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Cipher7	Posted - 2008.03.04 00:45:00 - [391] Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo Originally by: Cipher7 Originally by: Aprudena Gist people who fly hulks are by no means new players. If it can be done to a hulk it can be done to a bantam. Are GS ganking Bantams or BSs or Cruisers or Destroyers? Its not like Bantams haven't been ganked before. Who cares about GS, this post is about the disease not the symptom. Put it this way, ppl say "Concord provides consequences, not safety" Insurance pays out, so there is no consequence. You lose your ship, so what, you go buy another one with insurance, it's like free rookieships. Where's the Concord consequence? There is none.
Cipher7	Posted - 2008.03.04 00:50:00 - [392] Originally by: Spacy Tracy Quote: And who cares if CCP loses customers. It's all a matter of scale. Eventually, CCP will care. Then they have to start making hard choices. Again, I ask, when it becomes hard-choice time, would you rather have them making the game-mechanic-altering warhammer of a choice (ie, your Privateer example), or would you rather have them do a one-off that punishes a very specific instance? A stitch in time saves nine. There comes a point where a small problem becomes a big problem, there comes a point where 1000 subscriptions turns into 100,000 subscriptions. The "I don't care" ideology works both ways, let Eve die then, I don't care either. But guess who cares. CCP. And I believe they will try to nip it in the bud.
Zorlag Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.04 00:55:00 - [393] Originally by: Cipher7 Originally by: Spacy Tracy Quote: And who cares if CCP loses customers. It's all a matter of scale. Eventually, CCP will care. Then they have to start making hard choices. Again, I ask, when it becomes hard-choice time, would you rather have them making the game-mechanic-altering warhammer of a choice (ie, your Privateer example), or would you rather have them do a one-off that punishes a very specific instance? A stitch in time saves nine. There comes a point where a small problem becomes a big problem, there comes a point where 1000 subscriptions turns into 100,000 subscriptions. The "I don't care" ideology works both ways, let Eve die then, I don't care either. But guess who cares. CCP. And I believe they will try to nip it in the bud. Just because we got titans nerfed doesn't mean that your opinion means anything at all.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.03.04 01:00:00 - [394] Originally by: Cipher7 Originally by: Spacy Tracy Quote: And who cares if CCP loses customers. It's all a matter of scale. Eventually, CCP will care. Then they have to start making hard choices. Again, I ask, when it becomes hard-choice time, would you rather have them making the game-mechanic-altering warhammer of a choice (ie, your Privateer example), or would you rather have them do a one-off that punishes a very specific instance? A stitch in time saves nine. There comes a point where a small problem becomes a big problem, there comes a point where 1000 subscriptions turns into 100,000 subscriptions. The "I don't care" ideology works both ways, let Eve die then, I don't care either. But guess who cares. CCP. And I believe they will try to nip it in the bud. Please produce some evidence that 1000 subs ar at stake, never mind 10,000. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Spacy Tracy	Posted - 2008.03.04 01:19:00 - [395] Edited by: Spacy Tracy on 04/03/2008 01:21:05 Originally by: Zorlag edit: And for that matter, who cares about you Empire pubbies at all? Everyone, CCP included, realizes that you'll do whatever meaningless repetitive task to get imaginary space money to do the tasks faster. Sure - up to a point. And I'm not even claiming doom and gloom here. I have no evidence that what GS is doing is having any effect at all. What I -am- saying is, should the time come, how awesome would it be for you guys to get screwed instead of screwing everyone else by changing the game mechanics? This would be a most excellent reversal of what you guys are really trying to do, right? Oh, you'd put on your brave faces and say "you don't GET Goons" and all that other crap. But you'd be ****ed. Deep down inside. And that would just be awesome, brosef :) Since the punch-people-in-the-face-via-standard-TCP technology is a long ways off, this would be an awesome substitute.
Chirruper	Posted - 2008.03.04 01:19:00 - [396] The real crime against humanity here is 40 pages of circular bickering. I think everyone has made their point.
Istvaan Shogaatsu Caldari Guiding Hand Social Club	Posted - 2008.03.04 01:27:00 - [397] Originally by: Spacy Tracy Nah. It's not "arbitrary". If CCP sees that GS is legitimately causing them to lose players (let's just for now assume this is the case - who knows if it's really true). They're a business and at some point they're not going to allow a bunch of idiots to ruin their playerbase. If that happened (again, if) - what would you rather have happen? They change the game mechanics so you can't even fire a gun in high-sec, or having the d0uchebags who forced the situation take it right up the ass? I know which I'd prefer. In the 6 years Eve's been running, they've never had to do this before (possibly excepting the MoO thing). Why not make it fun and grief the griefers? Hahaha... aaaah, yeah, the old "CCP will come beat up the griefers for us" daydream. Please, good carebear. You're vastly overstating the importance of your ilk to this game community. Eve has proven over and over, that for every one of you that quits from grief, three badass griefers join up because they read about how hard you got sacked. Carebears die, subscription numbers fly. Your blood is the fuel for this expansion. The threats of a miner strike amuse me even more. Are you serious? You people love hitting the rock more than Whitney Houston. I bet you go into withdrawal symptoms if you go for more than two hours without hearing the soothing fzz-fzz-fzz of your mining beams.
Spacy Tracy	Posted - 2008.03.04 01:30:00 - [398] Who says I'm a carebear? I'm blue with GS right now and haven't lived in high sec in nearly a year. That aside - you may THINK that the carebears don't matter. But the economics blog says otherwise. The large majority of players live in high-sec. If it becomes uninhabitable (read : not fun) then that'll have a much bigger impact on CCP's bottom line than boning 5000 very-deserving d0ouchbags who live out in 0.0.
Chirruper	Posted - 2008.03.04 01:34:00 - [399] Edited by: Chirruper on 04/03/2008 01:34:23 Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Eve has proven over and over, that for every one of you that quits from grief, three badass griefers join up because they read about how hard you got sacked. This. Guilty as charged (I'm new).
Maor Raor	Posted - 2008.03.04 01:37:00 - [400] Originally by: Istvaan Shogaatsu Hahaha... aaaah, yeah, 13 yearold drivvle. And what makes you somuch a better person than a miner? If a miner continues to mine knowing that there is risk he has already shown the has more balls than the Gankbears that plague this game. This thread is full of the same crap that the old priveter threads were full of. GankBears highfiveing eachother and trying to impress with their uber carebear flames. this more than anything tells me that its in for a Nerf.
Scoundrelus Dark Tornado Synchr0nicity	Posted - 2008.03.04 01:37:00 - [401] I am a disgusting filthy STD ridden pirate, and I think that it has become far too dangerous for carebears in high sec. In high sec you don't know who your enemies are till your dead. If you did then we wouldn't have 140 dead exhumers now would we. I think that carebears will find it much safer in low sec as it is less populated and has better ore. Go into low sec, establish a source of isk. Find out who the biggest baddest pirates in your area are and pay them for protection. You will find MANY pirates who not only will leave you alone for isk, but act as bodyguards too. Adding the possibility of danger to your lives will also make the game more exciting, and if your smart you won't die to gatecamps. Give it a shot, move down to low sec. Better ore, better rats, same agents and less danger.
Spacy Tracy	Posted - 2008.03.04 02:05:00 - [402] You know, something occurred to me as I was driving home from work. Dare I say it - you guys cheering Goons on don't "get" Goons. Bear with me. Goons have stated unequivocally that their desire is to ruin the game. Straight up - that's their goal. Now, a very simple interpretation of that would lead you to the thinking I'm seeing on this thread : "ruin the game....for CAREBEARS. So, who cares! Woohoo!". But that's not their goal. Their goal is to ruin EVE - for the player who love Eve for what it represents. That open, anything goes, PvP centric sandbox that makes it so different from other MMO's. In other words, they are targeting YOU, the guys who appreciate Eve for what it really is. The fact that they've got you cheering along for them to succeed is really why they're so brilliant. They would love nothing more than to force CCP's hand to make things all tied down and completely safe. If they woke up a few years hence and Eve had been nerfed all to hell and was basically WoW in space, they'd think to themselves "mission accomplished". That they got some carebears to whine in the process was just a side bonus. They got to ruin YOUR (you, the hardcore appreciator of Eve) game, and got you to even cheerlead them on. I submit - **** them. Who cares if they and they only get screwed? You think RA and TCF would have a hissy fit if they had to decide on how divide up Goon space?
Avarice Dreams	Posted - 2008.03.04 02:14:00 - [403] Goons have stated unequivocally that their desire is to ruin the game. Straight up - that's their goal. Now, a very simple interpretation of that would lead you to the thinking I'm seeing on this thread : "ruin the game....for CAREBEARS. So, who cares! Woohoo!". But that's not their goal. Their goal is to ruin EVE - for the player who love Eve for what it represents. That open, anything goes, PvP centric sandbox that makes it so different from other MMO's. /signed
FastJack316 GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.04 02:48:00 - [404] Originally by: Spacy Tracy Who says I'm a carebear? I'm blue with GS right now and haven't lived in high sec in nearly a year. This is a damn shame.
Wloire Macabre Votum Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.03.04 03:10:00 - [405] Real Wolrd Physics coming into this argument. Can you as a random citizen of whatever country you belong to be shot and killed in front of a police station?
Spacy Tracy	Posted - 2008.03.04 03:12:00 - [406] Yep. And if it happened 100 times in a week and the guys left their driver's licenses at the scene of the crime, you can be sure there'd be some raids going on :)
FastJack316 GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.04 03:12:00 - [407] Originally by: Wloire Real Wolrd Physics coming into this argument. Can you as a random citizen of whatever country you belong to be shot and killed in front of a police station? What does this have to do with the price of tea in china?
Bart ForHire	Posted - 2008.03.04 03:40:00 - [408] Originally by: Zorlag Edited by: Zorlag on 04/03/2008 00:56:54 Originally by: Cipher7 There comes a point where a small problem becomes a big problem, there comes a point where 1000 subscriptions turns into 100,000 subscriptions. The "I don't care" ideology works both ways, let Eve die then, I don't care either. But guess who cares. CCP. And I believe they will try to nip it in the bud. Just because we got titans nerfed doesn't mean that your opinion means anything at all. edit: And for that matter, who cares about you Empire pubbies at all? Everyone, CCP included, realizes that you'll do whatever meaningless repetitive task to get imaginary space money to do the tasks faster. Then maybe they will solve the problem by baning you entire group from the game. Let's see your group or the lost of 100,000 other players, who are they going to pick?
Spacy Tracy	Posted - 2008.03.04 04:53:00 - [409] Originally by: FastJack316 Hey how do you feel about Concord having specific numbers of ships, actual stats, and Empire space being conquerable? Dunno. Never thought about it. I kind of like being able to take a little vacation every once in a while and just tool around empire. Seems to me the huge number of systems in 0.0 should be more than sufficient. No alliance has ever been able to hold more than, say 50% so why add more? Quote: Probably about the same as I feel about your ******** idea. fofofofofo
FastJack316 GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.04 05:04:00 - [410] Originally by: Spacy Tracy Dunno. Never thought about it. I kind of like being able to take a little vacation every once in a while and just tool around empire. Seems to me the huge number of systems in 0.0 should be more than sufficient. No alliance has ever been able to hold more than, say 50% so why add more? missin da point itt
Jade190	Posted - 2008.03.04 05:31:00 - [411] I hate it when others force their will upon the weak. I hope they fail, and if I can, I will do what I can to ensure their failure. See you on the field ------ Fighting stupidity since before you were stupid.
Grendelsbane	Posted - 2008.03.04 05:32:00 - [412] Edited by: Grendelsbane on 04/03/2008 05:34:04 Quote: You speak of sweet carebear tears, have you ever figured what would happend if noone buildt stuff in this game? No then go get a clue. Well, if "no one" built ships and modules and ammo, or mined ore or ice, then we'd probably have a problem. But if the lazy, non-teamworkin', I'm-going-to-tool-about-empire-where-I-can-frolic-in-false-safety-and-play-singleplayer-EVE carebears stopped doing all that... well, then the adults would simply do it themselves and drive on. They are, after all, the pilots who actully have their ^%#& together and are out in 0.0 space, pulling off very difficult things against very determined enemies. I think they can handle having to take a time out to laser a few rocks. I mean, maybe it's a shock, but some pilots are actually willing to do things they don't like, or that are dangerous or boring, in order to attain a larger goal. People keep going on and on about "hey, don't pick on us, you NEEEEED us carebears!". That's crap. We don't need carebears, we need someone to man the barge and stuff the BP's in the oven. Anyone can do this; we certainly don't need the pilots who cannot work as a team, unless we're running short on target drones. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of competent and shrewd players who sit around in empire all day, laser rocks, and run missions and brag about how l337 they are... but there are a hell of a lot more who do that because it's their only option.
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.03.04 05:49:00 - [413] Originally by: Grendelsbane Edited by: Grendelsbane on 04/03/2008 05:34:04 Quote: You speak of sweet carebear tears, have you ever figured what would happend if noone buildt stuff in this game? No then go get a clue. Well, if "no one" built ships and modules and ammo, or mined ore or ice, then we'd probably have a problem. But if the lazy, non-teamworkin', I'm-going-to-tool-about-empire-where-I-can-frolic-in-false-safety-and-play-singleplayer-EVE carebears stopped doing all that... well, then the adults would simply do it themselves and drive on. They are, after all, the pilots who actully have their ^%#& together and are out in 0.0 space, pulling off very difficult things against very determined enemies. I think they can handle having to take a time out to laser a few rocks. I mean, maybe it's a shock, but some pilots are actually willing to do things they don't like, or that are dangerous or boring, in order to attain a larger goal. People keep going on and on about "hey, don't pick on us, you NEEEEED us carebears!". That's crap. We don't need carebears, we need someone to man the barge and stuff the BP's in the oven. Anyone can do this; we certainly don't need the pilots who cannot work as a team, unless we're running short on target drones. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of competent and shrewd players who sit around in empire all day, laser rocks, and run missions and brag about how l337 they are... but there are a hell of a lot more who do that because it's their only option. applauds with gusto0 --------------------- Q: WTF! Why?! A: Because I can. ---------------------
Nasta443	Posted - 2008.03.04 05:54:00 - [414] Originally by: Spacy Tracy Ok, so just make it Concord. The 4 empires have decided that GS has started having too great of an economic impact on their sovereign areas (true in both the real-life and Eve-life sense). So, they send in unstoppable CONCORD to teach the Goons a lesson. So you want concord to play the game for you Carebears.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.04 06:08:00 - [415] Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 04/03/2008 06:11:08 You know, I kinda wonder. People talking about all the "lost" subscriptions and stuff....with the various newbee drives that Goonswarm has done, is there any other single player entity in Eve that has been directly responsible for more subscriptions than GS? Originally by: Spacy Tracy Goons have stated unequivocally that their desire is to ruin the game. Straight up - that's their goal. So, when exactly did we "say" this? Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.04 06:52:00 - [416] Originally by: An Anarchyyt Edited by: An Anarchyyt on 04/03/2008 06:11:08 You know, I kinda wonder. People talking about all the "lost" subscriptions and stuff....with the various newbee drives that Goonswarm has done, is there any other single player entity in Eve that has been directly responsible for more subscriptions than GS? Originally by: Spacy Tracy Goons have stated unequivocally that their desire is to ruin the game. Straight up - that's their goal. So, when exactly did we "say" this? I think it was on a 'Wired' article actually... Originally by: Avaricia look a goon lol
Fofalus III ELEMENTS	Posted - 2008.03.04 07:01:00 - [417] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Originally by: An Anarchyyt Originally by: Spacy Tracy Goons have stated unequivocally that their desire is to ruin the game. Straight up - that's their goal. So, when exactly did we "say" this? I think it was on a 'Wired' article actually... I think that was Sir Molle actually.
Sarakiel	Posted - 2008.03.04 07:04:00 - [418] Keep it up goons. Make them feel safe nowhere.
Jane Err	Posted - 2008.03.04 07:28:00 - [419] Actually there is no exploit but there is a problem. CCP should allow t2 ships to be insured for fair market price, or what the ship is worth in materials, not what the price is for the base ship. If a hulk could be insured for what it is worth there would be no real reason to whine on and on. This is ofcourse a problem with all t2 ships but has been brought to light with the hulk hunt going on atm.
Zeba Minmatar Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.03.04 07:30:00 - [420] Originally by: Jane Err Actually there is no exploit but there is a problem. CCP should allow t2 ships to be insured for fair market price, or what the ship is worth in materials, not what the price is for the base ship. If a hulk could be insured for what it is worth there would be no real reason to whine on and on. This is ofcourse a problem with all t2 ships but has been brought to light with the hulk hunt going on atm. So if we get T2 insurance then we can safely suicide gank using hacs and command ships for only a few mil lost each gank? ROFLno. --------------------- Q: WTF! Why?! A: Because I can. ---------------------

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