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Pottsey	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:08:00 - [1] Edited by: Pottsey on 13/03/2008 07:08:53 How can CCP lie like this? Trinity 1.1: Boost Patch has launched, filled with helpful and thrilling modifications, and not a single 'nerf'. Some of the biggest nerfs we have had in a long time are in this path. Every single ship has been nerfed. Graphics settings have been nerfed. Cans and object in space have been nerfed and I bet thereÆs more I missed. Some of the nerfs like the graphics options have made the game unplayable for me and others. I hardly call that helpful and thrilling modification. Passive shield tanking guide click here
Marcus TheMartin	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:11:00 - [2] Linkage
Tobias Sjodin	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:12:00 - [3] Oh no! Help promote the "boost low-sec"-project.
Vaal Erit	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:13:00 - [4] All you whiners are so dumb. Every boost = a nerf on something else. But there hasn't been any game shaking nerfs like NOS nerf, dual MWD nerf, istab BS nerf, RSD nerf, etc. Good god, you nitpickers about "omg they did a white lie" need to chill and play the game.
Wet Ferret	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:15:00 - [5] Originally by: Vaal Erit All you whiners are so dumb. Every boost = a nerf on something else. But there hasn't been any game shaking nerfs like NOS nerf, dual MWD nerf, istab BS nerf, RSD nerf, etc. Good god, you nitpickers about "omg they did a white lie" need to chill and play the game. Hey, idiot. Some people are whining because they actually can't play the game. Did you even read the post?
Wu Jiun	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:21:00 - [6] Just out of interest: what graphic changes and how does it make the game unplayable? They are still supporting classic graphics or what is this about?
Wet Ferret	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:23:00 - [7] They removed a bunch of resolutions from the client and some people who were using them can't even start the game at all now.
WhiteSavage	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:23:00 - [8] "Every single ship has been nerfed." Where do these people come from? I understand your line of thinking but... do you? Because from this angle you sound like A Bag of angry Jello smoking dandelions under a leafeless tree during a snowstorm. ___________________________________________ ..My doctor says that I have a malformed public-duty gland and a natural deficiency in moral fiber, and that I am therefore excused from saving Universes
techzer0	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:23:00 - [9] Originally by: Wet Ferret They removed a bunch of resolutions from the client and some people who were using them can't even start the game at all now. Oh fun... guess I'll find out when I get home ------------ Originally by: CCP Mitnal It's great being a puppetmaster
Pottsey	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:30:00 - [10] ôWhere do these people come from? I understand your line of thinking but... do you?ö Of course I do. Definition of a nerf ônerf is a change to a game that downgrades the power, effectiveness or influence of a particular game elementô Lowering amour and shield resistance on all ships comes under the definition of a nerf. Removing graphics options is a nerf to the settings and makes the game unplayable for some. Passive shield tanking guide click here
Jaketh Ivanes	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:34:00 - [11] Originally by: Pottsey ôWhere do these people come from? I understand your line of thinking but... do you?ö Of course I do. Definition of a nerf ônerf is a change to a game that downgrades the power, effectiveness or influence of a particular game elementô Lowering amour and shield resistance on all ships comes under the definition of a nerf. Removing graphics options is a nerf to the settings and makes the game unplayable for some. strangely enough, the same "nerf" boosts damage on all ships. So I'll see it as a boost rather than a nerf.
WhiteSavage	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:36:00 - [12] Teh glass is half FULL. Hug a baby sometime. ___________________________________________ ..My doctor says that I have a malformed public-duty gland and a natural deficiency in moral fiber, and that I am therefore excused from saving Universes
Vaal Erit	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:36:00 - [13] Originally by: Wet Ferret Originally by: Vaal Erit All you whiners are so dumb. Every boost = a nerf on something else. But there hasn't been any game shaking nerfs like NOS nerf, dual MWD nerf, istab BS nerf, RSD nerf, etc. Good god, you nitpickers about "omg they did a white lie" need to chill and play the game. Hey, idiot. Some people are whining because they actually can't play the game. Did you even read the post? Pottsey edited his original post with MORE WHINAGE. He already has a similar post so now Pottsey is just spamming. Technical issues are hardly a nerf, you guys are acting like upset little emo kids, yar
Pottsey	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:36:00 - [14] ôstrangely enough, the same "nerf" boosts damage on all ships. So I'll see it as a boost rather than a nerf.ö Perhaps from a PvP perspective but from a PvE point of view itÆs a massive nerf as NPCÆs donÆt appear to have the change. Passive shield tanking guide click here
Vaal Erit	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:41:00 - [15] Originally by: Pottsey ôWhere do these people come from? I understand your line of thinking but... do you?ö Of course I do. Definition of a nerf ônerf is a change to a game that downgrades the power, effectiveness or influence of a particular game elementô Show a gameplay boost that does not nerf another gameplay element.
Inertial	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:45:00 - [16] Technical issues aren't nerfs. The lowering of resists weren't nerfs either, but a necesary boost to Ammar weaponary.
Pottsey	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:46:00 - [17] ôShow a gameplay boost that does not nerf another gameplay element.ö Adding tractor beams to speed up looting. Adding better chance to find expeditions. ItÆs not the resistance I am most upset about its the removing of graphics options so I cannot play Eve. Passive shield tanking guide click here
Pottsey	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:49:00 - [18] ôTechnical issues aren't nerfs.ö I didnt count it as a technical issue as that makes it sound like a technical bug. The UI is a gameplay element is it not? The UI no longer fits on my screen due to a planed change. Even if itÆs not a nerf its a stupid change that needs fixing. Passive shield tanking guide click here
Andrue	Posted - 2008.03.13 08:02:00 - [19] Originally by: Inertial Technical issues aren't nerfs. The lowering of resists weren't nerfs either, but a necesary boost to Ammar weaponary. What about the faction ships? If you pop over the Ships and Modules section you'll see that the Navy Apoc is now worse than the standard Apoc. So: Mission runners have a harder time. Navy Apoc owners now have a worse ship than the T1 equivalent. Still think there was no nerf? -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Vaal Erit	Posted - 2008.03.13 08:02:00 - [20] Originally by: Pottsey ôShow a gameplay boost that does not nerf another gameplay element.ö Adding tractor beams to speed up looting. Adding better chance to find expeditions. ItÆs not the resistance I am most upset about its the removing of graphics options so I cannot play Eve. That's giving a nerf to other forms of income since they are making less isk/hr than a salvager/tractor beam user. Better chance to explore is once again a nerf to other forms of making isk as well as a general nerf to isk as their is more isk in the universe. You already have a post about the resolution issue. Either spamming or whining, take yer pick to what you are doing.
Xyn Rhais	Posted - 2008.03.13 08:24:00 - [21] You can't call every bug a nerf. A nerf is an intended gameplay change that makes something weaker compared to something else (at least in the view of the person who calls it a nerf). There's no such thing as "nerfed graphics settings". LOL ? The resist changes are the only nerf that i've heared about. But they're a good balance choice, in PvP the races most affected by the boost are also affected most by the nerf so it balances out - EM for Amarr who armor tank, Explosive for Caldari who shield tank. It makes perfect sense. In PvE you need to strengthen your tank a bit. Big deal.
Bellum Eternus	Posted - 2008.03.13 08:25:00 - [22] Originally by: Pottsey Edited by: Pottsey on 13/03/2008 07:08:53 How can CCP lie like this? Trinity 1.1: Boost Patch has launched, filled with helpful and thrilling modifications, and not a single 'nerf'. Some of the biggest nerfs we have had in a long time are in this path. Every single ship has been nerfed. Graphics settings have been nerfed. Cans and object in space have been nerfed and I bet thereÆs more I missed. Some of the nerfs like the graphics options have made the game unplayable for me and others. I hardly call that helpful and thrilling modification. You forgot about hardware sound acceleration for Vista users. Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I
Marcus TheMartin	Posted - 2008.03.13 08:40:00 - [23] Edited by: Marcus TheMartin on 13/03/2008 08:43:34 Originally by: Andrue Originally by: Inertial Technical issues aren't nerfs. The lowering of resists weren't nerfs either, but a necesary boost to Ammar weaponary. What about the faction ships? If you pop over the Ships and Modules section you'll see that the Navy Apoc is now worse than the standard Apoc. So: Mission runners have a harder time. Navy Apoc owners now have a worse ship than the T1 equivalent. Still think there was no nerf? mission runners can use regular apoc's also how can mission runners have a harder time if nothing changed about the ship that they are using?
milllo	Posted - 2008.03.13 08:43:00 - [24] ccp lied - pvers died
Failway	Posted - 2008.03.13 08:46:00 - [25] Quote: strangely enough, the same "nerf" boosts damage on all ships It nerfs the resistances of every ship but it only boosts the damage of ships that deal EM or Explosive damage. My shields get weaker but my hybrid turrets don't get any stronger. On the other hand this nerf came about as a desire to boost the effectiveness of Amarr weaponry, so it's in keeping with the "boost" theme even if it ended up being contrary to the wording they used.
WhiteSavage	Posted - 2008.03.13 08:55:00 - [26] So cry about it. ...Oh nvm... Children are DYING of starvation somewhere. ___________________________________________ ..My doctor says that I have a malformed public-duty gland and a natural deficiency in moral fiber, and that I am therefore excused from saving Universes
Inertial	Posted - 2008.03.13 09:04:00 - [27] Originally by: Andrue Originally by: Inertial Technical issues aren't nerfs. The lowering of resists weren't nerfs either, but a necesary boost to Ammar weaponary. What about the faction ships? If you pop over the Ships and Modules section you'll see that the Navy Apoc is now worse than the standard Apoc. So: Mission runners have a harder time. Navy Apoc owners now have a worse ship than the T1 equivalent. Still think there was no nerf? So exactly what was changed by the Navy Apoc? Did it get less powergrid? Did it loost any slots or bonuses? Was it armour, shield and structure made comparable to a shuttle? Nope, all that happend was that the regular Apoc was improved.
Marcus TheMartin	Posted - 2008.03.13 09:15:00 - [28] Edited by: Marcus TheMartin on 13/03/2008 09:15:26 Originally by: WhiteSavage So cry about it. ...Oh nvm... Children are DYING of starvation somewhere. And you're posting on a forum. Forum posts don't feed (I would know)
Plave Okice	Posted - 2008.03.13 09:19:00 - [29] It's a matter of perspective, turret disruptors affecting falloff boosts them, but could be seen as a nerf to minmatar if you fly minnie. Is your glass half full or half empty? Red CEORed Vs Blue
Marcus TheMartin	Posted - 2008.03.13 09:24:00 - [30] Originally by: Plave Okice It's a matter of perspective, turret disruptors affecting falloff boosts them, but could be seen as a nerf to minmatar if you fly minnie. Is your glass half full or half empty? my glass contains 50%liquid 50%Gas
Pottsey	Posted - 2008.03.13 09:30:00 - [31] ôThat's giving a nerf to other forms of income since they are making less isk/hr than a salvager/tractor beam user.ö ThatÆs a not nerf to other forms of income. The other people are not gaining less isk for their job so there is no nerf. ItÆs only a nerf if the other people ended up with less isk per hour due to salvager/tractor. A nerf is where one element gets worse. Not when one element stays the same and another gets better. ôEither spamming or whining, take yer pick to what you are doing.ö Will pick whining if I have to pick. But its valid wineing as I cannot play the game I am paying for and I donÆt want to quit. ôYou can't call every bug a nerf.ö But its not a bug. So it is a nerf. Passive shield tanking guide click here
Vaal Erit	Posted - 2008.03.13 10:03:00 - [32] Originally by: Pottsey ôThat's giving a nerf to other forms of income since they are making less isk/hr than a salvager/tractor beam user.ö ThatÆs a not nerf to other forms of income. The other people are not gaining less isk for their job so there is no nerf. ItÆs only a nerf if the other people ended up with less isk per hour due to salvager/tractor. A nerf is where one element gets worse. Not when one element stays the same and another gets better. ôEither spamming or whining, take yer pick to what you are doing.ö Will pick whining if I have to pick. But its valid wineing as I cannot play the game I am paying for and I donÆt want to quit. ôYou can't call every bug a nerf.ö But its not a bug. So it is a nerf. You need to educate yourself bro. If everyone gets a boost then it is not a boost because who got stronger? Everyone got stronger so everyone is at the same level again. Or you can say that faster exploration times means 1 guy can scan out and complete more complexes in a day and thus other people can't compete and are nerfed. And yes, making more isk in one profession nerfs the other. Say Mining and ratting nets me 100M isk/hr but boost mining to 200m isk/hr and suddenly every miner has 2x the isk as me and can wtfpwn me market pvp style. Logic bro, logic. Contract sent to Pottsey, it contains: 1x Logic Skillbook Also, a technical issue is when common resolutions don't work on a game anymore. If you don't think that is a technical issues then you are just wrong. Maybe you should grow up and admit when you are wrong, then you'd get some respect instead of being laughed at by everyone (read other posts in this thread) Bug, technical issue, whatever. Absolutely no one in the computer industry will call a resolution problem a nerf unless they are making a hideously unfunny joke. fake edit: I am trying to flame to get this useless spamming post locked. What they should do is nerf whiners like Pottsey
Malcanis	Posted - 2008.03.13 10:08:00 - [33] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Edited by: Marcus TheMartin on 13/03/2008 08:43:34 Originally by: Andrue Originally by: Inertial Technical issues aren't nerfs. The lowering of resists weren't nerfs either, but a necesary boost to Ammar weaponary. What about the faction ships? If you pop over the Ships and Modules section you'll see that the Navy Apoc is now worse than the standard Apoc. So: Mission runners have a harder time. Navy Apoc owners now have a worse ship than the T1 equivalent. Still think there was no nerf? mission runners can use regular apoc's also how can mission runners have a harder time if nothing changed about the ship that they are using? You don't understand: if someone else's ship got boosted then it's really AN EVIL NERF!!!111 Also, every change, no matter what, is a "stealth minmatar nerf". CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Merak Thrawn	Posted - 2008.03.13 10:16:00 - [34] Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes Originally by: Pottsey ôWhere do these people come from? I understand your line of thinking but... do you?ö Of course I do. Definition of a nerf ônerf is a change to a game that downgrades the power, effectiveness or influence of a particular game elementô Lowering amour and shield resistance on all ships comes under the definition of a nerf. Removing graphics options is a nerf to the settings and makes the game unplayable for some. strangely enough, the same "nerf" boosts damage on all ships. So I'll see it as a boost rather than a nerf. Not true... Dmg boosted on Amarr + Caldari _(kinda)_ (Since they probably won't even have to switch missile type now after shields are gone on armortanks + Minmatar (EMP Ammo, high EM AND High explosive dmg) Ubermode x 2 with EMP ammo in this patch... Gallente?... Umm 10% weaker EM tank, hardly any of their T2 ships have omni resistance bonuses, it's all Kinetic and Thermal along with the dmg types they deal. Gallente got totally shafted with this patch imho, maybe they deserved it, but this is a bit too much... Sleipnir vs. Astarte before the patch?... I'd prolly have bet on the Sleipnir...Now i'd bet my entire wallet on the Sleipnir.
Timotheus Siberius	Posted - 2008.03.13 10:29:00 - [35] I think there is a misconception about what a nerf is and how it is defined - it's slang after all. But I think, because all ships have been changed, it was a universal change and not a discriminating one which changed only a small portion or single item. Hence it is no "nerf", but rather a tuning. * See you in space!
Merak Thrawn	Posted - 2008.03.13 10:48:00 - [36] Originally by: Timotheus Siberius I think there is a misconception about what a nerf is and how it is defined - it's slang after all. But I think, because all ships have been changed, it was a universal change and not a discriminating one which changed only a small portion or single item. Hence it is no "nerf", but rather a tuning. True in some ways, but since all races don't deal the same dmg types or have the same tanks - When the same stats on all the races ships change, some specific race/ships will get hit harder. In this case Gallente got shafted really hard tbh.
Willow Whisp	Posted - 2008.03.13 11:30:00 - [37] Pottsey, this was on a different thread, but might help with the Graphics Settings issues you are having: Quote: Quote: The 1152x864 screen resolution is gone!? It is still there for me.... I have found that Eve doesn't have resolutions to select from by default, it reads them from the list your Windows settings give you, I actually setup my own 1920x1100 resolution under windows and it then would appear in Eve. If you don't have that resolution on your Windows display settings listing then it won't appear in Eve. If you do it should. (not sure how this works for Linux/MacOS etc. -- Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes ^^ Woo hoo! Yellow Text!... wait... :(
Pottsey	Posted - 2008.03.13 12:19:00 - [38] ôYou need to educate yourself bro. If everyone gets a boost then it is not a boost because who got stronger?ö I donÆt need to educate myself what I said is right. Not everyone got a boost. My tank got nerfed, my damage output stayed the same. ôAnd yes, making more isk in one profession nerfs the other. Say Mining and ratting nets me 100M isk/hr but boost mining to 200m isk/hr andö ThatÆs not a nerf. Clearly you have a different definition of Nerf to me. The miner makes 100mill The salvager makes 100mill. Then a change happens The miner makes 120mill The salvager makes 100mill. No one got nerfed. The miner got a boost while the salvager stayed the same. Now if the salvager dropped down to 90million or less thatÆs a nerf. ôPottsey, this was on a different thread, but might help with the Graphics Settings issues you are having:ö Thanks but it didnÆt work. Passive shield tanking guide click here
Dramund	Posted - 2008.03.13 12:21:00 - [39] Everything is a nerf, everyone is out to get you, the glass is always half-empty, and there is nothing good about anything. /wrists
Ethaet	Posted - 2008.03.13 12:26:00 - [40] Edited by: Ethaet on 13/03/2008 12:26:37 Lets see... -nerfs to shield and armour tanking -nerf to undocking safely -nerf to the raptor's powergrid -Nerf to the navy apoc based on the t1 apoc now being better Also, -Nerf to performance -Nerf to settings (again!)
Malken	Posted - 2008.03.13 12:33:00 - [41] Originally by: Pottsey Removing graphics options is a nerf to the settings and makes the game unplayable for some. FFS Pottsey you still havent upgraded so you can play in 1024*768? does that mean you havent upgraded since EnB Beta?
Pottsey	Posted - 2008.03.13 12:37:00 - [42] Edited by: Pottsey on 13/03/2008 12:37:09 *ôFFS Pottsey you still havent upgraded so you can play in 1024768? does that mean you havent upgraded since EnB Beta?ö** I play at resolutions higher then 1024768 but they got removed meaning my only option left is 1024768. Being a fleet commander at 1024768 is not fun. You donÆt have enough screen space. Thats my complaint they took out screen resolutions above 1024768 for what apears to be no reason. Passive shield tanking guide click here
Polinus	Posted - 2008.03.13 12:43:00 - [43] Originally by: Vaal Erit All you whiners are so dumb. Every boost = a nerf on something else. But there hasn't been any game shaking nerfs like NOS nerf, dual MWD nerf, istab BS nerf, RSD nerf, etc. Good god, you nitpickers about "omg they did a white lie" need to chill and play the game. the removal of graphic options is a boost to who? Its a bland ou LIE in front page. Sometimes i wish ccp was in a country with real costumer protection laws.
WhiteSavage	Posted - 2008.03.14 05:00:00 - [44] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Edited by: Marcus TheMartin on 13/03/2008 09:15:26 Originally by: WhiteSavage So cry about it. ...Oh nvm... Children are DYING of starvation somewhere. And you're posting on a forum. Forum posts don't feed (I would know) On the contrary. Every time I post, Canada feeds a baby. ___________________________________________ ..My doctor says that I have a malformed public-duty gland and a natural deficiency in moral fiber, and that I am therefore excused from saving Universes
Thundercat Doom	Posted - 2008.03.14 07:14:00 - [45] It's propaganda. They used it before the Trinity release as well. Lately, the stuff CCP has been feeding the player base about upcoming "boosts" and patches has really started to make them sound like used car sales people. Everyone knows you NEVER trust a used car salesperson.
Marcus TheMartin	Posted - 2008.03.14 07:18:00 - [46] Originally by: Thundercat Doom It's propaganda. They used it before the Trinity release as well. Lately, the stuff CCP has been feeding the player base about upcoming "boosts" and patches has really started to make them sound like used car sales people. Everyone knows you NEVER trust a used car salesperson. Your Stuff My hangar? Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Thundercat Doom	Posted - 2008.03.14 07:22:00 - [47] Edited by: Thundercat Doom on 14/03/2008 07:24:55 Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Your Stuff My hangar? You're funny, you deserve some kind of an award son. The originality of your comment was also very sensational. Perhaps you could give me lessons?
Marcus TheMartin	Posted - 2008.03.14 07:32:00 - [48] Originally by: Thundercat Doom Edited by: Thundercat Doom on 14/03/2008 07:24:55 Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Your Stuff My hangar? You're funny, you deserve some kind of an award son. The originality of your comment was also very sensational. Perhaps you could give me lessons? the lessons will cost you all of your stuff please contract it to my hangar Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Reem Fairchild	Posted - 2008.03.14 07:36:00 - [49] Originally by: Pottsey Edited by: Pottsey on 13/03/2008 12:37:09 *ôFFS Pottsey you still havent upgraded so you can play in 1024768? does that mean you havent upgraded since EnB Beta?ö** I play at resolutions higher then 1024768 but they got removed meaning my only option left is 1024768. Being a fleet commander at 1024768 is not fun. You donÆt have enough screen space. Thats my complaint they took out screen resolutions above 1024768 for what apears to be no reason. What are you talking about? I use a larger resolution than that, and the option for my resolution is definitely still there.
Alex Raptos The Firestorm Cartel	Posted - 2008.03.14 08:36:00 - [50] Originally by: Pottsey ôShow a gameplay boost that does not nerf another gameplay element.ö Adding tractor beams to speed up looting. Adding better chance to find expeditions. ItÆs not the resistance I am most upset about its the removing of graphics options so I cannot play Eve. Erhem, those are not BOOSTS Those are ADDITIONS.
Dianeces Repo Industries R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.03.14 09:01:00 - [51] Why don't you shield tank a Navy Mega about it?
Pottsey Enheduanni Foundation	Posted - 2008.03.14 19:42:00 - [52] ôI use a larger resolution than that, and the option for my resolution is definitely still there.ö Not all the larger resolutions have been removed. Only some and many others are reporting the same problem as me. ôErhem, those are not BOOSTS Those are ADDITIONS.ö One is an addition the other one is a boost. Passive shield tanking guide click here
Quincunx Subspace Anomaly	Posted - 2008.03.14 20:30:00 - [53] Originally by: Plave Okice Is your glass half full or half empty? My glass is not half full, nor is it half empty. It is simply twice as big as it needs to be.
Butzewutze Imperial Academy	Posted - 2008.03.14 20:34:00 - [54] This -> clicky is definatly a nerf to minmatar and everybody who cant see this is either a noob or dont have clue about game mechanics.

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