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Jaedan Chantes LiveTech Cold Fusion Syndicate	Posted - 2008.03.17 16:12:00 - [661] While I don't agree with what they're doing, if I think of it in a different light like "Hmm...that's less competition for me!" then it doesn't irk me as much. Plus, it looks like they have gotten some macroers out of this. Not sure how many are actually macroers they've hit compared to amount of real miners that have been hit. --- "Dear CCP, Could you change the name of the game to EvE - Offline ?"
Van Nuyss Perkone	Posted - 2008.03.17 17:06:00 - [662] From what ive seen In Jaschercis, they have left the macro miners alone and went after the Real Miners. How i know this? After watching the action in my covert ops. The macros sit there mining away as the goons light up local with smack and pop the real miners in the ice belt. I think it sucks. I know plenty of people that spent their training on industry and mining, not PVP. As for them its tough to get into the 0.0 as the Goons say they should with only mining and industry as a background. And how can these guys fight back? Far as im concerned its an exploit of the game mechanics. All they can hope for all 5K goons loose there sec stat to get in and have to leave to rat it back up in 0.0. Or quit playing eve. Just my opinion Nuyss
Celeste Coeval The Gosimer and Scarab	Posted - 2008.03.17 17:26:00 - [663] keep up the purge goons Originally by: Death Kill Go travel or live in the rainforest if neccesary, just dont turn to religion as its a cul de sac.
Eventy One Magellan Exploration and Survey	Posted - 2008.03.17 17:36:00 - [664] Originally by: Decker Jones I think you need to stop your whining. You are never safe in eve, this is the #1 lesson of the game. Not even in station?
Poppy Star Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.03.17 17:42:00 - [665] riiiight. So, goons blow up as many miners as possible, they or another large alliance then bring in their own, fleet style mining ops. Once established, no miners who AREN'T in their band of buddies gets nuked. Large alliances then control great swathes of high-sec AND low-sec AND 0.0. Now they control ore prices, which leads to controlling module, ship and rig prices. Fans of goon will say "so why don't you gang together and take them on?" hmm. Massive alliances decide to push up prices everywhere, new players either join alliance and become drones for them with little to no free will or die repeatedly then leave EVE. End result, 2 fat b.a5tard.5 sitting in their mommys basements run EVE. Oh goody
Ogul ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.03.17 18:03:00 - [666] I am sure the amount of whine in this thread will make the goons reconsider. --- Don't put your trust in revolutions. They always come around again. That's why they're called revolutions. People die, and nothing changes.
Ryan Scouse'UK omen. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.17 18:23:00 - [667] I Dont live in empire - so Cant say I care.
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.03.17 18:27:00 - [668] ITS GOONSWARM! If you see 80 people jump into the system all at once and your in a hulk then dock.
Darwin Duck Ark Royals	Posted - 2008.03.17 20:01:00 - [669] From what I've read here I only see one problem, and I might even have missunderstood it all. But the way I understand it is: If player A,B and C are out groupmining in high sec and someone come in to suicide-attack player A, then player B and C can't open fire on the Kamakazi pilot. All they can do is shield and armor rep player A If this is correct it's weak. Other than that I see no problem.
Malbolge Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.03.17 20:04:00 - [670] Nothing wrong with a lack of safety as long as it's reciprocal. Therefore I propose that the shields and hps of all Goon industrial POSes be the same as that of a handful of mackinaws. Or let them fit a tank at the cost of having to be refueled every 2 hours. There might be a few whines, in which case I would suggest they should stfu and adapt, and roundly be made fun of too. Because everybody knows that in hardcore sandbox pvp games things like good game design are not important.
Amarth Thargan Kinda'Shujaa	Posted - 2008.03.19 08:20:00 - [671] First of all, if you don't like a game, quit it. Whining but keeping on paying will only make the developers richer. Secondly the whole i'm hardcore and you're a carebear thing is rediculous. It's a game, you go really fast pewpew, the other does it slower or from a bad angel and loses (you can change pewpew with dice-roll, mouseclick,etc. Whatever mechanics you favor). Only thing you lose is ingame cash\ loot\ equip\ exp. The one thing that makes you a succesfull mmo player is balancing your time invested against frustration due to time lost, nothing more, nothing less. About the gank issue. Build more ships than they do, stalk em, kill em, loot their corpses and burn their villages. Poison their wells ans steal their cattle, heck give their starbase-adresses to local cult missionaries and various companies that specialise in home to home marketing, tupperware em to oblivion...anyway you get the point. To be honest, i can't be bother to ever start doing that. I just tend to move on to something new instead of getting needlessly worked up about a game. PS: if the games allow for certain things to get exploited, there is nothing preventing you from looking for counters ofcourse>
Gate Bait	Posted - 2008.04.04 13:22:00 - [672] The previous poster is right. I canÆt allow myself to be wrapped up in the loss of my Hulk. IÆm part of a small corp. with just a few players and do not have the resources to seek revenge, however I will way in on this discussion by saying this: Real world Money is what keeps Eve afloat, if through EveÆs continued growth the majority of player subscriptions ever become PVE heavy then you can bet that CCP will make changes to protect their PVE user revenue stream, which could very likely mean the elimination of PVP combat in certain areas such as a asteroid belt. For me, mining is no longer a game feature available to me; it has effectively become an un-implemented feature that is still in beta until the war regarding its implementation is over. One thing is certain, there are other games out there and you can bet that there will come a day when Eve has some serious competition from a game that provides a more PVE friendly gaming experience. When that happens, you can bet Eve will make whatever changes are necessary to prevent player hemorrhage if the scenario described above transpires. Until then I say let the Goons have their fun, they will eventually learn that their strategy is so intra-game short sided that they will discover that they are their own worst enemy.
Vinchester	Posted - 2008.04.04 13:26:00 - [673] Originally by: Gate Bait The previous poster is right. I canÆt allow myself to be wrapped up in the loss of my Hulk. IÆm part of a small corp. with just a few players and do not have the resources to seek revenge, however I will way in on this discussion by saying this: Real world Money is what keeps Eve afloat, if through EveÆs continued growth the majority of player subscriptions ever become PVE heavy then you can bet that CCP will make changes to protect their PVE user revenue stream, which could very likely mean the elimination of PVP combat in certain areas such as a asteroid belt. For me, mining is no longer a game feature available to me; it has effectively become an un-implemented feature that is still in beta until the war regarding its implementation is over. One thing is certain, there are other games out there and you can bet that there will come a day when Eve has some serious competition from a game that provides a more PVE friendly gaming experience. When that happens, you can bet Eve will make whatever changes are necessary to prevent player hemorrhage if the scenario described above transpires. Until then I say let the Goons have their fun, they will eventually learn that their strategy is so intra-game short sided that they will discover that they are their own worst enemy. wanna pve? PLAY WOW. ITS THAT SIMPLE. gosh.. u carebears make baby Jesus cry.
Gate Bait Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.04.04 13:38:00 - [674] Edited by: Gate Bait on 04/04/2008 13:38:57 Originally by: Vinchester Originally by: Gate Bait The previous poster is right. I canÆt allow myself to be wrapped up in the loss of my Hulk. IÆm part of a small corp. with just a few players and do not have the resources to seek revenge, however I will way in on this discussion by saying this: Real world Money is what keeps Eve afloat, if through EveÆs continued growth the majority of player subscriptions ever become PVE heavy then you can bet that CCP will make changes to protect their PVE user revenue stream, which could very likely mean the elimination of PVP combat in certain areas such as a asteroid belt. For me, mining is no longer a game feature available to me; it has effectively become an un-implemented feature that is still in beta until the war regarding its implementation is over. One thing is certain, there are other games out there and you can bet that there will come a day when Eve has some serious competition from a game that provides a more PVE friendly gaming experience. When that happens, you can bet Eve will make whatever changes are necessary to prevent player hemorrhage if the scenario described above transpires. Until then I say let the Goons have their fun, they will eventually learn that their strategy is so intra-game short sided that they will discover that they are their own worst enemy. wanna pve? PLAY WOW. ITS THAT SIMPLE. gosh.. u carebears make baby Jesus cry. Thank you for proving my point about being short-sided. It only took 4 mins!
Nitemare111 Dark Horse Regiment Inc.	Posted - 2008.04.04 13:51:00 - [675] Okay, exhumer died? Outfit a BS with mining lasers, shield extenders, and cargo expanders. Gankers hate that, as they can't kill you fast enough. So you can't mine as fast. At least you get to take the ore home. Typhoon 4xMining Laser II 2x Assault or Heavy Launcher Tractor Salvager 1xC5L Booster 1xPeroxide Battery ?xlarge shield Extenders/Hardeners 7xCargo Expander II 3xCargo I Rigs ------ "When in doubt, aim for the crotch." "There's no problem that the application of suitable firepower cannot fix." Originally by: A Belief Nothing is yours until it's ISK in your wallet. So it goes.
Gate Bait	Posted - 2008.04.04 14:03:00 - [676] Originally by: Nitemare111 Okay, exhumer died? Outfit a BS with mining lasers, shield extenders, and cargo expanders. Gankers hate that, as they can't kill you fast enough. So you can't mine as fast. At least you get to take the ore home. Typhoon 4xMining Laser II 2x Assault or Heavy Launcher Tractor Salvager 1xC5L Booster 1xPeroxide Battery ?xlarge shield Extenders/Hardeners 7xCargo Expander II 3xCargo I Rigs Thanks for the suggestion, although I'm still stuck genenerating cash for ice products this will solve the ore problem.
Doonoo Boonoo	Posted - 2008.04.04 14:07:00 - [677] Originally by: Gate Bait For me, mining is no longer a game feature available to me; it has effectively become an un-implemented feature that is still in beta until the war regarding its implementation is over. Only because you can't set Goons to Red so they show up in local. Or get the info from the kill board on which Goons are doing this and add them to your adress book so you know if they are online. Because you can't run a locator agent to see where they are atm. Because you can't stay aligned to a station and be ready to dock as soon as you see them in local. It's not hard.There's no 'skill' involved.All you have to do is pay attention.
Shanur	Posted - 2008.04.04 14:11:00 - [678] Originally by: Gate Bait The previous poster is right. I canÆt allow myself to be wrapped up in the loss of my Hulk. IÆm part of a small corp. with just a few players and do not have the resources to seek revenge, however I will way in on this discussion by saying this: Real world Money is what keeps Eve afloat, if through EveÆs continued growth the majority of player subscriptions ever become PVE heavy then you can bet that CCP will make changes to protect their PVE user revenue stream, which could very likely mean the elimination of PVP combat in certain areas such as a asteroid belt. For me, mining is no longer a game feature available to me; it has effectively become an un-implemented feature that is still in beta until the war regarding its implementation is over. One thing is certain, there are other games out there and you can bet that there will come a day when Eve has some serious competition from a game that provides a more PVE friendly gaming experience. When that happens, you can bet Eve will make whatever changes are necessary to prevent player hemorrhage if the scenario described above transpires. Until then I say let the Goons have their fun, they will eventually learn that their strategy is so intra-game short sided that they will discover that they are their own worst enemy. One thing is certain. General chat will lose a lot of it's favorite whining topics if there's ever a ew PvE based scifi MMORPG coming out. EA might have been premature to milk E&B to death instead of rennovating it and offering it as a non PvP alternative to EVE. One look at posts like this proves there is definetely a market for such a game. And the rest of the EVE players sure won't miss them! Originally by: Malcanis -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Too many people confuse "Waah, I didn't get my own way" with 'poor customer service'. --
Commander 598 GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.04.04 15:35:00 - [679] I must know, if you really hate dealing with people so much why do you persist in playing games whose entire point is LOTS of other people?
Doonoo Boonoo Hedion University	Posted - 2008.04.04 16:54:00 - [680] Originally by: Commander 598 I must know, if you really hate dealing with people so much why do you persist in playing games whose entire point is LOTS of other people? It's not just you mate.They hate EVERYBODY! /hugs Commander 598
An Anarchyyt Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.04.04 16:54:00 - [681] Originally by: Gate Bait Until then I say let the Goons have their fun, they will eventually learn that their strategy is so intra-game short sided that they will discover that they are their own worst enemy. You really "get" Goons. Don't you? Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Gate Bait	Posted - 2008.04.04 17:34:00 - [682] Originally by: Doonoo Boonoo Edited by: Doonoo Boonoo on 04/04/2008 14:07:11 Originally by: Gate Bait For me, mining is no longer a game feature available to me; it has effectively become an un-implemented feature that is still in beta until the war regarding its implementation is over. Only because you can't be bothered to set Goons to Red so they show up in local. Or get the info from the kill board on which Goons are doing this and add them to your adress book so you know if they are online. Because you can't run a locator agent to see where they are atm. Because you can't stay aligned to a station and be ready to dock as soon as you see them in local. It's not hard.There's no 'skill' involved.All you have to do is pay attention. Once one removes all the distain an hatred from this reply, its actually good adivce and I thank you for it.
Zeba	Posted - 2008.04.04 17:42:00 - [683] I thought Jihadswarm turned out to be a massive pr stunt with moast of the kills being faked? Or is it just that cartoon guy thats claiming to be on all the kills but has no sec loss of note? Originally by: Malcanis Too many people confuse "Waah, I didn't get my own way" with 'poor customer service'.
Sgt Brasco	Posted - 2008.04.04 17:49:00 - [684] My stance: it is crazy that Goon swarm can come into 0.5+ and suicide gank ships and get the insurance - the getting of the insurance is the crazy part, and something that i personally feel CCP should address regardless of the current situation. BUT... What would happen if this was happening to mission runners rather than miners? Before someone jumps on this comment, it is hypothetical in that I know it would need different tactics, if possible at all. And I am aware that some mission runners get suicide ganked - but I'm talking about a major across the board suicide ganking regardless of whether the ship is faction fitted. *Do so many* people say quit the whining because they don't mine, and thus it doesn't immediately affect them? Are too many of us turning a blind eye, until it effects us - and then will it be too late?**
Gate Bait	Posted - 2008.04.04 18:13:00 - [685] Originally by: Zeba I thought Jihadswarm turned out to be a massive pr stunt with moast of the kills being faked? Or is it just that cartoon guy thats claiming to be on all the kills but has no sec loss of note? Don't know, but my kill was real enough. The attacker took advantage of an exploit or there's a bug somewhere. After it was over I had no kill rights. It's currently being investagted by CCP.
Zeba	Posted - 2008.04.05 04:13:00 - [686] Originally by: Gate Bait Edited by: Gate Bait on 04/04/2008 18:20:07 Originally by: Zeba I thought Jihadswarm turned out to be a massive pr stunt with moast of the kills being faked? Or is it just that cartoon guy thats claiming to be on all the kills but has no sec loss of note? Don't know, but my kill was real enough. The attacker took advantage of an exploit or there's a bug or something. After it was over I had no kill rights. It's currently being investagted by CCP. Digs out his /tinfoilhat BTW the logs show nothing. Originally by: Malcanis Too many people confuse "Waah, I didn't get my own way" with 'poor customer service'.

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