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Thorek Ironbrow Ironbrow Industries Co. Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss	Posted - 2008.03.07 17:40:00 - [1] The Jihad swarm gave me inspiration. What'd happen, if all the pirates moved into high security, and just really ****** about with miners and industrialists. Would the carebears realise that they could die less if they went into low security where it's virtually empty because all the pirates are in high security stealing your basez0rs. _____________________________ "So what do you need, besides a miracle?" "Guns... Lots of guns"
Wet Ferret	Posted - 2008.03.07 17:43:00 - [2] Nobody pushes me in to low sex.
Anaalys Fluuterby Caldari	Posted - 2008.03.07 17:44:00 - [3] Yet another person that doesn't understand the Carebear mentality. Make things too hot in High Sec and they will just quit playing. Just like in real life if there is rioting in the streets the cashiers for hte grocery store don't go to work. Difference is in real life they HAVE to live, in a game they can just leave and go to the next one. Stop trying to worry about what other people are/aren't doing and play the stupid game. Originally by: Audri Fisher On the other, the emo tears being cryed in this thread tell me that just because you shoot somebody for a living, does not mean you aren't a carebear
Thorek Ironbrow Ironbrow Industries Co. Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss	Posted - 2008.03.07 17:45:00 - [4] Damn that was a terrible typo. Still though, if you got killed a lot in high sec, would you think about moving to low sec, or would you just quit the game. OR would you persist, be killed quite a lot, and maybe get some revenge? _____________________________ "So what do you need, besides a miracle?" "Guns... Lots of guns"
hinch Gallente Furious Angels Research and Development	Posted - 2008.03.07 17:48:00 - [5] avoiding getting killed in high sec is so easy its not funny and even if you did get swarmed and suicide ganked in your hulk its not like the cost to fully fit and replace a hulk is much what 200mill tops ? if your a hardcore miner you can make that in less than an hour anyway. at the end of the day the current jihad serves no purpose besides putting more money in the hulk producers pockets so anyone owning a hulk bpo or anyone invention hulk bpc's are the ones profiting. Furious Angels Research and Development. Fully researched BPO's, BPC's and T2 invented BPC's to order. FA BPO and BPC Shop
Wet Ferret	Posted - 2008.03.07 17:48:00 - [6] Originally by: Thorek Ironbrow Damn that was a terrible typo. Still though, if you got killed a lot in high sec, would you think about moving to low sec, or would you just quit the game. OR would you persist, be killed quite a lot, and maybe get some revenge? I would just do my carebear thing in cheap ships that I don't care about losing. And be glad that I'm not a miner, of course
AndrewRyan	Posted - 2008.03.07 17:51:00 - [7] Originally by: hinch the cost to fully fit and replace a hulk is much what 200mill tops ? if your a hardcore miner you can make that in less than an hour anyway. Are you playing the same game as everyone else? or are you just generally misinformed and post rubbish just for the sake of it? ========================================= A Man chooses, a slave obeys.
Morrow Disca Macrocosm Advanced Industries	Posted - 2008.03.07 17:55:00 - [8] Your drop in sec status will hurt you alot more that losing a few haulers will hurt a carebear. Most Carebears will simply adapt to the attacks in the same way as they would if their corp was war dec'd. Stabbing haulers, not going afk, staying aligned in missions incase someone warps in, etc. There are no carebears in low sec because there is no way to be safe while you operate there. The difference between 0.5 and 0.4 is stark in terms of security but negligible in terms of ISK to be earned. The solution lies not in making empire less safe, but in making low sec more secure. Making all missions in low sec require a gate key (given to you by the agent) would be one start. You'd not be able to attack them in missions but it would still increase the amount of shipping in low sec and thus increase your chance of getting kills. Plus the more people run missions in low sec the more people will need supplies, more haulers moving stuff in, etc, etc. You can't be greedy and demand the right to kill anything anywhere, if you do you'll just end up with all of eve becoming like low sec. Then where will we be? Accepting a 'safe' aspect to low sec will ultimately work in the favour of pirates.
Pax Ratlin Gallente Valley Forge	Posted - 2008.03.07 18:02:00 - [9] Bleet bleet bleet no one in low sec bleet bleet bleet my life in eve is terrible bleet bleet bleet game is broken bleet bleet bleet. And yet i bet your the same person who when there's a thread complaining about being ganked at a gate into low sec you laugh like a drain and says it's their own fault for being there. Again another one who wants everything and more.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.03.07 18:03:00 - [10] Originally by: Thorek Ironbrow The Jihad swarm gave me inspiration. What'd happen, if all the pirates moved into high security, and just really ****** about with miners and industrialists. Would the carebears realise that they could die less if they went into low security where it's virtually empty because all the pirates are in high security stealing your basez0rs. No, they'd probably just quit. ---------------- Tarminic - 33 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.79

isAzmodeus The Seven	Posted - 2008.03.07 18:09:00 - [11] There is no point in trying to "force" anyone to change how they play any game. They will simply switch to another game that caters to what they want/need out of a game experience. If you want them to switch, you need to examine your reasons. If someone else playing the same game as you in a different manner upsets and irratates you that much, you shouldn't be playing sandbox type games. Who do these people impact your life at all? If someone plays an hour a day running a mission or mining in high-sec, what impact does that have on you? Making someone move to a lower security system won't make them into PVPers, just targets.There is no reason for you to want them in low-sec except as easy targets. They have valid reasons for the way they play the game. Let them enjoy their style of play, and you enjoy yours. --------------------------------- The Seven- Blowing up someone near you.
Pax Ratlin Gallente Valley Forge	Posted - 2008.03.07 18:17:00 - [12] Originally by: isAzmodeus There is no point in trying to "force" anyone to change how they play any game. No point trying to explain this to them, they don't care, no that's wrong they do care that's why there doing this .... this being making a concerted effort to run 60% of the player base out of the game so when they go suicide ganking in jita they don't suffer from lag
Lorna Loot Caldari Nox Eternus	Posted - 2008.03.07 18:20:00 - [13] Originally by: Wet Ferret Nobody pushes me in to low sex. You sure? I hear its good for the back --------------------- Nox Eternus is Recruiting, contact me or Sgt Shazz ingame for info.
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2008.03.07 18:21:00 - [14] Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Thorek Ironbrow The Jihad swarm gave me inspiration. What'd happen, if all the pirates moved into high security, and just really **** about with miners and industrialists. Would the carebears realise that they could die less if they went into low security where it's virtually empty because all the pirates are in high security stealing your basez0rs. No, they'd probably just quit. Not only would they quit, they would not be able making the ships you fly anymore either.. Originally by:** CCP Whisper I got your ambulation right here... <walks off to get more wine>
Wild Rho Amarr GoonFleet	Posted - 2008.03.07 18:21:00 - [15] Originally by: Wet Ferret Nobody pushes me in to low sex. That's because they never have to.
Thorek Ironbrow Ironbrow Industries Co. Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss	Posted - 2008.03.07 18:25:00 - [16] Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Thorek Ironbrow The Jihad swarm gave me inspiration. What'd happen, if all the pirates moved into high security, and just really ****** about with miners and industrialists. Would the carebears realise that they could die less if they went into low security where it's virtually empty because all the pirates are in high security stealing your basez0rs. No, they'd probably just quit. Not only would they quit, they would not be able making the ships you fly anymore either.. So if this did happen (which I'm pretty sure it won't) it could potentially put EVE back into the stone age? _____________________________ "So what do you need, besides a miracle?" "Guns... Lots of guns"
Ragnar Darkstar	Posted - 2008.03.07 18:27:00 - [17] How about we not push anyone anywhere?
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2008.03.07 18:31:00 - [18] Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 07/03/2008 18:31:58 Originally by: Thorek Ironbrow So if this did happen (which I'm pretty sure it won't) it could potentially put EVE back into the stone age? Not if just you did it, or your corp did it. But if everyone and their mother in deep space and low sec did it.. Well.. I think we would have a problem. We do know theres quite a few who buys their ships in empire and brings it down to deep space and their home there. We also know that some alliances produces their own ships in empire, leaving only capital production in deep space. I think its called a symbiosis. We are all in one way or other dependent on each other . whether we like it or not Originally by: CCP Whisper I got your ambulation right here... <walks off to get more wine>
Traka Vinderta	Posted - 2008.03.07 18:34:00 - [19] To the OP , here is the crunch EvE is a pay to play now the carebares pay their subs the same as you do so they play as they want you pay your subs so you play as you want. You PAY MY SUBS and I will go where you tell me. Seeing as I pay using real cash not GTS baught with isk that is how you pay my subs so I do as you want sounds plenty good to me, But if you are not going to pay my subs stop trying to push me around and leave me to play this game as I want. Oh before you ask no you can not have my stuff im not planning on leaving.
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.03.07 18:34:00 - [20] Originally by: Thorek Ironbrow So if this did happen (which I'm pretty sure it won't) it could potentially put EVE back into the stone age? Not likely, but the cost of ships will increase significantly, meaning more mission running/0.0 mining/ratting for the PvPers left. Ironic, eh? ---------------- Tarminic - 33 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.79

Thorek Ironbrow Ironbrow Industries Co. Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss	Posted - 2008.03.07 18:38:00 - [21] Yeh lol _____________________________ "So what do you need, besides a miracle?" "Guns... Lots of guns"
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2008.03.07 18:39:00 - [22] Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Thorek Ironbrow So if this did happen (which I'm pretty sure it won't) it could potentially put EVE back into the stone age? Not likely, but the cost of ships will increase significantly, meaning more mission running/0.0 mining/ratting for the PvPers left. Ironic, eh? Well, to be honest, the human race have always been selfdestructive by nature. I guess thats why we all love this game very much. Originally by: CCP Whisper I got your ambulation right here... <walks off to get more wine>
Stern Maxwell Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.07 18:45:00 - [23] Originally by: Ragnar Darkstar How about we not push anyone anywhere? QFE ___________________________________________
Cygnus Scott Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.07 18:48:00 - [24] Originally by: Morrow Disca Your drop in sec status will hurt you alot more that losing a few haulers will hurt a carebear. Most Carebears will simply adapt to the attacks in the same way as they would if their corp was war dec'd. Stabbing haulers, not going afk, staying aligned in missions incase someone warps in, etc. There are no carebears in low sec because there is no way to be safe while you operate there. The difference between 0.5 and 0.4 is stark in terms of security but negligible in terms of ISK to be earned. The solution lies not in making empire less safe, but in making low sec more secure. Making all missions in low sec require a gate key (given to you by the agent) would be one start. You'd not be able to attack them in missions but it would still increase the amount of shipping in low sec and thus increase your chance of getting kills. Plus the more people run missions in low sec the more people will need supplies, more haulers moving stuff in, etc, etc. You can't be greedy and demand the right to kill anything anywhere, if you do you'll just end up with all of eve becoming like low sec. Then where will we be? Accepting a 'safe' aspect to low sec will ultimately work in the favour of pirates. Not a bad idea. The biggest problem with low sec is the fact that its just not profitable, the risk vs. reward is grossly out of balance. That is something the pirates neglect to see. In fact I'd go so far as to call them the "carebears" since there is little actual risk to piracy. PVE fit ships pose little real threat to a PVP fit pirate gang, not to mention that you can fly a cheap ship and just let the NPCs do most of your work for you. Sentry Guns? Its already been shown you can mitigate the consequence/risk of sentry guns if you aren't a idiot from low sec gate camps. You can almost always choose your fight so that the odds are heavily in your favor. Calling for easy low to no-risk targets is what you are doing, isn't this what you're accusing the carebears of having in high sec? Easy money with no risk...hypocrites. Find a way to even out the risk vs. reward in low sec and you'll see more mission runners in low sec. Miners you won't see because of the mechanics of mining, you have to remain in one spot too long to make ISK doing it. That and hiring guards or the loss of a ship cuts the profits of the better ores to be pretty much the same as what you can make in high sec with a hauler partner/alt. That is why High Sec or Alliance patrolled 0.0 is best for mining and low sec sucks for it.
Alora Venoda Caldari GalTech Giant Space Amoeba	Posted - 2008.03.07 18:52:00 - [25] Originally by: hinch the cost to fully fit and replace a hulk is much what 200mill tops ? if your a hardcore miner you can make that in less than an hour anyway. ROFL ... i would love to make 200mill in less than an hour! what kind of ore would i need to mine? ~~~~ ~~~~ ~~~~ Take away the risk and it would make flying around in space utterly pointless. Take away the flying around part and you make EVE into a space themed spreadsheet application.
Madelchai Gallente Stimulus The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.03.07 18:58:00 - [26] Low sex? Is that what that shameful time in every man's life where he takes a trek up Heavy Hill is called? ------ Revolution. The only solution.
Orgos Khenn Minmatar	Posted - 2008.03.07 19:00:00 - [27] I know. What'd happen if all of the people the pirates prey on stop making themselves targets for pirates? Would the pirates then get over themselves and realise it's just a game, and that people play it however they want to? Or would they continue to be yarrtards? ---- One day...one day General will be worth reading.
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2008.03.07 19:02:00 - [28] Originally by: hinch its not like the cost to fully fit and replace a hulk is much what 200mill tops ? if your a hardcore miner you can make that in less than an hour anyway. You must mine in really wonderful locations.
Cygnus Scott Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.07 19:08:00 - [29] Originally by: hinch ...its not like the cost to fully fit and replace a hulk is much what 200mill tops ? if your a hardcore miner you can make that in less than an hour anyway. Its been a long week and the weekend is finally here, can I have some of what you're smoking?
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.03.07 19:40:00 - [30] Originally by: Billy Sastard Topic of post: Quote: ...push carebears into sex... Isn't this considered rape?! Hey, if the carebears don't actually su no, it isn't. And how can you say no if you're not conscious? ---------------- Tarminic - 33 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.79



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