gets done through charity, anything being related to Chribba being a notable exception. However, I'll put it forward that my corp would be more than happy to be the, or one of the, units contracted for such an undertaking. Get organized, pool your resources, and contract out to those who specialize in what you need done. And on top of this don't assume for a second that the Goons are going to remain as strong as they are today. When the Coalition has finished circle jerking over BoB they'll just turn on each other. That will be especially true if the Goons continue to victimize random people not involved with alliance ops.

Merin Ryskin FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.02 05:52:00 - [21] Not only is it not wrong for Goonswarm to do this, it is one of the few things Goonswarm has actually done right! Bit of advice for the carebears: by clicking the "subscribe" button, you consent to PvP. There is no such thing as "safe space", only "I can kill you easily and take your stuff" and "I have to work a bit harder to kill you and take your stuff". Saying you were killed "for nothing" is just silly, there is no such thing as "for nothing" in EVE. Everything from "you have stuff I want" to "I like to see pretty explosions" to "it's tuesday and I'm eating a pizza" is a legitimate reason to kill you. As for your laughable idea of petitioning the losses, allow me to quote CCP's player guide (you know, that thing you should have read) on this issue: ... Ratings of 0.5 and above can be considered relatively safe ... Please note that no matter where you are, there is no absolute guarantee you will not be attacked. Concord hands out retribution, but cannot promise constant protection. So yeah, I feel so dirty saying this, but good hunting, Goonswarm!
James Duar Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.02 05:54:00 - [22] Maybe those exhumers should stop wearing such revealing clothing.
karttoon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.02 05:59:00 - [23] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Not only is it not wrong for Goonswarm to do this, it is one of the few things Goonswarm has actually done right! Bit of advice for the carebears: by clicking the "subscribe" button, you consent to PvP. There is no such thing as "safe space", only "I can kill you easily and take your stuff" and "I have to work a bit harder to kill you and take your stuff". Saying you were killed "for nothing" is just silly, there is no such thing as "for nothing" in EVE. Everything from "you have stuff I want" to "I like to see pretty explosions" to "it's tuesday and I'm eating a pizza" is a legitimate reason to kill you. As for your laughable idea of petitioning the losses, allow me to quote CCP's player guide (you know, that thing you should have read) on this issue: ... Ratings of 0.5 and above can be considered relatively safe ... Please note that no matter where you are, there is no absolute guarantee you will not be attacked. Concord hands out retribution, but cannot promise constant protection. So yeah, I feel so dirty saying this, but good hunting, Goonswarm! sniff I love you too man!
PaddyPaddy Nihildarnik Gallente MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.03.02 06:15:00 - [24] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Not only is it not wrong for Goonswarm to do this, it is one of the few things Goonswarm has actually done right! Bit of advice for the carebears: by clicking the "subscribe" button, you consent to PvP. There is no such thing as "safe space", only "I can kill you easily and take your stuff" and "I have to work a bit harder to kill you and take your stuff". Saying you were killed "for nothing" is just silly, there is no such thing as "for nothing" in EVE. Everything from "you have stuff I want" to "I like to see pretty explosions" to "it's tuesday and I'm eating a pizza" is a legitimate reason to kill you. As for your laughable idea of petitioning the losses, allow me to quote CCP's player guide (you know, that thing you should have read) on this issue: ... Ratings of 0.5 and above can be considered relatively safe ... Please note that no matter where you are, there is no absolute guarantee you will not be attacked. Concord hands out retribution, but cannot promise constant protection. So yeah, I feel so dirty saying this, but good hunting, Goonswarm! Exactly right. Quite whining and find an ingame solution. You have already had one person suggest merc protection. Despite what you may have heard or believed when you come onto these forums but ccp encourages a harsh environment. If it was all cotton candy you wouldnt have anyone to sell those minerals to cos noone would be loosing ships. Simply put, if you dont want to deal with the real loss and real gain of eve, there are plenty of mmo's out there that are soft and fluffy and let you "resurrect" your avatar with all your gear. Why you would be motivated beyond looking at different graphics is beyond me however. Congrats goons on another eve player **ed off @ you. Enjoy the lolz. Objective achieved. Peace WithinSo if the theory of relativity is true, shouldn't i arrive at my destination before i warped in the first place? Neon Ghost**You do, but this is compensated for by lag
Celeritas 5k Caldari Initrode United For 0rder	Posted - 2008.03.02 06:26:00 - [25] Threads like this are what make eve pretty much the best game ever. - Always be Happy, Never be satisfied.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.03.02 06:28:00 - [26] mining highsec in a hulk is like running level 4s in a carrier. also whine about tri ganking mission runners
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.03.02 06:30:00 - [27] Originally by: Relaed http://www.jihadswarm.com/?a=kills Killboard Seems Goonswarm has decided to target and destroy every exhumer they can get their hands on. Over 140 Exhumers in one week so far, and counting. There is no war dec or anything, so what is going on CCP? Is it wrong for the Largest Alliance in the game to be able to use their overwhelming resources from 0.0. to build and suicide Battleships, just to harrass and ruin the game experience in empire space, for some many people, those that don't want to take part in 0.0 affairs? It is wrong. Empire was not supposed to have such things occur on a regular basis. 140 Exhumers destroyed for nothing. Seems CCP really needs to address this problem, punish the offending corp and or alliance for such blatant harassment, instead of locking it down and trying to hide the serious issue this is becoming. Would you pay to play a game where all the high level characters could just come in and destroy everything you have worked for, with and for no good reason, and your losses are not even insurable, in an area where you are told it can't happen? Where do we go to petition all these losses in empire space that are uninsured, and should be considered exploitative, harassment, and basically ruining Eve-online for at least 140 people....and counting. I think each corp and alliance represented by the attackers, should have their security standings reduced, every member. What do you folks think? dude. repeat after me: hi-sec = safer safer safer now, after you hammer that on your head with a sledgehammer, keep in mind that GS does that, because they can. want to do something about it? fight back. --- Trinity Nova Mercenary Services Web Site - Nominated for the 2008 E-ON Magazine Awards
Quelque Chose Gallente	Posted - 2008.03.02 06:32:00 - [28] Quick! Somebody make a thread about this! Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton mining highsec in a hulk is like running level 4s in a carrier. No. People who say this learned everything they know about industry from the voices inside the bubble. ______________________________ "Eve Online is a massively multiplayer game about trolling in outer space."
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.03.02 06:32:00 - [29] stikcing 3 hulks in a belt with a hauler and a logistics would be quite a pain in the ass for them
UGWidowmaker Caldari Setenta Corp	Posted - 2008.03.02 06:54:00 - [30] exhumers got nothing to do in empire. respect to goon for this campaign, keep it going... OMFG I am the widowmaker stay tuned.



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