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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2008.03.03 11:10:00 -
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They should bring me in as a guest on the final day and have me commentate tbqh.
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Wu Jiun
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Posted - 2008.03.03 11:14:00 -
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I like most of the commentary. Remember its a very hard job. The guys don't know what the different ships actually have fitted. They can only guess from the few graphical effects or well common sense but it just remains a guess.
Especially with at least scramblers out of the way there are much more varieties on what can be fielded. Many ships will field some ewar mods that wouldn't be fielded by those ships on tq ever.
Then they're mostly probably not professional moderators for tv either. I can sure imagine many people who talk big here wouldn't be able to make a single reasonable sentence when they found theirself in that situation.
They don't know who is jammed/dampened either. If i.e. a remote rep chain breaks it can have different reasons. Was it the neuting curse that overcame the cap tranfers, or was it a mistake on part of the logistic pilot or did some jamming finally kick in or maybe something else? You can make all kinds of guesses and i'd say in 90% of situations they actually make reasonable ones.
That all being said there was two things that made me particularly shudder. One is the idea that every arbitrator needs to be equipped with tracking disruptors when for the most part there is clearly more reasonable choices for this particular tourney and the 4 mids you have there. I didn't like it either when someone said the arbi swarm was tding the thoraxes. There was no graphical indication of that and frankly tding thoraxes is doing jack unless maybe they're trying to hit frigs. Then the arbi will most likely not ever field sentries because it only has 50m¦ bandwitdth one would bring a vex to do that. So i feel my beloved arbi has been raped a bit but its not such a common ship and not everyone has firsthand experience with it.
Second thing one of the guys had the idea that phantasms are a brilliant idea to counter stealth bombers. I totally didn't understand where he got that from besides the fact the winning team had phantasms and well the losing one had stealth bombers. Can anyone explain? I mean i know they have tracking bonus and stuff but well that can't be the holy grail? I've seen a whole lot of bombers die to other ships too in this tourney. Does anyone know who that was? I am not sure but i think that man is sometimes not as spot on as other guys like stavros or even kiaeddz.
I found it particularly strange how he kind of interviewed stavros and permanently suggested/asked about certain things that well didn't all sound very consistent tbh. Like that phantasm thing for example but there was other stuff there too.
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Digital Solaris
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Posted - 2008.03.03 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk They should bring me in as a guest on the final day and have me commentate tbqh.
With you on the brink of weeping, wearing your ambiguously *** hat. I hereby approve of this.
But please, from a guy playing a girl toon to another, tone it down.
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Unreal5
Malicious Intentions
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Posted - 2008.03.03 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: DTee Edited by: DTee on 03/03/2008 10:51:48 I totally agree your on TV to potentially 1000s of people. Its only professional to dress the part and make yourself look half descent.
It would also help to have a countdown before each match and someway of showing which team is on which side in a match.
They should also consider getting on TS or Eve voice with the team that has just taken part in a match to ge ta real picture of what happened. (I am pretty sure its not THAT hard to grab TS details and then air the audio over evetv.
Do define decent please.
I consider being decent having clothes on even tho Junkie and Oveur are sexy devils. Your version of EvETV should be this (replace Golf with EvE to get the idea).
You're being told when the match starts, you're being told who is on which side is which and what ships they have. If you can't understand get someone do explain it to you, someone who can understand human speech.
Want to whine with no reason at all? Try WoW, its full of people who come on internets to moan and whine all day long, because a team works hard to make it fun for you. ASD |
EVETV spiralJunkie
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Posted - 2008.03.03 11:32:00 -
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Originally by: Uncle Mo The commentary has been awful so far. They don't know what's going on half the time; they can't see ships on screen or control what they see to commentate on it; and they talk like they're on TS or Vent with their buddies. Also there's constant technical problems. This is your fifth tourny right?
Fourth, and I daresay the improvement is definitely visible; extra cameras, instant replay, massive graphical improvements, Trinity (Ok, EVE TV weren't really involved in that one). We had an hour of issues where the sound was borked, and people had that fixed very fast. Aside from that, I'm not aware of any technical issues. If there are any that come to your attention, please bring them to me personally, at [email protected] .
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Whose the slob with the dirty teeshirt and curly hair in the 'studio' running the end commentary? You are on TV for crips sake. Comb your hair, shave and put on some slacks and a polo at least! It's bad enough we have to listen to your drivel. Also would it be too much to ask for you to back up your opinions with some sort of game knowlege other than "These guys are n00bs!"? Sit up stright, speak clearly and in complete sentences and at least sound like you know what you're talking about.
Hi, that's me. It's not nice being mean on the internet. I'm fairly sure I generally offer marginal opinions: My job consists of guiding conversation, not calling people noobs. Also, I like to think of myself as student chic, not scruffy. I do, however, concede that I need a haircut. Sadly this will cost around $400 here in Iceland, so I have to sell some assets before I can get to that.
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Consider ditching the blonde sidline commentator who has no clue what's going on.
Stevie's addition to the team nine months ago has brought a lot to the broadcast, and still hasn't detracted from the show. She's certainly not just a T&A addition, but is instead an intelligent, pointed interviewer, and is serving as a good conduit for the people to access the Commentary team
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CCP, hire a professional production crew for God's sake (Get some free interns from the local university)! These guys are representing your company and once again it seems as if everything was simply thrown together in someone's basement.
We do have a professional production crew. Also we have some interns from a University. The production value is very high. I don't understand what you're comparing us to that we don't stand up to.
All in all, I think we're putting on the best coverage of the tournaments we ever have, but there's still a lot we can improve.
Also, apologies, I'm posting this from a Danish Keyboard, so there may be the odd errant character that has swept in. Have a good day. _
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ISD Deckard Bishop
ISD Interstellar Correspondents
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Posted - 2008.03.03 11:47:00 -
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I am going to add my comment to this.
Spiral, Stevie, Loxy and the rest of the team work hard to bring the community this broadcast. Its not something they just turn up and do, it takes a lot of preparation.
I have managed to watch all the tournys thus far and each one is better broadcast/presented than the last. Can improvements be made? Of course, that is the nature of the beast. You do a thing and you learn from it. I am sure that the crew welcome any constructive feedback regarding how to improve things.
Coming on here and flaming and trolling will not improve things.
But at the end of the day: If you dont like it, dont watch it.
Deckard Bishop Captain Interstellar Correspondents
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Ozstar
Naughty 40 Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.03.03 12:03:00 -
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Keep up the good work all involved.
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pipvac
Sacred Templars DeStInY.
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Posted - 2008.03.03 12:15:00 -
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Edited by: pipvac on 03/03/2008 12:17:15 Set designs, production values, item links, etc etc have improved significantly over past tournaments. The couch discussions are interesting and informative. The streaming has been more reliable for me than any previous incarnation. There is a great deal to praise regarding EVE TVs efforts here.
The only things which detracts from the viewing experience is the live commentaryof the matches themselves. Probably unconsciously, under the pressures of a live broadcast, there are alot of remarks made which seem divorced of what is actually happening on screen. Comments on tactics, which fail to take into account the setups (or possible setups) which are being used. Which in itself, develops an impression of bias against one team or another, no doubt unintentionally.
It must be hard to keep the dialogue going, concentrating on live events, and giving a realistic interpretation. However, its does create some cringe worthy moments. That may be part of its charm I suppose.
Either way, I think they need to be far more cautious about making damning remarks about one team or another, and think more about the implications of the setups that may have been used.
Let me say, I do not have the skill or inclanation to play such a role as commentator. I can only judge from a 'viewer's' experience. So anything they may do will be better than me sitting there like a rabbit in headlights, dribbling uncontrollably, with an odd moist sensation in the gusset of my underwear.
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Madelchai
Gallente Stimulus The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.03.03 12:26:00 -
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Originally by: Uncle Mo The commentary has been awful so far. They don't know what's going on half the time; they can't see ships on screen or control what they see to commentate on it; and they talk like they're on TS or Vent with their buddies. Also there's constant technical problems. This is your fifth tourny right?
Whose the slob with the dirty teeshirt and curly hair in the 'studio' running the end commentary? You are on TV for crips sake. Comb your hair, shave and put on some slacks and a polo at least! It's bad enough we have to listen to your drivel. Also would it be too much to ask for you to back up your opinions with some sort of game knowlege other than "These guys are n00bs!"? Sit up stright, speak clearly and in complete sentences and at least sound like you know what you're talking about. Consider ditching the blonde sidline commentator who has no clue what's going on.
CCP, hire a professional production crew for God's sake (Get some free interns from the local university)! These guys are representing your company and once again it seems as if everything was simply thrown together in someone's basement.
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Sha4d13
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Posted - 2008.03.03 12:33:00 -
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Please dont put tyrax back on....
His sullen teenager act, staring at the floor and mumbling half finished sentences, was just too cringeworthy to suffer again....
The absurd hat is just a side issue.
Everyone else has been fine- though of course a few odd misguided comments and occasional clangers.
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Verone
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.03.03 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: Uncle Mo The commentary has been awful so far. They don't know what's going on half the time; they can't see ships on screen or control what they see to commentate on it; and they talk like they're on TS or Vent with their buddies. Also there's constant technical problems. This is your fifth tourny right?
Whose the slob with the dirty teeshirt and curly hair in the 'studio' running the end commentary? You are on TV for crips sake. Comb your hair, shave and put on some slacks and a polo at least! It's bad enough we have to listen to your drivel. Also would it be too much to ask for you to back up your opinions with some sort of game knowlege other than "These guys are n00bs!"? Sit up stright, speak clearly and in complete sentences and at least sound like you know what you're talking about. Consider ditching the blonde sidline commentator who has no clue what's going on.
CCP, hire a professional production crew for God's sake (Get some free interns from the local university)! These guys are representing your company and once again it seems as if everything was simply thrown together in someone's basement.
Flame away.
Continue to post crap, with no constructive suggestions for improvement and your opinions will be ignored.
Continue to post personal attacks, and your opinions will be ignored.
Also, develop a spine and post with your main.
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Fitz Chivalry
eXceed Inc. eXceed.
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Posted - 2008.03.03 12:47:00 -
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I think its pretty good overall though it is kind of funny/sad to see that the commentators just base all their opinions on a 12+ month old COAD perception of who is good at pvp.
I would much rather have players than "professionals" tbh.
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Calmdown
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.03.03 12:56:00 -
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The hatred, it sustains me....om nom nom nom
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DTee
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2008.03.03 13:01:00 -
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Edited by: DTee on 03/03/2008 13:03:20
Originally by: Unreal5
Originally by: DTee Edited by: DTee on 03/03/2008 10:51:48 I totally agree your on TV to potentially 1000s of people. Its only professional to dress the part and make yourself look half descent.
It would also help to have a countdown before each match and someway of showing which team is on which side in a match.
They should also consider getting on TS or Eve voice with the team that has just taken part in a match to ge ta real picture of what happened. (I am pretty sure its not THAT hard to grab TS details and then air the audio over evetv.
Do define decent please.
I consider being decent having clothes on even tho Junkie and Oveur are sexy devils. Your version of EvETV should be this (replace Golf with EvE to get the idea).
You're being told when the match starts, you're being told who is on which side is which and what ships they have. If you can't understand get someone do explain it to you, someone who can understand human speech.
Want to whine with no reason at all? Try WoW, its full of people who come on internets to moan and whine all day long, because a team works hard to make it fun for you.
Wow your pathetic.
I can't say that the team dont work hard or haven't done well. I just feel they have the potential to do much better with suggestions and feedback.
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Bezerkius
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Posted - 2008.03.03 13:16:00 -
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I've really enjoyed the tournament this year and actually think EVE TV has done a great job. Some people do better than others, but the bottom line is that I get to watch the tournament and listen to commentary from people who play the same game as me. Its interesting to hear their comments and helps fill in the blank spots when I'm watching two guardians rep something.
Sure, the red hat was **gg*ty, but to have the IAC dude come in after his match and explain what went wrong was kind of cool.
You EVE Tv dudes shouldn't feel like you have to defend yourselves, just keep on keeping on.
PS. Needs more SUAS and maybe a couple of dudes from BOB, MC, RZR, RA and any of the other big alliances to talk about in-game stuff in between the lull in the tourney.
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Omega Man
The Geddy Foundation
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Posted - 2008.03.03 13:22:00 -
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I am no fanboi of anyones (see posting history) but I am not having this from the OP, its very easy to criticise, but as you clearly show difficult to do it well or constructively.
Your post is rude and offensive on a personal level, as opposed to a game level. You intended it to be.
Letting real EVE gamers who are very knowledgeable about the game front the show is fantastic.
Thank the lord we not got a bunch of cookie-cut mediatypes reading off autocue and having no damn clue what they are saying. The people presenting it are fine in dress and demeanour, its an internet spaceships game for god-sake.
The improvement over previous tournaments is immense (some of the early efforts were grim, alcohol is only fun for those drinking it)
All the people that have put themselves in front of the camera have done very well. Whatever you may think, things are different when you are sitting in a studio with the cameras and lights on you.
Tyrrax Thorrk does have a rather soft spoken manner (thats fine), but he is there and gives a different slant on things, he really is in the thick of it, running a team, losing expensive ships. I like what he brings to the table. I dont think its sullen teenager, i think its more nerves and actually thinking about what he says before the words just drop out of his face and the fact he may well simply be soft-spoken. The hat, its kinda fun, its not hurting anyone, anyone taking offence to that needs to consider their life values.
People looked comfortable in what they were wearing and nothing was offensive about their attire.
Commentating on the matches is rather difficult, and certainly having more things to say to fill in the gaps when nothing appears to be happening would be handy. The commentators know this, but what the hell they talk about is a different matter.
One solution i think is to actually not run the matches live. Rather show the matches AFTER they have actually taken place. This way things can be prepared more. Know its a crap boring match, then get those questions lined up, talk about something else while the tanks hold.
Maybe even interview the teams that took part, the technology has to exist, lets hear what the competitiors were thinking when involved in the match.
This moaning about how people pronounce stuff, what they look like, how they talk is somewhat depressing at one level. On another level it shows how little you got to moan about in this tournament.
And the EVETV crew is just the tip of iceberg on this one. There are hundreds of people ingame which have worked extremely hard to put up teams for this.
I was dismissive of "When Fat Kids Attack" in a previous post, as being a "comedy option". Well I seem to have been wrong, really there have been none of the idiot pranks of previous tournaments so far and all competitors seem to be determined to do themselves proud.
Well done all involved in bringing us this great tournament. -
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NeoTheo
Final Conflict UK SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.03 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk They should bring me in as a guest on the final day and have me commentate tbqh.
dude, your hat... ------- woot a sig -------
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Tissa
Minmatar Alice in Wonderland Derek Knows Us
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Posted - 2008.03.03 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: NeoTheo
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk They should bring me in as a guest on the final day and have me commentate tbqh.
dude, your hat...
Dutch pron star tbh.
No wonder you're late. Why, this watch is exactly two days slow.
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Tyrael Primus
The Commissum
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Posted - 2008.03.03 13:33:00 -
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I think it's great that we've got real players providing commentary and I don't want them to be impartial - its more fun that way. Great job EveTv
Stevie's gangsta quote was awesome, but the thermal beserkers...
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NeoTheo
Final Conflict UK SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.03 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: Tissa
Originally by: NeoTheo
Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk They should bring me in as a guest on the final day and have me commentate tbqh.
dude, your hat...
Dutch pron star tbh.
indeedy, i have to admit, maybe they could put them in the CCP shop, with a a sign that says "RIP impoc" ------- woot a sig -------
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Zathi Shaitan
Minmatar Illiteracy Combatants
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Posted - 2008.03.03 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: Casino Alkasar at least its hard for me as foreign speaker to figure out what theyre saying when they both speak at the same time
It has nothing to do with being foreign or not. 2 people speaking at the same time is just... rude and shows an utter lack of professionalism.
I'm not even going to the "Spiral's fifty ways to pronounce a ship's name wrongly".
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Zathi Shaitan
Minmatar Illiteracy Combatants
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Posted - 2008.03.03 13:35:00 -
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Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk They should bring me in as a guest on the final day and have me commentate tbqh.
/signed.
You looked better with the beard, but my wife thinks your hat gives you a "distinguished look". heh, go figure.
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John McCreedy
Caldari Eve Defence Force Insurgency
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Posted - 2008.03.03 13:58:00 -
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Generally I think the team is doing a good job but I do agree on the point of flaming teams that don't win. It's not your place to flame, you're there to commentate on procedings and duscuss opinions on the pros and cons of the battle. A little more professionalism on this point would be welcome.
Other than that, in terms of production, I think they're doing a great job. I just don't like some of the so-called experts they have. It's one thing to look good and/or be confident on camera but that doesn't mean you're automatically good at commentary. This isn't a sleight at the team, just simply a suggestion to utilise the strengths of each member to the best of their abilities. For example, while Stavros has a certain roguish charm that comes across well in the studio, his commentary is constant torrent of words which doesn't allow his co-commentator to get a word in edge ways. He also mumbles and digresses too much for commentary where as for example Verone and Edz co-commentate well and speak clearly and on topic.
Finally, as for StevieSG, I think the problem with her is her limited role of being a gofa between the forum and the commentators. Give her a bigger role and she shines, as she did in the weekly show. How about some post-match interviews with the team captians? Or having her host one of the slots in the studio. She'd be easier on the eye than old Ginger nuts
Just food for thought. The show is good, you guys work hard so keep up the good work. On the whole, it's really enjoyable.
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Chronos VIII
Amarr Infinitus Odium The Church.
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Posted - 2008.03.03 14:06:00 -
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-10 dkp for the OP ..... ohwait...nvm
I think the eve-tv crew is doing an awesome job, really enjoyed the tournament so far. As stated before, if you dont like it, dont tune in. ps.: Turn up the sound next time, there are quite a few people who cant understand what you saying due to volume issues. Chronos
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Ombey
Obsidian Inc. KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.03 14:07:00 -
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I've really enjoyed the commentary/ production so far, even plugged spare laptop streaming it into lounge TV, forcing wife and son to watch it. They are getting into also (apart from my son smirking at the red hat )
I think the stream has been pretty damn smooth this year, they are mostly talking in synch- a vasy improvement from number 4. Production has been good, StevieSG is a bit underused, but the punditry has been good. I don't know all about the different ship/s setups, nor do i care. I eat up the commentary and just enjoy it for what it is.
However, is it technically possible to regularly flash up the names of who's who? I recognise Eddz, Verone, Stavros, Calmdown & Mindstar (isn't he the one in the "and then he ate all the children!" sig?), but some of the others I have no idea who they are as I missed the introductions.
Keep it up, looking forward to watching more tonight! -- 2d EveMaps
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Jaseara
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Posted - 2008.03.03 14:10:00 -
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Edited by: Jaseara on 03/03/2008 14:14:21 Stavros annoyed the hell out of me last year he basically shouted over and put down on everyone before they even finished a sentence. Ifni could barely get a sentence out last year.
However this year he's improved somewhat and actually looks as though he's thinking about his repsonses and puts purposeful breaks in to let others speak.
Verone is doing a excellent job verbally just needs to use an iron.
There was a US guy commentating last night that didn't shut up. The other guy couldn't get a word in.
Think CCP haven't had a good showing this year. Not sure what is with the attitude but they're coming across as seriously dull and clueless.
Spiral does fairly well seen as he's in the chair for a very long time. Just loses it occasionally becuase he needs a break lol
EDIT: TT no offense but sat there mumbling trying look cool and nonchalant in a nine year old girls cowboy hat doesn't quite do it for me. KiaEddz was funny watching the KIA match showed some interest at least.
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ISD Tsuki Kiyuu
ISD Interstellar Correspondents
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Posted - 2008.03.03 14:15:00 -
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I think Omega Man above summed it up perfectly. Have to agree entirely there.
Keep up the good work Eve-TV!
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Miss Galencia
Gallente Crimson Industries and Development Evolution Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.03 14:18:00 -
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This is the first tournamant I've watched on EveTV and I have to say I'm very impressed with it all. Keep up the good work guys, I for one appreciate it :)
The only semi negative comment I have is that sometimes the commentators tend to ramble on a bit when important things are happening that they miss completely, but it happens..
And Kudos to the teams involved for putting on some good shows. Looking forward to next week!
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Iwoei
Red.
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Posted - 2008.03.03 14:34:00 -
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The good: - Glad they show the games in the first place. - Commentary is nice, aftertalk is cool, personally I kind of ignore the latter and take it as a commercial break, but it's quite obvious some here enjoy it. - How much other games provide this kind of service?
The bad: - Agree about the technical issues. First thing that bugged me was the few games where you couldn't watch teams/drones in red/blue. The other was the difference in volumes, had to adjust between games, which ultimately is something I don't enjoy doing for hardware reasons. - Took the **** looking at the last game of the day when that KIA-dude freaked out. The other commentary tried to at least say what happened and stay focused while the other guy just screamed and screamed and screamed as if it was a C-horror movie. I realise you're involved in it but after saying 50 times you're nervous and screaming go for your team, I had to stop watching. To some extent you can accept he wants to support his team but would've been better off to use someone else to comment if he's going to behave like that. - Agree that the commentary guys miss alot of the things that's happening. Jamming been mentioned here, that's something I'm surprised is not mentioned more. Another thing is a few games where they seem surprised a ship is poppped even tho we could see the droneswarm move way way way before the ship died. - Agree that they talk way too much, often it seems they talk just to talk, saying repetative things. If they don't want to go silent, just ask a question to the other guy about thoughts on strategies etc instead of randomly talk to make sure it's not silent?
All in all: I'm very glad they provide it, would be sad to see it go away because some people take the **** and don't appreciate the service.
Keep it up guys.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2008.03.03 14:54:00 -
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I think that it's been pretty good so far.
Of course, it would have been better with me, but it's still pretty good.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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