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Ghreymar LaNayeur
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Posted - 2008.03.05 00:42:00 -
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Eve has become a cruel, and unfair game, and it is only a matter of time before everyone quits playing, and joins a game where the game developers were smart enough to get it right.
As has been recently seen in some of the many threads created in this forum, griefers such as Goonswarm, privateers, muffin factory, the united, and others are ruining the game by seeking their perverse individual enjoyment at the expense of the game experiences of others. Eve is an economic simulation first and foremost, and they should therefore be punished severely to eliminate the adverse affects they and their ilk have on the harmony of the market.
CCP, however, have shown their utter ineptitude in dealing what will certainly be the death of their product. Recent patches have introduced MORE, not less, reason for these evil creatures to continue their activities, and have added no such features for the bulk of their player base, which the previous economic dev blog showed WAS in fact, empire miners, traders, and industrialists. The last patch saw the addition of the heavy interdictor cruiser, which eliminated the effectiveness of warp core stabilizers as a viable defense against griefer gatecamps. they also introduced MORE unnecessary PVP ships without adding ANY new tools for any of eve's TRUE professions.
Not only that, they have continued to ignore the problem of high-sec ganking. High sec is supposed to be the haven of economic activity in eve, with concord protecting all those who choose to bypass the silly and unprofitable passtime of firing at each other and losing ships in 0.0 and lowsec. By allowing such an activity to go on, they are undermining their core followers, who can do nothing to stop these griefers from interfering with our activities. Should i choose to not participate in combat-related activities, that should be my choice. These griefers should not be allowed to continue to attack me and my fellow players in the safe haven and get away with it. CCP is clearly unaware of this problem, despite the many forum threads pertaining to it, as well as the many petitions I and my corp mates have sent. All these complaints have fallen upon deaf (and soon to be unemployed!) ears.
This has finally been brought to a head by the recent "jihad" of goonswarm against other fellow law-abiding citizens of empire space. Not only is this war a direct insult to all those who lost their lives on September 11, 2001, as well as all those brave soldiers fighting and dying against the terrorists in Iraq and Iran, but they are also FURTHER undermining the efforts of law abiding empire residents in their pursuit of peace and economic gain.
I therefore submit this open letter to CCP, and declare that i, and my fellow corpmates, will leave this game, and take the thousands of dollars a year that we contribute to your now very sadly misguided enterprise, should our grievances not be met.
our demands are: -eliminate heavy interdictors! they are a dirge on those of us who choose to travel through lowsec shortcuts and signal that we do not wish to engage in pvp by outfitting warpcore stabilizers
-stop empire ganking! it is harmful to economic development, and is quite frankly very wrong and unjust
-stop threatening to move missions to lowsec! it is already hard enough for us to run lvl 4s (which have been overdue to become more profitable in quite some time!) and any more difficulty will result in masses of empire missioners leaving the game alltogether
-give us more toys to play with! we consist of the majority of eve players, yet all new content is geared towards the small minority who choose to follow the narrow profession of combat pilots
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Ghreymar LaNayeur
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Posted - 2008.03.05 00:44:00 -
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Edited by: Ghreymar LaNayeur on 05/03/2008 00:47:45 -also, punish scammers. each account of a poor player like small chimp being scammed is yet one more player who will leave the game and never come back
all other complaints added by others will be added to this post.
also fix the damned forums, i'm sick of having to log in four times to post a thread
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Larg Kellein
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.03.05 00:49:00 -
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Obvious troll is obvious.
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The Herrick
Gallente SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.03.05 00:51:00 -
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Tarminic...is that you?
Originally by: Tania Russ
Those of us who actually build stuff and accomplish something worthwhile in Eve, as opposed to pirates, who basically don't accomplish anything but stealing other people's stuff. |
DigitalCommunist
Obsidian Core
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Posted - 2008.03.05 00:51:00 -
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Unfunny as hell. _______________________________ http://epicwords.net/ |
Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari Worms Corp
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Posted - 2008.03.05 00:54:00 -
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EVE high sec is like Philadelphia, it has law and order but you can be killed at anytime anywhere on anyday. and that is just a fact of life. course you could always move to Delaware(fantasy MMOs).
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Cailais
Amarr VITOC Hedonistic Imperative
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Posted - 2008.03.05 00:54:00 -
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Is it CCPs ineptitude? Or is it in fact that given a sandbox within which to mold a society that very society turns against itself?
Perhaps EVE reflects the darker nature of the human psyche than many would care to admit? Instead they turn to CCP to apply blame.
Its a cruel universe, and disturbingly attractive for that very reason.
C.
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Ghengis Gone
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Posted - 2008.03.05 01:03:00 -
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Yeah, it's an obvious troll and not a very good one because no one is biting, but he should get a decent amount of points for using links properly and a good writing style. 6/10
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Lirt
Ceratias Holboelli
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Posted - 2008.03.05 01:05:00 -
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Quote: Obvious troll is obvious.
Are you looking to the mirror? And also have you ever faced a REAL troll? I think not. So crawl back.
-------------------------------------------------- "Assumption is the Mother of Screw-Up"
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The Herrick
Gallente SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.03.05 01:11:00 -
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Originally by: Lirt
Quote: Obvious troll is obvious.
Are you looking to the mirror? And also have you ever faced a REAL troll? I think not. So crawl back.
...wait does that mean you agree with the OP? I'd keep that fact to yourself if I were you.
Originally by: Tania Russ
Those of us who actually build stuff and accomplish something worthwhile in Eve, as opposed to pirates, who basically don't accomplish anything but stealing other people's stuff. |
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Chirruper
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Posted - 2008.03.05 01:17:00 -
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Well he's either trolling or needs a savage beating with the Baseball Bat of Reason.
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Havok Dryke
Golden Gavel Enterprises The Cooperative
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Posted - 2008.03.05 01:18:00 -
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I don't see it yet, so I'm just putting this out there...
Can I have your stuff? You don't seem to want it. --------------------------------------
EVE is a cold, harsh world, filled with people that would kill you without a second thought. The forums are even worse. |
Noden Vorpalstar
Gallente The Knights Of Polaris
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Posted - 2008.03.05 01:21:00 -
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Umm... Is he serious?
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Lirt
Ceratias Holboelli
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Posted - 2008.03.05 01:22:00 -
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Edited by: Lirt on 05/03/2008 01:22:09
Quote: ...wait does that mean you agree with the OP? I'd keep that fact to yourself if I were you
Im not saying i agree with op, im saying that this guy tries to say something that bothers him, he writes down a whole text and some people answer to him "you are troll stfu". So who is the troll again?
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Ringo Jeicha
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Posted - 2008.03.05 01:22:00 -
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Since when is Jihad a banned word?
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Lirt
Ceratias Holboelli
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Posted - 2008.03.05 01:24:00 -
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Quote: Can I have your stuff? You don't seem to want it.
If he didnt want his stuff he wouldn't have posted all this. Thinking before trolling is always good.
-------------------------------------------------- "Assumption is the Mother of Screw-Up"
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Shogun Archer
Gallente Eradico Omnis
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Posted - 2008.03.05 01:28:00 -
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Edited by: Shogun Archer on 05/03/2008 01:28:02 Eve is cruel and unfair. Just like life is cruel and unfair.
Jihad actually means "inner struggle". It's not a bad word. OP, you almost remind me of a liberal facist. You want to live in your cute little "have a nice day" world, and you want the "Government" (CCP) to regulate anything and everything to make sure your little "have a nice day" liberally facist world stays just how you want it.
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Mara Noan
Illuminati Inc. Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.05 01:28:00 -
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Originally by: Havok Dryke I don't see it yet, so I'm just putting this out there...
Can I have your stuff? You don't seem to want it.
This I was expecting a lot sooner than it came up. "Common sense, it's not that common."
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Larg Kellein
Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2008.03.05 01:37:00 -
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Edited by: Larg Kellein on 05/03/2008 01:37:19
Originally by: Lirt Edited by: Lirt on 05/03/2008 01:22:09
Quote: ...wait does that mean you agree with the OP? I'd keep that fact to yourself if I were you
Im not saying i agree with op, im saying that this guy tries to say something that bothers him, he writes down a whole text and some people answer to him "you are troll stfu". So who is the troll again?
You did spot the linking to Hello Kitty Online, right? It couldn't be more obvious trolling if he wore a giant, purple sign saying "here be trolls, repent now" while singing a song about happy little trolls and their friends defending their swamp against an evil prince.
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Havohej
The Defias Brotherhood ANTHRAX DEATH
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Posted - 2008.03.05 01:39:00 -
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Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker EVE high sec is like Philadelphia, it has law and order but you can be killed at anytime anywhere on anyday. and that is just a fact of life. course you could always move to Delaware(fantasy MMOs).
ROFL I'm FROM Philadelphia So true, never thought of it like that before!
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Max Nero
Xeno Tech Corp United Corporations Against Macros
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Posted - 2008.03.05 01:42:00 -
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Originally by: Ringo Jeicha Since when is Jihad a banned word?
I don't think I got the memo either... Anyone got a copy?
Originally by: Niklo Game to become is more and more similar to prison for not aggressive people.
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari Worms Corp
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Posted - 2008.03.05 01:44:00 -
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Originally by: Havohej
Originally by: Viktor Fyretracker EVE high sec is like Philadelphia, it has law and order but you can be killed at anytime anywhere on anyday. and that is just a fact of life. course you could always move to Delaware(fantasy MMOs).
ROFL I'm FROM Philadelphia So true, never thought of it like that before!
im from south jersey, when i watch 6abc some nights its like reading the combat logs from EC-P8R.....
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Lewis Atreides
Caldari House Atreides trade
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Posted - 2008.03.05 01:47:00 -
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Edited by: Lewis Atreides on 05/03/2008 01:53:11
Originally by: Cailais Is it CCPs ineptitude? Or is it in fact that given a sandbox within which to mold a society that very society turns against itself?
Perhaps EVE reflects the darker nature of the human psyche than many would care to admit? Instead they turn to CCP to apply blame.
Its a cruel universe, and disturbingly attractive for that very reason.
C.
Dude that is deep, and I completely agree, CCP just gave us a area to play in everything else is on us.
I have told people who have questioned me about EVE that it can be best discribed as anarchy and capitolism in it's purest form. EVE IS a cold dark place were if you mess up it will chew you up and spit your broken, weeping body into a dark and forgotten corner of space.
**--------**--------------** While blood, carnage, and distruction may be my "happy place" that is nothing like the feeling I get while hauling 2 mill isk in goods thru low sec. |
Arvald
Caldari House of Tempers
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Posted - 2008.03.05 01:51:00 -
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Originally by: Chirruper Well he's either trolling or needs a savage beating with the Baseball Bat of Reason.
just say the word ---------------------------------------------
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Chimay
Caldari Induseng Enterprises R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2008.03.05 01:53:00 -
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I'll give this a rating of 2.
Decent troll attempt but the cards were spread to thin to make a point. Short version could be stop after the link. Anything after that was more or less to much effort.
_________________ My PvP videos http://www.bradster.net
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Jinx Barker
GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2008.03.05 02:04:00 -
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Originally by: Ghreymar LaNayeur
This has finally been brought to a head by the recent "jihad" of goonswarm against other fellow law-abiding citizens of empire space.
So, Goons and people they are attacking are fellow -law-abiding citizens then? No problems here then. Moving on....
Originally by: Ghreymar LaNayeur
Not only is this war a direct insult to all those who lost their lives on September 11, 2001, as well as all those brave soldiers fighting and dying against the terrorists in Iraq and Iran, but they are also FURTHER undermining the efforts of law abiding empire residents in their pursuit of peace and economic gain.
We have invaded Iran? When? No one told me about that.. damn our boys move fast.
Cut the sanctimonious bull-crap and realize that only war in EVE is what drives the economy, that's it, war and profits of war. Well equipped T2 Ships do not die in missions, at least not while in the hands of experienced pilots, and belt rats are no match for Hulks.. so get off your high horse and learn something about EVE - it is bloody, it is cruel, and it is unfair, and that what makes it so much fun.
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Johsua Yoltar
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2008.03.05 02:12:00 -
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Edited by: Johsua Yoltar on 05/03/2008 02:13:47 Ghreymar
Quote: Eve has become a cruel, and unfair game, and it is only a matter of time before everyone quits playing, and joins a game where the game developers were smart enough to get it right.
Eve has always been and always will be a cruel game, MANY people have quit playing because of this, but many stay to play this game just because of this factor, because it is cruel and unfair. Whats good a game if its easy, you will quit eventually because it will get boring.
Quote: As has been recently seen in some of the many threads created in this forum, griefers such as Goonswarm, privateers, muffin factory, the united, and others are ruining the game by seeking their perverse individual enjoyment at the expense of the game experiences of others.
To be honest with you buddy, this is part of the game, and again, it always has been. The swarm, the factory, united, all these guys, this is what we do, this is how we play the game. Do note buddy, that this is A GAME, its not like these individuals are going around killing people in rl. As a matter of fact, if you have such a problem with it, i guess its better of for you just to leave.
Quote: Not only that, they have continued to ignore the problem of high-sec ganking.
Well, perhaps CCP hasnt ignored the problem of high sec ganking, perhaps they dont see it as a problem at all, it makes this game what it is in many ways, makes the game very realistic, keeps you on your toes.
Quote: By allowing such an activity to go on, they are undermining their core followers, who can do nothing to stop these griefers from interfering with our activities.
If you call yourselves "core followers", you're all wrong. If you were, you wouldnt take this temporary swarm invasion of high sec so seriously, and "threaten" if you want to call it that, to deactivate your account.
Quote: High sec is supposed to be the haven of economic activity in eve, with concord protecting all those who choose to bypass the silly and unprofitable passtime of firing at each other and losing ships in 0.0 and lowsec.
High sec is suppose to be relatively safe, yes, but not totally safe, Plus Concord does protect many if not all that want to bypass pvp, within reason. FYI to you Ghreymar, pvp is fun, and it can be VERY profitable
Quote: Should i choose to not participate in combat-related activities, that should be my choice.
Indeed it is your choice not to fire back, but like i wrote earlier in my post, high sec is safe but not totally safe.
Quote: This has finally been brought to a head by the recent "jihad" of goonswarm against other fellow law-abiding citizens of empire space. Not only is this war a direct insult to all those who lost their lives on September 11, 2001, as well as all those brave soldiers fighting and dying against the terrorists in Iraq and when did we ever invade Iran?
With this Ghreymar you have gone too far and you should feel ashamed for yourself, the swarm has not in any way insulted the people that died in sept 11 or in Iraq and Iran. The simple definition of Jihad is a holy war against unbelievers, does that say ANYTHING about september 11 or the war?
Quote: I therefore submit this open letter to CCP, and declare that i, and my fellow corpmates, will leave this game, and take the thousands of dollars a year that we contribute to your now very sadly misguided enterprise, should our grievances not be met.
Honestly and truly Ghreymar, you leaving is but a small wound to CCP, which in return perhaps twice as many will subscribe to EVE after the first week of you and your corp mates deactivating.
Quote: our demands are:
all that comes after this is epic fail, really all that you wrote was failure, but this fails the most heh..
Now to sum up my post, the swarm, privateers, the factory, united and all you ladies keep up the yarring. and i'll do the same.
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Karyuudo Tydraad
Caldari Whiskey Pete's Drycleaning Services
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Posted - 2008.03.05 02:15:00 -
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You made it too obvious, not enough people are biting. :(
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Hippy Dave
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Posted - 2008.03.05 02:23:00 -
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Can't believe some people didnt spot the troll....
I mean cmon apart from anything else he even linked this to another troll post.
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John Roberts
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.03.05 02:25:00 -
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It was only a matter of time before someone's whine involved 9/11 and such 9/11 is ******* over. leave it be...jeebus. If you don't like how the game is, leave. Only your corpmates will really miss you unless you have another mmo you play together. And no, I'm not a member of goonswarm, or the other pvpers that are out there. I'm just a guy taking the trial time to train his acct, so I don't really give a rats ass.
Got Cheese To Go With That Whine?
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