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Ademaro Imre Caldari	Posted - 2008.03.03 21:37:00 - [61] Originally by: PhantomMenace surfin the death tax has been around here in the crappy uk for a long time and has been rightly complained about for a long time , basically when you die and leave stuff, money etc to your family they have to pay tax on their gains even though the goverment has allready recieved tax on that money they want more , so it became known as death tax . In the uk now elderly people give their money to their family to hide for them so the corrupt goverment dont find out about it That is the same in the US. There is always controversy about it. The remaining income and assets have already been taxed. And when its alot, the Left in the US (Democrats, Socilist parties) want it taxed at a very high rate. What happens is - to pay the taxes, assets of the inheritance must be sold off. If the inheritance is say a 20 million dollar home, the home will have to be sold unless the children are already independently wealthy and can pay the taxes (yearly property taxes could force them to sell it also - but at least its rentable). If the inheritance is a business, assets or ownership may have to be sold in some cases. If its just isk, it basically free money for the government. The death tax is truly a tool of class warfare. If someone gets "lucky" by having their parents die in a car wreck and they inherit a lot of money, people on the left get jealous and think that is not "fair." In the US, the death tax even taxes the dead. Former President Clinton taxed dead people who already died, but implementing a a "retroactive" tax that increased taxes on time period before the law was enacted. The aim of politics is to keep the populace alarmed and clamorous to be saved by menacing it with imaginary hobgoblins. The urge to save humanity is a false front for the urge to rule it.
Cmdr Sy Appetite 4 Destruction INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.03.03 21:47:00 - [62] A gaming nation is a prepared nation. EVE CCG Trinity Booster
Ademaro Imre Caldari	Posted - 2008.03.03 21:52:00 - [63] Originally by: Cmdr Sy A gaming nation is a prepared nation. The aim of politics is to keep the populace alarmed and clamorous to be saved by menacing it with imaginary hobgoblins. The urge to save humanity is a false front for the urge to rule it.
AndrewRyan	Posted - 2008.03.04 00:53:00 - [64] Originally by: PhantomMenace good point bosie , andrewryan is bugging me now for the last time idiot semi auto shotguns and pumps are allowed in the uk on a section one firarm licence (not a shotgun licence), lots of people have them at my club and are still buying them . i never intended this to be debate on firearms , fact is guns dont kill its the person that does the shoting , i could place a loaded 357 on my desk loaded and it would wouldnt injure a fly unless some idiot picked it up and oulled the trigger Your an Imbecile I linked the relevant UK laws and even had to paraphrase them for you and you still keep talking rubbish, not only that your posting also displays that either a) English is not your native language and your not from England and your lying about owning guns in the UK or b) you have the intelligence level of "I am sam" and I doubt you would be issued any firearms licence in the UK. Now go read the fricken law before posting bull crap ========================================= A Man chooses, a slave obeys.
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Worms Corp	Posted - 2008.03.04 01:44:00 - [65] Jack Thomson is at risk right now of being disbarred. basicly there is a very good chance he will no longer be a Lawyer.
PhantomMenace Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.03.04 02:54:00 - [66] softrev , i agree with your comments on manhunt being banned i did check out the first one and coulent really get into it that did seem violence for the sake of violence and didnt seem to be much skill involved either , the 2nd manhunt they put the bolger clip in which i thought was an outrage and i doubt ill buy a rockstar game again over that . With regard to the health service , that could and should be better if it wasnt so abused , ive got releatives in the us who have dual natinal passports so anything serious they want done be it teeth or health related they just pop over here and get it done on the nhs even thought they have never payed into it and that should be stopped , the same with all the immigrants coming over (that will probly start another argument now) getting pregnant to stay in the country then getting free nhs treatment should be stopped , the nhs is simply abused so on the rare occasion i want nhs help i have to wait cos of all these freeloaders , ive allways worked and payed my way and never abused anything , well apart from my beer fridge
Araxmas An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three	Posted - 2008.03.04 03:12:00 - [67] Quote: at Virginia Tech University - similarly trained on Counter-Strike to rehearse for their killing sprees." I heard that the killer didn't play CS and the only game he played/owned was sonic. That true? -------- derek
Ixianus	Posted - 2008.03.04 04:50:00 - [68] It's times like this I wonder why threads like this don't get locked for political content. When any and every other thread that even thinks to mention anything gets locked.
SoftRevolution	Posted - 2008.03.04 11:53:00 - [69] Originally by: PhantomMenace softrev , i agree with your comments on manhunt being banned i did check out the first one and coulent really get into it that did seem violence for the sake of violence and didnt seem to be much skill involved either , the 2nd manhunt they put the bolger clip in which i thought was an outrage and i doubt ill buy a rockstar game again over that . With regard to the health service , that could and should be better if it wasnt so abused , ive got releatives in the us who have dual natinal passports so anything serious they want done be it teeth or health related they just pop over here and get it done on the nhs even thought they have never payed into it and that should be stopped , the same with all the immigrants coming over (that will probly start another argument now) getting pregnant to stay in the country then getting free nhs treatment should be stopped , the nhs is simply abused so on the rare occasion i want nhs help i have to wait cos of all these freeloaders , ive allways worked and payed my way and never abused anything , well apart from my beer fridge Ugh. I had no idea that they'd used the Bulger thing as marketing material. That's disgusting in it's own right and in general does nothing for the games industry. They've "apologised for any distress" apparently but ** only knows why they thought that was acceptable to begin with. I assume they didn't and it was just a way to generate newspaper column inches. Yeah. My heart bleeds for Rockstar. I think you're probably right about the NHS and people kicking the arse out of it. Dunno what you do about it. There's probably a wider debate there about inequality across the whole EU but in the short term it needs people to decide that it's OK for the NHS to be a bit selfish. EVE RELATED CONTENT**
kor anon Amarr Keepers of the Holy Bagel Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.04 15:19:00 - [70] IMHO we are missing the point by saying games or tv, etc are the prime cause of violence in our culture, we humans as a species are extremely violent and warlike, there have been countless times where we have in our past killed or committed genocide etc and we'll have many more instances in the future, its just the way we are. In most areas of our lives we are so very very similar to animals in the wild its scary when you analyse our own behavior and compare with the behavior of animals. btw im not saying we should hate ourselves nor am i saying that humanity sucks anus. I rather think that instead that these rules we impose on our behavior hinders our full potential (reason why I hold organised religion with contempt). the proofs in the pudding really as every major technological development has stemmed from a military need. (space race during cold war - stemmed from rocket technology from the germans during the war; the internet was developed in order to provide communication for the US army - computers for a similar reason) ponder on that mouthful
Sephra Star	Posted - 2008.03.04 16:10:00 - [71] Got news for ya. We have been having genocide of indiginous populations going on non-stop now for decades; not to mention the mass assassinations of intellectuals in nations targeted for coups. The United States is one gruesome guilty party when you expose it to the light.
Ademaro Imre Caldari	Posted - 2008.03.04 18:34:00 - [72] Originally by: Sephra Star Got news for ya. We have been having genocide of indiginous populations going on non-stop now for decades; not to mention the mass assassinations of intellectuals in nations targeted for coups. The United States is one gruesome guilty party when you expose it to the light. And yet, somehow your survived. The aim of politics is to keep the populace alarmed and clamorous to be saved by menacing it with imaginary hobgoblins. The urge to save humanity is a false front for the urge to rule it.
mama guru Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.04 19:18:00 - [73] Edited by: mama guru on 04/03/2008 19:19:47 Originally by: Ademaro Imre Edited by: Ademaro Imre on 03/03/2008 21:27:05 Edited by: Ademaro Imre on 03/03/2008 21:24:40 Originally by: Dan Glebitts Originally by: PhantomMenace the gun laws in the uk are the strictist in the world atm That would be Japan if memory serves. It helps that there entire culture loathes the mere concept of guns. Violent games creates violent individuals = lol Guns ARE designed to kill people. Thats why they were invented. And no human should own or operate a gun... It has no place in any respectable society. Japan is hardly a role model. When it comes to guns and gun control, Japan is a near dictator ship and police state in regards to monitoring anyone with a gun. If the police want to search your home in Japan, all they need to do is cite a "gun" reason and away they go. If they think you have a sword - that is reason enough for the police to go through your home. That's the secret about Japan, a police state masked in a democracy. Even if you are a legal hunter in Japan, expect the police to come and count your shells, more than once a year to make sure you are not shooting too much. And they won't need permission to walk in or call ahead of time. Japan's non-gun crime rate is also about 1.5% of the US. Its not that Japan hates guns. Their homogeneous culture respects laws. This is a nation where Japanese citizenship is a right of bloodline, not birthplace. After World War II, the US wrote the constitution for Japan, in part to make it passive. But it left the courts go and did not hammer out court attitudes. While the Japanese constitution says one thing, their courts accept wild deviations from it. Japan is a true nation-state set apart and unique amoung all other nations, states, and nation-states in the world. I believe, and many other people believe Japan is a police-state, but that is not an insult. Their culture is truly stunning. Their laws, and how they view, accept and enforce them is just one aspect of the Japanese culture. Oh well lets look where the direct oposit of japan went in terms of gun related crimes. I admire the japanese for the reasons you stated in this post, apart from the fact that they produce over 50% of all weird ** in the world. They are also extremely polite, both in japan and china. EDIT: to stay on topic, go right ahead and ban **ty, pointless games like GTA and manhunt etc. I dont mind that at all. But keep your hands off from gears of war and the like. EVE is like the "Fisherman's Friend" of MMOs. If it's too hard, you are too weak.
Isiskhan Gnostic Misanthropy	Posted - 2008.03.04 19:58:00 - [74] Originally by: mama guru EDIT: to stay on topic, go right ahead and ban ***ty, pointless games like GTA and manhunt etc. I dont mind that at all. No. Ban Jack Thompson instead, he awakens my murderous instincts. Not GTA or Manhunt. Offensive / violent culture being restricted to minors? Ok, possibly if done right. Banned to anyone and everyone anytime anywhere? Kindly fck off. No one is to impose their moral views on anyone else. To each their own, deal with it.
mama guru Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.04 20:20:00 - [75] Originally by: Isiskhan Originally by: mama guru EDIT: to stay on topic, go right ahead and ban ***ty, pointless games like GTA and manhunt etc. I dont mind that at all. No. Ban Jack Thompson instead, he awakens my murderous instincts. Not GTA or Manhunt. Offensive / violent culture being restricted to minors? Ok, possibly if done right. Banned to anyone and everyone anytime anywhere? Kindly fck off. No one is to impose their moral views on anyone else. To each their own, deal with it. Thats what i ment, i apologize for being unclear. EVE is like the "Fisherman's Friend" of MMOs. If it's too hard, you are too weak.
Isiskhan Gnostic Misanthropy	Posted - 2008.03.04 20:27:00 - [76] Originally by: SoftRevolution It's hard to have much sympathy for games like that not least because they because they make entire industry look bad. If you'd got something that attempted to progress the genre or even just a genuinely meant attempt at producing a good game that was attracting a media ** storm and unwarranted mumbling in Parliament then that would be more worth getting annoyed about. It only makes "the entire industry look bad" in the minds of morons. And their opinion should not matter. No one thinks that a bad film filled with gratituous and over-the-top sadistic violence makes the entire film industry look bad. No one should apologize for that sort of thing. It's only different with videogames because this industry is relatively new and people's natural instinct to point fingers, look for scape-goats and not take responsibility. I don't care if Manhunt's gameplay is a piece of crap or if it's trolling or not the holier-than-thou moral majority, government and sensationalist media. To start with, if they are able to troll / attention-*** them in this manner is because they have a problem, not the game developer. Stick a 18+ sticket into it or whatever and be done with it. Don't give it any unwarranted attention if it's not your cup of tea and let others mind their own business. As in the case of many gory B-movies, the point is precisely how over the top, offensive and gross you can get. It's not trying to be the Shakespeare of videogames, that's for sure, but that is ok.
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Worms Corp	Posted - 2008.03.05 00:03:00 - [77] video games are just the 21 century's Rock&roll, Heavy metal, Movies. basicly they are the current scapegoat for when things go wrong.
Cmdr Sy Appetite 4 Destruction INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.03.05 17:48:00 - [78] Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker video games are just the 21 century's Rock&roll, Heavy metal, Movies. basicly they are the current scapegoat for when things go wrong. Yeah, I hope I live long enough to see the same debate over holodecks. EVE CCG Trinity Booster
Xen Gin The Dragoons	Posted - 2008.03.06 00:03:00 - [79] Originally by: EvilWezal Im a Deputy Sheriff in America. I dont think video games make kids violent. Its the parents that are not PARENTING anymore. We get calls all the time from parents who cant control there kids. They want US to do something. We tell them to beat there little arses and be a parent. Its not our job. On the topic of gun control. I think all guns should be avaiable to the public. You are only FREE if you can back it up. Gun control is a slippery slope to a Dictactor. Just my 2 cents. Yeah, its not going to happen here in the UK. I'm really glad that the yobs and kids on the street don't carry guns on them. And no! I wouldn't be any safer if I had one too, you know why? Guns fire over a distance! It's an easy and impersonal way of hurting someone from a varying distance, as opposed to someone using a knife. Its also a good way to tell who the bad people are in this country, if they have a gun and they aren't the police(or Farmer Jones who doesn't live in an urban area anyway!) they aren't good.
Gneeznow Minmatar SniggWaffe	Posted - 2008.03.06 00:04:00 - [80] After a hard day of playing GTA San Andreas i like nothing more than to go town and jack some cars and cap some fools tbfh
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Worms Corp	Posted - 2008.03.06 00:25:00 - [81] Originally by: Gneeznow After a hard day of playing GTA San Andreas i like nothing more than to go town and jack some cars and cap some fools tbfh however jacking people in .4 feels just as good.....
Mighty Dread Minmatar	Posted - 2008.03.06 03:44:00 - [82] If the backlash against violence in video games is picking up momentum the gaming industry on a whole has itself to blame. Many video game developers and more so publishers know the cheapest route to the almighty dollar is to cater to humanity's most primitive desires. So they sensationalize violence and push the boundaries of common decency. They condition gamers to snatch up any game that promises a high body count and gruesome deaths. It's just so much easier to make guns and exploding heads than it is to create an engaging, thought provoking storyline and gameplay, a lot less risk involved too. Henry Rollins once commented on his show that he was sure the violent military based games being put out these days was just another part of some grand design to condition the masses for an upcoming real world apocalypse. Me, I can see how my parent's generation would look at many of today's video games with revulsion. They sang songs of love and unity, rallied against the Vietnam War, shouted "Power to the people!" and made love in the bushes. Many of today's (privileged) generation are glued in front of a computer or TV "p0wning n00bs" and telling people to STFU on forums.
Sharupak Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2008.03.06 03:49:00 - [83] Some good points the op made. The violent games debate is like getting bitten 700 times by a cobra and then getting **ed off because the snake ** on your boots. _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude.
Fink Angel Caldari The Merry Men	Posted - 2008.03.06 22:17:00 - [84] South Park says it all for me. Look everywhere for blame to avoid looking for the real roots of society's problems. "Should we blame the matches? Or should we blame the fire? Or the doctors who allowed him to expire?"
Arron S Gallente Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2008.03.06 22:18:00 - [85] This is not a country run by soccer moms like China is. Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Isuzo Khan	Posted - 2008.03.07 05:08:00 - [86] How about instead of "banning" things that have no legal right to be banned, we go ahead and educate people. You can't ban something like videogames in America, because it violates our right to freedom of expression and speech. That is like saying you cant write or distribute murder novels because they give people ideas. Maybe games desensitize us, but the way I view it, it makes us stronger and better able to deal with things. It does not make us heartless though, and if we were educated as to their effects and a better way to react to violent video games instead of people like jack tommie and soccer moms trying to keep "meanie-head things away from their boo-boo-babies" and just removing anything they dont like from existence, than adverse reactions to games wouldn't happen nearly as often. I am not going to say they would dissapear, because people get angry enough to kill people by getting cut off in traffic. If I want to play GTA and condemned, than I can and will. These people who I see trying to ban games are people who didn't grow up with them, and it seems like they are trying to find a scapegoat for the problems they see. I think about 99.9999999999999% of tragedies that have occured have happened without the presence of violent video games. They werent around during the holocaust, Stalin didn't play GTA, the US didnt drop the A-bombs because they got PO'd on Halo 3, come to think of it, I really can't think of anything bad that can be attributed to violent video games, besides an angry 10 year old on xbox live, and if parents dont want kids playing these games, maybe they should take an active role.
Tatsue Nuko Stimulus The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.03.07 13:01:00 - [87] To be completely honest, I think we should just drop the violent games debate alltogether and go after those games that are about perverse sexual practices, **ography and *glorification. You know, like Mass Effect, as FOX has paved the way nicely. (The link is to a parody of the FOX TV debate - youtube were threatened into dropping the real recording of it and I can't recall the name of the site that decided to ignore the threats.) And I'm actually semi-serious here. Have a look at the rating systems enforced in most countries regarding violence versus the rating systems enforced regarding sexual content. No problem at all in letting our kids see varying degrees of graphical mutilation and attendant moistness-inducing oneliners, but for the love of GOD let's make damn sure they don't find out anything about what the opposite sex looks like. Another classic there is how Oblivion had to be recalled a while back in the states because the ratings board had decided that it now deserves an M instead of a T. What had changed? An activist woman made a mod to the game whereby an undressed female character no longer wear a bra. The violence in the game didn't change one bit (and there is a lot of it, inclduing rather remorseless scenes of assasinations etc), but the remote ability of a gamer to secure a look at ***** obviously tipped the scales. And to top it all off in that incident Bethesda had to pay the recall pricetag due to mod content they had nothing to do with. How long before US publishers and developers get strongarmed into removing modding from their games out of fear of regulators giving them surprises?
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.07 19:31:00 - [88] On the humor side... EA rejects offer from Jack Thompson and in polite corporate speak they pretty much told him to "please go away" Originally by: Avaricia look a goon lol
Encad Briht Minmatar 0mega Enterprises Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.03.07 22:18:00 - [89] I am living in germany, we have probably the most restrictiv laws for weapons and violence in Media, there were still severeal occasions where Massacres happend and even more of them were planned but found out or abandoned, so its not really a problem of the weaponry restriction, cause even here, if you need some, you get your hands on some. I think Addictive Play of Violent games is more a symptom then a source of the problem, and thus i dont think they should be banned, because people will still get there hands on. I think there should be much more help around for any kind of problem, especially with mobbing, parenting and so on. More control wont do much there either, because massacres are usually reasoned in the uncontrolled frustration of years. -------------------------------------------- MacBook Pro 2.2 GhZ 2Gbyte RAM nVidia 8600M GT Mac OS X 10.4.11 -------------------------------------------

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