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Madelchai Gallente Stimulus The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.03.02 16:36:00 - [121] Nothing wrong with it far as I see. ------ Revolution. The only solution.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.02 16:36:00 - [122] In the real world, Goonswarm would be a megacorporation with orbital space stations, a security division that rivals the largest, and most technological armies. And, South America creeping all the way up into the US would be owned and operated by Goonswarm, and called the United Federation of Goons, where we wage our war on the rest of the world. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.03.02 16:38:00 - [123] Originally by: Dai Nau by the way those offers of safety in exchange for isk are legitimate offers of extortion and will be enforced Smart way to nullify griefing petitions. Nice. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Scout 99	Posted - 2008.03.02 16:39:00 - [124] Originally by: An Anarchyyt In the real world, Goonswarm would be a megacorporation with orbital space stations, a security division that rivals the largest, and most technological armies. And, South America creeping all the way up into the US would be owned and operated by Goonswarm, and called the United Federation of Goons, where we wage our war on the rest of the world. And sadly, you would still fail just as badly as you do in this game.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.02 16:42:00 - [125] It's true. I'm busy being camped in a station in Syndicate right now. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person
Karash Amerius Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.02 16:55:00 - [126] They are doing it just to try and force CCP to change their game to more carebear-ish mode (ie, no insurance for concord deaths). When your stated goal is the ruin the game, this seems to be an effective way of accomplishing that. CCP will change the insurance rules soon (im guessing) to no isk for concord deaths, and the game will be a much crappier game for it. "Fighting Broke" - An Ex-Merc Blog
Brainless Bimbo	Posted - 2008.03.02 16:57:00 - [127] Originally by: An Anarchyyt In the real world, Goonswarm would be a megacorporation with orbital space stations, a security division that rivals the largest, and most technological armies. And, South America creeping all the way up into the US would be owned and operated by Goonswarm, and called the United Federation of Goons, where we wage our war on the rest of the world. your confused GoonSwarm are the USofA who crept down and controlled South America, your vassals will eventually revolt.
Brainless Bimbo	Posted - 2008.03.02 17:03:00 - [128] Originally by: Karash Amerius They are doing it just to try and force CCP to change their game to more carebear-ish mode (ie, no insurance for concord deaths). When your stated goal is the ruin the game, this seems to be an effective way of accomplishing that. CCP will change the insurance rules soon (im guessing) to no isk for concord deaths, and the game will be a much crappier game for it. Alliance space has no Concord so why all the 0.0 dwelling grizzlybears moaning about the suggestion that Insurance should not be paid for willfull acts of terrorism, its intentional loss of a ship, its the intentional part that voids the insurance.
Sekhmet Orion Mandatory Suicide Incorporated	Posted - 2008.03.02 17:03:00 - [129] Edited by: Sekhmet Orion on 02/03/2008 17:03:07 Originally by: Karash Amerius When your stated goal is the ruin the game, this seems to be an effective way of accomplishing that. CCP will change the insurance rules soon (im guessing) to no isk for concord deaths, and the game will be a much crappier game for it. Isn't there enough threads in CAOD already where you and Goons can trade insults.
An Anarchyyt Gallente Battlestars GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.02 17:05:00 - [130] Originally by: Brainless Bimbo your confused GoonSwarm are the USofA who crept down and controlled South America, your vassals will eventually revolt. No, I don't own a confused. Originally by: CCP Wrangler Second, a gentile is a non jewish person

Brainless Bimbo	Posted - 2008.03.02 17:11:00 - [131] Originally by: An Anarchyyt Originally by: Brainless Bimbo your confused GoonSwarm are the USofA who crept down and controlled South America, your vassals will eventually revolt. No, I don't own a confused. As i said earlier: Originally by: Brainless Bimbo So it looks like they have read the neo-con manual on deception and propaganda as well as the corporate imperialism one.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.03.02 17:55:00 - [132] Originally by: Brainless Bimbo Originally by: Karash Amerius They are doing it just to try and force CCP to change their game to more carebear-ish mode (ie, no insurance for concord deaths). When your stated goal is the ruin the game, this seems to be an effective way of accomplishing that. CCP will change the insurance rules soon (im guessing) to no isk for concord deaths, and the game will be a much crappier game for it. Alliance space has no Concord so why all the 0.0 dwelling grizzlybears moaning about the suggestion that Insurance should not be paid for willfull acts of terrorism, its intentional loss of a ship, its the intentional part that voids the insurance. Like self-destructing...? CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Tortun Nahme Minmatar Heimatar Services Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.03.02 17:58:00 - [133] rule of thumb, everything goonswarm does is wrong, but it's a waste of breath to whine about it Originally by: Cecil Montague They should change that warning on entering low sec to: "Go read Crime and Punishment for a few days then come back."
Frisky Minx Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.03.02 18:04:00 - [134] Everyone rises to their level of incompetence...
Astiria X	Posted - 2008.03.02 18:07:00 - [135] There are a few Simple defense Tactics to use against any type of Suicide Ganking from the goonies. First Off if you haven't already done so...set there corporation/alliance to -10 standings both personal and corporate. This way you can readily and easily Identify them when they are in a system you are inhabiting. Now this is primarily for corps...if mining individually I hope you have friends because it will make life easier. 1) Post a watch: Have some corp mates sit on the opposite sides of the jump gates leading into the system you are mining. When a goonie comes into the system...then you have more then enough time to react and get out if the are deemed a threat. If your flying solo hire a noob or someone to do this for ya. Giving a Noob 1M ISK/hr to stand watch might be boring...but its easier then running lvl 1 mishes or mining in a rookie ship with a lot better payout. 2) Always be aligned for warp...exhumers move slowly so any advantage you will get to already be aligned will help you out tremendously 3) Make sure you Tank your ship. Forgo the mining upgrades for something else such as Armor and shield Tanking, If you can afford it (which most miners with Hulks can) Buy another Hulk and rig it for a tank. Later after this has all died down you can always sell it again for minimal losses 4) Get Concord already where your mining: Create a few noob characters and warp them into the belt where you are mining...then just have one attack another...the agression will pull Concord to that location to blow up the agressor ship. Well now Concord is sitting in your backyard while your mining. SO there response time to threats will be 0. Im not sure how long they will actually sit there...but I am pretty sure its like a few hours. Complaining about what Goonswarm is doing will get you nowhere. I agree with the fact that any ship destroyed by Concord should forfeit any insurance claim...but other then that they are taking advantage of game mechanics to suit their own purposes. Main thing is this. You are confronted with a challenge, just adapt to the situation. It just takes less whining and more planning. Oh and on another note...if your still skeered....COvetors are cheap and they can be insured
Robert0288 Caldari g guild Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.03.02 18:09:00 - [136] Goons : 140 Miners: 0 looks like a win to me, and all you people you complain its against the spirit of the game, Less exhumers = less mins = higher prices. Game function.
Sale gueule	Posted - 2008.03.02 18:27:00 - [137] Originally by: Robert0288 Goons : 140 Miners: 0 looks like a win to me, and all you people you complain its against the spirit of the game, Less exhumers = less mins = higher prices. Game function. Goons : 140 Miners : 0 Gallente ship manufacturers : 140 keep that in mind !! That s a good thing for me =)
Robert0288 Caldari g guild Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.03.02 18:34:00 - [138] Support goons, support the gallente ship industry?
Sale gueule	Posted - 2008.03.02 18:37:00 - [139] Definetly go goons GO !!!
MenanceWhite Amarr Fruit Fellatio	Posted - 2008.03.02 18:39:00 - [140] Originally by: Sale gueule Originally by: Robert0288 Goons : 140 Miners: 0 looks like a win to me, and all you people you complain its against the spirit of the game, Less exhumers = less mins = higher prices. Game function. Goons : 140 Miners : 0 Gallente ship manufacturers : 140 keep that in mind !! That s a good thing for me =) Goons : 140 Miners : 0 Goon ship manufacturers : 140 Hey do you need a new ship? What? no I already have a ship WELL NOW YOU DONT --- Originally by: Torfi There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses Originally by: Oveur

Anglo Minmatar Astral Mexicans	Posted - 2008.03.02 19:10:00 - [141] Originally by: Karash Amerius They are doing it just to try and force CCP to change their game to more carebear-ish mode (ie, no insurance for concord deaths). When your stated goal is the ruin the game, this seems to be an effective way of accomplishing that. CCP will change the insurance rules soon (im guessing) to no isk for concord deaths, and the game will be a much crappier game for it. only bob think that would ruin the game, then again arent all of u lads demoted into suicide gangs.. as in you die all the time ????
cal nereus Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.03.02 19:31:00 - [142] In response to the PR argument, I disagree. This is probably one of the only events that has improved Goonswarm's PR with the unrelated masses: which of course is not an objective of their's. They could care less about PR. Exhumer pilots... there's a very good reason why only a small minority of you are getting attacked by Goons. The majority of Exhumer pilots have avoided hot-spots and populated areas. In fact, when I was an empire miner () I made it a policy to mine in low-population systems. I'm surprised there are miners that aren't doing the same. If you can't be bothered to avoid high-population systems, then try to defend yourself in combat instead. You CAN do it. Or if you lack confidence in your ability to defend yourself, and still can't be bothered to avoid high-population systems, then try a group intel channel. You aren't the only one who wants to avoid getting ganked in high-sec. If you create and use an intel channel, maybe you can survive. Maybe. But if working with others is too difficult, then I suppose the best you can settle for is revenge. Use those deep pockets of yours and hire mercenaries to slap some Goons on the wrist. You miners... you have a lot of in-game options to defend yourself. Don't expect big Mommy-CCP to save you. Save yourselves. You CAN do it. You have the power. --- Join BH-DL Skills
Chirruper	Posted - 2008.03.02 19:32:00 - [143] Originally by: cal nereus Exhumer pilots... there's a very good reason why only a small minority of you are getting attacked by Goons. The majority of Exhumer pilots have avoided hot-spots and populated areas. I have learned a very important lesson from MMOs: Sheep will be sheep even if they are fish in a barrel.
Mysteriax Eve University	Posted - 2008.03.02 19:45:00 - [144] Edited by: Mysteriax on 02/03/2008 19:46:43 Originally by: Robert0288 Goons : 140 Miners: 0 looks like a win to me, and all you people you complain its against the spirit of the game, Less exhumers = less mins = higher prices. Game function. Huh why Miners 0? I'm sure we shot down 3 of there gank ships and I havent seen any losses in our corp so far yet.
ZerKar Caldari Zen'Tar	Posted - 2008.03.02 20:12:00 - [145] Personally I would like to see this Goonswarm crapfest result in a freeze on mining and industrail work in all of Empire. Just everyone cease what you are doing for awhile. After all, they are making it too expensive to be worth your time anyway right? Let that Freeze last a fair while and see what it does to the economy. Watch the newbs drop like flies as the pricess of things slowly climb. Watch the isk sellers get super rich selling now beautifully "limited" isk for very high pricesses to all those folks who need to keep buying all those expensive modules and ships. It would be great fun to watch some large portion of EvE just shut right down. +++++++++++++++ For the LAST time... Keep your UGLY Typhoon off my SEXY Hurricane
Burnharder	Posted - 2008.03.02 21:14:00 - [146] Originally by: MenanceWhite Goons : 140 Miners : 0 Gallente ship manufacturers : 140 Goons don't do math. If these are all suicide attacks, then -140.
Jhyme Amarr Igneus Auctorita	Posted - 2008.03.02 21:15:00 - [147] It's probably not for nothing-- a lot of macro exhumers with expanded cargoholds and cargo rigs have died. Ruining the game for players using bots really does deserve a carnal heavenly reward. Also goons have been known to shoot blues in 0.0 if they turn out to be $$ selling isk farmers. Furthermore,
Glassback Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.03.02 21:28:00 - [148] The fact that this can happen is the reason I play this game every day. G. LinkedIn
Wensbane Amarr Space Voyagers	Posted - 2008.03.02 21:31:00 - [149] Originally by: Glassback The fact that this can happen is the reason I play this game every day. Same here, actually.
Channa ErOs Rebuck Holdings	Posted - 2008.03.02 21:32:00 - [150] Originally by: Roger Douglas Edited by: Roger Douglas on 02/03/2008 09:12:57 Ya know, all you empire miners might actually be safer out in 0.0.... Recruiting forums are ---->>> that way. Lots of corps can use a larger industrial wing. Oh, and Hello Kitty Online Island Adventure is: <<<-------- That way. And as a shipbuilder and inventor I'm cheering goons all the way to the bank Having tried the PvP in Hello Kitty I have to be perfectly honest its far more brutal than the PvP in EvE. In EVE you know its all about a bunch of leet 13 years olds who take their pleasure by rogering you with their immature big guns... However in Hello Kitty its girls who do you over and they hurt far more. And TBH the next idiot who says that CCP has no interest in a non-PvP game try and tell me why so many aspects of EvE have nothing to do with PvP? Counter Strike is PvP, EvE isn't 100% PvP... ((Missions, Market, Trading, etc)) Channa ErOs - CEO



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