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Draeca Combat-Evolved	Posted - 2008.03.02 21:33:00 - [151] It's not wrong if it's fun.
Chirruper	Posted - 2008.03.02 21:35:00 - [152] Originally by: Channa ErOs And TBH the next idiot who says that CCP has no interest in a non-PvP game try and tell me why so many aspects of EvE have nothing to do with PvP? Counter Strike is PvP, EvE isn't 100% PvP... ((Missions, Market, Trading, etc)) Trading and Market are not PvE, they are "nonviolent" PvP. Who do you think you're undercutting?
Wayson Minmatar Trans Nebula Inc. The Threshold	Posted - 2008.03.02 21:46:00 - [153] Right, wrong, it doesn't matter. The point is they're doing it. ___ Victory smiles upon those who anticipate the changes in the character of war, not upon those who wait to adapt themselves after they occur. ~Guilio Douhet
000Hunter000 Gallente Missiles 'R' Us	Posted - 2008.03.02 21:52:00 - [154] As of yet, there arn't many complaints from miners beeing suicided by Goonies, but u can bet ur ass that ccp will do something about it if the whinefests go out of hand (which might happen if they take it too far) _______________________________________________________ CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!!
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.03.02 21:53:00 - [155] Originally by: ZerKar Personally I would like to see this Goonswarm crapfest result in a freeze on mining and industrail work in all of Empire. Just everyone cease what you are doing for awhile. After all, they are making it too expensive to be worth your time anyway right? Let that Freeze last a fair while and see what it does to the economy. Watch the newbs drop like flies as the pricess of things slowly climb. Watch the isk sellers get super rich selling now beautifully "limited" isk for very high pricesses to all those folks who need to keep buying all those expensive modules and ships. It would be great fun to watch some large portion of EvE just shut right down. Good idea. Dectuple my mining income - THAT will make me hate goons SO MUCH. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Valkazm Amarr Knights of Tiberius Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2008.03.02 22:06:00 - [156] Well the jihad seems to be succesful when the infidels are scared ! ....................................... Signature Breaking Eve news
a panda	Posted - 2008.03.02 22:10:00 - [157] Quote: How many ehps can you get on a tanked up hulk? Just over 27,000 ehp ( thats without mining upgrades )
Lougra Gallente	Posted - 2008.03.02 22:16:00 - [158] Originally by: Silam Ryder Originally by: Zeba Alot of crap Hmmm you speak of mining in highsec yielding 50 - 100 mil a hour. How do you do that? Id like to know as ive been mining since forever and you clearly know a secret I dont know. You speak of sweet carebear tears, have you ever figured what would happend if noone buildt stuff in this game? No then go get a clue. You also mentioned some great tank the hulk can have? Well instead of flaming all carebears perhaps you can make a post here with that fitting and what lvl required and what lvl recomended for each skill? How old are you btw? You forgot to tell for the needed ammount for that tanking ability. Carebear is the surname that others gives you, if you enjoy to play eve, in other way than the rest want YOU to play it.
Dai Nau Mothership Connection Inc. GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.02 22:24:00 - [159] 420
Doonoo Boonoo Amarr	Posted - 2008.03.02 23:07:00 - [160] Confirming I have 4 ships that I sold on GF killboard. Keep it up.

Kong iverz Gallente	Posted - 2008.03.02 23:08:00 - [161] Down with the sickness AHHH AHHH BOOOM BOOOM
hundurinn Wreckless Abandon Un-Natural Selection	Posted - 2008.03.02 23:18:00 - [162] I'm gona watch minerals prices closely. May be only a drop in the ocean but it would be interesting if these kills affect the normal fluxuation of ice and mineral prices.
Jmanis Catharg Caldari Stickler inc	Posted - 2008.03.02 23:27:00 - [163] I always love seeing new stuff like this hitting the game. It keeps it interesting :)
Alerdo	Posted - 2008.03.02 23:32:00 - [164] A fair solution to this problem would be to stop paying insurance for ships destroyed by Concord. That would not stop all high sec ganking but it would surely make the attackers choose their pray more carefuly.
Corstaad	Posted - 2008.03.02 23:36:00 - [165] This just me but I've generaly noticed the PvE crowd is actually the younger bunch. Most of the players from other heavy PvP games have played the PvE stuff into the ground and want no part of it anymore. In fact my old corp from another game was all Mud people . Its not 13 year olds or 36 year old hermits. Its people that been there done that so like anything else sometimes it you might want to listen to them rather then label them.
Cpt Branko Surge. Night's Dawn	Posted - 2008.03.02 23:39:00 - [166] Goonswarm is doing a good job. All the Elite Mining Barges shouldn't be stripping high-sec belts! ;) Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Merin Ryskin FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.03 00:03:00 - [167] You know, I've listened to the other side here, and I want to take back my previous post. Goonswarm's griefing tactics are completely unfair, and have no place in EVE. Goonswarm is entirely wrong, and should be forced to either change their tactics or suffer permanent bans. Limiting the kills to Hulks is completely unfair to all the non-Hulk carebears that need to die. Goonswarm, start killing more people or I will petition you!
Cpt Branko Surge. Night's Dawn	Posted - 2008.03.03 00:05:00 - [168] Originally by: Merin Ryskin You know, I've listened to the other side here, and I want to take back my previous post. Goonswarm's griefing tactics are completely unfair, and have no place in EVE. Goonswarm is entirely wrong, and should be forced to either change their tactics or suffer permanent bans. Limiting the kills to Hulks is completely unfair to all the non-Hulk carebears that need to die. Goonswarm, start killing more people or I will petition you! Come to think of it, you're right, their selectiveness is so unfair. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Bart ForHire	Posted - 2008.03.03 00:29:00 - [169] Edited by: Bart ForHire on 03/03/2008 00:30:42 Edited by: Bart ForHire on 03/03/2008 00:30:11 I as so very tired of all the pirates in the game Saying ôFight or Leaveö. I think all carebears should all cancel their accounts in March, or April of 2008 to protest. CCP for 5 years, almost always, takes the pirates side in most things. CCP needs to know that there are enough of us that they need to listen. Put ôI am a carebearö in the reason for leaving. If the pirates want us gone, then we should leave, and let CCP find if they can run the game without all of us. Enough is enough. Time for the Carebears to Roar.
Merin Ryskin FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.03 00:35:00 - [170] Originally by: Bart ForHire I as so very tired of all the pirates in the game Saying ôFight or Leaveö. I think all carebears should all cancel their accounts in March, or April of 2008 to protest. CCP for 5 years, almost always, takes the pirates side in most things. CCP needs to know that there are enough of us that they need to listen. Put ôI am a carebearö in the reason for leaving. If the pirates want us gone, then we should leave, and let CCP find if they can run the game without all of us. Enough is enough. Time for the Carebears to Roar. Goodbye. Can I have your stuff? I don't have an industrial alt at the moment, but with all my competition leaving, now would be a good time to start one. And if I get all your stuff, I won't even have to work at it to go straight into profitable business.

Bart ForHire	Posted - 2008.03.03 00:42:00 - [171] Edited by: Bart ForHire on 03/03/2008 00:44:21
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.03 00:45:00 - [172] I like all the whines about how CCP should do something. The thing that makes Eve great is you don't need CCP to do something. There are so many things that you can do on your own to prevent this. Your safety it not CCPs job, it is your own. If it is really that enraging, fight back. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.03 01:00:00 - [173] Then I'm on the right track. Now I just need to beat your Libya and Iran. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Dynast	Posted - 2008.03.03 01:06:00 - [174] I doubt CCP is frothing at the bit to change anything just yet; this is a self-correcting problem. Anyone who has actually dropped their security status into the deep negatives knows the score -- it takes for *&#$ing ever to raise it. "Just a few weeks" is a few weeks in a video game. That's practically forever. And if you decide to do some more suicide ganking, you're back to square one. End result, for every day of serious hulk-ganking, you need to spend at leak 7-10 days of ratting in 0.0, which means that while a group of people can make a huge splash at the start.. in the long run, they can only do so much damage over the months, and the whole thing will blow over. Now.. if this ballooned into a Privateer sized orgy of miner-killing, then maybe something might change. But I doubt it. If anything changed, it'd be CCP devoting a few more GM man-hours to examining logs to swat anyone using throwaway alts.
Bart ForHire	Posted - 2008.03.03 01:08:00 - [175] Edited by: Bart ForHire on 03/03/2008 01:09:26 Originally by: An Anarchyyt I am not saying "fight or leave". I could care less if you leave or not. I am saying, your safety is in your hands, and you have no one to blame but yourself for the loss of your ship. Yes, fighting back is one option. However, there are many solutions that don't involve fighting, you can just take some precautions. Move to a less populous area, set us to -10 so you can easily see us coming into local. Don't go AFK while mining. Stay aligned. Fit a better tank. Etc etc. You made your Point, You Don't Care about other player, why should other players care what you want to make them do. But maybe we should instead stand and make CCP ban You. But that would make us like you, and EVE would be a Bad place to Play.
Komen Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.03.03 01:09:00 - [176] CCP have stated that knowingly attacking a neutral target within high security with enough force to destroy the target before concord shows up, is legitimate gameplay and 'within the bounds' of the intended functioning of the rules. Since your question is posited on whether this is within bounds, then no, there is nothing wrong with Goons using their massive resources to suicide-gank exhumers. If you ask this out of personal stake, I'd suggest you dock up for a while until Goons find some other way to amuse themselves (assuming this didn't come to your attention via being ganked, in which case, my condolences on the loss). Hope this helps. Trinity Nova Mercenary Services Web Site - Nominated for the 2008 E-ON Magazine Awards
Lyria Skydancer Amarr Home 0f Bored Occultists	Posted - 2008.03.03 01:11:00 - [177] Originally by: Relaed Is it wrong for the Largest Alliance in the game to be able to use their overwhelming resources from 0.0. to build and suicide Battleships, just to harrass and ruin the game experience in empire space, for some many people, those that don't want to take part in 0.0 affairs? It is wrong. Haha. Game experience is sitting afk mining? I think they are doing a great job cleaning up the lame miners. Maybe miners should be forced to watch their screen while making money. Keep it up goons. -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.03 01:12:00 - [178] Originally by: Bart ForHire You made your Point, You Don't Care about other player, why should other players care what you want to make them do. But maybe we should instead stand and make CCP ban You. But that would make us like you, and EVE would be a Bad place to Play. I don't really think you understand. We're not doing anything against the rules. And no one is forcing you to do anything. If you don't want to do anything about it, that is fine too. But every action has its consequence. This is Eve, where non-consensual PvP has been a cornerstone since launch day. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Bart ForHire	Posted - 2008.03.03 01:23:00 - [179] Edited by: Bart ForHire on 03/03/2008 01:24:26 Originally by: An Anarchyyt I don't really think you understand. We're not doing anything against the rules. And no one is forcing you to do anything. If you don't want to do anything about it, that is fine too. But every action has its consequence. This is Eve, where non-consensual PvP has been a cornerstone since launch day. Yes your Are trying to Force players to Stop Miningin highsec or Fight. A thugs alway says that i didn't break any laws. But they are Still Thugs, the kind that steal for the old, because the care, and make easy prey. You have almost unlimited ISK from Lowsec mining and Pirating. No on else that has lived in Highsec can match you Spending, so Yes you will win every time. And Drive More players, that are not of our mind set, from the game. at least for a while.
Fofalus III ELEMENTS	Posted - 2008.03.03 01:29:00 - [180] Originally by: Bart ForHire Yes your Are trying to Force players to Stop Miningin highsec or Fight. A thugs alway says that i didn't break any laws. But they are Still Thugs, the kind that steal for the old, because the care, and make easy prey. You have almost unlimited ISK from Lowsec mining and Pirating. No on else that has lived in Highsec can match you Spending, so Yes you will win every time. And Drive More players, that are not of our mind set, from the game. at least for a while. Failure of a comparison. Thugs break the law by stealing. Goons break no rule. Quit QQing its not gonna change. Die or adapt and I hope you die.



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