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dakari
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Posted - 2008.03.03 17:29:00 -
[301]
 Originally by: Chloey Rans
Remove insurance payouts for ship losses due to criminal acts and
let EvE's great economy sort things out by itselve.
yes, please continue with the killing and ganking goonswarm, I love my new 3.2 tritanium prices and I soon hope to be able to charge 5 ISK per pyrite.
Thank you goonswarm!
As a side note, all you other people who mass buy minerals in high security, it might behoove you to wardec goonswarm enmasse and so you can get your nice cheap minerals back before the costs really explode.
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Malaan Tabfassh
The Flowing Penguins
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Posted - 2008.03.03 17:38:00 -
[302]
Sorry for not reading all pages, but:
I LOVE THIS GAME
cause of such actions  . If Goonswarm is mighty enough to kill all barges out there (including mine), they shall do.
An advice for the people moaning and whining around here:
This game has an intro (one of the best intros in game history ever imho), now go check the button "watch intro on next login" and pay attention when it comes to the part about megacooperations.
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Cipher7
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Posted - 2008.03.03 17:40:00 -
[303]
Deny insurance claims for Concord kills.
Sucks we have to go down this path due to rampant abuse of hisec mechanics, but I really see no other option.
Hisec is not supposed to be more dangerous than 0.0, for that matter 0.0 is not supposed to be safer than 0.4, the risk/reward is supposed to scale, thats how we protect noobs in this game and ensure that everyone gets a level of risk they are comfortable with, corresponding to an appropriate reward for taking more risks.
Eve right now serves %10 of the players at the expense of the other %90.
I look forward to a little balance in the game mechanics.
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An Anarchyyt
Gallente
Battlestars
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.03 17:47:00 -
[304]
Originally by: Cipher7
Deny insurance claims for Concord kills.
Sucks we have to go down this path due to rampant abuse of hisec mechanics, but I really see no other option.
Hisec is not supposed to be more dangerous than 0.0, for that matter 0.0 is not supposed to be safer than 0.4, the risk/reward is supposed to scale, thats how we protect noobs in this game and ensure that everyone gets a level of risk they are comfortable with, corresponding to an appropriate reward for taking more risks.
Eve right now serves %10 of the players at the expense of the other %90.
I look forward to a little balance in the game mechanics.
Lets assume for a minute, that your ridiculous rabble is true, where exactly is it said that low-sec is not meant to be more dangrous than 0.0? The purpose of 0.0 is simply that it is player-ruled. That says nothing about how safe or not safe, it is meant to be.
If you look at it at the way it is, 0.0 is divided into a high and low-sec type area. High-sec is the area that the empires claim, and protect. Low-sec is the areas that the empires claim, but do not protect, for whatever reason. Any alliance has a base area, which in normal times, is relatively safe. Lots of people around to protect, and hostile incursions generally don't get in there that far. So that is the 0.0 equivalent of high sec.
And of course, as these alliances spread out, they can not patrol every single area of their space. These are the areas that are much more empty, have a lot less friendlies, and are also often less desirable, this is the low-sec equivalent of low-sec. Therefore, it is much easier for hostiles and neutrals to hang out in these areas and do whatever they want.
So, there is no division that the game is high-sec, low-sec and 0.0. There is high-sec and low-sec as the empire space entity. And then there is the separate division of 0.0 as non-empire, player controlled space.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler
Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
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Vymorna Grom
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.03.03 17:56:00 -
[305]
Originally by: dakari
Originally by: Chloey Rans
Remove insurance payouts for ship losses due to criminal acts and
let EvE's great economy sort things out by itselve.
yes, please continue with the killing and ganking goonswarm, I love my new 3.2 tritanium prices and I soon hope to be able to charge 5 ISK per pyrite.
Thank you goonswarm!
As a side note, all you other people who mass buy minerals in high security, it might behoove you to wardec goonswarm enmasse and so you can get your nice cheap minerals back before the costs really explode.
Thank you. Action X gets reaction Y. Beautiful.
Wars do have an effect on prices.
So who will formulate the appropriate response or reaction in order to either establish balance or swing things in the other direction completely?
God I love this game. 
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Cipher7
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Posted - 2008.03.03 18:15:00 -
[306]
Originally by: An Anarchyyt
Lets assume for a minute, that your ridiculous rabble is true, where exactly is it said that low-sec is not meant to be more dangrous than 0.0?
I dunno, maybe the words in the top left corner of the screen where it says, "SECURITY LEVEL"
So higher security is supposed to mean more dangerous right?
From the Official Eve Player Guide :
Space consists of star systems. Each of these is assigned a security rating, from 0.0 (Lawless) to 1.0 (Secure).
You could imagine the EVE galaxy as a flower, where the secure Empire space is the middle of the flower and the outer lawless regions are the leaves.
The ultimate goal in EVE is power. It can be power over the market, military dominance, financial power, or political power. These are all achievable in EVE at degrees varying from local system, regional level, or even universe-wide. EVE caters to many different play styles, ranging from the hard core combat commander to the patient miner
New Player Protection
New characters enter the EVE world in high security areas of space, heavily guarded by police ships and sentry guns.
Making Money
Mining
There are many forms of mining, ranging from solo prospecting to large scale strip mining by industrial corporations. The latter requires considerable planning and coordination, but solo mining does not require much skill or knowledge. That sounds like the perfect job for you! Don't worry; every dashing space hero and galactic corporate mogul had to start somewhere.
A suitable system for launching your new mining career should meet the following criteria:
* Be 1.0 to 0.8 security.
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flakeys
Tier 3 Technologies Inc
Lazy is our middle name
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Posted - 2008.03.03 18:24:00 -
[307]
Originally by: Cipher7
Originally by: An Anarchyyt
Lets assume for a minute, that your ridiculous rabble is true, where exactly is it said that low-sec is not meant to be more dangrous than 0.0?
I dunno, maybe the words in the top left corner of the screen where it says, "SECURITY LEVEL"
So higher security is supposed to mean more dangerous right?
From the Official Eve Player Guide :
Space consists of star systems. Each of these is assigned a security rating, from 0.0 (Lawless) to 1.0 (Secure).
You could imagine the EVE galaxy as a flower, where the secure Empire space is the middle of the flower and the outer lawless regions are the leaves.
The ultimate goal in EVE is power. It can be power over the market, military dominance, financial power, or political power. These are all achievable in EVE at degrees varying from local system, regional level, or even universe-wide. EVE caters to many different play styles, ranging from the hard core combat commander to the patient miner
New Player Protection
New characters enter the EVE world in high security areas of space, heavily guarded by police ships and sentry guns.
Making Money
Mining
There are many forms of mining, ranging from solo prospecting to large scale strip mining by industrial corporations. The latter requires considerable planning and coordination, but solo mining does not require much skill or knowledge. That sounds like the perfect job for you! Don't worry; every dashing space hero and galactic corporate mogul had to start somewhere.
A suitable system for launching your new mining career should meet the following criteria:
* Be 1.0 to 0.8 security.
Lol  just LOL ...
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Cipher7
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Posted - 2008.03.03 18:26:00 -
[308]
Edited by: Cipher7 on 03/03/2008 18:26:47
The core issue :
The ultimate goal in EVE is power. It can be power over the market, military dominance, financial power, or political power.
CCP claim to have a game for all playstyles, but really there is only 1 playstyle.
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Cipher7
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Posted - 2008.03.03 18:29:00 -
[309]
Originally by: flakeys
Lol just LOL ...
Yeah I lol'd too.
They should advertise the game with "b*tch we gonna gank you!" because that's really more accurate and honest than "Eve is a world where everybody can pursue their own playstyle blah blah blah."
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Vladimir Griftin
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Posted - 2008.03.03 18:42:00 -
[310]
Originally by: Cipher7
Yeah I lol'd too.
They should advertise the game with "b*tch we gonna gank you!" because that's really more accurate and honest than "Eve is a world where everybody can pursue their own playstyle blah blah blah."
Oh stop being so wet
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flakeys
Tier 3 Technologies Inc
Lazy is our middle name
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Posted - 2008.03.03 18:43:00 -
[311]
Originally by: Cipher7
Originally by: flakeys
Lol just LOL ...
Yeah I lol'd too.
They should advertise the game with "b*tch we gonna gank you!" because that's really more accurate and honest than "Eve is a world where everybody can pursue their own playstyle blah blah blah."
Yep since that seems to be the only thing the pro-suiciders and us have in common..the sence that eve only is left for those who want to pvp.Why not make it all 0.0 then?
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Nasta443
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Posted - 2008.03.03 18:44:00 -
[312]
Originally by: An Anarchyyt
Giving you the wardec will allow you to attack those suiciding you, and dumb goons who are flying around in empire. That's about it, we are not gonna send some 200+ man op up into empire to cleanse you, because really, how stupid does that sound?
Is that a trick question? Cuz I've heard this story of a 200+ man gang and a saber...
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flakeys
Tier 3 Technologies Inc
Lazy is our middle name
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Posted - 2008.03.03 18:44:00 -
[313]
Originally by: Vladimir Griftin
Originally by: Cipher7
Yeah I lol'd too.
They should advertise the game with "b*tch we gonna gank you!" because that's really more accurate and honest than "Eve is a world where everybody can pursue their own playstyle blah blah blah."
Oh stop being so wet
Stop being s·ch a 'one-liner-ass' and just leave a decent commont like others who don't agree with him do.
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Nasta443
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Posted - 2008.03.03 18:49:00 -
[314]
Originally by: Cipher7
From the Official Eve Player Guide :
Hey can you post something about epic massive fleet battles too?
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Nasta443
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Posted - 2008.03.03 18:51:00 -
[315]
Originally by: flakeys
Ever considered some people don't sit in empire semi afk mining/hauling because they are too scared of low sec?When i didn't have a job , wife and kid i played alllll day and night.I have lived in 0.0 at those times.
Nowadays if i can only game if i need to stay behind the computer my playtime is limited to what...20 minutes a day tops?And i know there are a lot of older players like me.Those are the ones that get fedd up with this and just cancel the sub and move.
Well then. If you don't have time to play the game you'd be better off canceling. Cuz 20 minutes in eve aint even foreplay. If ccp cared they'd make missions shorter and split rooms across mulitiple part missions so you can actually do something in a more casual way.
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Cipher7
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Posted - 2008.03.03 18:53:00 -
[316]
Originally by: flakeys
Why not make it all 0.0 then?
Bingo.
Lets cut out the cutesy "sandbox world where all playstyles are possible" crap.
Make the whole thing 0.0 and lets do away with the false advertising.
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Cipher7
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Posted - 2008.03.03 18:59:00 -
[317]
Originally by: Nasta443
Originally by: Cipher7
From the Official Eve Player Guide :
Hey can you post something about epic massive fleet battles too?
I will, just as soon as epic massive fleet battles become possible.
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Cipher7
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Posted - 2008.03.03 19:02:00 -
[318]
Originally by: Nasta443
Well then. If you don't have time to play the game you'd be better off canceling. Cuz 20 minutes in eve aint even foreplay.
Yeah you're right, I think %90 of Eve should just consider canceling.
Because if you're not unemployed and obese, you're just not hardcore enough to hang.
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Heavyn
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Posted - 2008.03.03 19:20:00 -
[319]
Edited by: Heavyn on 03/03/2008 19:20:55
I can make this simple for everybody...and even from multiple threads.
although I dont like what GS is doing (having been one of the ones that lost) it is fair to say that is allowed until the Gods that be do something.
But the simple fact is, as far as I know, I'm the only one paying my sub fees, who the hell are some of you people to tell me to play 'your' game. I play my game....period, and not to please you. So dont tell me (or anyone else that you arent paying for) to come to 0.0, you'd gripe at the overpopulation, and dont tell me (or anyone else your not paying for) to stop being the bad guy...if you do, your an idiot
What i'd like to see, quite honestly (and this really is not said out of hostility from losing a hulk, I could care less) is a statement from an actual leader...I'd love to know what the motive is behind it, for the simple fact is, it's unique. Economic? do you have too many BPC's, idle BPO's, moon minerals? I'm tired of reading through 8 pages of peon 'bees' trying to justify that which they probably dont have a clue why they are doing it. Lets hear from the actual minds behind the monster!!
oh yea, my views are my own only, I'll admit, it was an alt account that lost the hulk...no views here except my own, and I accept my own consequenses. (bad speller btw.)
I'm Heavyn, fear me...someday
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Bart ForHire
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Posted - 2008.03.03 19:31:00 -
[320]
Everyone keeps saying to Wardec Goons, but most of their gank squads are quiting corp so they can be seen, so wardec will not help.
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FastJack316
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.03.03 19:36:00 -
[321]
Originally by: Bart ForHire
Everyone keeps saying to Wardec Goons, but most of their gank squads are quiting corp so they can be seen, so wardec will not help.
This is a complete lie as one glance at the jihadswarm killboard linked several times during the thread including the op will show.
Secret info: Goonswarm guys are posting all their kills there because there's a prize for most hulks killed.
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Nasta443
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Posted - 2008.03.03 19:45:00 -
[322]
Originally by: Cipher7
Originally by: Nasta443
Originally by: Cipher7
From the Official Eve Player Guide :
Hey can you post something about epic massive fleet battles too?
I will, just as soon as epic massive fleet battles become possible.
But the official marketing blurb says they already are!
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Nasta443
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Posted - 2008.03.03 19:49:00 -
[323]
Edited by: Nasta443 on 03/03/2008 19:50:26
Originally by: Cipher7
Yeah you're right, I think %90 of Eve should just consider canceling.
Because if you're not unemployed and obese, you're just not hardcore enough to hang.
No employment status or weight gives you the rights to fly in a bubble of invulnerability in empire. Specially not if you are making isks. (Exceptions can be made perhaps if you are morbidly fat and threaten people that you'll send them naked pictures)
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flakeys
Tier 3 Technologies Inc
Lazy is our middle name
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Posted - 2008.03.03 19:50:00 -
[324]
Originally by: Nasta443
Originally by: flakeys
Ever considered some people don't sit in empire semi afk mining/hauling because they are too scared of low sec?When i didn't have a job , wife and kid i played alllll day and night.I have lived in 0.0 at those times.
Nowadays if i can only game if i need to stay behind the computer my playtime is limited to what...20 minutes a day tops?And i know there are a lot of older players like me.Those are the ones that get fedd up with this and just cancel the sub and move.
Well then. If you don't have time to play the game you'd be better off canceling. Cuz 20 minutes in eve aint even foreplay. If ccp cared they'd make missions shorter and split rooms across mulitiple part missions so you can actually do something in a more casual way.
Read up dude i just DID cancel my accounts.And for your reasoning , i was able to play for a few hours at least a night but divide my time in docking/emptying hulk then start back mining and having fun with my son/wife.Now if i need to dock every time something interupts and i need to leave the screen then i'd get the playtime mentioned above.But hey i wouldn't expect any of the schoolboys/unemployed and people who really shouldn't be married and have kids in the first place to understand what i am saying.
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dakari
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Posted - 2008.03.03 19:53:00 -
[325]
Originally by: Heavyn
Edited by: Heavyn on 03/03/2008 19:20:55
I can make this simple for everybody...and even from multiple threads.
although I dont like what GS is doing (having been one of the ones that lost) it is fair to say that is allowed until the Gods that be do something.
But the simple fact is, as far as I know, I'm the only one paying my sub fees, who the hell are some of you people to tell me to play 'your' game. I play my game....period, and not to please you. So dont tell me (or anyone else that you arent paying for) to come to 0.0, you'd gripe at the overpopulation, and dont tell me (or anyone else your not paying for) to stop being the bad guy...if you do, your an idiot
What i'd like to see, quite honestly (and this really is not said out of hostility from losing a hulk, I could care less) is a statement from an actual leader...I'd love to know what the motive is behind it, for the simple fact is, it's unique. Economic? do you have too many BPC's, idle BPO's, moon minerals? I'm tired of reading through 8 pages of peon 'bees' trying to justify that which they probably dont have a clue why they are doing it. Lets hear from the actual minds behind the monster!!
oh yea, my views are my own only, I'll admit, it was an alt account that lost the hulk...no views here except my own, and I accept my own consequenses. (bad speller btw.)
I'm Heavyn, fear me...someday
Honestly, I'm one of the people who will stick to empire until I can afford to move deeper in.
I stopped playing 3 years ago due to the release of WoW, came back about 2 months ago because WoW has gotten boring.
3 years ago I was a miner with a builder alt and at the end of third month I played I was based in 0.2 space in a low traffic route that had a lab that I could research my BPO's and build my stuff.The only problem I had really was moving stuff to 0.5 to sell it but with the amount of money I was making from selling ships and items and the ease at which I got most of the minerals made it a fair trade off to lose a ship every other day.
Now that I am back, I have no money and needed to "regear" my characters into hulks and whatnot I am sticking to empire until I have a nice wallet and a few ships to burn through and losing 170mil would not be such a big deal.
Way off point, but it's a little bit of background on me, I liked the dodging of pirates and privateers, I liked the feeling of proving myself smarter at the game of cat and mouse than the people who happened to come across me while I was in low security, but as I learned and have read on these forums it's almost the exact same in empire, you have to watch your assets and take precautions.
I think what goonswarm is doing is like west virginia hillbillies inbreeding and saying "hey pappy who is also my brother and uncle, how about we go gank us some miners and drive up low grade mineral prices!!".
It's a dumb idea and will only make more enemies for them in the long run, not just the miners, but anyone who has to buy large quantities of low grade minerals.
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Nasta443
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Posted - 2008.03.03 19:57:00 -
[326]
Originally by: flakeys
Now if i need to dock every time something interupts and i need to leave the screen then i'd get the playtime mentioned above.
Welcome to eve.
Quote:
But hey i wouldn't expect any of the schoolboys/unemployed and people who really shouldn't be married and have kids in the first place to understand what i am saying.
I know enough people that have put eve to rest out of real life and family commitments. Sometimes it's the right thing to do.
I've also read (on the internets!) some married woman posting complaining that her kids meals interferred with her wow raiding and that they (parents) had managed to minimize disruption by feeding the kids frozen dinners.
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Nasta443
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Posted - 2008.03.03 20:05:00 -
[327]
Originally by: dakari
It's a dumb idea and will only make more enemies for them in the long run, not just the miners, but anyone who has to buy large quantities of low grade minerals.
They don't care and are second in the Hate List after bob. And by creating all this racket I wouldn't be surprised if they created another yihad campaign once this is over.
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flakeys
Tier 3 Technologies Inc
Lazy is our middle name
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Posted - 2008.03.03 20:09:00 -
[328]
Originally by: Nasta443
Originally by: flakeys
Now if i need to dock every time something interupts and i need to leave the screen then i'd get the playtime mentioned above.
Welcome to eve.
Tell me then why was i able to play this game the way i did for years till the suicidegankstars started a month or 4 back with a huge increase with the goons last weeks? Your message should be : WELCOME TO THE NEW EVE ... and no thanks CYA
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Dorsnefran II
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Posted - 2008.03.03 20:19:00 -
[329]
And when all the Exhumers are gone who will be doing the mining to supply the market with the necessary raw materials for building the produce. What use is a market that will be so extortionately inflated that no one will be able to afford to buy what few resources are left... Get real ... So Hi Sec is only safer, accepted but indiscriminate terrorist acts should have an equal cost to the ones bringing about the anarchistic exploits of the giant Corps/Alliances ...
What say all miners simply stop mining and everyone just PvP their way in to oblivion ... I wonder how long that would take to come about ... one thing for sure it is a certainty if such things go unchecked or at least with a more realistic and timely support from the Concord to even the playing field some.
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Ryan Scouse'UK
omen.
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.03.03 20:26:00 -
[330]
Originally by: Syniztur
Originally by: Dimagus
While not politically correct, here is a chart explaining the risk in EVE:
0.0 = International Waters
0.1-0.4 = Middle East
0.5-1.0 = US High School
Infer the comparisons for pirates and suicide gankers at your own discretion.
This... was... Brilliant!!!
The man is correct - this is 1 of most amusen thing ever to come on EG - we have some very witty people on here ;)
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