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Stakhanov Metafarmers	Posted - 2008.03.02 07:03:00 - [31] Mine in lowsec , it's safer Originally by: CCP Mitnal Hi, my name's Mitnal and I'm addicted to locking threads
Rawr Cristina Caldari Cult of Rawr	Posted - 2008.03.02 07:05:00 - [32] I'm so jealous of MrBad right now. Fight Piracy - Encourage PvP in Lowsec!
Karanth Gallente Eve's Brothers of Destiny Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2008.03.02 07:13:00 - [33] First "people don't 'get' Goons" post. And I'll say this as a Hulk pilot. If you can't be bothered to find the reason the Swarm is using to slaughter you all, or try and find safer areas to mine, or fight back, or do anything that would actually be useful, instead of whining on the forums... You don't deserve to fly that ship. Just, just dock it, contract it to me, and do something else. Because you seem to fail at everything that is important to mining. "Current Earth-Destruction Status"
Mr QUE Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.03.02 07:15:00 - [34] Originally by: UGWidowmaker exhumers got nothing to do in empire. respect to goon for this campaign, keep it going... I see ICE prices going up :) got to love it nice work Goons lol
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.03.02 07:18:00 - [35] Originally by: Mr QUE Originally by: UGWidowmaker exhumers got nothing to do in empire. respect to goon for this campaign, keep it going... I see ICE prices going up :) got to love it nice work Goons lol Pfffft. not enough to dip into my reserves. FFS GOONS GET WITH TEH PROGRAM! Originally by: MM0RPG EVE Review "if you aren't my friend you are my income."
Dimagus	Posted - 2008.03.02 07:23:00 - [36] While not politically correct, here is a chart explaining the risk in EVE: 0.0 = International Waters 0.1-0.4 = Middle East 0.5-1.0 = US High School Infer the comparisons for pirates and suicide gankers at your own discretion.
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.03.02 07:24:00 - [37] Originally by: Dimagus While not politically correct, here is a chart explaining the risk in EVE: 0.0 = International Waters-and mexico 0.1-0.4 = Middle East 0.5-1.0 = US High School Infer the comparisons for pirates and suicide gankers at your own discretion. fixed
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Deadly Addiction Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.03.02 07:26:00 - [38] Originally by: MotherMoon Originally by: Dimagus While not politically correct, here is a chart explaining the risk in EVE: 0.0 = International Waters-and Sudan 0.1-0.4 = Middle East 0.5-1.0 = US High School Infer the comparisons for pirates and suicide gankers at your own discretion. fixed Double fixed
Vasile Ion	Posted - 2008.03.02 07:31:00 - [39] Edited by: Vasile Ion on 02/03/2008 07:32:03 OP, you are quite right in your claims. What Goonswarm is doing is quite against the rules. It is simply a result of broken game balance and people willing to take advantage of it. It's one thing for it to be profitable to suicide someone who carries arround very expensive cargo, and it's quite another thing for the loss of common transport and mining ships to be many time more expensive then the ships it takes to suicide into them with no possible counter. The rules say: "A grief player, or "griefer," is a player who devotes much of his time to making othersÆ lives miserable, in a large part deriving his enjoyment of the game from these activities. Grief tactics are the mechanics a griefer will utilize to antagonize other players. " "At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account." I see no mention of "eve is a harsh place and everything is allowed". Don't hold your breath for the GMs to do anything about it though.
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.03.02 07:35:00 - [40] Originally by: Vasile Ion ..Sweet Carebear Tears.. Whilst I myself have no particular love or hate of teh Goonies I will say this: Its about fekin time empire had some risk. Originally by: MM0RPG EVE Review "if you aren't my friend you are my income."

Quelque Chose Gallente	Posted - 2008.03.02 07:37:00 - [41] Originally by: Vasile Ion with no possible counter Wardec them if you're getting hit bad enough. They're already attacking you anyway so you have nothing to lose but your inability to strike first. Hell, those ships are probably either minimally tanked or not tanked at all since they're just going to get blowed up real good anyway. ______________________________ "Eve Online is a massively multiplayer game about trolling in outer space."
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.03.02 07:46:00 - [42] Edited by: Zeba on 02/03/2008 07:46:57 Originally by: Quelque Chose Hell, those ships are probably either minimally tanked or not tanked at all since they're just going to get blowed up real good anyway. hehe. Its the hulks that need to think about tanking. One of the killmails poasted had a hulk with a small booster I and em hardner I as its tank with the other two mids empty. Yes indeed they deserved it. Originally by: MM0RPG EVE Review "if you aren't my friend you are my income."
Quelque Chose Gallente	Posted - 2008.03.02 07:48:00 - [43] Originally by: Zeba Edited by: Zeba on 02/03/2008 07:46:57 Originally by: Quelque Chose Hell, those ships are probably either minimally tanked or not tanked at all since they're just going to get blowed up real good anyway. hehe. Its the hulks that need to think about tanking. One of the killmails poasted had a hulk with a small booster I and em hardner I as its tank with the other two mids empty. Yes indeed they deserved it. I'll have two of whatever it is you're drinking tonight. ______________________________ "Eve Online is a massively multiplayer game about trolling in outer space."
MotherMoon Huang Yinglong FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.03.02 07:48:00 - [44] speak of which anyone watch the video cearbear hell where over 400 bilion wroth f carebear ships are taken out by 3 guys? yeah forget about goonswarm they are light weights. nudge nudge
Dramaticus GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.02 07:50:00 - [45] we're all guilty of something Please don't use RL pictuers of players in Sig without permission. - WeatherMan
Haclya	Posted - 2008.03.02 07:52:00 - [46] Originally by: Relaed http://www.jihadswarm.com/?a=kills Killboard Seems Goonswarm has decided to target and destroy every exhumer they can get their hands on. Over 140 Exhumers in one week so far, and counting. There is no war dec or anything, so what is going on CCP? Is it wrong for the Largest Alliance in the game to be able to use their overwhelming resources from 0.0. to build and suicide Battleships, just to harrass and ruin the game experience in empire space, for some many people, those that don't want to take part in 0.0 affairs? It is wrong. Empire was not supposed to have such things occur on a regular basis. 140 Exhumers destroyed for nothing. Seems CCP really needs to address this problem, punish the offending corp and or alliance for such blatant harassment, instead of locking it down and trying to hide the serious issue this is becoming. Would you pay to play a game where all the high level characters could just come in and destroy everything you have worked for, with and for no good reason, and your losses are not even insurable, in an area where you are told it can't happen? Where do we go to petition all these losses in empire space that are uninsured, and should be considered exploitative, harassment, and basically ruining Eve-online for at least 140 people....and counting. I think each corp and alliance represented by the attackers, should have their security standings reduced, every member. What do you folks think? This is helping me :D Hope you lose more exhumers. You are in week corp and alliance hope you loose al your isk. By the way im a miner and prod of my work but you are no TRUE miner.
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.03.02 07:54:00 - [47] Originally by: Quelque Chose Originally by: Zeba Edited by: Zeba on 02/03/2008 07:46:57 Originally by: Quelque Chose Hell, those ships are probably either minimally tanked or not tanked at all since they're just going to get blowed up real good anyway. hehe. Its the hulks that need to think about tanking. One of the killmails poasted had a hulk with a small booster I and em hardner I as its tank with the other two mids empty. Yes indeed they deserved it. I'll have two of whatever it is you're drinking tonight. mmmm. a fine single malt whiskey localy made and bottled. But.. My point still stands. If even a fraction of the victims had invested in tanking skills then the goonies would be having a far worse time of it than they are now. Trust I did my own share of scanning barges to see if suisiding would be an effective way to drive up ice and mineral prices. Originally by: MM0RPG EVE Review "if you aren't my friend you are my income."
Quelque Chose Gallente	Posted - 2008.03.02 08:04:00 - [48] Originally by: Zeba mmmm. a fine single malt whiskey localy made and bottled. But.. My point still stands. If even a fraction of the victims had invested in tanking skills then the goonies would be having a far worse time of it than they are now. Trust I did my own share of scanning barges to see if suisiding would be an effective way to drive up ice and mineral prices. Forget it. Ironically, they're a wealthy and decadent imperialist superpower; an extra BS per gank is no object to them. No, if you really want to put the hurt on a great Trollop Of Babylon 5 like that, you've got to draw them into a lengthy guerrilla war and bleed them white. ______________________________ "Eve Online is a massively multiplayer game about trolling in outer space."
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.02 08:06:00 - [49] Don't forget the insurance payout Originally by: Avaricia look a goon lol
Syniztur Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.03.02 08:06:00 - [50] Originally by: Dimagus While not politically correct, here is a chart explaining the risk in EVE: 0.0 = International Waters 0.1-0.4 = Middle East 0.5-1.0 = US High School Infer the comparisons for pirates and suicide gankers at your own discretion. This... was... Brilliant!!! ----------------------------------------------- \| Do unto others, before they can do unto you! \| -----------------------------------------------

Earl Black	Posted - 2008.03.02 08:10:00 - [51] Privateer's used the rules to bring PvP too many corps who thought empire was "safe" Sadly they were deemed unacceptable to continue making empire fun. Goons, while losing ships to suicide ganks seem little better, but this is welcomed, what a turn around, if every kill was a "aaaaahjk" I can see some merit in this venture, but the stated reason is just to shift their stockpile of ships, market pvp I guess. Venom from some, who seem to deny that a large portion of the player base, lives and works in empire and has no wish to become just another meat shield. Some of this envy is probably driven by the many afk miners alt tab'ing while they run a mission or multiple mining op's.
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.03.02 08:11:00 - [52] Edited by: Zeba on 02/03/2008 08:15:08 Originally by: Quelque Chose Originally by: Zeba mmmm. a fine single malt whiskey localy made and bottled. But.. My point still stands. If even a fraction of the victims had invested in tanking skills then the goonies would be having a far worse time of it than they are now. Trust I did my own share of scanning barges to see if suisiding would be an effective way to drive up ice and mineral prices. Forget it. Ironically, they're a wealthy and decadent imperialist superpower; an extra BS per gank is no object to them. No, if you really want to put the hurt on a great Trollop Of Babylon 5 like that, you've got to draw them into a lengthy guerrilla war and bleed them white. Won't happen as all the empire miners I've ever met are all soloish players. I tried for 2 years strait to organise a mutual defense system againt this inevitable outcome but eveyone was like: luz we are in empire wit concord protection lulz no need to have a plan lulz.. f1 f2 f3 mine away. YOU SHOULD HAVE LISTENED TO ME YOU ANAL RETENTIVE NUBS AND NOW YOUR IN HIDING AND MAKING ZERO ISK. Originally by: MM0RPG EVE Review "if you aren't my friend you are my income."
Quelque Chose Gallente	Posted - 2008.03.02 08:16:00 - [53] Originally by: Zeba Won't happen as all the empire miners I've ever met are all soloish players. I tried for 2 years strait to organise a mutual defense system but eveyone was like: luz we are in empire wit concord protection lulz no need to have a plan lulz.. f1 f2 f3 mine away. Yeah, that's absolutely true, it'll never happen. Those guys don't seem to realize that if you just park the hulks for a while they'll still be there when the smoke clears. Plus, they'll no doubt expect everybody else to do the work while they continue to pile up filthy lucre. But it would be hilarious if it did happen, wouldn't it? If I wasn't an 8 week newb and totally alone I'd see what I could scratch up anyway just for the hell of it. ______________________________ "Eve Online is a massively multiplayer game about trolling in outer space."
Berrik Radhok GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.02 08:28:00 - [54] Edited by: Berrik Radhok on 02/03/2008 08:28:52 Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Mr QUE Originally by: UGWidowmaker exhumers got nothing to do in empire. respect to goon for this campaign, keep it going... I see ICE prices going up :) got to love it nice work Goons lol Pfffft. not enough to dip into my reserves. FFS GOONS GET WITH TEH PROGRAM! We're not blowing up the people mining the ice we use, silly. Also, people saying this is against the rules: the EULA disagrees with you.
Stern Maxwell Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.02 08:31:00 - [55] Seems kind of funny to look down the list and see all Exhumers, lol. ___________________________________________
karttoon GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.02 08:32:00 - [56] Originally by: Berrik Radhok We're not blowing up the people mining the ice we use, silly. I am. Deadtear's going to *****me.
Primnproper	Posted - 2008.03.02 08:39:00 - [57] No its not wrong, its eve exactly how its designed to be. As for where your supposed to be safe, i'm afraid thats no where in eve. And so I ask a counter question... Is it wrong that despite CCP being very clear that this is a game of non consensual pvp set in a brutal, dark and hostile world, that people still think that its not and that they should be safe just for being somewhere and that they don't have to do anything to protect themselves. And is it wrong that when their illusions about what kind of game this is are smashed that they come on the forums and whine about it in attempt to get it changed. Yes it is wrong....
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.03.02 08:47:00 - [58] Originally by: Berrik Radhok Edited by: Berrik Radhok on 02/03/2008 08:28:52 Originally by: Zeba Originally by: Mr QUE Originally by: UGWidowmaker exhumers got nothing to do in empire. respect to goon for this campaign, keep it going... I see ICE prices going up :) got to love it nice work Goons lol Pfffft. not enough to dip into my reserves. FFS GOONS GET WITH TEH PROGRAM! We're not blowing up the people mining the ice we use, silly. Ya think? I want you to blow up the people mining ice that everyone else uses. Originally by: MM0RPG EVE Review "if you aren't my friend you are my income."
Silam Ryder	Posted - 2008.03.02 09:14:00 - [59] Originally by: Zeba Alot of crap Hmmm you speak of mining in highsec yielding 50 - 100 mil a hour. How do you do that? Id like to know as ive been mining since forever and you clearly know a secret I dont know. You speak of sweet carebear tears, have you ever figured what would happend if noone buildt stuff in this game? No then go get a clue. You also mentioned some great tank the hulk can have? Well instead of flaming all carebears perhaps you can make a post here with that fitting and what lvl required and what lvl recomended for each skill? How old are you btw?
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.03.02 09:20:00 - [60] Originally by: Silam Ryder Originally by: Zeba Alot of crap Hmmm you speak of mining in highsec yielding 50 - 100 mil a hour. How do you do that? Id like to know as ive been mining since forever and you clearly know a secret I dont know. You speak of sweet carebear tears, have you ever figured what would happend if noone buildt stuff in this game? No then go get a clue. You also mentioned some great tank the hulk can have? Well instead of flaming all carebears perhaps you can make a post here with that fitting and what lvl required and what lvl recomended for each skill? How old are you btw? To answer all your question in order: 4 max skill hulks easily rake in that amount of isk depending on how many shows I have recorded. I have my little piddys dipped into every aspect of the game mate. YOU are my competition for isk hence anything that keeps you docked makes me profit. As far as fittings if you can't figure it out yourself then maybe Eve is a bit too complicated then? And I'm older than dirt and younger than God. Originally by: MM0RPG EVE Review "if you aren't my friend you are my income."



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