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PhantomMenace Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.03.03 03:20:00 - [1] I dunno about you guys , but im sick of the political idiots going on about banning so called violent games when there is simply no evidence to support their moronic claims that games make us violent. The idiots that run our country wage illegal wars killing thousends, abuse their position and expensies while trying harder than ever before to control and moniter our every move with more and more cameras and so called safety cameras (otherwise correctly known as speed cameras)while lieing to us telling us its all for our own good and constantly increasing tax rates and telling us what to eat and not to eat I say the virtual world is a much better place , we have our freedom .Hardly ever does a gamer physicaly hurt another gamer , we hardly ever experiance racial , sexual or any other forms of abuse we eat drink what and when we like without someone telling us its bad for us , even so the goverment is trying now to intrude in our virtual lives by looking for a way to tax players . In the uk they have even gone so low as to introduce death tax , when will the abuse and intrusion into our lives by the goverment end ?.
Rawr Cristina Caldari Cult of Rawr	Posted - 2008.03.03 03:22:00 - [2] in before Jack Thompson Fight Piracy - Encourage PvP in Lowsec!
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.03 03:44:00 - [3] Jack Thompson won't be in... he's busy suing NIU for the shooting Originally by: Avaricia look a goon lol
Grimpak Gallente Trinity Nova	Posted - 2008.03.03 03:52:00 - [4] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Jack Thompson won't be in... he's busy suing NIU for the shooting is this guy serious? someone give him a lobotomy! --- Trinity Nova Mercenary Services Web Site - Nominated for the 2008 E-ON Magazine Awards
Brea Lafail	Posted - 2008.03.03 05:12:00 - [5] It's all politics, man, has nothing to do will the real issue. Kinda like gun bans and oil "shortages" but that's another thread.
PhantomMenace Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.03.03 05:18:00 - [6] well the firearms ban was another thing , after dunblane which was partly the fault of the police , read sandra uttleys dunblane unburied , someone had to suffer which became the shooters of which i am one . strange how the gun crime in the uk has risen a great deal since the hand in though
AndrewRyan	Posted - 2008.03.03 05:34:00 - [7] Originally by: PhantomMenace well the firearms ban was another thing , after dunblane which was partly the fault of the police , read sandra uttleys dunblane unburied , someone had to suffer which became the shooters of which i am one . strange how the gun crime in the uk has risen a great deal since the hand in though Only handguns where banned after the tragedy at Dunblane and pump action or automatic shotguns where banned after the Hungerford shootings but that makes total sense as weapons like that have no place in society as they are primarily designed to kill people and have no real sporting use like hunting rifles or shotguns. Its only really the Americans that witness and suffer massacres and school shootings time and time again and then argue that people have the "right" to own devices intended to kill other human beings. ========================================= A Man chooses, a slave obeys.
PhantomMenace Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.03.03 05:50:00 - [8] Firstly they are not weopons they are firearms , secondly pump and semi auto shotguns are not illegal in the uk they come under a section one firearm only full auto are illegal but then anything in the uk full auto is illegal . Thirdly there is a sport for pump and semi auto shotguns , its called practical shotgun and its a good discapline to learn .
AndrewRyan	Posted - 2008.03.03 06:05:00 - [9] Originally by: PhantomMenace Firstly they are not weopons they are firearms , secondly pump and semi auto shotguns are not illegal in the uk they come under a section one firearm only full auto are illegal but then anything in the uk full auto is illegal . Thirdly there is a sport for pump and semi auto shotguns , its called practical shotgun and its a good discapline to learn . Firearms (Amendment) Act 1988 Also something that is designed to injure or kill somebody is a weapon, sure they are also firearms but they are still weapons. ========================================= A Man chooses, a slave obeys.
MalVortex	Posted - 2008.03.03 06:16:00 - [10] Originally by: AndrewRyan Originally by: PhantomMenace Firstly they are not weopons they are firearms , secondly pump and semi auto shotguns are not illegal in the uk they come under a section one firearm only full auto are illegal but then anything in the uk full auto is illegal . Thirdly there is a sport for pump and semi auto shotguns , its called practical shotgun and its a good discapline to learn . Firearms (Amendment) Act 1988 Also something that is designed to injure or kill somebody is a weapon, sure they are also firearms but they are still weapons. Under that definition, no firearm is a weapon. They are designed to launch small metal projectiles at high velocity. You'll note nowhere in their engineering documentation the intention to harm or kill people. You'd have a better argument against some ammunitions - as those specifically are designed to interact with softtissue in certain ways, but FMJ, AP and other rounds would also be exempt from such a worthless definition as you have provided.
PhantomMenace Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.03.03 06:22:00 - [11] im not gona get dragged into an argument in this , but pumps and semi auto or not illegal in the uk under a section one firearm . lots of guys at out club has them and people are still geting them , the police dont like you having them but we use them at a club right next to stanstead airport. ive got a 10/22 semi auto and i did hear the police are trying to ban those , the gun laws in the uk are the strictist in the world atm
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.03 06:29:00 - [12] Edited by: Surfin''s PlunderBunny on 03/03/2008 06:31:30 Yeah, I'm only going to post in this once too... my thoughts (posted on the forums by someone a couple years ago...). Also note that all the school shootings happen at campuses that don't allow students to carry, wonder why. So in my head I see this a much smaller scale of what happens in places like the UK with extensive gun control. and on editing I'd like to add I'm getting the ** out of California in the next few months to move to Arizona! \/ I'm going to university there to major in gunsmithing Originally by:** Avaricia look a goon lol
PhantomMenace Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.03.03 06:44:00 - [13] well surfin , after a bad shooting in dunblane we had to hand in all handguns , the thing is hamilton the guy that did the shooting had been booted from several gun clubs here in the uk and they did tell the police that hamilton was unfit to hold firearms , the firearm license dept told the assistant cheif constable who happend to be in the same mason lodge as hamiltong over ruled this dissicion and signed the license for hamilton , he later got promoted and retired on full pension after the shootings . but since the hand in gun crime has got really bad over here but then so has the amount of teenagers kiiling people in knife attacks and just kicking people to death , the prisons are full so they only get silly sentances. anyway , this is all old ground and i dont wanna get into a debate abut gun control etc
WhiteSavage Dark Force Recon Blood and Steel	Posted - 2008.03.03 06:55:00 - [14] The fact is everything that you do effects you. If you run into a lot of walls, that effects you. If you drink a lot of beer, that effects you. If you watch a lot of violent movies, that effects you. If you play a lot of violent video games, that effects you. The mistake a lot of peeps r making is suggesting the extreme... that lil Johnny will play GTA4 and then kill his friend. But an excess of anything can have negative effects. Just a week ago a 4rth grader in my home town stabbed another kid in his class. When asked why he was quoted at stating he was angry cuz the other kid "got a lot of A's." ...Things like this quite frankly did not happen 20 years ago. People forget how much columbine shocked the nation. That was only a few years ago. Now school shootings are normal. Are violent video games to blame? No. But they add to the growth of a voilent society. ___________________________________________ ..My doctor says that I have a malformed public-duty gland and a natural deficiency in moral fiber, and that I am therefore excused from saving Universes
EvilWezal Amarr Eye of God Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.03.03 07:10:00 - [15] Im a Deputy Sheriff in America. I dont think video games make kids violent. Its the parents that are not PARENTING anymore. We get calls all the time from parents who cant control there kids. They want US to do something. We tell them to beat there little arses and be a parent. Its not our job. On the topic of gun control. I think all guns should be avaiable to the public. You are only FREE if you can back it up. Gun control is a slippery slope to a Dictactor. Just my 2 cents.
AndrewRyan	Posted - 2008.03.03 07:33:00 - [16] Originally by: MalVortex Originally by: AndrewRyan Originally by: PhantomMenace Firstly they are not weopons they are firearms , secondly pump and semi auto shotguns are not illegal in the uk they come under a section one firearm only full auto are illegal but then anything in the uk full auto is illegal . Thirdly there is a sport for pump and semi auto shotguns , its called practical shotgun and its a good discapline to learn . Firearms (Amendment) Act 1988 Also something that is designed to injure or kill somebody is a weapon, sure they are also firearms but they are still weapons. Under that definition, no firearm is a weapon. They are designed to launch small metal projectiles at high velocity. You'll note nowhere in their engineering documentation the intention to harm or kill people. You'd have a better argument against some ammunitions - as those specifically are designed to interact with softtissue in certain ways, but FMJ, AP and other rounds would also be exempt from such a worthless definition as you have provided. My definition might not have been great but the logic behind it is perfect any handgun or rifle or shotgun designed for military use or for law enforcement is a weapon. Can you seriously claim that a Beretta pistol or an Assault rifle was not designed to kill? It may not list in the documentation but the designer sure as hell was attempting to design a efficient killing device. Originally by: PhantomMenace im not gona get dragged into an argument in this , but pumps and semi auto or not illegal in the uk under a section one firearm . lots of guys at out club has them and people are still geting them , the police dont like you having them but we use them at a club right next to stanstead airport. ive got a 10/22 semi auto and i did hear the police are trying to ban those , the gun laws in the uk are the strictist in the world atm You truly are dumb read the link to the Government article I posted its the exact law amendments that where implanted after the Hungerford shootings and it includes pump action shotguns and it also defines the exact parameters of a shotgun including "either has no magazine or has a non-detachable magazine incapable of holding more than two cartridges". ========================================= A Man chooses, a slave obeys.
PhantomMenace Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.03.03 07:46:00 - [17] k i can see clearly andrewryan has no brain so will pod at my earliest convienance to put him out his misery . God points made white savage , ive watched loads of videos on youtube on game addiction and about violent games etc , and just cant see games make people violent i think its more the lack of discpaline in kids and yeah i agree with natinal service , in the uk its got silly now you cant slap your kids for doing stuff wrong cos thats assualt teachers are afraid to break up fights in the playground ,unless its andrewryan then they happily shove the discreate boot in whilst stamping on his dumb head :) , the worlds gone crazy . evilweazel i did read an article about places in the usa where they do carry firearms and they said they dont get road rage (another uk problem which i have to confess ive been provoked into doing in the past) cos people dont get out their cars cos they dont know if the other guy is armed or not . btw andrewryan look at section 5 firearms that will please you
Ademaro Imre Caldari	Posted - 2008.03.03 08:09:00 - [18] Edited by: Ademaro Imre on 03/03/2008 08:13:35 Originally by: PhantomMenace I dunno about you guys , but im sick of the political idiots going on about banning so called violent games when there is simply no evidence to support their moronic claims that games make us violent. There is good evidence that today's games can desensitize a person. But those that want to ban violent games will not even use this evidence and probbaly do not even know about it. The greatest innovation in infantry combat training has been "pop-up" targets. The first serious pyschological studies of war occurred during World War II. It was found that very few soldiers would aim their weapons to kill, and would more often than not, be reluctant to pull the trigger if they knew they might kill or seriously hurt someone. In war, this is a real problem because people are raised not to kill. World War II training after these first studies, made a change from bullseye targets to silhouettes. The tendency of the soldiers to shoot the enemy almost doubled. It was still no better than 50%. This sort of training progressed through the Korean War using pop-up targets. A soldier would be trained to shoot anything downrange that "popped up." And in the Vietnam War, the pop-up targets has stuff on them to explode to mimic body damage. The tendency to shoot became something like 97% during the Vietnam War, training became more like a real combat experience. And video games, are just like those pop-up targets. They won't make someone violent, but they have done half of the work of any modern army training program. I am not saying they should be banned, I just think its interesting. The aim of politics is to keep the populace alarmed and clamorous to be saved by menacing it with imaginary hobgoblins. The urge to save humanity is a false front for the urge to rule it.
Roxanna Kell FinFleet Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.03 08:13:00 - [19] Violent video games + No guns allowed = Just harmless pass time Violent Video games + Guns allowed = well, you know. Quote: You are what you are, fool
PhantomMenace Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.03.03 08:19:00 - [20] Ademaro , there is a clip on youtube where they are training solders on simulaters which is probly what gaming will be like in 5-10 and i cant wait , im to tired to find the link right now cos i been working all night and about to have a couple of beers b4 bed zzzzzzz
Ademaro Imre Caldari	Posted - 2008.03.03 08:20:00 - [21] Originally by: AndrewRyan Its only really the Americans that witness and suffer massacres and school shootings time and time again and then argue that people have the "right" to own devices intended to kill other human beings. The same way we defend the priviledge to own and operate automobiles. There are three times as many pedestrians (note not even in a car) that are killed by automobiles than those murdered by firearms. The aim of politics is to keep the populace alarmed and clamorous to be saved by menacing it with imaginary hobgoblins. The urge to save humanity is a false front for the urge to rule it.
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.03 08:25:00 - [22] Oh, if the US ever tried to make it's citizens hand in their firearms it'd be the second civil war. I got guys in my company that started making caches of AK series rifles (What better rifle to be buried for years, huh? ) and stockpiling ammo the second Hillary announced she'd be running for presidency Originally by: Avaricia look a goon lol
MalVortex	Posted - 2008.03.03 08:50:00 - [23] Edited by: MalVortex on 03/03/2008 08:51:37 Edited by: MalVortex on 03/03/2008 08:51:18 Originally by: AndrewRyan My definition might not have been great but the logic behind it is perfect any handgun or rifle or shotgun designed for military use or for law enforcement is a weapon. Can you seriously claim that a Beretta pistol or an Assault rifle was not designed to kill? It may not list in the documentation but the designer sure as hell was attempting to design a efficient killing device. If your logic is perfect your definition wouldn't be so terrible. "Assault rifle" is a terrible definition - the only thing that makes an "assault rifle" an assault rifle is its styling. Thats it. Berretta makes a number of pistols, and they're all street legal (well, depending on your street I suppose ). You can take most any modern gun, change its casing, grip, etc. and go from a "hunting rifle" to an "assault rifle". Militaries order guns with a couple characteristics: 1) price 2) reliability 3) accuracy 4) ease of use/repair 5) weight 6) ammo type. Did you see "lethality" on there anywhere? Hell, the Geneva Convention doesn't even allow HP ammo to be used in war. A 9mm glock with Hydroshock rounds will have a higher rate of death per hit than an M16A2. edit: formatting
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.03 09:03:00 - [24] We use the M16A4s now But yeah, you gotta hit someone 3-5 times to effectively stop them. The USMC has dusted off it's old M14s and those are making a nice little comeback. You get hit with one of those once, even from behind a wall and you're down for good Originally by: Avaricia look a goon lol
AndrewRyan	Posted - 2008.03.03 09:06:00 - [25] Originally by: PhantomMenace k i can see clearly andrewryan has no brain so will pod at my earliest convienance to put him out his misery . God points made white savage , ive watched loads of videos on youtube on game addiction and about violent games etc , and just cant see games make people violent i think its more the lack of discpaline in kids and yeah i agree with natinal service , in the uk its got silly now you cant slap your kids for doing stuff wrong cos thats assualt teachers are afraid to break up fights in the playground ,unless its andrewryan then they happily shove the discreate boot in whilst stamping on his dumb head :) , the worlds gone crazy . evilweazel i did read an article about places in the usa where they do carry firearms and they said they dont get road rage (another uk problem which i have to confess ive been provoked into doing in the past) cos people dont get out their cars cos they dont know if the other guy is armed or not . btw andrewryan look at section 5 firearms that will please you Read the article you half wit, Quote: (ac) any self-loading or pump-action smooth-bore gun which is not chambered for .22 rim-fire cartridges and either has a barrel less than 24 inches in length or (excluding any detachable, folding, retractable or other movable butt-stock) is less than 40 inches in length overall And section 5 just covers the ammunition types, Quote: Restriction on sale of ammunition for smooth-bore guns (1) This section applies to ammunition to which section 1 of the principal Act does not apply and which is capable of being used in a shot gun or in a smooth-bore gun to which that section applies. (2) It is an offence for a person to sell any such ammunition to another person in the United Kingdom who is neither a registered firearms dealer nor a person who sells such ammunition by way of trade or business unless that other personù (a) produces a certificate authorising him to possess a gun of a kind mentioned in subsection (1) above; or (b) shows that he is by virtue of that Act or this Act entitled to have possession of such a gun without holding a certificate; or (c) produces a certificate authorising another person to possess such a gun, together with that personÆs written authority to purchase the ammunition on his behalf. (3) An offence under this section shall be punishable on summary conviction with imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months or a fine not exceeding level 5 on the standard scale or both. ========================================= A Man chooses, a slave obeys.
Dan Glebitts One Ton Banana	Posted - 2008.03.03 09:08:00 - [26] Originally by: PhantomMenace the gun laws in the uk are the strictist in the world atm That would be Japan if memory serves. It helps that there entire culture loathes the mere concept of guns. Violent games creates violent individuals = lol Guns ARE designed to kill people. Thats why they were invented. And no human should own or operate a gun... It has no place in any respectable society.
Bosie Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.03.03 09:21:00 - [27] OMG back in the days of the Roman empire folks used to kill for fun, this was before CS or even GTA was thought of!!111 Humans kill humans, FACT! "There is a forgotten, nay almost forbidden word, which means more to me than any other. That word is ENGLAND
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.03 09:26:00 - [28] Originally by: Bosie OMG back in the days of the Roman empire folks used to kill for fun, this was before CS or even GTA was thought of!!111 Humans kill humans, FACT! They didn't have guns either Originally by: Avaricia look a goon lol
Kirjava Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.03.03 09:45:00 - [29] If I conquor the world using spaceships and rename London Jita as my Imperial capital - you know Jack Thompson called it okay? Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007.
Suze'Rain Caldari	Posted - 2008.03.03 10:23:00 - [30] Originally by: Bosie OMG back in the days of the Roman empire folks used to kill for fun, this was before CS or even GTA was thought of!!111 Amplitudo Furtum Roma! Chariot-Jacking outside the coliseum. Genius! let's market it right away... ahem actually, on the original post, my personal opinion as a designer in the games industry is that we're no worse than film or stage. (hell, look at shakespeare's plays for pop culture violence of the era. Romeo and Juliet, the Montagues and Capulets swaggering with rapiers is no different, really, from the "guns, b*tches and bling" of GTA San Andreas.) Where the games industry does descend lower is in two areas: Interactivity, and replayability - specifically, whereas you can watch Hard Boiled or Grindhouse again and again, in a game you can be the one enacting the killing, and if it does'nt happen the way you want, then it can be replayed from saved games again and again. What's needed, really, to prevent the allegations is more cause and effect, to show that violence is a last resort. Games like GTA unfortunately tend to revel in the violence, in that you get nailed by the police, and walk away free 2 mins later. That element of gameplay does need to be addressed to some degree to undermine the allegations of idiotic maniacs like Jack Thompson. (though at least in GTA IV we'll get to murder a parody of him. I place my statement here. first mod to reach notoriety for IV will not be a "hot coffee", it'll be a "rename the lawyer to Jack Thompson" mod) Actually, it's what I like about eve - you gank someone, you lose sec, and in empire the ship, and it's gone for good. great cause and effect for actions. We need more of that in the games people push out.
SoftRevolution	Posted - 2008.03.03 10:30:00 - [31] Edited by: SoftRevolution on 03/03/2008 10:36:15 1) If you don't like paying taxes, don't use the NHS or any of other universally accessible services available to you in this country. Really mate we have got it (comparitively) easy. Scandinavia consistently tops out various measures of quality of life and they pay even more taxes than we do and guess what... their system does an even better job. Political interference, half assed attempts at privatising portions of our public sector and the NHS straining under the weight notwithstanding Britain is a pretty soft soap place to live. Unless you are proper well off I kind of doubt you'd be better off living under a "Liberal" welfare regime (low taxation, low spending). The gov't telling you what to eat is down to New Labour's (or rather Anthony Gidden's) third way thinking which took the bold step of introducing the notion that people are at least partly responsible for themselves hence rather than smoking 80 a day or getting fat-bastard onset diabetes and then expecting the NHS to look after you I think they'd rather people paid some small amount of attention to their own health. I realise this is a radical notion in a country where people are used to universal free healthcare but there we go 2) The research on video games and violence is pretty inconclusive. Both sides have very questionable results that might sort of back their claims if you squint hard when looking at it. I kind of doubt it is going to get conclusive anytime soon either. Short of taking two lots of children and raising them in the lab I don't see how this kind of research can ever be all that definitive. I suspect whatever you are posting about (I don't read the papers or watch the news, it only depresses me) is more spurred by notions of public decency and societies standards than anything else. If it's to do with Manhunt 2 then I'd say that Rockstar set out to get that banned in places. It's a (and this is far more unforgivable) pretty **ty videogame designed to shift copies solely on the basis of being controversial just like the original. It's hard to have much sympathy for games like that not least because they because they make entire industry look bad. If you'd got something that attempted to progress the genre or even just a genuinely meant attempt at producing a good game that was attracting a media storm and unwarranted mumbling in Parliament then that would be more worth getting annoyed about. EVE RELATED CONTENT**
Kathryn Dougans B. S. Radioactive Sheep Farm	Posted - 2008.03.03 13:03:00 - [32] Don't know what this is about specifically, haven't been paying much attention to the news recently. However, violent games, just like violence in films and television probably have some measurable effect on people, it's part of their environment, it would be most odd if it didn't. The thing that matters is how significant the effect is (in statistical terms and in absolute terms), and how it compares to other factors. E.g. if domestic violence means 25% of children exposed to it become violent, while videogame violence means 1% of children exposed to it become violent, then while videogame violence has a noticeable effect, it shouldn't be the priority. There's also the context of the violence. Where there is no real purpose or story, then it's just violence for violence sake. This also doesn't usually make a good game, film, TV programme etc. Compare with sex scenes in films? When there's no story or purpose, the film board says "Prawn" and takes a dim view. When there is some point to it, the film board says "18 Certificate" and approves. Also, it's probably mostly to do with parenting. Ineffective parenting that doesn't teach the child the context of the violence they are exposed to in films, TV, games etc. and so the child isn't as able to seperate them from reality. This is a bad thing. Society in general has a problem as well. Whenever violence on TV, games, films is blamed for something, it usually seems to be the lower income groups involved. Lower income groups also tend to have more problems with ineffective parenting, esp. if the parents have to work long hours, leaving the child under others supervision. However, the Government is keen to get parents from these groups into working the long hours, which would make that problem worse. So, it's just the Government attempting to create a diversion. Their policies (free childcare etc. intended to get people into work) create situations (children with no instruction) where violent games can have an effect, newspapers pick up on this and blow things out of proportion to sell newspapers, the Government points the Finger of Blame at videogames to divert attention. Finally, some people are just jerks. Alcohol, TV, films, games, drugs, etc. are just the excuse, not the cause of their behaviour.
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2008.03.03 14:26:00 - [33] Banning violent video games is not a rogue stupid act. It forms part of a greater trend that I called the Mamasboyification of our youth. The whole plan includes stuff like: 1) Keeping our youngsters free of violent games. 2) Making a law to wear helmets while riding bicycles. 3) Not airing Tom & Jerry cartoons beating the crap out of each other. 4) Making illegal for a group of people (mostly teenagers) to congregate on the street. 5) ...and many others... I still don't know the purpose of this campaign but I can tell you something... If this keeps going on, we gonna have to change the 50 stars of the flag with 50 fuzzy carebears.
AndrewRyan	Posted - 2008.03.03 14:56:00 - [34] Violent games and movies probably do inspire a minority of whackos into carrying out their sick fantasies but people like that don't take much inspiring and would get their ideas from elsewhere in the long run. The real issue here is that some people think that because they find something distasteful or offensive it should be banned, like the people who watch a TV program and complain it has sex or violence in despite being warned "this program contains nudity/violence" and start writing to the watchdogs. Self censorship is how it should be done, if you don't like something don't watch it/play it. Parents could use better tools about the description of game content as some games like Quake 4 or prey and F.E.A.R and Bioshock are fairly gruesome and even disturbing in some ways but adults have the right to choose to play those games. ========================================= A Man chooses, a slave obeys.
Brea Lafail	Posted - 2008.03.03 15:13:00 - [35] I just remembered my parents letting me play turok when I was 12 or so. That must be why Im so messed up, eh?
Great Artista Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.03.03 15:20:00 - [36] Edited by: Great Artista on 03/03/2008 15:26:03 You are ignoring a way bigger problem! Dihydrogen monoxide is used in manu drug and explosive synthesis, its available virtually everywhere and we are all being exposed to this substance all the time! In US alone approx 6500 people die to overdose every year. This substance is killing our children; IT IS THE HIGHEST REASON FOR MORTALITY FOR CHILDREN UNDER 14. Thank goodness, New Zeland has taken action on the matter. We should all follow this remarkable example set by this genious called Jacqui Dean. _______ ◕◡◕
Great Artista Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.03.03 15:42:00 - [37] I also agree on making decisions based on hype and lacking researches. But I'm sure most of you do too. :) _______ ◕◡◕
Arvald Caldari House of Tempers	Posted - 2008.03.03 15:46:00 - [38] Originally by: EvilWezal Im a Deputy Sheriff in America. I dont think video games make kids violent. Its the parents that are not PARENTING anymore. We get calls all the time from parents who cant control there kids. They want US to do something. We tell them to beat there little arses and be a parent. Its not our job. On the topic of gun control. I think all guns should be avaiable to the public. You are only FREE if you can back it up. Gun control is a slippery slope to a Dictactor. Just my 2 cents. this, and with the way the our government has been recently im suprised that people haven't already tried to "back up their freedom" ---------------------------------------------
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.03 15:49:00 - [39] Originally by: Arvald Originally by: EvilWezal Im a Deputy Sheriff in America. I dont think video games make kids violent. Its the parents that are not PARENTING anymore. We get calls all the time from parents who cant control there kids. They want US to do something. We tell them to beat there little arses and be a parent. Its not our job. On the topic of gun control. I think all guns should be avaiable to the public. You are only FREE if you can back it up. Gun control is a slippery slope to a Dictactor. Just my 2 cents. this, and with the way the our government has been recently im suprised that people haven't already tried to "back up their freedom" They can't... this administration has been monitoring all comms Originally by: Avaricia look a goon lol
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.03.03 15:56:00 - [40] The only thing in my opinion that had to be done was give parents a rating system so their 5 year olds dont start mowing down zombies and hookers,this has been done and the people at the forefront of the debate(parents that have children that play violent games)dont understand the rating system because its too"hard". Ive always hated people that asked for restriction of both the internet and games,tbh if you dont like violent game THEN DONT BUY THEM!If you dont like the internet THEN DONT PLUG IN YOUR COMPUTER! This is what happens when a kestrel with thermal missiles declares war on earth
Sephra Star	Posted - 2008.03.03 15:56:00 - [41] Edited by: Sephra Star on 03/03/2008 15:59:09 I'll probably get flamed for this, but I really do feel its honest truth. Video Games might contribute to violence, but even if they do it is far less culpable than telivision IMHO. Telivision is the primary device used for our social programming. Consider how much money is spent in commercial advertising to tell us what we like to eat, drink, and do. Why do they spend money on advertising? Because it works. The reason people like to play violent video games is from the social brainwashing they are programmed with primarily from telivision. The violent video games just happen to give people an outlet to act out what they have been programed with from telivision. So in a way I agree with people who say violent video games have little if anything to do with causing people to be violent, but only because I firmly believe it is telivision that is the cause and that video games are merely benign mode of acting it out. Violent Video games may actually contribute to there being less violence in the real world because it may very well be just enough of a fix that some people need to avoid going over the edge and acting out their programmed social compulsions in real life.
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.03.03 16:06:00 - [42] Originally by: Sephra Star Edited by: Sephra Star on 03/03/2008 15:59:09 I'll probably get flamed for this, but I really do feel its honest truth. Video Games might contribute to violence, but even if they do it is far less culpable than telivision IMHO. Telivision is the primary device used for our social programming. Consider how much money is spent in commercial advertising to tell us what we like to eat, drink, and do. Why do they spend money on advertising? Because it works. The reason people like to play violent video games is from the social brainwashing they are programmed with primarily from telivision. The violent video games just happen to give people an outlet to act out what they have been programed with from telivision. So in a way I agree with people who say violent video games have little if anything to do with causing people to be violent, but only because I firmly believe it is telivision that is the cause and that video games are merely benign mode of acting it out. Violent Video games may actually contribute to there being less violence in the real world because it may very well be just enough of a fix that some people need to avoid going over the edge and acting out their programmed social compulsions in real life. I can almost agree with you,but the people that you are talking about must not be the quick type as when I watch tv I dont get hungry for the sandwhiches they try to sell or the creams either,I also dont get pulled into the sublimenal stuff either. But honestly in most cases video games reduce violence rather then contribute to it as some people that are depressed by society are drawn to them so they can"escape". This is what happens when a kestrel with thermal missiles declares war on earth
PhantomMenace Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.03.03 16:20:00 - [43] good point bosie , andrewryan is bugging me now for the last time idiot semi auto shotguns and pumps are allowed in the uk on a section one firarm licence (not a shotgun licence), lots of people have them at my club and are still buying them . i never intended this to be debate on firearms , fact is guns dont kill its the person that does the shoting , i could place a loaded 357 on my desk loaded and it would wouldnt injure a fly unless some idiot picked it up and oulled the trigger
Sephra Star	Posted - 2008.03.03 16:25:00 - [44] This Is Your Brain On Violent Media Violence is a frequent occurrence in television shows and movies, but can watching it make you behave differently? Researchers at Columbia University Medical CenterÆs Functional Magnetic Resonance Imaging (fMRI) Research Center have shown that watching violent programs can cause parts of your brain that suppress aggressive behaviors to become less active. Columbia University scientists show that a brain network responsible for suppressing behaviors like inappropriate or unwarranted aggression (including the right lateral orbitofrontal cortex, or right ltOFC, and the amygdala) became less active after study subjects watched several short clips from popular movies depicting acts of violence. These changes could render people less able to control their own aggressive behavior. Indeed the authors found that, even among their own subjects, less activation in this network was characteristic of people reporting an above average tendency to behave aggressively. This characteristic was measured through a personality test. A secondary finding was that after repeated viewings of violence, an area of the brain associated with planning behaviors became more active. This lends further support to the idea that exposure to violence diminishes the brainÆs ability to inhibit behavior-related processing. None of these changes in brain activity occurred when subjects watched non-violent but equally engaging movies depicting scenes of horror or physical activity. ôThese changes in the brainÆs behavioral control circuits were specific to the repeated exposure to the violent clips,ö said Joy Hirsch, Ph.D., professor of Functional Neuroradiology, Psychology, and Neuroscience and Director of the Center for fMRI at CUMC, and the PLoS ONE paperÆs senior author. ôEven when the level of action in the control movies was comparable, we just did not observe the same changes in brain response that we did when the subjects viewed the violent clips.ö ôDepictions of violent acts have become very common in the popular media,ö said Christopher Kelly, the first author on the paper and a current CUMC medical student. ôOur findings demonstrate for the first time that watching media depictions of violence does influence processing in parts of the brain that control behaviors like aggression. This is an important finding, and further research should examine very closely how these changes affect real-life behavior.ö This research was published in the Dec. 5 on-line issue of PLoS One (published by the Public Library of Science), http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/12/071206093014.htm
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.03.03 16:31:00 - [45] Edited by: goodby4u on 03/03/2008 16:31:50 Edited by: goodby4u on 03/03/2008 16:31:23 Originally by: Sephra Star This Is Your Brain On Violent Media Violence is a frequent occurrence in television shows and movies, but can watching it make you behave differently? Researchers at Columbia University Medical CenterÆs Functional Magnetic Resonance Imaging (fMRI) Research Center have shown that watching violent programs can cause parts of your brain that suppress aggressive behaviors to become less active. Columbia University scientists show that a brain network responsible for suppressing behaviors like inappropriate or unwarranted aggression (including the right lateral orbitofrontal cortex, or right ltOFC, and the amygdala) became less active after study subjects watched several short clips from popular movies depicting acts of violence. These changes could render people less able to control their own aggressive behavior. Indeed the authors found that, even among their own subjects, less activation in this network was characteristic of people reporting an above average tendency to behave aggressively. This characteristic was measured through a personality test. A secondary finding was that after repeated viewings of violence, an area of the brain associated with planning behaviors became more active. This lends further support to the idea that exposure to violence diminishes the brainÆs ability to inhibit behavior-related processing. None of these changes in brain activity occurred when subjects watched non-violent but equally engaging movies depicting scenes of horror or physical activity. ôThese changes in the brainÆs behavioral control circuits were specific to the repeated exposure to the violent clips,ö said Joy Hirsch, Ph.D., professor of Functional Neuroradiology, Psychology, and Neuroscience and Director of the Center for fMRI at CUMC, and the PLoS ONE paperÆs senior author. ôEven when the level of action in the control movies was comparable, we just did not observe the same changes in brain response that we did when the subjects viewed the violent clips.ö ôDepictions of violent acts have become very common in the popular media,ö said Christopher Kelly, the first author on the paper and a current CUMC medical student. ôOur findings demonstrate for the first time that watching media depictions of violence does influence processing in parts of the brain that control behaviors like aggression. This is an important finding, and further research should examine very closely how these changes affect real-life behavior.ö This research was published in the Dec. 5 on-line issue of PLoS One (published by the Public Library of Science), http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/12/071206093014.htm I guess but planning and doing are two entirely different things. I would be lying if I said I have never had thoughts about how to kill someone,we are human we all have those thoughts...However ive never done such an act and will probably never do so unless its necessary. Though truthfully the mentally unstable shouldnt play violent video games if they cannot seperate reality from fiction most others should be fine. This is what happens when a kestrel with thermal missiles declares war on earth
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2008.03.03 16:32:00 - [46] do you behavioral psychologists, doctoral students, constitutional scholars and pandering moralists know what politicization means? ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
Sephra Star	Posted - 2008.03.03 16:38:00 - [47] Originally by: goodby4u Edited by: goodby4u on 03/03/2008 16:31:50 Edited by: goodby4u on 03/03/2008 16:31:23 I guess but planning and doing are two entirely different things. I would be lying if I said I have never had thoughts about how to kill someone,we are human we all have those thoughts...However ive never done such an act and will probably never do so unless its necessary. Though truthfully the mentally unstable shouldnt play violent video games if they cannot seperate reality from fiction most others should be fine. Lets then add in the factor of the massive ditribution of psychiatric medications being doled out to children and adults that play into this equation. Medications (poisens really)that have been prooven beyond any doubt whatsoever end up contributing to suicidal as well as homicidal behaviors.
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.03.03 16:50:00 - [48] Originally by: Sephra Star Edited by: Sephra Star on 03/03/2008 16:44:54 Originally by: goodby4u Edited by: goodby4u on 03/03/2008 16:31:50 Edited by: goodby4u on 03/03/2008 16:31:23 I guess but planning and doing are two entirely different things. I would be lying if I said I have never had thoughts about how to kill someone,we are human we all have those thoughts...However ive never done such an act and will probably never do so unless its necessary. Though truthfully the mentally unstable shouldnt play violent video games if they cannot seperate reality from fiction most others should be fine. Lets then add in the factor of the massive ditribution of psychiatric medications being doled out to children and adults that play into this equation. Medications (poisens really)that have been prooven beyond any doubt whatsoever end up contributing to suicidal as well as homicidal behaviors. Aderol is a cocain Pill. (pumps up the dopamine) Massively distributed?Appearently its not working because im not suicidal or homicidal and know nobody like that. This is what happens when a kestrel with thermal missiles declares war on earth
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.03 16:52:00 - [49] Hold on a second.... back to OP... what the hell is a death tax? Originally by: Avaricia look a goon lol
Sephra Star	Posted - 2008.03.03 16:53:00 - [50] The list of anti depressent SSRI's is pretty extensive. I have done quite a bit of personal research on the long term effects psychiatric medications. Try surfing the forums of psychiatric medication survivors who had there lives turned into living hells by taking them. People desperate to get off of them looking for help from others who have been through it.
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2008.03.03 17:01:00 - [51] Originally by: Sephra Star The list of anti depressent SSRI's is pretty extensive. I have done quite a bit of personal research on the long term effects psychiatric medications. Try surfing the forums of psychiatric medication survivors who had there lives turned into living hells by taking them. People desperate to get off of them looking for help from others who have been through it. internet research itt APPLY ONLINE AT DEVRY UNIVERSITY NOW ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
SoftRevolution	Posted - 2008.03.03 17:04:00 - [52] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Hold on a second.... back to OP... what the hell is a death tax? This. EVE RELATED CONTENT
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2008.03.03 17:08:00 - [53] WTF!? They tax your arse after you die?!
Sephra Star	Posted - 2008.03.03 17:31:00 - [54] Edited by: Sephra Star on 03/03/2008 17:36:54 Originally by: Erotic Irony Originally by: Sephra Star The list of anti depressent SSRI's is pretty extensive. I have done quite a bit of personal research on the long term effects psychiatric medications. Try surfing the forums of psychiatric medication survivors who had there lives turned into living hells by taking them. People desperate to get off of them looking for help from others who have been through it. internet research itt APPLY ONLINE AT DEVRY UNIVERSITY NOW I can only presume your trying to be sarcastic about my remark of doing research on the internet about the effects of psychiatric drugs. Perhaps I should have explained why I was bothing. At the time I was taking care of someone who was taking them. She was having uncontrollable epileptic like siezures on a daily basis compounded by near death emergency room visits for various unexplained physiologicfal conditions. We determined it had to do with drug toxicity from her prescription medications and began to ween her off the medications she was on. We ended up having to admit her into a psych ward for attempting suicide. Turned out she had been secretly planning it for a good long while. The woman in question had a PHD in Psychology... She was also into law enforcement as a career until she became disabled. The vast majority of her free time was spent watching the CRIME shows on telivision and her favorite ones were the documentaries on murder investigations of serial killers and domestic murders. Go figure
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.03.03 18:10:00 - [55] Its all that rock and roll turning our kids evil!!! errrr BAN VIDEOGAMES they are evil!!!!!
Dirtee Girl Omega Enterprises Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.03.03 18:54:00 - [56] my favourite was when FPS games were reffered to as "murder simulators" . "everything you need to know about shooting someone or going on a rampage can be learned in a game like this " - talking about goldeneye * *
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.03 19:21:00 - [57] Is it just me or does the topic of "violent games" always seem to come up just after a mass shooting? Like the Cop said. its not games its poor parenting, bullying and peer preasure. But it does help if parents didn't buy games for under age kids, if only to stop 12 year olds screaming and swearing down my 360 mic
Admrl Cain Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.03 19:40:00 - [58] A violent game is no worse than constantly showing scenes of war in movies and the news. Thus, sounds more like these morons have bias. Only difference is in a game, you can't sign up for legal (real life) killing like you can in the name of any country ;) ---------------------------------------- Admiral Cain. Yep, that's right.. mmhmmm
PhantomMenace Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.03.03 19:48:00 - [59] surfin the death tax has been around here in the crappy uk for a long time and has been rightly complained about for a long time , basically when you die and leave stuff, money etc to your family they have to pay tax on their gains even though the goverment has allready recieved tax on that money they want more , so it became known as death tax . In the uk now elderly people give their money to their family to hide for them so the corrupt goverment dont find out about it
Ademaro Imre Caldari	Posted - 2008.03.03 21:13:00 - [60] Originally by: Dan Glebitts Originally by: PhantomMenace the gun laws in the uk are the strictist in the world atm That would be Japan if memory serves. It helps that there entire culture loathes the mere concept of guns. Violent games creates violent individuals = lol Guns ARE designed to kill people. Thats why they were invented. And no human should own or operate a gun... It has no place in any respectable society. Japan is hardly a role model. When it comes to guns and gun control, Japan is a near dictator ship and police state in regards to monitoring anyone with a gun. If the police wnat to search your home in Japan, all they need to do is cite a "gun" reason and away they go. If they think you have a sword - that is reason enough for the polcie to go through your home. That's the secret about Japan, a police state masked in a democracy. Even if you are a legal hunter in Japan, expect the police to come and count your shells, more than once a year to make sure you are not shooting too much. Japan's non-gun crime rate is also about 1.5% of the US. Its not that Japan hates guns. Their homogenous culture respects laws. This is a nation where Japanese citizenship is a right of bloodline, not birthplace. The aim of politics is to keep the populace alarmed and clamorous to be saved by menacing it with imaginary hobgoblins. The urge to save humanity is a false front for the urge to rule it.
Ademaro Imre Caldari	Posted - 2008.03.03 21:37:00 - [61] Originally by: PhantomMenace surfin the death tax has been around here in the crappy uk for a long time and has been rightly complained about for a long time , basically when you die and leave stuff, money etc to your family they have to pay tax on their gains even though the goverment has allready recieved tax on that money they want more , so it became known as death tax . In the uk now elderly people give their money to their family to hide for them so the corrupt goverment dont find out about it That is the same in the US. There is always controversy about it. The remaining income and assets have already been taxed. And when its alot, the Left in the US (Democrats, Socilist parties) want it taxed at a very high rate. What happens is - to pay the taxes, assets of the inheritance must be sold off. If the inheritance is say a 20 million dollar home, the home will have to be sold unless the children are already independently wealthy and can pay the taxes (yearly property taxes could force them to sell it also - but at least its rentable). If the inheritance is a business, assets or ownership may have to be sold in some cases. If its just isk, it basically free money for the government. The death tax is truly a tool of class warfare. If someone gets "lucky" by having their parents die in a car wreck and they inherit a lot of money, people on the left get jealous and think that is not "fair." In the US, the death tax even taxes the dead. Former President Clinton taxed dead people who already died, but implementing a a "retroactive" tax that increased taxes on time period before the law was enacted. The aim of politics is to keep the populace alarmed and clamorous to be saved by menacing it with imaginary hobgoblins. The urge to save humanity is a false front for the urge to rule it.
Cmdr Sy Appetite 4 Destruction INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.03.03 21:47:00 - [62] A gaming nation is a prepared nation. EVE CCG Trinity Booster
Ademaro Imre Caldari	Posted - 2008.03.03 21:52:00 - [63] Originally by: Cmdr Sy A gaming nation is a prepared nation. The aim of politics is to keep the populace alarmed and clamorous to be saved by menacing it with imaginary hobgoblins. The urge to save humanity is a false front for the urge to rule it.
AndrewRyan	Posted - 2008.03.04 00:53:00 - [64] Originally by: PhantomMenace good point bosie , andrewryan is bugging me now for the last time idiot semi auto shotguns and pumps are allowed in the uk on a section one firarm licence (not a shotgun licence), lots of people have them at my club and are still buying them . i never intended this to be debate on firearms , fact is guns dont kill its the person that does the shoting , i could place a loaded 357 on my desk loaded and it would wouldnt injure a fly unless some idiot picked it up and oulled the trigger Your an Imbecile I linked the relevant UK laws and even had to paraphrase them for you and you still keep talking rubbish, not only that your posting also displays that either a) English is not your native language and your not from England and your lying about owning guns in the UK or b) you have the intelligence level of "I am sam" and I doubt you would be issued any firearms licence in the UK. Now go read the fricken law before posting bull crap ========================================= A Man chooses, a slave obeys.
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Worms Corp	Posted - 2008.03.04 01:44:00 - [65] Jack Thomson is at risk right now of being disbarred. basicly there is a very good chance he will no longer be a Lawyer.
PhantomMenace Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.03.04 02:54:00 - [66] softrev , i agree with your comments on manhunt being banned i did check out the first one and coulent really get into it that did seem violence for the sake of violence and didnt seem to be much skill involved either , the 2nd manhunt they put the bolger clip in which i thought was an outrage and i doubt ill buy a rockstar game again over that . With regard to the health service , that could and should be better if it wasnt so abused , ive got releatives in the us who have dual natinal passports so anything serious they want done be it teeth or health related they just pop over here and get it done on the nhs even thought they have never payed into it and that should be stopped , the same with all the immigrants coming over (that will probly start another argument now) getting pregnant to stay in the country then getting free nhs treatment should be stopped , the nhs is simply abused so on the rare occasion i want nhs help i have to wait cos of all these freeloaders , ive allways worked and payed my way and never abused anything , well apart from my beer fridge
Araxmas An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three	Posted - 2008.03.04 03:12:00 - [67] Quote: at Virginia Tech University - similarly trained on Counter-Strike to rehearse for their killing sprees." I heard that the killer didn't play CS and the only game he played/owned was sonic. That true? -------- derek
Ixianus	Posted - 2008.03.04 04:50:00 - [68] It's times like this I wonder why threads like this don't get locked for political content. When any and every other thread that even thinks to mention anything gets locked.
SoftRevolution	Posted - 2008.03.04 11:53:00 - [69] Originally by: PhantomMenace softrev , i agree with your comments on manhunt being banned i did check out the first one and coulent really get into it that did seem violence for the sake of violence and didnt seem to be much skill involved either , the 2nd manhunt they put the bolger clip in which i thought was an outrage and i doubt ill buy a rockstar game again over that . With regard to the health service , that could and should be better if it wasnt so abused , ive got releatives in the us who have dual natinal passports so anything serious they want done be it teeth or health related they just pop over here and get it done on the nhs even thought they have never payed into it and that should be stopped , the same with all the immigrants coming over (that will probly start another argument now) getting pregnant to stay in the country then getting free nhs treatment should be stopped , the nhs is simply abused so on the rare occasion i want nhs help i have to wait cos of all these freeloaders , ive allways worked and payed my way and never abused anything , well apart from my beer fridge Ugh. I had no idea that they'd used the Bulger thing as marketing material. That's disgusting in it's own right and in general does nothing for the games industry. They've "apologised for any distress" apparently but ** only knows why they thought that was acceptable to begin with. I assume they didn't and it was just a way to generate newspaper column inches. Yeah. My heart bleeds for Rockstar. I think you're probably right about the NHS and people kicking the arse out of it. Dunno what you do about it. There's probably a wider debate there about inequality across the whole EU but in the short term it needs people to decide that it's OK for the NHS to be a bit selfish. EVE RELATED CONTENT**
kor anon Amarr Keepers of the Holy Bagel Darkness Rising Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.04 15:19:00 - [70] IMHO we are missing the point by saying games or tv, etc are the prime cause of violence in our culture, we humans as a species are extremely violent and warlike, there have been countless times where we have in our past killed or committed genocide etc and we'll have many more instances in the future, its just the way we are. In most areas of our lives we are so very very similar to animals in the wild its scary when you analyse our own behavior and compare with the behavior of animals. btw im not saying we should hate ourselves nor am i saying that humanity sucks anus. I rather think that instead that these rules we impose on our behavior hinders our full potential (reason why I hold organised religion with contempt). the proofs in the pudding really as every major technological development has stemmed from a military need. (space race during cold war - stemmed from rocket technology from the germans during the war; the internet was developed in order to provide communication for the US army - computers for a similar reason) ponder on that mouthful
Sephra Star	Posted - 2008.03.04 16:10:00 - [71] Got news for ya. We have been having genocide of indiginous populations going on non-stop now for decades; not to mention the mass assassinations of intellectuals in nations targeted for coups. The United States is one gruesome guilty party when you expose it to the light.
Ademaro Imre Caldari	Posted - 2008.03.04 18:34:00 - [72] Originally by: Sephra Star Got news for ya. We have been having genocide of indiginous populations going on non-stop now for decades; not to mention the mass assassinations of intellectuals in nations targeted for coups. The United States is one gruesome guilty party when you expose it to the light. And yet, somehow your survived. The aim of politics is to keep the populace alarmed and clamorous to be saved by menacing it with imaginary hobgoblins. The urge to save humanity is a false front for the urge to rule it.
mama guru Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.04 19:18:00 - [73] Edited by: mama guru on 04/03/2008 19:19:47 Originally by: Ademaro Imre Edited by: Ademaro Imre on 03/03/2008 21:27:05 Edited by: Ademaro Imre on 03/03/2008 21:24:40 Originally by: Dan Glebitts Originally by: PhantomMenace the gun laws in the uk are the strictist in the world atm That would be Japan if memory serves. It helps that there entire culture loathes the mere concept of guns. Violent games creates violent individuals = lol Guns ARE designed to kill people. Thats why they were invented. And no human should own or operate a gun... It has no place in any respectable society. Japan is hardly a role model. When it comes to guns and gun control, Japan is a near dictator ship and police state in regards to monitoring anyone with a gun. If the police want to search your home in Japan, all they need to do is cite a "gun" reason and away they go. If they think you have a sword - that is reason enough for the police to go through your home. That's the secret about Japan, a police state masked in a democracy. Even if you are a legal hunter in Japan, expect the police to come and count your shells, more than once a year to make sure you are not shooting too much. And they won't need permission to walk in or call ahead of time. Japan's non-gun crime rate is also about 1.5% of the US. Its not that Japan hates guns. Their homogeneous culture respects laws. This is a nation where Japanese citizenship is a right of bloodline, not birthplace. After World War II, the US wrote the constitution for Japan, in part to make it passive. But it left the courts go and did not hammer out court attitudes. While the Japanese constitution says one thing, their courts accept wild deviations from it. Japan is a true nation-state set apart and unique amoung all other nations, states, and nation-states in the world. I believe, and many other people believe Japan is a police-state, but that is not an insult. Their culture is truly stunning. Their laws, and how they view, accept and enforce them is just one aspect of the Japanese culture. Oh well lets look where the direct oposit of japan went in terms of gun related crimes. I admire the japanese for the reasons you stated in this post, apart from the fact that they produce over 50% of all weird ** in the world. They are also extremely polite, both in japan and china. EDIT: to stay on topic, go right ahead and ban **ty, pointless games like GTA and manhunt etc. I dont mind that at all. But keep your hands off from gears of war and the like. EVE is like the "Fisherman's Friend" of MMOs. If it's too hard, you are too weak.
Isiskhan Gnostic Misanthropy	Posted - 2008.03.04 19:58:00 - [74] Originally by: mama guru EDIT: to stay on topic, go right ahead and ban ***ty, pointless games like GTA and manhunt etc. I dont mind that at all. No. Ban Jack Thompson instead, he awakens my murderous instincts. Not GTA or Manhunt. Offensive / violent culture being restricted to minors? Ok, possibly if done right. Banned to anyone and everyone anytime anywhere? Kindly fck off. No one is to impose their moral views on anyone else. To each their own, deal with it.
mama guru Corp 1 Allstars Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.04 20:20:00 - [75] Originally by: Isiskhan Originally by: mama guru EDIT: to stay on topic, go right ahead and ban ***ty, pointless games like GTA and manhunt etc. I dont mind that at all. No. Ban Jack Thompson instead, he awakens my murderous instincts. Not GTA or Manhunt. Offensive / violent culture being restricted to minors? Ok, possibly if done right. Banned to anyone and everyone anytime anywhere? Kindly fck off. No one is to impose their moral views on anyone else. To each their own, deal with it. Thats what i ment, i apologize for being unclear. EVE is like the "Fisherman's Friend" of MMOs. If it's too hard, you are too weak.
Isiskhan Gnostic Misanthropy	Posted - 2008.03.04 20:27:00 - [76] Originally by: SoftRevolution It's hard to have much sympathy for games like that not least because they because they make entire industry look bad. If you'd got something that attempted to progress the genre or even just a genuinely meant attempt at producing a good game that was attracting a media ** storm and unwarranted mumbling in Parliament then that would be more worth getting annoyed about. It only makes "the entire industry look bad" in the minds of morons. And their opinion should not matter. No one thinks that a bad film filled with gratituous and over-the-top sadistic violence makes the entire film industry look bad. No one should apologize for that sort of thing. It's only different with videogames because this industry is relatively new and people's natural instinct to point fingers, look for scape-goats and not take responsibility. I don't care if Manhunt's gameplay is a piece of crap or if it's trolling or not the holier-than-thou moral majority, government and sensationalist media. To start with, if they are able to troll / attention-*** them in this manner is because they have a problem, not the game developer. Stick a 18+ sticket into it or whatever and be done with it. Don't give it any unwarranted attention if it's not your cup of tea and let others mind their own business. As in the case of many gory B-movies, the point is precisely how over the top, offensive and gross you can get. It's not trying to be the Shakespeare of videogames, that's for sure, but that is ok.
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Worms Corp	Posted - 2008.03.05 00:03:00 - [77] video games are just the 21 century's Rock&roll, Heavy metal, Movies. basicly they are the current scapegoat for when things go wrong.
Cmdr Sy Appetite 4 Destruction INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.03.05 17:48:00 - [78] Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker video games are just the 21 century's Rock&roll, Heavy metal, Movies. basicly they are the current scapegoat for when things go wrong. Yeah, I hope I live long enough to see the same debate over holodecks. EVE CCG Trinity Booster
Xen Gin The Dragoons	Posted - 2008.03.06 00:03:00 - [79] Originally by: EvilWezal Im a Deputy Sheriff in America. I dont think video games make kids violent. Its the parents that are not PARENTING anymore. We get calls all the time from parents who cant control there kids. They want US to do something. We tell them to beat there little arses and be a parent. Its not our job. On the topic of gun control. I think all guns should be avaiable to the public. You are only FREE if you can back it up. Gun control is a slippery slope to a Dictactor. Just my 2 cents. Yeah, its not going to happen here in the UK. I'm really glad that the yobs and kids on the street don't carry guns on them. And no! I wouldn't be any safer if I had one too, you know why? Guns fire over a distance! It's an easy and impersonal way of hurting someone from a varying distance, as opposed to someone using a knife. Its also a good way to tell who the bad people are in this country, if they have a gun and they aren't the police(or Farmer Jones who doesn't live in an urban area anyway!) they aren't good.
Gneeznow Minmatar SniggWaffe	Posted - 2008.03.06 00:04:00 - [80] After a hard day of playing GTA San Andreas i like nothing more than to go town and jack some cars and cap some fools tbfh
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Worms Corp	Posted - 2008.03.06 00:25:00 - [81] Originally by: Gneeznow After a hard day of playing GTA San Andreas i like nothing more than to go town and jack some cars and cap some fools tbfh however jacking people in .4 feels just as good.....
Mighty Dread Minmatar	Posted - 2008.03.06 03:44:00 - [82] If the backlash against violence in video games is picking up momentum the gaming industry on a whole has itself to blame. Many video game developers and more so publishers know the cheapest route to the almighty dollar is to cater to humanity's most primitive desires. So they sensationalize violence and push the boundaries of common decency. They condition gamers to snatch up any game that promises a high body count and gruesome deaths. It's just so much easier to make guns and exploding heads than it is to create an engaging, thought provoking storyline and gameplay, a lot less risk involved too. Henry Rollins once commented on his show that he was sure the violent military based games being put out these days was just another part of some grand design to condition the masses for an upcoming real world apocalypse. Me, I can see how my parent's generation would look at many of today's video games with revulsion. They sang songs of love and unity, rallied against the Vietnam War, shouted "Power to the people!" and made love in the bushes. Many of today's (privileged) generation are glued in front of a computer or TV "p0wning n00bs" and telling people to STFU on forums.
Sharupak Minmatar Knights Of the Black Sun Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2008.03.06 03:49:00 - [83] Some good points the op made. The violent games debate is like getting bitten 700 times by a cobra and then getting **ed off because the snake ** on your boots. _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude.
Fink Angel Caldari The Merry Men	Posted - 2008.03.06 22:17:00 - [84] South Park says it all for me. Look everywhere for blame to avoid looking for the real roots of society's problems. "Should we blame the matches? Or should we blame the fire? Or the doctors who allowed him to expire?"
Arron S Gallente Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2008.03.06 22:18:00 - [85] This is not a country run by soccer moms like China is. Your signature is too large. Please resize it to a maximum of 400 x 120 with the file size not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Mitnal
Isuzo Khan	Posted - 2008.03.07 05:08:00 - [86] How about instead of "banning" things that have no legal right to be banned, we go ahead and educate people. You can't ban something like videogames in America, because it violates our right to freedom of expression and speech. That is like saying you cant write or distribute murder novels because they give people ideas. Maybe games desensitize us, but the way I view it, it makes us stronger and better able to deal with things. It does not make us heartless though, and if we were educated as to their effects and a better way to react to violent video games instead of people like jack tommie and soccer moms trying to keep "meanie-head things away from their boo-boo-babies" and just removing anything they dont like from existence, than adverse reactions to games wouldn't happen nearly as often. I am not going to say they would dissapear, because people get angry enough to kill people by getting cut off in traffic. If I want to play GTA and condemned, than I can and will. These people who I see trying to ban games are people who didn't grow up with them, and it seems like they are trying to find a scapegoat for the problems they see. I think about 99.9999999999999% of tragedies that have occured have happened without the presence of violent video games. They werent around during the holocaust, Stalin didn't play GTA, the US didnt drop the A-bombs because they got PO'd on Halo 3, come to think of it, I really can't think of anything bad that can be attributed to violent video games, besides an angry 10 year old on xbox live, and if parents dont want kids playing these games, maybe they should take an active role.
Tatsue Nuko Stimulus The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.03.07 13:01:00 - [87] To be completely honest, I think we should just drop the violent games debate alltogether and go after those games that are about perverse sexual practices, **ography and *glorification. You know, like Mass Effect, as FOX has paved the way nicely. (The link is to a parody of the FOX TV debate - youtube were threatened into dropping the real recording of it and I can't recall the name of the site that decided to ignore the threats.) And I'm actually semi-serious here. Have a look at the rating systems enforced in most countries regarding violence versus the rating systems enforced regarding sexual content. No problem at all in letting our kids see varying degrees of graphical mutilation and attendant moistness-inducing oneliners, but for the love of GOD let's make damn sure they don't find out anything about what the opposite sex looks like. Another classic there is how Oblivion had to be recalled a while back in the states because the ratings board had decided that it now deserves an M instead of a T. What had changed? An activist woman made a mod to the game whereby an undressed female character no longer wear a bra. The violence in the game didn't change one bit (and there is a lot of it, inclduing rather remorseless scenes of assasinations etc), but the remote ability of a gamer to secure a look at ***** obviously tipped the scales. And to top it all off in that incident Bethesda had to pay the recall pricetag due to mod content they had nothing to do with. How long before US publishers and developers get strongarmed into removing modding from their games out of fear of regulators giving them surprises?
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.07 19:31:00 - [88] On the humor side... EA rejects offer from Jack Thompson and in polite corporate speak they pretty much told him to "please go away" Originally by: Avaricia look a goon lol
Encad Briht Minmatar 0mega Enterprises Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.03.07 22:18:00 - [89] I am living in germany, we have probably the most restrictiv laws for weapons and violence in Media, there were still severeal occasions where Massacres happend and even more of them were planned but found out or abandoned, so its not really a problem of the weaponry restriction, cause even here, if you need some, you get your hands on some. I think Addictive Play of Violent games is more a symptom then a source of the problem, and thus i dont think they should be banned, because people will still get there hands on. I think there should be much more help around for any kind of problem, especially with mobbing, parenting and so on. More control wont do much there either, because massacres are usually reasoned in the uncontrolled frustration of years. -------------------------------------------- MacBook Pro 2.2 GhZ 2Gbyte RAM nVidia 8600M GT Mac OS X 10.4.11 -------------------------------------------

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