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SoftRevolution	Posted - 2008.03.03 10:30:00 - [31] Edited by: SoftRevolution on 03/03/2008 10:36:15 1) If you don't like paying taxes, don't use the NHS or any of other universally accessible services available to you in this country. Really mate we have got it (comparitively) easy. Scandinavia consistently tops out various measures of quality of life and they pay even more taxes than we do and guess what... their system does an even better job. Political interference, half assed attempts at privatising portions of our public sector and the NHS straining under the weight notwithstanding Britain is a pretty soft soap place to live. Unless you are proper well off I kind of doubt you'd be better off living under a "Liberal" welfare regime (low taxation, low spending). The gov't telling you what to eat is down to New Labour's (or rather Anthony Gidden's) third way thinking which took the bold step of introducing the notion that people are at least partly responsible for themselves hence rather than smoking 80 a day or getting fat-bastard onset diabetes and then expecting the NHS to look after you I think they'd rather people paid some small amount of attention to their own health. I realise this is a radical notion in a country where people are used to universal free healthcare but there we go 2) The research on video games and violence is pretty inconclusive. Both sides have very questionable results that might sort of back their claims if you squint hard when looking at it. I kind of doubt it is going to get conclusive anytime soon either. Short of taking two lots of children and raising them in the lab I don't see how this kind of research can ever be all that definitive. I suspect whatever you are posting about (I don't read the papers or watch the news, it only depresses me) is more spurred by notions of public decency and societies standards than anything else. If it's to do with Manhunt 2 then I'd say that Rockstar set out to get that banned in places. It's a (and this is far more unforgivable) pretty **ty videogame designed to shift copies solely on the basis of being controversial just like the original. It's hard to have much sympathy for games like that not least because they because they make entire industry look bad. If you'd got something that attempted to progress the genre or even just a genuinely meant attempt at producing a good game that was attracting a media storm and unwarranted mumbling in Parliament then that would be more worth getting annoyed about. EVE RELATED CONTENT**
Kathryn Dougans B. S. Radioactive Sheep Farm	Posted - 2008.03.03 13:03:00 - [32] Don't know what this is about specifically, haven't been paying much attention to the news recently. However, violent games, just like violence in films and television probably have some measurable effect on people, it's part of their environment, it would be most odd if it didn't. The thing that matters is how significant the effect is (in statistical terms and in absolute terms), and how it compares to other factors. E.g. if domestic violence means 25% of children exposed to it become violent, while videogame violence means 1% of children exposed to it become violent, then while videogame violence has a noticeable effect, it shouldn't be the priority. There's also the context of the violence. Where there is no real purpose or story, then it's just violence for violence sake. This also doesn't usually make a good game, film, TV programme etc. Compare with sex scenes in films? When there's no story or purpose, the film board says "Prawn" and takes a dim view. When there is some point to it, the film board says "18 Certificate" and approves. Also, it's probably mostly to do with parenting. Ineffective parenting that doesn't teach the child the context of the violence they are exposed to in films, TV, games etc. and so the child isn't as able to seperate them from reality. This is a bad thing. Society in general has a problem as well. Whenever violence on TV, games, films is blamed for something, it usually seems to be the lower income groups involved. Lower income groups also tend to have more problems with ineffective parenting, esp. if the parents have to work long hours, leaving the child under others supervision. However, the Government is keen to get parents from these groups into working the long hours, which would make that problem worse. So, it's just the Government attempting to create a diversion. Their policies (free childcare etc. intended to get people into work) create situations (children with no instruction) where violent games can have an effect, newspapers pick up on this and blow things out of proportion to sell newspapers, the Government points the Finger of Blame at videogames to divert attention. Finally, some people are just jerks. Alcohol, TV, films, games, drugs, etc. are just the excuse, not the cause of their behaviour.
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2008.03.03 14:26:00 - [33] Banning violent video games is not a rogue stupid act. It forms part of a greater trend that I called the Mamasboyification of our youth. The whole plan includes stuff like: 1) Keeping our youngsters free of violent games. 2) Making a law to wear helmets while riding bicycles. 3) Not airing Tom & Jerry cartoons beating the crap out of each other. 4) Making illegal for a group of people (mostly teenagers) to congregate on the street. 5) ...and many others... I still don't know the purpose of this campaign but I can tell you something... If this keeps going on, we gonna have to change the 50 stars of the flag with 50 fuzzy carebears.
AndrewRyan	Posted - 2008.03.03 14:56:00 - [34] Violent games and movies probably do inspire a minority of whackos into carrying out their sick fantasies but people like that don't take much inspiring and would get their ideas from elsewhere in the long run. The real issue here is that some people think that because they find something distasteful or offensive it should be banned, like the people who watch a TV program and complain it has sex or violence in despite being warned "this program contains nudity/violence" and start writing to the watchdogs. Self censorship is how it should be done, if you don't like something don't watch it/play it. Parents could use better tools about the description of game content as some games like Quake 4 or prey and F.E.A.R and Bioshock are fairly gruesome and even disturbing in some ways but adults have the right to choose to play those games. ========================================= A Man chooses, a slave obeys.
Brea Lafail	Posted - 2008.03.03 15:13:00 - [35] I just remembered my parents letting me play turok when I was 12 or so. That must be why Im so messed up, eh?
Great Artista Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.03.03 15:20:00 - [36] Edited by: Great Artista on 03/03/2008 15:26:03 You are ignoring a way bigger problem! Dihydrogen monoxide is used in manu drug and explosive synthesis, its available virtually everywhere and we are all being exposed to this substance all the time! In US alone approx 6500 people die to overdose every year. This substance is killing our children; IT IS THE HIGHEST REASON FOR MORTALITY FOR CHILDREN UNDER 14. Thank goodness, New Zeland has taken action on the matter. We should all follow this remarkable example set by this genious called Jacqui Dean. _______ ◕◡◕
Great Artista Caldari Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.03.03 15:42:00 - [37] I also agree on making decisions based on hype and lacking researches. But I'm sure most of you do too. :) _______ ◕◡◕
Arvald Caldari House of Tempers	Posted - 2008.03.03 15:46:00 - [38] Originally by: EvilWezal Im a Deputy Sheriff in America. I dont think video games make kids violent. Its the parents that are not PARENTING anymore. We get calls all the time from parents who cant control there kids. They want US to do something. We tell them to beat there little arses and be a parent. Its not our job. On the topic of gun control. I think all guns should be avaiable to the public. You are only FREE if you can back it up. Gun control is a slippery slope to a Dictactor. Just my 2 cents. this, and with the way the our government has been recently im suprised that people haven't already tried to "back up their freedom" ---------------------------------------------
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.03 15:49:00 - [39] Originally by: Arvald Originally by: EvilWezal Im a Deputy Sheriff in America. I dont think video games make kids violent. Its the parents that are not PARENTING anymore. We get calls all the time from parents who cant control there kids. They want US to do something. We tell them to beat there little arses and be a parent. Its not our job. On the topic of gun control. I think all guns should be avaiable to the public. You are only FREE if you can back it up. Gun control is a slippery slope to a Dictactor. Just my 2 cents. this, and with the way the our government has been recently im suprised that people haven't already tried to "back up their freedom" They can't... this administration has been monitoring all comms Originally by: Avaricia look a goon lol
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.03.03 15:56:00 - [40] The only thing in my opinion that had to be done was give parents a rating system so their 5 year olds dont start mowing down zombies and hookers,this has been done and the people at the forefront of the debate(parents that have children that play violent games)dont understand the rating system because its too"hard". Ive always hated people that asked for restriction of both the internet and games,tbh if you dont like violent game THEN DONT BUY THEM!If you dont like the internet THEN DONT PLUG IN YOUR COMPUTER! This is what happens when a kestrel with thermal missiles declares war on earth
Sephra Star	Posted - 2008.03.03 15:56:00 - [41] Edited by: Sephra Star on 03/03/2008 15:59:09 I'll probably get flamed for this, but I really do feel its honest truth. Video Games might contribute to violence, but even if they do it is far less culpable than telivision IMHO. Telivision is the primary device used for our social programming. Consider how much money is spent in commercial advertising to tell us what we like to eat, drink, and do. Why do they spend money on advertising? Because it works. The reason people like to play violent video games is from the social brainwashing they are programmed with primarily from telivision. The violent video games just happen to give people an outlet to act out what they have been programed with from telivision. So in a way I agree with people who say violent video games have little if anything to do with causing people to be violent, but only because I firmly believe it is telivision that is the cause and that video games are merely benign mode of acting it out. Violent Video games may actually contribute to there being less violence in the real world because it may very well be just enough of a fix that some people need to avoid going over the edge and acting out their programmed social compulsions in real life.
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.03.03 16:06:00 - [42] Originally by: Sephra Star Edited by: Sephra Star on 03/03/2008 15:59:09 I'll probably get flamed for this, but I really do feel its honest truth. Video Games might contribute to violence, but even if they do it is far less culpable than telivision IMHO. Telivision is the primary device used for our social programming. Consider how much money is spent in commercial advertising to tell us what we like to eat, drink, and do. Why do they spend money on advertising? Because it works. The reason people like to play violent video games is from the social brainwashing they are programmed with primarily from telivision. The violent video games just happen to give people an outlet to act out what they have been programed with from telivision. So in a way I agree with people who say violent video games have little if anything to do with causing people to be violent, but only because I firmly believe it is telivision that is the cause and that video games are merely benign mode of acting it out. Violent Video games may actually contribute to there being less violence in the real world because it may very well be just enough of a fix that some people need to avoid going over the edge and acting out their programmed social compulsions in real life. I can almost agree with you,but the people that you are talking about must not be the quick type as when I watch tv I dont get hungry for the sandwhiches they try to sell or the creams either,I also dont get pulled into the sublimenal stuff either. But honestly in most cases video games reduce violence rather then contribute to it as some people that are depressed by society are drawn to them so they can"escape". This is what happens when a kestrel with thermal missiles declares war on earth
PhantomMenace Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.03.03 16:20:00 - [43] good point bosie , andrewryan is bugging me now for the last time idiot semi auto shotguns and pumps are allowed in the uk on a section one firarm licence (not a shotgun licence), lots of people have them at my club and are still buying them . i never intended this to be debate on firearms , fact is guns dont kill its the person that does the shoting , i could place a loaded 357 on my desk loaded and it would wouldnt injure a fly unless some idiot picked it up and oulled the trigger
Sephra Star	Posted - 2008.03.03 16:25:00 - [44] This Is Your Brain On Violent Media Violence is a frequent occurrence in television shows and movies, but can watching it make you behave differently? Researchers at Columbia University Medical CenterÆs Functional Magnetic Resonance Imaging (fMRI) Research Center have shown that watching violent programs can cause parts of your brain that suppress aggressive behaviors to become less active. Columbia University scientists show that a brain network responsible for suppressing behaviors like inappropriate or unwarranted aggression (including the right lateral orbitofrontal cortex, or right ltOFC, and the amygdala) became less active after study subjects watched several short clips from popular movies depicting acts of violence. These changes could render people less able to control their own aggressive behavior. Indeed the authors found that, even among their own subjects, less activation in this network was characteristic of people reporting an above average tendency to behave aggressively. This characteristic was measured through a personality test. A secondary finding was that after repeated viewings of violence, an area of the brain associated with planning behaviors became more active. This lends further support to the idea that exposure to violence diminishes the brainÆs ability to inhibit behavior-related processing. None of these changes in brain activity occurred when subjects watched non-violent but equally engaging movies depicting scenes of horror or physical activity. ôThese changes in the brainÆs behavioral control circuits were specific to the repeated exposure to the violent clips,ö said Joy Hirsch, Ph.D., professor of Functional Neuroradiology, Psychology, and Neuroscience and Director of the Center for fMRI at CUMC, and the PLoS ONE paperÆs senior author. ôEven when the level of action in the control movies was comparable, we just did not observe the same changes in brain response that we did when the subjects viewed the violent clips.ö ôDepictions of violent acts have become very common in the popular media,ö said Christopher Kelly, the first author on the paper and a current CUMC medical student. ôOur findings demonstrate for the first time that watching media depictions of violence does influence processing in parts of the brain that control behaviors like aggression. This is an important finding, and further research should examine very closely how these changes affect real-life behavior.ö This research was published in the Dec. 5 on-line issue of PLoS One (published by the Public Library of Science), http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/12/071206093014.htm
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.03.03 16:31:00 - [45] Edited by: goodby4u on 03/03/2008 16:31:50 Edited by: goodby4u on 03/03/2008 16:31:23 Originally by: Sephra Star This Is Your Brain On Violent Media Violence is a frequent occurrence in television shows and movies, but can watching it make you behave differently? Researchers at Columbia University Medical CenterÆs Functional Magnetic Resonance Imaging (fMRI) Research Center have shown that watching violent programs can cause parts of your brain that suppress aggressive behaviors to become less active. Columbia University scientists show that a brain network responsible for suppressing behaviors like inappropriate or unwarranted aggression (including the right lateral orbitofrontal cortex, or right ltOFC, and the amygdala) became less active after study subjects watched several short clips from popular movies depicting acts of violence. These changes could render people less able to control their own aggressive behavior. Indeed the authors found that, even among their own subjects, less activation in this network was characteristic of people reporting an above average tendency to behave aggressively. This characteristic was measured through a personality test. A secondary finding was that after repeated viewings of violence, an area of the brain associated with planning behaviors became more active. This lends further support to the idea that exposure to violence diminishes the brainÆs ability to inhibit behavior-related processing. None of these changes in brain activity occurred when subjects watched non-violent but equally engaging movies depicting scenes of horror or physical activity. ôThese changes in the brainÆs behavioral control circuits were specific to the repeated exposure to the violent clips,ö said Joy Hirsch, Ph.D., professor of Functional Neuroradiology, Psychology, and Neuroscience and Director of the Center for fMRI at CUMC, and the PLoS ONE paperÆs senior author. ôEven when the level of action in the control movies was comparable, we just did not observe the same changes in brain response that we did when the subjects viewed the violent clips.ö ôDepictions of violent acts have become very common in the popular media,ö said Christopher Kelly, the first author on the paper and a current CUMC medical student. ôOur findings demonstrate for the first time that watching media depictions of violence does influence processing in parts of the brain that control behaviors like aggression. This is an important finding, and further research should examine very closely how these changes affect real-life behavior.ö This research was published in the Dec. 5 on-line issue of PLoS One (published by the Public Library of Science), http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/12/071206093014.htm I guess but planning and doing are two entirely different things. I would be lying if I said I have never had thoughts about how to kill someone,we are human we all have those thoughts...However ive never done such an act and will probably never do so unless its necessary. Though truthfully the mentally unstable shouldnt play violent video games if they cannot seperate reality from fiction most others should be fine. This is what happens when a kestrel with thermal missiles declares war on earth
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2008.03.03 16:32:00 - [46] do you behavioral psychologists, doctoral students, constitutional scholars and pandering moralists know what politicization means? ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
Sephra Star	Posted - 2008.03.03 16:38:00 - [47] Originally by: goodby4u Edited by: goodby4u on 03/03/2008 16:31:50 Edited by: goodby4u on 03/03/2008 16:31:23 I guess but planning and doing are two entirely different things. I would be lying if I said I have never had thoughts about how to kill someone,we are human we all have those thoughts...However ive never done such an act and will probably never do so unless its necessary. Though truthfully the mentally unstable shouldnt play violent video games if they cannot seperate reality from fiction most others should be fine. Lets then add in the factor of the massive ditribution of psychiatric medications being doled out to children and adults that play into this equation. Medications (poisens really)that have been prooven beyond any doubt whatsoever end up contributing to suicidal as well as homicidal behaviors.
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated	Posted - 2008.03.03 16:50:00 - [48] Originally by: Sephra Star Edited by: Sephra Star on 03/03/2008 16:44:54 Originally by: goodby4u Edited by: goodby4u on 03/03/2008 16:31:50 Edited by: goodby4u on 03/03/2008 16:31:23 I guess but planning and doing are two entirely different things. I would be lying if I said I have never had thoughts about how to kill someone,we are human we all have those thoughts...However ive never done such an act and will probably never do so unless its necessary. Though truthfully the mentally unstable shouldnt play violent video games if they cannot seperate reality from fiction most others should be fine. Lets then add in the factor of the massive ditribution of psychiatric medications being doled out to children and adults that play into this equation. Medications (poisens really)that have been prooven beyond any doubt whatsoever end up contributing to suicidal as well as homicidal behaviors. Aderol is a cocain Pill. (pumps up the dopamine) Massively distributed?Appearently its not working because im not suicidal or homicidal and know nobody like that. This is what happens when a kestrel with thermal missiles declares war on earth
Surfin's PlunderBunny Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.03 16:52:00 - [49] Hold on a second.... back to OP... what the hell is a death tax? Originally by: Avaricia look a goon lol
Sephra Star	Posted - 2008.03.03 16:53:00 - [50] The list of anti depressent SSRI's is pretty extensive. I have done quite a bit of personal research on the long term effects psychiatric medications. Try surfing the forums of psychiatric medication survivors who had there lives turned into living hells by taking them. People desperate to get off of them looking for help from others who have been through it.
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2008.03.03 17:01:00 - [51] Originally by: Sephra Star The list of anti depressent SSRI's is pretty extensive. I have done quite a bit of personal research on the long term effects psychiatric medications. Try surfing the forums of psychiatric medication survivors who had there lives turned into living hells by taking them. People desperate to get off of them looking for help from others who have been through it. internet research itt APPLY ONLINE AT DEVRY UNIVERSITY NOW ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
SoftRevolution	Posted - 2008.03.03 17:04:00 - [52] Originally by: Surfin's PlunderBunny Hold on a second.... back to OP... what the hell is a death tax? This. EVE RELATED CONTENT
Shameless Avenger	Posted - 2008.03.03 17:08:00 - [53] WTF!? They tax your arse after you die?!
Sephra Star	Posted - 2008.03.03 17:31:00 - [54] Edited by: Sephra Star on 03/03/2008 17:36:54 Originally by: Erotic Irony Originally by: Sephra Star The list of anti depressent SSRI's is pretty extensive. I have done quite a bit of personal research on the long term effects psychiatric medications. Try surfing the forums of psychiatric medication survivors who had there lives turned into living hells by taking them. People desperate to get off of them looking for help from others who have been through it. internet research itt APPLY ONLINE AT DEVRY UNIVERSITY NOW I can only presume your trying to be sarcastic about my remark of doing research on the internet about the effects of psychiatric drugs. Perhaps I should have explained why I was bothing. At the time I was taking care of someone who was taking them. She was having uncontrollable epileptic like siezures on a daily basis compounded by near death emergency room visits for various unexplained physiologicfal conditions. We determined it had to do with drug toxicity from her prescription medications and began to ween her off the medications she was on. We ended up having to admit her into a psych ward for attempting suicide. Turned out she had been secretly planning it for a good long while. The woman in question had a PHD in Psychology... She was also into law enforcement as a career until she became disabled. The vast majority of her free time was spent watching the CRIME shows on telivision and her favorite ones were the documentaries on murder investigations of serial killers and domestic murders. Go figure
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.03.03 18:10:00 - [55] Its all that rock and roll turning our kids evil!!! errrr BAN VIDEOGAMES they are evil!!!!!
Dirtee Girl Omega Enterprises Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.03.03 18:54:00 - [56] my favourite was when FPS games were reffered to as "murder simulators" . "everything you need to know about shooting someone or going on a rampage can be learned in a game like this " - talking about goldeneye * *
baltec1 Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.03 19:21:00 - [57] Is it just me or does the topic of "violent games" always seem to come up just after a mass shooting? Like the Cop said. its not games its poor parenting, bullying and peer preasure. But it does help if parents didn't buy games for under age kids, if only to stop 12 year olds screaming and swearing down my 360 mic
Admrl Cain Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.03 19:40:00 - [58] A violent game is no worse than constantly showing scenes of war in movies and the news. Thus, sounds more like these morons have bias. Only difference is in a game, you can't sign up for legal (real life) killing like you can in the name of any country ;) ---------------------------------------- Admiral Cain. Yep, that's right.. mmhmmm
PhantomMenace Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2008.03.03 19:48:00 - [59] surfin the death tax has been around here in the crappy uk for a long time and has been rightly complained about for a long time , basically when you die and leave stuff, money etc to your family they have to pay tax on their gains even though the goverment has allready recieved tax on that money they want more , so it became known as death tax . In the uk now elderly people give their money to their family to hide for them so the corrupt goverment dont find out about it
Ademaro Imre Caldari	Posted - 2008.03.03 21:13:00 - [60] Originally by: Dan Glebitts Originally by: PhantomMenace the gun laws in the uk are the strictist in the world atm That would be Japan if memory serves. It helps that there entire culture loathes the mere concept of guns. Violent games creates violent individuals = lol Guns ARE designed to kill people. Thats why they were invented. And no human should own or operate a gun... It has no place in any respectable society. Japan is hardly a role model. When it comes to guns and gun control, Japan is a near dictator ship and police state in regards to monitoring anyone with a gun. If the police wnat to search your home in Japan, all they need to do is cite a "gun" reason and away they go. If they think you have a sword - that is reason enough for the polcie to go through your home. That's the secret about Japan, a police state masked in a democracy. Even if you are a legal hunter in Japan, expect the police to come and count your shells, more than once a year to make sure you are not shooting too much. Japan's non-gun crime rate is also about 1.5% of the US. Its not that Japan hates guns. Their homogenous culture respects laws. This is a nation where Japanese citizenship is a right of bloodline, not birthplace. The aim of politics is to keep the populace alarmed and clamorous to be saved by menacing it with imaginary hobgoblins. The urge to save humanity is a false front for the urge to rule it.

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