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Last Wolf Templars of Space	Posted - 2008.03.03 16:55:00 - [1] Edited by: Last Wolf on 03/03/2008 16:56:28 Yes, let stealth bombers lock a target and fire cruise missiles while cloaked Except... When a stealth bomber fires cloaked, It shows up on the overview but is not able to be locked by anything but another cloaked stealth bomber. Once something closes the range and uncloaks the bomber, Its free game to being locked by anything. Think of it this way, once it fires its missiles you know where it is at, but you cannot shoot at it till it is uncloaked. uncloaking and re-cloaking will remove it from the overview again, assuming none of it's missiles are still en route to a target Also, besides the missiles, activating anything other than self-"buffing"(sensor boosters, damage control etc..) modules will uncloak the bomber (Warp scrams, passive targeters, sensor damps etc...) MWD/AB will also uncloak the bomber. Originally by: Liang Nuren wrong forum isroy i am vjery drunm
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2008.03.03 16:58:00 - [2] ahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahaha ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
Avan Strega Thunderstruck.	Posted - 2008.03.03 17:02:00 - [3] why is this idea necessary?
Cogswin Iannyen	Posted - 2008.03.03 17:03:00 - [4] I think thats a bit silly. I think that SB's need to be looked at, but wouldn't your solution make them pretty much invulnerable to anything slower than it? It really just encourages the Nanofaggotry thats so prevalent. I'd think that a better adjustment would be to add a cruise missle velocity bonus of +150%, and possibly a +5%/level of CovOps ROF on cruise launchers? That would get the missles to the target faster, at least allowing the SB's to do their job and possibly recloak before someone can target them back. Would turn it into an actual sniper/surgical striker.
Waxau	Posted - 2008.03.03 17:04:00 - [5] The laughter... Its... Taking.... Over.... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
xxxak	Posted - 2008.03.03 17:05:00 - [6] As proposed, your idea sounds like it could almost work. I think it would need a lot of tweaking though, because it does not scale well. Imagine 20 bombers who could fire while cloaked. You could kill an entire fleet. lol
VaderDSL Caldari Personal Vendetta Reavers.	Posted - 2008.03.03 17:05:00 - [7] I sign this only for the fact I could go round in my Manticore spamming Quote: Our revels now are ended. Cry havoc, and let slip the dogs of war!
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.03.03 17:06:00 - [8] Originally by: Erotic Irony ahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahaha For once I am in complete agreement with you . "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
Bahhs Deep	Posted - 2008.03.03 17:07:00 - [9] no... Ever heard of "overpowered"?
Last Wolf Templars of Space	Posted - 2008.03.03 17:08:00 - [10] Originally by: Cogswin Iannyen I think thats a bit silly. I think that SB's need to be looked at, but wouldn't your solution make them pretty much invulnerable to anything slower than it? It really just encourages the Nanofaggotry thats so prevalent. They could just warp away, if the SB tries to warp scram them they will be targetable. Or they could use a MWD.. i'm pretty sure even a battleship with an AB is faster than most SB cloaked. (again, if the SB tries to use an AB/MWD they'll be targetable) Originally by: Liang Nuren wrong forum isroy i am vjery drunm
Batelle HOMELESS.	Posted - 2008.03.03 17:08:00 - [11] in before the lock.
arbalesttom Caldari Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.03 17:09:00 - [12] Although this idea is way overpowered, how about missiles will do damage while your cloaked? Stealthbombers can use a buff imho.. *Sig* Originally by: Cpt Branko That is a JoJo, a forum troll used by Amarr whiners. Originally by: Mitnal Locked, one troll after another. Mitnal, Community Representative
CareBeer	Posted - 2008.03.03 17:10:00 - [13] Originally by: Erotic Irony ahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahaha You took the word right out of my mouth
Last Wolf Templars of Space	Posted - 2008.03.03 17:11:00 - [14] Originally by: xxxak As proposed, your idea sounds like it could almost work. I think it would need a lot of tweaking though, because it does not scale well. Imagine 20 bombers who could fire while cloaked. You could kill an entire fleet. lol Even now, 20 stealth bombers could ruin anyone not in a large fleet's day. But a single interceptor could kill the whole gang (assumming it went at least 5km/s +) Originally by: Liang Nuren wrong forum isroy i am vjery drunm
Hannobaal Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.03 17:19:00 - [15] Originally by: Cogswin Iannyen I think thats a bit silly. I think that SB's need to be looked at, but wouldn't your solution make them pretty much invulnerable to anything slower than it? It really just encourages the Nanofaggotry thats so prevalent. I'd think that a better adjustment would be to add a cruise missle velocity bonus of +150%, and possibly a +5%/level of CovOps ROF on cruise launchers? That would get the missles to the target faster, at least allowing the SB's to do their job and possibly recloak before someone can target them back. Would turn it into an actual sniper/surgical striker. The post above shows the real source of whining about Stealth Bombers, which is people just don't know how to use them. 1. Using a stealth bomber solo, uncloaking to snipe at a target with one volley and then cloaking again, is a complete waste of time and ammo. Don't do it. These are small gang ships, to be used with interceptor and interdictor support. Hammer and Anvil. The Stealth Bombers are the hammer. And a gang like that is very, very difficult to catch and pin down, yet they can easily kill anything sub-capital that comes their way. 2. You should have at least 2 sensor dampeners on your ship to prevent your target from locking you. 3. If you do get locked (say from undamped ship near the target), a Stealth Bomber sits so far outside of any kind of scrambling range, that there is no way you can't safely warp out at that point. And aligning for warp is something you should have done before you even uncloaked. There is no other frigate sized ship in the game that can deliver the kind of dps that stealth bombers can deliver from the kind of range, and safety, that stealth bombers can do. Any other frigate size ship that does anywhere near that kind of damage, does it within web range. This, and their cloaking bonuses, makes Stealth Bombers excellent ships.
xxxak	Posted - 2008.03.03 17:19:00 - [16] It is an innovative idea, and something like it could work. But as proposed, it would make a fleet of SB literally invincible, and that is no good.
Haradgrim Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.03.03 17:46:00 - [17] A fleet sized stealth bomber gang would decimate anything, this is by far the dumbest idea I've ever read on these forums. I mean did the OP even think about it?? have they even flown a stealth bomber????? Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed
Willy Joe	Posted - 2008.03.03 17:52:00 - [18] Originally by: Batelle in before the lock. You don't understand ... the lock is never coming , this thread can fire while cloaked woosh
X99 Z990	Posted - 2008.03.03 17:54:00 - [19] What about decloaking after it activates missiles? And requires a passive targeter to get the lock while cloaked... And... yea its probably a bad idea.
Wideen Eon Project Legion of Honor	Posted - 2008.03.03 18:19:00 - [20] How about no? Go use one of the available I-win ships instead Originally by: F'nog Your math intrigues me, and I wish to subscribe to its newsletter.
RuleoftheBone Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.03.03 18:22:00 - [21] Originally by: Hannobaal The post above shows the real source of whining about Stealth Bombers, which is people just don't know how to use them. 1. Using a stealth bomber solo, uncloaking to snipe at a target with one volley and then cloaking again, is a complete waste of time and ammo. Don't do it. These are small gang ships, to be used with interceptor and interdictor support. Hammer and Anvil. The Stealth Bombers are the hammer. And a gang like that is very, very difficult to catch and pin down, yet they can easily kill anything sub-capital that comes their way. 2. You should have at least 2 sensor dampeners on your ship to prevent your target from locking you. 3. If you do get locked (say from undamped ship near the target), a Stealth Bomber sits so far outside of any kind of scrambling range, that there is no way you can't safely warp out at that point. And aligning for warp is something you should have done before you even uncloaked. There is no other frigate sized ship in the game that can deliver the kind of dps that stealth bombers can deliver from the kind of range, and safety, that stealth bombers can do. Any other frigate size ship that does anywhere near that kind of damage, does it within web range. This, and their cloaking bonuses, makes Stealth Bombers excellent ships. 100% spot on. And who says Goons don't know how to fly other than T1 pap . "Lead Me..Follow Me..Or get the **** out of my way" General George Patton USA
Weeka Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2008.03.03 19:34:00 - [22] wipes beer from his monitor
Annowyn	Posted - 2008.03.03 19:45:00 - [23] Originally by: Last Wolf Edited by: Last Wolf on 03/03/2008 16:56:28 Yes, let stealth bombers lock a target and fire cruise missiles while cloaked Except... When a stealth bomber fires cloaked, It shows up on the overview but is not able to be locked by anything but another cloaked stealth bomber. Once something closes the range and uncloaks the bomber, Its free game to being locked by anything. Think of it this way, once it fires its missiles you know where it is at, but you cannot shoot at it till it is uncloaked. uncloaking and re-cloaking will remove it from the overview again, assuming none of it's missiles are still en route to a target Also, besides the missiles, activating anything other than self-"buffing"(sensor boosters, damage control etc..) modules will uncloak the bomber (Warp scrams, passive targeters, sensor damps etc...) MWD/AB will also uncloak the bomber. K.
Trevor Warps	Posted - 2008.03.03 19:45:00 - [24] No, it would make the rogue overpowered and I like the Paladin better. So, no.
Kell Braugh	Posted - 2008.03.03 20:04:00 - [25] The only thing that could remotly be a nice buff but not TOO overpowered (like the OP's lol suggestion), would be the abilty to passively target while clocked, and forced uncloaking on module activation. But then it should not be able to cloak again till the weapon module cycle is done (in which case if someone gets a lock during such time they are locked and unable to cloak), and if they cloak before the cruises hit, they cause no damage (since cruises are ACTIVELY guided). Its a step in the right direction, imo, but not a giant leap like wtf pwning absolutely no viable counter. You idea, in its many flaws, fails to realize that under that situation, any ship approaching the cluster**** of stealth bombers to 'uncloak' it, will be insta primaries and MIGHT last 2 volleys from a good sized gang. Plus this would mean that Stealth bombers would effectively make gate camping in low sec Easy-mode wtfpwnage. - EFT screen shots are NOT an accurate example of a ship's abilities.
Insur Yamakkei	Posted - 2008.03.03 20:10:00 - [26] Just wondering... does activating a MWD uncloak you or not? I'm guessing it does, but I'm not sure.
Erotic Irony 0bsession	Posted - 2008.03.03 20:13:00 - [27] Originally by: Insur Yamakkei Just wondering... does activating a MWD uncloak you or not? I'm guessing it does, but I'm not sure. The one mine gate cloak may break on module activation but when cloaked nothing will activate until the cloak is offlined. ___ Eve Players are not very smart. Support Killmail Overhaul
MeeKai Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.03.03 20:13:00 - [28] Originally by: Erotic Irony ahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahaha
Hannobaal Gallente Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.03 20:18:00 - [29] Edited by: Hannobaal on 03/03/2008 20:18:13 Originally by: Insur Yamakkei Just wondering... does activating a MWD uncloak you or not? I'm guessing it does, but I'm not sure. You simply can't activate a mwd while cloaked. It won't let you. However, you can turn on your mwd and then cloak, and it will run out that cycle while you're cloaked and then turn off. That's the only possible way of using an mwd while cloaked.
Haradgrim Tyrell Corp INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.03.03 20:19:00 - [30] Teh tech 2 ship "To Nerf or Not to Nerf" Checklist: 1) Does the ship in question perform better than its t1 variation? 2) DPS or utility far above that of its t1 couterpart? 3) Does it have a role in which it is very effective? 4) Is it possible to be effective without expensive rigs/implants? 5) Easier to fit / more slots than t1 version? If your answer to all these questions is "YES" please PUT THE NERF BAT DOWN and step away from the ship. Combine that with the fact that SBs can use bombs (which are useful in the right circumstances, though somewhat overpriced), and its prety hard to argue for a nerf.... Originally by: CCP Oveur ...every forum whine feels like a baby pony is getting killed

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