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Gan Howorth
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Posted - 2004.04.09 11:25:00 -
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Well it sucks to end up in a situation that you weren't prepared for but..Fugazii, despite his evident solvent abuse, is well within his right to make this game more interesting. The more i think about it, the more legitimate it seems.
As for this sentence :
"I guess the bottom line is that i don't like PvP that is unfair and I am unwilling to accept it".
It scares me really. 
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Fester Addams
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Posted - 2004.04.09 11:40:00 -
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The reason why this is a possible exploit is that CCP have saved code when they created the mission by having a mission spawn location.
Lets say I get mission A that is to go somwhere and ambush a gathering of NPC pirates, I succede and put the NPC on ice.
Next time the mission comes up the place should in reality have moved as the gathering point is compromized, the NPC should gather at anothe place in space, a randomely generated point.
This is however where CCP decided to save code, they created a number of mission spawn points that remain the same every time the mission comes up. Understandable and not a problem unless it gets abused.
Sadly there are people who abuse all such timesavers given half a chance.
Presonlayy I would prefer that they got permabanned early as they will keep abusing every "feature" they can find and with their actions will get others to do the same and or make good people quit the game.
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Linus Freyr
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Posted - 2004.04.09 11:49:00 -
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Edited by: Linus Freyr on 09/04/2004 11:53:13
Happened to me the other day in a 0.4 system also.
Armi Cool of Ark-Corp tried to ransom my Kestrel for 2 mil.. being a newbie I didnt have it so he blew me up not that I was planning on paying that much for a Kestrel anyways. 
I don't think it's an exploit persay, anymore than gate camping is. It's just ****ty as I was too busy watching the npcs to worry about him till I was locked down.
Still was a learning lessons for me and it won't happen again in a hurry, and all he got from the kill was some launchers and missiles. Me I was fully insured so no great loss.. Life goes on.
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Inconstant Moon
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Posted - 2004.04.09 12:54:00 -
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Gosh, it's very hard to make any sense of Fugazii and Mafish's comments. It is said that being unable to read or write can make one feel excluded from society, and in this case, it appears to be true. |
Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2004.04.09 13:11:00 -
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Seriously. All the rah-rah from the Darwinists is fine and good, but why, when the actual griefers themselves show, are they always incoherent kiddies? 
The folks trying to defend this behaviour in a rational way are not, in fact, doing it themselves, are they? Most of them just seem to have mission to inist that if someone else's good time is ruined by a jerk, it's the fault of the ruinee, never the jerk. Whatever.
You are in a maze of twisty little asteroids, all alike. |
mafish
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Posted - 2004.04.09 14:44:00 -
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Seriously. All the rah-rah from the Darwinists is fine and good, but why, when the actual griefers themselves show, are they always incoherent kiddies?
The folks trying to defend this behaviour in a rational way are not, in fact, doing it themselves, are they? Most of them just seem to have mission to inist that if someone else's good time is ruined by a jerk, it's the fault of the ruinee, never the jerk. Whatever.
tbh its p[eople lik you that make me laugh why should i stop havuing my good time killing people so they can have a good time doing missions at the end of the day one of us has to stop and it aint gonna be me so stfu and die
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Bad Harlequin
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Posted - 2004.04.09 15:10:00 -
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Edited by: Bad Harlequin on 09/04/2004 15:11:58
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Seriously. All the rah-rah from the Darwinists is fine and good, but why, when the actual griefers themselves show, are they always incoherent kiddies?
The folks trying to defend this behaviour in a rational way are not, in fact, doing it themselves, are they? Most of them just seem to have mission to inist that if someone else's good time is ruined by a jerk, it's the fault of the ruinee, never the jerk. Whatever.
tbh its p[eople lik you that make me laugh why should i stop havuing my good time killing people so they can have a good time doing missions at the end of the day one of us has to stop and it aint gonna be me so stfu and die
wow. i so totally take back everything i said. you absolutely proved me wrong. i stand humbled by your eloquent splendor, sir.
maybe you should just, as you say, "stfu" until you learn how to rub two words together 'til they spark into a sentence.... 
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OmegaTron
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Posted - 2004.04.09 15:39:00 -
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I was just killed by a player while at doing a mission at a spawn site from a bookmark. I heard before that this was not allowed. First, is this still the case? Second is there any hope that CCP will rememburse my stuff? I told the guy that what he was doing was bannable before I was killed, he didn't care and just continued. I saved the log of it. The guys name was Fugazil, a member of Care Bear Exterminators corp. His bio looked like the ramblings of 8 year old on to much Ritalin.
If this is legal in the game then I am quitting. I am quite willing to be killed by players when I have a chance of defending myself, but this guy is counting on his victims not being able to or even being ready for a fight. Being killed like that is stupid. If I go into a .4 or lower to mine or pirate hunt in roids, I expect to have to deal with players and I prepare for it. But going to a mission spawn and having someone attack you while you are attacking pirates is a waste of my time and not a game I am willing to play.
I hope CCP reads this and puts a foot down on this BS.
i would just send in a petition and hope for the best. but don't quite the game cause of some pirate using lame tactics just hire someone to do your dirty work if u quite he will win good luck V
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Nafri
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Posted - 2004.04.09 16:41:00 -
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well i cant believe it 
aunenen is 0.4 and one of the most dangerous 0.4 out there, why shouldnt you get killed when you enter it? i remember the days when you get instant podded by entering it 
well, this game is getting strange
Wanna fly with me?
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Joshua Calvert
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Posted - 2004.04.09 16:43:00 -
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Edited by: Bad Harlequin on 08/04/2004 13:53:12
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Does anyone else get the feeling BH now wears his underpants outside his trousers and has a strange habit of changing clothes in BT phone booths?
actually i wear your underpants outside my trousers.
Safe spot!
Awesome comeback
LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! |
mafish
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Posted - 2004.04.09 20:25:00 -
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Edited by: Bad Harlequin on 09/04/2004 15:11:58
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Seriously. All the rah-rah from the Darwinists is fine and good, but why, when the actual griefers themselves show, are they always incoherent kiddies?
The folks trying to defend this behaviour in a rational way are not, in fact, doing it themselves, are they? Most of them just seem to have mission to inist that if someone else's good time is ruined by a jerk, it's the fault of the ruinee, never the jerk. Whatever.
tbh its p[eople lik you that make me laugh why should i stop havuing my good time killing people so they can have a good time doing missions at the end of the day one of us has to stop and it aint gonna be me so stfu and die
wow. i so totally take back everything i said. you absolutely proved me wrong. i stand humbled by your eloquent splendor, sir.
maybe you should just, as you say, "stfu" until you learn how to rub two words together 'til they spark into a sentence....
oh man someone has bad mouthed my english better petision better yet i will quit :P
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Kynoch
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Posted - 2004.04.09 21:32:00 -
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...Sounds to me like this guy doesnt have enough sack to go head to a part of space where he can get challenging PVP. Contrary to what some of the Empire gate gankers think, ambushing a person that is either unable to retaliate or is engaged like this player was, is not PVP....it just lame. Why not go camp a gate in 0.0...A2 is a nice plase for PVP action...oh that would envolve risk and would need skill and capability, obviously in short supply from this person.
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fugazii
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Posted - 2004.04.10 03:58:00 -
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is it really that hard to click ona diff target to fire on them? fighting a couple 4k npc's shouldnt be that intense ofa fight that u cant lock me (if i wasnt locked when i locked u)and click on my lil icon to be able to fire on me, and since these people r doing combat missions they shoudld be set-up for combat especially since its a .4. u get ganked flat out ur fault ur mistake, learn through loss.
and inconstant moon jst cuz im not the best typer not the best speller has absolutely nothin to do w/ne thing easy to talk crap on forums but why never on ur frequent pass throughs in aunenen? but i guess thats how it goes easy to talk big when not directly talked back to
and yes my bio looks like crap ill admit it but most is versus from some of my fav songs so to someone who doesnt know the songs it looks like incoherent ramblings of an escaped mental patient
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Osceola
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Posted - 2004.04.10 09:26:00 -
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Vorax,
Welcome to Eve. Now, Grow some balls, find some friends, protect yourselves and come back in 6 months. Doctor's orders.
Osceola
Evolutionary Thug
Osceola
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Alpha Centauri
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Posted - 2004.04.10 10:52:00 -
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Edited by: Alpha Centauri on 10/04/2004 11:06:14
Edited by: Alpha Centauri on 10/04/2004 11:04:18
I can agree with Vorax here about the difference between PvP style games where you 'earn' your skill by practice, to this game...
where you earn your skill on a time line in the form of skill packs.
Combat in FPS games involves skillful control of either joystick (for jets/choppers in DC, BF1942) or mouse.
In this game all you do is turn on your guns and wait to see who wins, you might decide to turn on and off a few otehr modules, click on a few other targets, but other than that you can get a monkey to play this game, the control mechanism is for morons and idiots alike who are incapable of playing a game that involves real skill.. PLAYER EARNED SKILL THROUGH PRACTICE, such as a game like PvP.
I must say Vorax, you will not find any real skillful players in this game as I say.. the skills are on a time line and you have to buy them.
There is no dodging and ducking, diving from enemy fire, there is no 'fair way' to engage someone in a fight unless they have the same ship/set up as you.
FPS games will always be better than this 3rd person, 'skills on a timer' crap.
If you want some real space combat, I would play elite which even had a rudimentary FPS style simulator control of the ships.
or... wait for http://www.eschaton-online.com which will be much better for FPS people who prefer to use real skill than 'skills on a timer'.
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Atandros
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Posted - 2004.04.10 15:05:00 -
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Edited by: Bad Harlequin on 09/04/2004 15:11:58
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Seriously. All the rah-rah from the Darwinists is fine and good, but why, when the actual griefers themselves show, are they always incoherent kiddies?
The folks trying to defend this behaviour in a rational way are not, in fact, doing it themselves, are they? Most of them just seem to have mission to inist that if someone else's good time is ruined by a jerk, it's the fault of the ruinee, never the jerk. Whatever.
tbh its p[eople lik you that make me laugh why should i stop havuing my good time killing people so they can have a good time doing missions at the end of the day one of us has to stop and it aint gonna be me so stfu and die
wow. i so totally take back everything i said. you absolutely proved me wrong. i stand humbled by your eloquent splendor, sir.
maybe you should just, as you say, "stfu" until you learn how to rub two words together 'til they spark into a sentence....
oh man someone has bad mouthed my english better petision better yet i will quit :P
No, he just delineated your primitivity, idiocy and simplistic view of the world; your linguistic skill as such is irrelevant here. You've perfectly proved his point.
On the note of Darwinism, BH, I largely agree with your observation. But here's my personal viewpoint on this whole potpourri.
I'm a hardcore PVPer, on all levels, not just the blowing ships up one. But I'm not a griefer, ie, I only desire to PVP with fully consenting and informed players; my goal isn't to 0wNz0r someone or anything such, but simply to fight a challenging opponent, which is why I play Eve - no other game allows for PVP on such a scale and on so many levels. However, when PVP becomes griefing, ie when it comes to fighting someone way out of my league, or unwilling, or uninformed, I'm stopping (and reimbursing, if any damage is already done). So, I'm in support of Darwinism, but only if all participants are informed and consenting.
If you're out to cause grief for its own sake, you've got issues really.
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Harry Voyager
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Posted - 2004.04.10 15:08:00 -
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Mission Breifing:
"Quickly, a person of great import has been kidnapped, and their abductors are fleeing from the scene. With great haste you must find them and save the person of great import, before they are processed into biomass or executed in a great grizzly manner! Here is where we think they may be. Hurry, quickly!"
20 jumps and five minutes later...
"I have reached the secret location! Now to... My *** it's full of battleships." *pop*
Just one more reason for me to put mission running on ice. I was getting kind of tired of the "ten jump in ten minute or your picking up bits of bodies" missions already.
Though I will have to bum that mission bookmark off of Vorax once I've gotten myself into a nicely kitted out Battleship. I could use some decent PvP exp, and I figure poping some real rats should do nicely. Even if the Red Dawn doesn't work as well as I'm thinking it could, I doubt a rat will pose to much of a threat.
Harry Voyager
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Vandal
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Posted - 2004.04.10 19:19:00 -
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Heh carebears... This Forum disgusts me. Nice work fug
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Visera
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Posted - 2004.04.10 19:30:00 -
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Hahaha........I could only hope to have a 6 page thread about me....that would be so cool.....even if it is bad which i hope it would be.....i almost envy fug for this.....my day shall come .....and for all of you who agree that it is wrong or unskilled to camp a mission spawn i have one tip.....watch your every move if there is a pirate in the system...and for those of you who are to stupid to click show info, u deserve to get attacked....all i can say is, if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen!
catch ya'll later
Visera
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Kynoch
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Posted - 2004.04.11 03:28:00 -
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Heh carebears... This Forum disgusts me. Nice work fug
Ha ha! Your funny....Retard....Anyway why not come out to Delve and hunt me mr. Carebear Exterminator....Im a carebear, then you can talk ****e all you want.
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Makeh
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Posted - 2004.04.11 04:59:00 -
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I want to know how such a corporation like Carebear Exterminators have been granted membership in C4 alliance?
Its simply were not a nubby.. like u killer clown alt
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Loadmaster > its players like you that makes me want to quit EVE
Masta Killa > I'll insta to agil and get my intie and then come back and pod you |
Vandal
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Posted - 2004.04.11 05:42:00 -
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Seems you have alot of similar posts out there Mr."carebear" Kynoch I found this one aswell
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Im a carebear...come get me....please. I hang out in Delve....Im vulnerable to griefing.
Quit bickering your nonsense.
-Vandal
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Kynoch
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Posted - 2004.04.11 06:21:00 -
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Seems you have alot of similar posts out there Mr."carebear" Kynoch I found this one aswell
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Im a carebear...come get me....please. I hang out in Delve....Im vulnerable to griefing.
Quit bickering your nonsense.
-Vandal
Lol! You see, I cant get anyone to play with me! Lots of bad talk from noob killers. Why not take a chance and hunt more dangerous game.
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Vandal
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Posted - 2004.04.11 06:34:00 -
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Edited by: Vandal on 11/04/2004 06:37:30
... you assume im a noob killer? come to my home... If you make it past the gate into 0.0
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Kynoch
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Posted - 2004.04.11 06:40:00 -
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Where ya live?... I may come visit...sounds nice there. Likewise..come to beautiful Delve region you may not make it past the first 0.0 gate either.
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Vandal
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Posted - 2004.04.11 07:27:00 -
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It doesnt seem your to far from me.. I will come play soon enough my friend. Although we may want to take it out of our regions into nuetral areas.
Till then goodbye
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mafish
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Posted - 2004.04.11 10:23:00 -
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your primitivity, idiocy and simplistic view of the world
my views are only idiotic because they are not you views i could turn around and say the same about most other posts hear because i dont agree with them
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Isiana
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Posted - 2004.04.11 10:39:00 -
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in before lock
Carebear|Me
Alts |
MrMojo
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Posted - 2004.04.11 11:12:00 -
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I can agree with Vorax here about the difference between PvP style games where you 'earn' your skill by practice, to this game...
where you earn your skill on a time line in the form of skill packs.
Combat in FPS games involves skillful control of either joystick (for jets/choppers in DC, BF1942) or mouse.
In this game all you do is turn on your guns and wait to see who wins, you might decide to turn on and off a few otehr modules, click on a few other targets, but other than that you can get a monkey to play this game, the control mechanism is for morons and idiots alike who are incapable of playing a game that involves real skill.. PLAYER EARNED SKILL THROUGH PRACTICE, such as a game like PvP.
I must say Vorax, you will not find any real skillful players in this game as I say.. the skills are on a time line and you have to buy them.
There is no dodging and ducking, diving from enemy fire, there is no 'fair way' to engage someone in a fight unless they have the same ship/set up as you.
FPS games will always be better than this 3rd person, 'skills on a timer' crap.
If you want some real space combat, I would play elite which even had a rudimentary FPS style simulator control of the ships.
or... wait for http://www.eschaton-online.com which will be much better for FPS people who prefer to use real skill than 'skills on a timer'.
you really have no grasp of this game at all do you?
comparing this to FPS is like comparing beer to cheese
this game isnt about Freelancer/Elite style flying simulation - it isnt about reflex and dexterity
why the hell you are even trying to play Eve when u have that mind set is beyond me
go away... warm up your brain cells... actually think before you post... then maybe you can voice an opinion
and btw - this is the 1st mmorpg i have played coming from an "fps" background (quakes 1,2,3, CS, UT etc etc) and i have never once managed to think "oh this isnt like playing Call of Duty or UT2003 or etc etc"
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CodeFreeze
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Posted - 2004.04.11 11:49:00 -
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Edited by: CodeFreeze on 11/04/2004 11:56:18
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Internet arguements are like the Special Olympics... If you win your still a RETARD
You can't even get the grammar right in your sig! Who's the retard eh?
PS it's also deeply offensive to disabled people. Un the boards I hang out in you'd have been banned a long time ago.
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