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Pottsey	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:08:00 - [1] Edited by: Pottsey on 13/03/2008 07:08:53 How can CCP lie like this? Trinity 1.1: Boost Patch has launched, filled with helpful and thrilling modifications, and not a single 'nerf'. Some of the biggest nerfs we have had in a long time are in this path. Every single ship has been nerfed. Graphics settings have been nerfed. Cans and object in space have been nerfed and I bet thereÆs more I missed. Some of the nerfs like the graphics options have made the game unplayable for me and others. I hardly call that helpful and thrilling modification. Passive shield tanking guide click here
Marcus TheMartin	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:11:00 - [2] Linkage
Tobias Sjodin	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:12:00 - [3] Oh no! Help promote the "boost low-sec"-project.
Vaal Erit	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:13:00 - [4] All you whiners are so dumb. Every boost = a nerf on something else. But there hasn't been any game shaking nerfs like NOS nerf, dual MWD nerf, istab BS nerf, RSD nerf, etc. Good god, you nitpickers about "omg they did a white lie" need to chill and play the game.
Wet Ferret	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:15:00 - [5] Originally by: Vaal Erit All you whiners are so dumb. Every boost = a nerf on something else. But there hasn't been any game shaking nerfs like NOS nerf, dual MWD nerf, istab BS nerf, RSD nerf, etc. Good god, you nitpickers about "omg they did a white lie" need to chill and play the game. Hey, idiot. Some people are whining because they actually can't play the game. Did you even read the post?
Wu Jiun	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:21:00 - [6] Just out of interest: what graphic changes and how does it make the game unplayable? They are still supporting classic graphics or what is this about?
Wet Ferret	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:23:00 - [7] They removed a bunch of resolutions from the client and some people who were using them can't even start the game at all now.
WhiteSavage	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:23:00 - [8] "Every single ship has been nerfed." Where do these people come from? I understand your line of thinking but... do you? Because from this angle you sound like A Bag of angry Jello smoking dandelions under a leafeless tree during a snowstorm. ___________________________________________ ..My doctor says that I have a malformed public-duty gland and a natural deficiency in moral fiber, and that I am therefore excused from saving Universes
techzer0	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:23:00 - [9] Originally by: Wet Ferret They removed a bunch of resolutions from the client and some people who were using them can't even start the game at all now. Oh fun... guess I'll find out when I get home ------------ Originally by: CCP Mitnal It's great being a puppetmaster
Pottsey	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:30:00 - [10] ôWhere do these people come from? I understand your line of thinking but... do you?ö Of course I do. Definition of a nerf ônerf is a change to a game that downgrades the power, effectiveness or influence of a particular game elementô Lowering amour and shield resistance on all ships comes under the definition of a nerf. Removing graphics options is a nerf to the settings and makes the game unplayable for some. Passive shield tanking guide click here
Jaketh Ivanes	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:34:00 - [11] Originally by: Pottsey ôWhere do these people come from? I understand your line of thinking but... do you?ö Of course I do. Definition of a nerf ônerf is a change to a game that downgrades the power, effectiveness or influence of a particular game elementô Lowering amour and shield resistance on all ships comes under the definition of a nerf. Removing graphics options is a nerf to the settings and makes the game unplayable for some. strangely enough, the same "nerf" boosts damage on all ships. So I'll see it as a boost rather than a nerf.
WhiteSavage	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:36:00 - [12] Teh glass is half FULL. Hug a baby sometime. ___________________________________________ ..My doctor says that I have a malformed public-duty gland and a natural deficiency in moral fiber, and that I am therefore excused from saving Universes
Vaal Erit	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:36:00 - [13] Originally by: Wet Ferret Originally by: Vaal Erit All you whiners are so dumb. Every boost = a nerf on something else. But there hasn't been any game shaking nerfs like NOS nerf, dual MWD nerf, istab BS nerf, RSD nerf, etc. Good god, you nitpickers about "omg they did a white lie" need to chill and play the game. Hey, idiot. Some people are whining because they actually can't play the game. Did you even read the post? Pottsey edited his original post with MORE WHINAGE. He already has a similar post so now Pottsey is just spamming. Technical issues are hardly a nerf, you guys are acting like upset little emo kids, yar
Pottsey	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:36:00 - [14] ôstrangely enough, the same "nerf" boosts damage on all ships. So I'll see it as a boost rather than a nerf.ö Perhaps from a PvP perspective but from a PvE point of view itÆs a massive nerf as NPCÆs donÆt appear to have the change. Passive shield tanking guide click here
Vaal Erit	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:41:00 - [15] Originally by: Pottsey ôWhere do these people come from? I understand your line of thinking but... do you?ö Of course I do. Definition of a nerf ônerf is a change to a game that downgrades the power, effectiveness or influence of a particular game elementô Show a gameplay boost that does not nerf another gameplay element.
Inertial	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:45:00 - [16] Technical issues aren't nerfs. The lowering of resists weren't nerfs either, but a necesary boost to Ammar weaponary.
Pottsey	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:46:00 - [17] ôShow a gameplay boost that does not nerf another gameplay element.ö Adding tractor beams to speed up looting. Adding better chance to find expeditions. ItÆs not the resistance I am most upset about its the removing of graphics options so I cannot play Eve. Passive shield tanking guide click here
Pottsey	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:49:00 - [18] ôTechnical issues aren't nerfs.ö I didnt count it as a technical issue as that makes it sound like a technical bug. The UI is a gameplay element is it not? The UI no longer fits on my screen due to a planed change. Even if itÆs not a nerf its a stupid change that needs fixing. Passive shield tanking guide click here
Andrue	Posted - 2008.03.13 08:02:00 - [19] Originally by: Inertial Technical issues aren't nerfs. The lowering of resists weren't nerfs either, but a necesary boost to Ammar weaponary. What about the faction ships? If you pop over the Ships and Modules section you'll see that the Navy Apoc is now worse than the standard Apoc. So: Mission runners have a harder time. Navy Apoc owners now have a worse ship than the T1 equivalent. Still think there was no nerf? -- (Sarcastic mission running veteran) [Brackley, UK] My budgie can say "ploppy bottom". You have been warned.
Vaal Erit	Posted - 2008.03.13 08:02:00 - [20] Originally by: Pottsey ôShow a gameplay boost that does not nerf another gameplay element.ö Adding tractor beams to speed up looting. Adding better chance to find expeditions. ItÆs not the resistance I am most upset about its the removing of graphics options so I cannot play Eve. That's giving a nerf to other forms of income since they are making less isk/hr than a salvager/tractor beam user. Better chance to explore is once again a nerf to other forms of making isk as well as a general nerf to isk as their is more isk in the universe. You already have a post about the resolution issue. Either spamming or whining, take yer pick to what you are doing.
Xyn Rhais	Posted - 2008.03.13 08:24:00 - [21] You can't call every bug a nerf. A nerf is an intended gameplay change that makes something weaker compared to something else (at least in the view of the person who calls it a nerf). There's no such thing as "nerfed graphics settings". LOL ? The resist changes are the only nerf that i've heared about. But they're a good balance choice, in PvP the races most affected by the boost are also affected most by the nerf so it balances out - EM for Amarr who armor tank, Explosive for Caldari who shield tank. It makes perfect sense. In PvE you need to strengthen your tank a bit. Big deal.
Bellum Eternus	Posted - 2008.03.13 08:25:00 - [22] Originally by: Pottsey Edited by: Pottsey on 13/03/2008 07:08:53 How can CCP lie like this? Trinity 1.1: Boost Patch has launched, filled with helpful and thrilling modifications, and not a single 'nerf'. Some of the biggest nerfs we have had in a long time are in this path. Every single ship has been nerfed. Graphics settings have been nerfed. Cans and object in space have been nerfed and I bet thereÆs more I missed. Some of the nerfs like the graphics options have made the game unplayable for me and others. I hardly call that helpful and thrilling modification. You forgot about hardware sound acceleration for Vista users. Bellum Eternus [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y [Vid] L E G E N D A R Y I I
Marcus TheMartin	Posted - 2008.03.13 08:40:00 - [23] Edited by: Marcus TheMartin on 13/03/2008 08:43:34 Originally by: Andrue Originally by: Inertial Technical issues aren't nerfs. The lowering of resists weren't nerfs either, but a necesary boost to Ammar weaponary. What about the faction ships? If you pop over the Ships and Modules section you'll see that the Navy Apoc is now worse than the standard Apoc. So: Mission runners have a harder time. Navy Apoc owners now have a worse ship than the T1 equivalent. Still think there was no nerf? mission runners can use regular apoc's also how can mission runners have a harder time if nothing changed about the ship that they are using?
milllo	Posted - 2008.03.13 08:43:00 - [24] ccp lied - pvers died
Failway	Posted - 2008.03.13 08:46:00 - [25] Quote: strangely enough, the same "nerf" boosts damage on all ships It nerfs the resistances of every ship but it only boosts the damage of ships that deal EM or Explosive damage. My shields get weaker but my hybrid turrets don't get any stronger. On the other hand this nerf came about as a desire to boost the effectiveness of Amarr weaponry, so it's in keeping with the "boost" theme even if it ended up being contrary to the wording they used.
WhiteSavage	Posted - 2008.03.13 08:55:00 - [26] So cry about it. ...Oh nvm... Children are DYING of starvation somewhere. ___________________________________________ ..My doctor says that I have a malformed public-duty gland and a natural deficiency in moral fiber, and that I am therefore excused from saving Universes
Inertial	Posted - 2008.03.13 09:04:00 - [27] Originally by: Andrue Originally by: Inertial Technical issues aren't nerfs. The lowering of resists weren't nerfs either, but a necesary boost to Ammar weaponary. What about the faction ships? If you pop over the Ships and Modules section you'll see that the Navy Apoc is now worse than the standard Apoc. So: Mission runners have a harder time. Navy Apoc owners now have a worse ship than the T1 equivalent. Still think there was no nerf? So exactly what was changed by the Navy Apoc? Did it get less powergrid? Did it loost any slots or bonuses? Was it armour, shield and structure made comparable to a shuttle? Nope, all that happend was that the regular Apoc was improved.
Marcus TheMartin	Posted - 2008.03.13 09:15:00 - [28] Edited by: Marcus TheMartin on 13/03/2008 09:15:26 Originally by: WhiteSavage So cry about it. ...Oh nvm... Children are DYING of starvation somewhere. And you're posting on a forum. Forum posts don't feed (I would know)
Plave Okice	Posted - 2008.03.13 09:19:00 - [29] It's a matter of perspective, turret disruptors affecting falloff boosts them, but could be seen as a nerf to minmatar if you fly minnie. Is your glass half full or half empty? Red CEORed Vs Blue
Marcus TheMartin	Posted - 2008.03.13 09:24:00 - [30] Originally by: Plave Okice It's a matter of perspective, turret disruptors affecting falloff boosts them, but could be seen as a nerf to minmatar if you fly minnie. Is your glass half full or half empty? my glass contains 50%liquid 50%Gas

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