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Kommedian
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Posted - 2008.03.11 23:06:00 -
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Edited by: Kommedian on 11/03/2008 23:24:30 I'm a fairly new player with ~1.6million SP...my focus right now is on earning faction rep as fast as possible, and i'm looking for opinion on the least SP intensive BC, with missioning as the only activity. Basically what you think would allow me the greatest rep/time ratio...
Or even alternatively...do you think i'd have better luck at this stage running in a cruiser? I'm running L2 missions right now and will be doing 3s ASAP.
Any thoughts?
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Nocturnal Avenger
Black Plague. RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.11 23:17:00 -
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Drake hands down
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Home 0f Bored Occultists
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Posted - 2008.03.11 23:27:00 -
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Yep drake.
Least SP intense race = caldari. Playing caldari is like playing a warlock. -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare |

Needle Juice
Caldari JET FORCE
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Posted - 2008.03.12 00:06:00 -
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whats a warlock
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Inen
OLE Mining Corp VENOM Alliance
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Posted - 2008.03.12 00:10:00 -
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I have to agree with the drake. In general, caldari missile boats are the least skill intensive. Anything with split weapon systems (typhoon - drones, missiles, turrets) will be more skill intensive.
An armor tanked AC hurricane shouldn't be too skill intensive either though.
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Deux Machina
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Posted - 2008.03.12 00:24:00 -
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Echoing the majority opinion: Drake.
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Daphne Oboe
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Posted - 2008.03.12 01:03:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Playing caldari is like playing a warlock.
I admit that brought back some memories 
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Gneeznow
Minmatar SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2008.03.12 01:05:00 -
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rocket ferox booya
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Bransden
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Posted - 2008.03.12 02:01:00 -
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My missioner was able to tank every level 3 mission in a drake with less than 1.5 million skillpoints.
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d3vo
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Posted - 2008.03.13 03:54:00 -
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missioning - caldari - drake too bad but still glad i didn't make that decision
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2008.03.13 04:00:00 -
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The day they give missile ships drones bays that are worth a damn is the day I train up those skills 
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Joe Starbreaker
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Posted - 2008.03.13 06:31:00 -
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Depends who you're doing missions for. The Amarr battlecruisers are excellent for running missions against Blood Raiders and Sanshas (the pirate factions indigenous to Amarria and neighboring areas) and I use my Prophecy or Harbinger to plough through the L3s for Amarr Navy and Khanid Navy.
If I were dealing with Angels (Minmitar-like pirates) though, I'd be a very unhappy mission runner. Basically each race's weapons are optimized to kill their own kind. If you're doing missions for Federation Navy, for example, use a Gallente BC.
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Batelle
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Posted - 2008.03.13 06:35:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Yep drake.
Least SP intense race = caldari. Playing caldari is like playing a warlock.
oh god i lol'd
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2008.03.13 07:13:00 -
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Originally by: Batelle
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Yep drake.
Least SP intense race = caldari. Playing caldari is like playing a warlock.
oh god i lol'd
That's a terrible analogy.
Warlocks actually have good DPS. 
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Arkedon
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Posted - 2008.03.13 07:24:00 -
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Originally by: Wet Ferret
That's a terrible analogy. Warlocks actually have good DPS. 
True. Drakes are more like protection-spec Paladins.
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Silent Deviant
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Posted - 2008.03.13 08:11:00 -
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Originally by: Joe Starbreaker Depends who you're doing missions for. The Amarr battlecruisers are excellent for running missions against Blood Raiders and Sanshas (the pirate factions indigenous to Amarria and neighboring areas) and I use my Prophecy or Harbinger to plough through the L3s for Amarr Navy and Khanid Navy.
If I were dealing with Angels (Minmitar-like pirates) though, I'd be a very unhappy mission runner. Basically each race's weapons are optimized to kill their own kind. If you're doing missions for Federation Navy, for example, use a Gallente BC.
With the drake you just change out the missiles to give the damage you need to kill the rats.
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Darius Brinn
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Posted - 2008.03.13 08:28:00 -
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Edited by: Darius Brinn on 13/03/2008 08:29:51
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2008.03.13 09:24:00 -
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Originally by: Silent Deviant
With the drake you just change out the missiles to give the damage you need to kill the rats.
Amarr ships are much better for killing the EM vulnerable factions and Rogue Drones, as unbonused EM heavies do terrible damage. It's the difference between "I'm halfway through that BS' shield" and "Holy **** that rat died fast".
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Lyria Skydancer
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Posted - 2008.03.13 09:32:00 -
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Originally by: Wet Ferret
Originally by: Batelle
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Yep drake.
Least SP intense race = caldari. Playing caldari is like playing a warlock.
oh god i lol'd
That's a terrible analogy.
Warlocks actually have good DPS. 
No its not, caldari is the easiest race to play in eve. Warlock is the easiest race to play in WoW. Its powerful and its simple. -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare |

Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2008.03.13 09:34:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
No its not, caldari is the easiest race to play in eve. Warlock is the easiest race to play in WoW. Its powerful and its simple.
If Warlocks didn't have incredible DPS, it wouldn't matter that they were **** easy to play.
Hence why it doesn't matter that Caldari are easy to play.
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Lyria Skydancer
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Posted - 2008.03.13 09:38:00 -
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Edited by: Lyria Skydancer on 13/03/2008 09:39:22
Originally by: Wet Ferret
If Warlocks didn't have incredible DPS, it wouldn't matter that they were **** easy to play.
Hence why it doesn't matter that Caldari are easy to play.
But they both are easy mode, arent they :-)
Heh and are we talking about the times before the fear nerf? Because pressing fear button and then a DOT button and then a fear button again and repeat is not what I call hard mode. -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare |

Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2008.03.13 09:42:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer
But they both are easy mode, arent they :-)
Heh and are we talking about the times before the fear nerf? Because pressing fear button and then a DOT button and then a fear button again and repeat is not what I call hard mode.
They still do that after the fear nerf. The only difference is that now deathcoil isn't a free fear.
Anyway, thread successfully derailed! 
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Lyria Skydancer
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Posted - 2008.03.13 09:46:00 -
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Originally by: Wet Ferret
Anyway, thread successfully derailed! 
lol  -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare |

Yakia TovilToba
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Posted - 2008.03.13 11:13:00 -
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Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Yep drake.
Least SP intense race = caldari. Playing caldari is like playing a warlock.
While i'm not going to question the statement on the drake, saying that caldari is the leas sp intense race is simply wrong. To be able to use all caldari ships at it's full potential, you will need to train: missiles hybrid turrets drones e-war, not like only lasters + drones for amarr. If you are going for turrets, you miss a lot of potential, ships like the ferox or moa don't have as much turrent points as high-slots, but they have launcher hardpoints, so you'd need to train both to use it at it's full potential. And you'd have to train missiles anyways, if you were up to use a caldari dreadnought. Even the caldari titan has a missile-related bonus. If you are going missiles only, youll only be able to use 3/4 of the caldaris most important ship, the raven, which has 6 launcher hardpoints and turret hardpoints for the last two highslots. So all you get is a bit lousy performance quite fast (faster then if you train for turrets maybe), but your potential is limited if you train only missiles.
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Saetan SaDiablo
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Posted - 2008.03.13 12:25:00 -
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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
While i'm not going to question the statement on the drake, saying that caldari is the leas sp intense race is simply wrong. To be able to use all caldari ships at it's full potential, you will need to train: missiles hybrid turrets drones e-war, not like only lasters + drones for amarr. If you are going for turrets, you miss a lot of potential, ships like the ferox or moa don't have as much turrent points as high-slots, but they have launcher hardpoints, so you'd need to train both to use it at it's full potential. And you'd have to train missiles anyways, if you were up to use a caldari dreadnought. Even the caldari titan has a missile-related bonus. If you are going missiles only, youll only be able to use 3/4 of the caldaris most important ship, the raven, which has 6 launcher hardpoints and turret hardpoints for the last two highslots. So all you get is a bit lousy performance quite fast (faster then if you train for turrets maybe), but your potential is limited if you train only missiles.
Have you played Amarr? Its hardly just Turrets and drones. WU and AWU are a must if you want to get away with as few fitting mods as possible. Another must is Controlled burst 5, and both cap skills to 5. This is hardly just "lasers and drones" Nice try though. As for your list Lets see... Caldari: missiles hybrid turrets
Amarr: Lasers Cap skills WU-AWU
Im not adding tank, ewar, and drones skills since both races need them.
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Sidephex
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Posted - 2008.03.13 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: Saetan SaDiablo
Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
... WU and AWU are a must if you want to get away with as few fitting mods as possible... and both cap skills to 5... Caldari: missiles hybrid turrets
Amarr: Lasers Cap skills WU-AWU
Im not adding tank, ewar, and drones skills since both races need them.
what are u talking about? any race should have maxed cap and fitting skills, not only amarr o_O ___________
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Saetan SaDiablo
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Posted - 2008.03.13 12:39:00 -
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Edited by: Saetan SaDiablo on 13/03/2008 12:42:23
Originally by: Sidephex
Originally by: Saetan SaDiablo
Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
... WU and AWU are a must if you want to get away with as few fitting mods as possible... and both cap skills to 5... Caldari: missiles hybrid turrets
Amarr: Lasers Cap skills WU-AWU
Im not adding tank, ewar, and drones skills since both races need them.
what are u talking about? any race should have maxed cap and fitting skills, not only amarr o_O
They arnt REQUIRED at 5 by every race. Amarr they are a requirement at 5 end of story. Especially for any sort of missioning setup.
Also i didnt mention regular fitting skills only WU and AWU. Every other race can get away with AWU 2 or 3, Amarr really must have BARE min AWU4. Absolute minimum and then you still have to fit some grid mods.
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Zorlag
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Posted - 2008.03.13 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Yep drake.
Least SP intense race = caldari. Playing caldari is like playing a warlock.
While i'm not going to question the statement on the drake, saying that caldari is the leas sp intense race is simply wrong. To be able to use all caldari ships at it's full potential, you will need to train: missiles hybrid turrets drones e-war, not like only lasters + drones for amarr. If you are going for turrets, you miss a lot of potential, ships like the ferox or moa don't have as much turrent points as high-slots, but they have launcher hardpoints, so you'd need to train both to use it at it's full potential. And you'd have to train missiles anyways, if you were up to use a caldari dreadnought. Even the caldari titan has a missile-related bonus. If you are going missiles only, youll only be able to use 3/4 of the caldaris most important ship, the raven, which has 6 launcher hardpoints and turret hardpoints for the last two highslots. So all you get is a bit lousy performance quite fast (faster then if you train for turrets maybe), but your potential is limited if you train only missiles.
You can get by just fine without training hybrid turrets for caldari ships. And really, who fits guns on those Raven slots? The caldari field a fine offense based on missiles alone. Drones are nice sometimes (although even then you don't have to train for heavy drones) and so is ewar (although again unnecessary, especially on battlecruisers), but neither is necessary, especially for missionrunning, which it sounds like this guy is doing~
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Vanessa Vale
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Posted - 2008.03.13 12:58:00 -
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I rise you a typhoon.
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Gypsio III
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Posted - 2008.03.13 13:13:00 -
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Originally by: Yakia TovilToba
Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Yep drake.
Least SP intense race = caldari. Playing caldari is like playing a warlock.
While i'm not going to question the statement on the drake, saying that caldari is the least sp intense race is simply wrong. To be able to use all Caldari ships at their full potential, you will need to train:
missiles hybrid turrets drones e-war
This is very true. Although you can certainly get by with a very narrow spread of skills, to make the most of Caldari ships, you need a really diverse array of skills. You could also add armour-tanking to that list if you want to benefit from remote-reps.
In comparison, Amarr ships require very good skills in a narrow field; Caldari ships require lesser levels of skill, but over a more diverse field.
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