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Beltblocker	Posted - 2008.03.04 09:40:00 - [1] Ok, contrary to popular belief, Goons sometimes dont need both hands to find their own backsides, so what kind of Hulk setups are people using to survive long enough for Concord to drop their donuts and do their job. Currently I'm using a couple of Invul II's, small shield extender II, and shield recharger II in the mids, and a Damage control II and an adaptive nanoplating II in the lows. Bearing in mind I usually have Concord with me in a belt, to reduce their response time, is the above enough to survive a alpha strike? or has anyone got any other setups that work well.
the thorn Tres Viri	Posted - 2008.03.04 09:52:00 - [2] remove the recharger and get another extender, i think you need a co-proc in low to fit t2 hardeners/invuls
Monologue	Posted - 2008.03.04 12:11:00 - [3] I was told multiply times that having Concord already with you does not reduce their response time.
arbalesttom Caldari Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.04 12:30:00 - [4] Use faction hardeners, a gistii atype small shield booster and a faction/officer recharger in the mids *Sig* Originally by: Cpt Branko That is a JoJo, a forum troll used by Amarr whiners. Originally by: Mitnal Locked, one troll after another. Mitnal, Community Representative
a panda	Posted - 2008.03.04 13:02:00 - [5] Originally by: the thorn remove the recharger and get another extender, i think you need a co-proc in low to fit t2 hardeners/invuls This tbh, with field extender rigs you get 27 thousand effective hitpoints which basically any single battleship cant beat cant get through in time. shouldnt need a co-pro either btw
Beltblocker	Posted - 2008.03.04 13:21:00 - [6] Originally by: arbalesttom Use faction hardeners, a gistii atype small shield booster and a faction/officer recharger in the mids You want X-Large fries with that meal? I want to deter em from suiciding me, not attract half the pirates in eve
Riho Mercenary Forces	Posted - 2008.03.04 13:22:00 - [7] Originally by: Monologue I was told multiply times that having Concord already with you does not reduce their response time. yes.. every attacker gets hes own spawn of concord... so if concord is allready there.. they will not agrees the attacker probably ---------------------------------- This is Me, fighting stupidity one post at a time. PS: There are no computer BUGs, there is stuff called "Random Features"
Beltblocker	Posted - 2008.03.04 14:47:00 - [8] Hmm, I've done a bit of testing, and if I attack an anchored can, I get Concord warp in and bbq me after around 16/17 seconds in a 0.5system, if I then wait for the aggression timer to run down to 0 (on the same character) and warp back to the same belt and poke another can, the response time is down to around 8 seconds with concord in the belt. If I then log in another (completely innocent) character that has no aggression timer and attack a can with concord still in the belt, the response time is almost instantaneous, something seems amiss...
Twin blade Minmatar The Triangle Exa Nation	Posted - 2008.03.04 17:27:00 - [9] There is Nothing you can do but load up with the most HP you can get and try to warp as soon as the first shot if fired but if the Goons do pick you then say bye bye to your Hulk. Death is great rember where all dying to get there.
arbalesttom Caldari Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.04 17:57:00 - [10] Pack a ecm burst and fit for nano, they dont see that coming *Sig* Originally by: Cpt Branko That is a JoJo, a forum troll used by Amarr whiners. Originally by: Mitnal Locked, one troll after another. Mitnal, Community Representative

Liang Nuren The Avalon Foundation	Posted - 2008.03.04 18:02:00 - [11] Originally by: arbalesttom Pack a ecm burst and fit for nano, they dont see that coming Actually, they do. They use a ship scanner. -- My new keyboard is awesome... I can type again (beware Eve-O spreaders of misinformation!)
Danari Amarr Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.04 18:03:00 - [12] <3 goons for making hulk pilots cry If they're responsible for mineral prices -> ship prices spiking, <3 <3 <3 goons.
Beltblocker	Posted - 2008.03.04 18:24:00 - [13] Originally by: Danari <3 goons for making hulk pilots cry If they're responsible for mineral prices -> ship prices spiking, <3 <3 <3 goons. If you honestly think thats the whole picture, ya need to pack in your job flipping burgers and go back to school :P I have no problem whatsoever with what they are doing, hell I spend enough time in their backyards messing with them, why shouldnt they return the favour lol Anyhoo, back on topic, seriously, no one out there has any kinda setups or tactics they want to share? or are most happy to bend over and drop their pants when they come calling at a belt near you, either that or are all the hulk empire miners gonna move to minnie space.......... sheesh
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.03.04 18:30:00 - [14] The only proper tanks against suicide gankers on a Hulk are: * not pushing the undock button * else, being at the keyboard and watching local, setting goons to minus, docking whenever a red enters local Seriously, a damn faction-fited CNR can be suicided. Stop hallucinating you can tank a Hulk to withstand a shicide attempt by anybody who has a ship scanner and knows the first thing about using it. 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
Ulstan	Posted - 2008.03.04 18:34:00 - [15] Quote: Bearing in mind I usually have Concord with me in a belt, to reduce their response time, is the above enough to survive a alpha strike? You're approaching this slightly wrong. Given enough ships, they can always kill you. Adding more and more faction gear is therefore simply counterproductive, as it makes you more attractive to suicide gank. So, fit as cheaply as possible, to make yourself as unattractive to suicide gank as possible. It's also good to extend the time it takes to kill you to act as a further deterrent. Don't bother with rechargers or boosters, you want as much of an HP buffer as you can get. DC's are good.
000Hunter000 Gallente Missiles 'R' Us	Posted - 2008.03.04 18:42:00 - [16] Sadly the only thing there doing is give more people a reason to come whine on the forums for a more secure hi sec. I bet u that if this continues, more people WILL start to whine, and if it lasts long enough, ccp will prolyl start with reducing responsetime on concord even more, is that truely what we want? FULL SEC? I'm not much of a pvp player nor do i go to low/0.0 sec much but i don't want hi sec to turn into happy happy lala land. I hope goons will give up this sillyness before it's too late. _______________________________________________________ CCP, let us pay the online shop with Direct Debit!!!
Beltblocker	Posted - 2008.03.04 19:06:00 - [17] Originally by: 000Hunter000 Sadly the only thing there doing is give more people a reason to come whine on the forums for a more secure hi sec. I bet u that if this continues, more people WILL start to whine, and if it lasts long enough, ccp will prolyl start with reducing responsetime on concord even more, is that truely what we want? FULL SEC? I'm not much of a pvp player nor do i go to low/0.0 sec much but i don't want hi sec to turn into happy happy lala land. I hope goons will give up this sillyness before it's too late. I agree totally with you 000hunter000, and the last thing I and I'm sure, most sane people would ever want is for ANY area in Eve to be 100% safe, apart from being docked as Akita points out :D so therefore we have to work within the confines of the game, hell, if they can use the game mechanics (aka T1 insurance) to their advantage, surely the onus is on us to try and collectively come up with some kind of counter to their tactics/setups/ships, is it not? rather than sit back and let CCP get fed up with the threadnaughts about it, and stick the boot in on what is lets face it, is a contentious but ultmately challenging/fun issue. So, come on guys, lets try and thrash around a few ideas and counters. The glass isnt really half empty :P
Deux Machina	Posted - 2008.03.04 20:10:00 - [18] Originally by: Beltblocker So, come on guys, lets try and thrash around a few ideas and counters. The glass isnt really half empty :P If they want you dead, you will die. They are not doing it for the profit of killing your hulk or your dropped modules. They're doing it to corner the ice and mineral markets. I am looking for a good corp
Poena Loveless MacroIntel United Corporations Against Macros	Posted - 2008.03.04 20:17:00 - [19] Edited by: Poena Loveless on 04/03/2008 20:17:22 Originally by: Monologue I was told multiply times that having Concord already with you does not reduce their response time. lie, its reduced to 50%, per criminal action.
arbalesttom Caldari Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.04 21:18:00 - [20] Edited by: arbalesttom on 04/03/2008 21:20:44 Originally by: Liang Nuren Originally by: arbalesttom Pack a ecm burst and fit for nano, they dont see that coming Actually, they do. They use a ship scanner. Why liang why ps. I watched the jihadswarm vid, and afaik the geddon didnt packed one... but yeah, alts/corpm88's ftl *Sig* Originally by: Cpt Branko That is a JoJo, a forum troll used by Amarr whiners. Originally by: Mitnal Locked, one troll after another. Mitnal, Community Representative

Nick Bison	Posted - 2008.03.04 21:27:00 - [21] OK - here goes. My HiSec Hulk looks like this: Hi: 3 x SM I or II Me: 2 x V-M15 Braced Multispectral Shield matrix 1 x Cap Recharger II 1 x Small Shield Booster II Lo: 1 x MLU II 1 x Cargo Expander II Rigs: 1 x Cap Control Circuit I 1 x Anti-EM Screen reinforcer I Drones: 5 x Hammerhead II NOTE: I use the same set-up in 0.0 Drone Regions to tank signle or double battleship spawns.
Ulstan	Posted - 2008.03.04 21:27:00 - [22] Quote: ps. I watched the jihadswarm vid, and afaik the geddon didnt packed one... Mining ships aren't going anywhere, I would think it would be much easier to send in a frig scout, scan down everyone, pick out likely targets, and then bring in the heavy hitting gank squad.
Last Wolf Templars of Space	Posted - 2008.03.04 21:35:00 - [23] ECM drones AFAIK ship scanner doesn't show what drones you have in your bay. An alt in a cheap cruiser with remote shield reps/drones also. Originally by: Liang Nuren wrong forum isroy i am vjery drunm
arbalesttom Caldari Glauxian Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.04 21:38:00 - [24] Spiderrepping if your mining with some corpmates/alts *Sig* Originally by: Cpt Branko That is a JoJo, a forum troll used by Amarr whiners. Originally by: Mitnal Locked, one troll after another. Mitnal, Community Representative
Beltblocker	Posted - 2008.03.04 21:42:00 - [25] Originally by: Poena Loveless Edited by: Poena Loveless on 04/03/2008 20:17:22 Originally by: Monologue I was told multiply times that having Concord already with you does not reduce their response time. lie, its reduced to 50%, per criminal action. Ok, now I'm pretty much satisfied that MUCAM know a shed load more than most about killing Hulks etc. so, lets assume that concord are johny on the spot and response time is down to pretty much zero, and every ship that lets loose is gonna get toasted instantly, I'm keeping a weather eye on local, every potential suicider is flagged red to me, I'm sitting on 21K ehp if I activate all tanking modules and i'm alligned to warp (16 secs eta) as the bad guys jump in. My question is, looking at the standard gank no tank brutix setup which seems to be pretty popular :P, do I start getting nervous when 1 or 2 or 3 or more appear in local? or can I afford to laugh unless at least 20 drunken brutix pilots warp in next to me, and I have the reflexes of a sloth on prozac?
Deux Machina	Posted - 2008.03.04 21:43:00 - [26] Originally by: arbalesttom Spiderrepping if your mining with some corpmates/alts Totally, get a couple of alts in basilisks to spider rep you guys. Make sure that they rep themselves too, and fit for crazy resists. Make sure to fit an ECCM or two so that they can't jam your basilisk alts and suicide gank you I am looking for a good corp
isAzmodeus The Seven	Posted - 2008.03.04 22:39:00 - [27] Remote reps won't do much at all against a suicide gank squad. They are great for longer engagements, but a suicide gank is over in a matter of seconds. If they see you being remote repped, then they just use 1 more cruiser. --------------------------------- The Seven- Blowing up someone near you.
Deux Machina	Posted - 2008.03.04 22:45:00 - [28] Originally by: isAzmodeus Remote reps won't do much at all against a suicide gank squad. They are great for longer engagements, but a suicide gank is over in a matter of seconds. If they see you being remote repped, then they just use 1 more cruiser. I disagree, the alliance touurnament shows logistics keeping untanked frigates alive under fire from multiple battleships...... I am looking for a good corp
Agil TradeAlt	Posted - 2008.03.04 23:19:00 - [29] Edited by: Agil TradeAlt on 04/03/2008 23:19:20 100% GUARENTEED ANTI SUICIDE TACTIC Get a friendly pilot with a good sec rating to suicide a noobship on you. Then, your friend can go back ratting/mission running as sec rating loss is almost nothing for a single shot CONCORD will spawn and Personally guard your mining op. Originally by: CCP kieron ISK buying is a major contributor to the inflation in EVE's economy.
Royale WiCheese	Posted - 2008.03.04 23:54:00 - [30] Originally by: Deux Machina Originally by: isAzmodeus Remote reps won't do much at all against a suicide gank squad. They are great for longer engagements, but a suicide gank is over in a matter of seconds. If they see you being remote repped, then they just use 1 more cruiser. I disagree, the alliance touurnament shows logistics keeping untanked frigates alive under fire from multiple battleships...... erm, read what he said again matey... suicide ganks will pop you in seconds, not even enough time for your mates to lock you, nevermind repping you.



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