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Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Reavers.	Posted - 2008.03.11 11:14:00 - [1] Edited by: Kuolematon on 11/03/2008 11:16:30 I thank thee for great Amarr oomph what we are about to reveice from your sacred and infinite wisdom. I thank for the armor resist oomph and laser damage oomph we are receiving. You are our beacon of light in this dark times! It does not matter that now people is going to fit MORE EM resists than they had previously or that other races receives MORE benefits from armor resist oomph your about to give us. We don't mind. We are here to look up to you and receive every little oomph your blessed to give us. Once again, Thank you Zulupark for this wonderful oomph Hugs and kisses, XXX, People who are born as Amarr or are one thru intensive training (Recons lvl5, cough cough) Ps. EM resists on armors were just fine. Laser damage was just fine .. you just caved in for vocal whiners. We understand you. "The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of gold"
Cpt Branko Surge. Night's Dawn	Posted - 2008.03.11 11:18:00 - [2] You sound almost like you don't believe that making 2-3xEANM tanks much superior to 3-hardened tanks is Amarr oomph. Blasphemer. Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Rexthor Hammerfists Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.03.11 11:18:00 - [3] you could give some ppl free beers and theyd complain that its not cold enough -
kublai Art of War	Posted - 2008.03.11 11:20:00 - [4] Laser damage in general was fine. The zealot buff was a needed, nice touch. But why the hell didn't you tweak recon's over nerfing my godamn armor, stop nerfing me when you buff me >< EM was already my worst resist on t1 ships fs. ------ [Quha]El-Diablito - Quality newbie bashing anno 1998 - Be afraid, for I have no real life what so ever
Laechyd Eldgorn Caldari Karjala Inc. Atrum Tempestas Foedus	Posted - 2008.03.11 11:23:00 - [5] Caldari shield tank was so overpowered it definetly needed nerf. We all have seen it's impossible to break tank on ratting raven! Wait...
Ephemeron Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.11 11:28:00 - [6] If it wasn't for the armor and shield resist nerf, this patch would have been great. I just can't forgive CCP for letting them do such major game design change on impulse. And the community let them get away. It's not just a nerf to resistence, it's a nerf to the idea that shields and armor have opposite strengths and weaknesses, it's a nerf to variety in game. We could have achieved balance without making that sacrifice.
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2008.03.11 11:31:00 - [7] If they choose to fit more EM resist than the standard omni-tank they'll do less damage - bonus! Only other race to benefit from EM change is Caldari with their missiles, the other damage types are still superior do I doubt it will have much impact. The slaves EMP ammo requires them to get into web range and very few of their tanks can survive in snuggling range against Amarr. Getting +25% damage on gank HAC is good. Getting our previously near-useless third BS out of the museum is good. I for one am happy with this first step, still lacking the capacitor uber-ness, but getting there.
jita pc232323	Posted - 2008.03.11 11:34:00 - [8] Originally by: Hirana Yoshida If they choose to fit more EM resist than the standard omni-tank they'll do less damage - bonus! And any Amarr ship attacking it will do less damage - nerf!
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.03.11 11:37:00 - [9] Edited by: Malcanis on 11/03/2008 11:37:38 Originally by: Kuolematon Edited by: Kuolematon on 11/03/2008 11:16:30 I thank thee for great Amarr oomph what we are about to reveice from your sacred and infinite wisdom. I thank for the armor resist oomph and laser damage oomph we are receiving. You are our beacon of light in this dark times! It does not matter that now people is going to fit MORE EM resists than they had previously or that other races receives MORE benefits from armor resist oomph your about to give us. We don't mind. We are here to look up to you and receive every little oomph your blessed to give us. Once again, Thank you Zulupark for this wonderful oomph Hugs and kisses, XXX, People who are born as Amarr or are one thru intensive training (Recons lvl5, cough cough) Ps. EM resists on armors were just fine. Laser damage was just fine .. you just caved in for vocal whiners. We understand you. Yeah you're right. Giving everyone an extra low slot that can only be used for EM hardeners really didn't do Amarr any favours. Oh...wait. No extra slot and EM is still the highest base armour resist, you say? Wow, I guess people probably won't change their fits all that much then. So OP is a useless failwhine. Load up with some Explosive/Kinetic drones if you want to vary your damage types FFS. Jesus christ, you just got a ~20% EHP damage increase and you're complaining it's a nerf? Damb, I'd love a nerf like that. Hey, zulupark, please nerf Caldari by giving all missiles a 25% increase in explosion velocity, thus forcing everyone to make their ships go 25% faster, thus nerfing missiles, thus killing EvE for ever. Or something. The Internet Fairness Act of 2007 obliges me to disclose that when Torpedo DPS was increased by 33%, lots of Caldari pilots whined as well. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.03.11 11:40:00 - [10] Originally by: Ephemeron If it wasn't for the armor and shield resist nerf, this patch would have been great. I just can't forgive CCP for letting them do such major game design change on impulse. And the community let them get away. It's not just a nerf to resistence, it's a nerf to the idea that shields and armor have opposite strengths and weaknesses, it's a nerf to variety in game. We could have achieved balance without making that sacrifice. Yeah, true. The fact is takes TWICE as much EM damage to reduce armour as it does shields means that armour = shields now. Simple logic. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.

Lo3d3R MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.03.11 11:45:00 - [11] Edited by: Lo3d3R on 11/03/2008 11:46:03 Good work Zulupark, ignore the whines and bad attempts at funny sarcasm/irony . EM-resist on armor were through the roof and I think this was the best measure, job well done. ___________________ Sexy Time:
Ephemeron Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.11 11:55:00 - [12] Originally by: Lo3d3R EM-resists on armor were through the roof and I think this was the best measure, job well done. The new Zealot will be a joy to fly also \0/. Armor is supposed to have good EM resists. That's what makes armor special. That's the intended purpose in original game design. The concept of strengths and weakness, can you grasp it? Do you understand how it applies to game theory?
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Reavers.	Posted - 2008.03.11 12:00:00 - [13] Originally by: Ephemeron The concept of strengths and weakness, can you grasp it? Do you understand how it applies to game theory? Someone gets it. I still don't understand why people see that this is actually HELPING Amarr? They are nerffing EVERYONE's tank! Perhaps this is stealth "damn we frecked up 25% overall HP boost"-reverse patch? "The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of ~~gold~~crap"
Bloodyranger Minmatar Volition Cult The Volition Cult	Posted - 2008.03.11 12:01:00 - [14] I think amarrs have the best pvp ships already, I mean, Abaddon, Armageddon, Curse/Pilgrim, Archon it's just kinda insane they all get boosted. Minmatar are kinda left behind on this one --------- When the night is closing in, Watch for Volition Cult, they will win. Battling for power, battling for space. In combat, in the belts, in your face.
Lo3d3R MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.03.11 12:04:00 - [15] Edited by: Lo3d3R on 11/03/2008 12:04:51 Originally by: Ephemeron Originally by: Lo3d3R EM-resists on armor were through the roof and I think this was the best measure, job well done. The new Zealot will be a joy to fly also \0/. Armor is supposed to have good EM resists. That's what makes armor special. That's the intended purpose in original game design. The concept of strengths and weakness, can you grasp it? Do you understand how it applies to game theory? Please do not pop a vain. Secondly if your only damage is EM/THERMAL maybe you do not understand that 90% of the PVP ships used are armor tankers and therefore Amarr are shafted. It's funny you mention 'theory' yourself, maybe now you have learned that theory and practise are two different worlds. /me polishes his lazorrrs ___________________ Sexy Time:
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Reavers.	Posted - 2008.03.11 13:17:00 - [16] Originally by: Lo3d3R /me polishes his lazorrrs You do that while others realise that this is generally bad move. "The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of ~~gold~~crap"
Jaketh Ivanes Amarr Do Or Die And Live Or Try The Kano Organisation	Posted - 2008.03.11 14:02:00 - [17] The shield/armor resisit balance, is not is just a balance. I like that CCP can think further than most people here. If projectile weapons were limited to only kin/exp, how well do you think they would fare against shields? Just as well as Amarr does against armor. Reducing both is fair and balanced. That projectile ammo usually are "assisted" by a 3rd damage type, is just the Minmatarr perk. Amarr have been boosted. It was a small boost, as they said they would. Take small steps so Amarr wouldn't become overpowered again.
Phrixus Zephyr D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.11 14:05:00 - [18] Originally by: Cpt Branko You sound almost like you don't believe that making 2-3xEANM tanks much superior to 3-hardened tanks is Amarr oomph. Blasphemer. Do the maths. It doesnt anyway.
Orgos Khenn Minmatar	Posted - 2008.03.11 14:16:00 - [19] Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists you could give some ppl free beers and theyd complain that its not cold enough Only if they're Amarr. It could be 0 kelvin but then they'd whine about the flavour. ---- One day...one day General will be worth reading.
Nicholas Barker MASS Ministry Of Amarrian Secret Service	Posted - 2008.03.11 14:44:00 - [20] anybody else notice the geddons on the tops of all those titan kills, you know, doing more damage than dreadnaughts. This sucks. ---

Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.03.11 14:50:00 - [21] Originally by: Ephemeron Originally by: Lo3d3R EM-resists on armor were through the roof and I think this was the best measure, job well done. The new Zealot will be a joy to fly also \0/. Armor is supposed to have good EM resists. That's what makes armor special. That's the intended purpose in original game design. The concept of strengths and weakness, can you grasp it? Do you understand how it applies to game theory? Boy, there sure are a lot of straw men in this here thread. ---------------- Tarminic - 33 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.79.1
0raven0 Point-Zero SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.11 15:19:00 - [22] Originally by: Bloodyranger I think amarrs have the best pvp ships already, I mean, Abaddon, Armageddon, Curse/Pilgrim, Archon it's just kinda insane they all get boosted. Minmatar are kinda left behind on this one You do realize that this boosts minmatar even more than it boosts amarr right? EMP ammo now does even more damage to both shield and Armor. Lasers just do more damage to armor now. See this was just another hidden boost to minmatar ------ Quote: tuxford: AT LEAST ITS SPEELED CORRECTLY tuxford: spelled* Oveur: rofl
Wu Jiun	Posted - 2008.03.11 16:04:00 - [23] Edited by: Wu Jiun on 11/03/2008 16:06:29 Originally by: Bloodyranger I think amarrs have the best pvp ships already, I mean, Abaddon, Armageddon, Curse/Pilgrim, Archon it's just kinda insane they all get boosted. You can't believe it because its not true. Pilgrim is a pile of crap anyway. But even then curse/pilgrim don't receive a boost. There ewar goes from useleless to not so useless if you're talking avout the tds. Thats a goddamn fix. And btw. i know some minnie ships that actually do have the med to spare unlike most amarr ships - so this is a boost to each and everyone who likes to use tds. Archon? lol? Where the hell did it get boosted? Abaddon/Geddon don't receive a special boost either. em resistance will be lowered and so will exp resistance on shields. Amarr don't do exp damage with lasers, you know? Originally by: Bloodyranger Minmatar are kinda left behind on this one Uhhm yeah. Who uses exp and/or em damage on his most used ammo types? Right minmatar. Who has here and there a med ro spare? Right minmatar and gallente. And really if you can't find 5 good minnie pvp ships then you're doing something wrong. The only minnie ships i frequently fly are cruiser sized and even i don't have any problems to find 5 excellent ones. And i am sure i'll discover more when i finally have assembled all my skills to fly a maelstrom or phoon. Edit: and yes thx zulu. I am sorry you didn't do something for maller & proph but maybe you'll consider it later. great stuff anyway dude.
Princess Jodi Vendetta Underground Rule of Three	Posted - 2008.03.11 16:33:00 - [24] Lemmie see: ZuluPark finally addresses the Amarr-sucks problem by nerfing the Armor on my Gallente ship. Typical ZuluPark idiocy. CCP, when will you fire this idiot? Before or after he ruins your game?
Lo3d3R MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2008.03.11 16:57:00 - [25] Edited by: Lo3d3R on 11/03/2008 17:03:56 Originally by: Princess Jodi Lemmie see: ZuluPark finally addresses the Amarr-sucks problem by nerfing the Armor on my Gallente ship. Typical ZuluPark idiocy. CCP, when will you fire this idiot? Before or after he ruins your game? I cannot believe you post this here , not only is it not good for the relationship between CCP <-> Community which I can promise you is superb compared to other games, also its just plain rude, and your an ass. I hope 'they' can see that you are special and need special attention and a special forum, and that you are not speaking for the rest of us. Are such posts about CCP staff the new standard here? (I've had a years break ) ___________________ Sexy Time:
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.03.11 17:01:00 - [26] Originally by: Lo3d3R Originally by: Princess Jodi Lemmie see: ZuluPark finally addresses the Amarr-sucks problem by nerfing the Armor on my Gallente ship. Typical ZuluPark idiocy. CCP, when will you fire this idiot? Before or after he ruins your game? I cannot believe you post this here , not only is it not good for the relationship between CCP <-> Community which I can promise you is superb compared to other games, also its just plain... well rude... wtf dude hes doing hes job. Are such posts about CCP staff the new standard here? (I've had a years break ) Don't worry, he just has an ax to grind since Zulupark proposed to nerf his beloved carrier. ---------------- Tarminic - 33 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.79.1
Kyra Felann Gallente Noir.	Posted - 2008.03.11 17:06:00 - [27] Originally by: Orgos Khenn Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists you could give some ppl free beers and theyd complain that its not cold enough Only if they're Amarr. It could be 0 kelvin but then they'd whine about the flavour. That and the fact that it'd be ice and it'd be too cold to actually touch without your skin probably freezing. 0 Kelvin is cold, in fact it's as cold as anything can theoretically get.
Drykor Minmatar Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.03.11 17:20:00 - [28] Originally by: Ephemeron If it wasn't for the armor and shield resist nerf, this patch would have been great. It's not just a nerf to resistence, it's a nerf to the idea that shields and armor have opposite strengths and weaknesses, it's a nerf to variety in game. We could have achieved balance without making that sacrifice. QFE, though this is probably the wrong thread anyway to say anything productive :/
Bellum Eternus Gallente Death of Virtue Sex Panthers	Posted - 2008.03.11 18:08:00 - [29] Originally by: Cpt Branko You sound almost like you don't believe that making 2-3xEANM tanks much superior to 3-hardened tanks is Amarr oomph. Blasphemer. This. Anyone who thinks I'll be fitting anything other than 2x EANM / DC for armor tanking for a PVP fit is ridiculous. Hardeners will never see the light of day. Oh, and training EM Armor Compensation to 5 as we speak lol. Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Reavers.	Posted - 2008.03.11 18:40:00 - [30] We are going to see MORE EM hardeners thus lesser damage from lasers "The Amarr are the tanking and ganking floating rods of ~~gold~~crap"



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