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Amira Shadowsong State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.14 19:03:00 - [1] Why didnt these ships get love? Why didnt pilgrim get fixed? Right now pilgrim is the worst recon for solo and for gangs. Absolution needs a 4th mid or it cant really kill anything unless he "has a friend". Sentinel cant even run 1 of its own EW mods without capping out, while other races can just keep full racks of it going inherently. One of the worst EAS out there and as usual caldari and minmatar got the greatest EW ships. /discuss.
Amira Shadowsong State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.14 19:03:00 - [2] Why didnt these ships get love? Why didnt pilgrim get fixed? Right now pilgrim is the worst recon for solo and for gangs. Absolution needs a 4th mid or it cant really kill anything unless he "has a friend". Sentinel cant even run 1 of its own EW mods without capping out, while other races can just keep full racks of it going inherently. One of the worst EAS out there and as usual caldari and minmatar got the greatest EW ships. /discuss.
SirDanceAlot Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.03.14 19:14:00 - [3] I still dont think ccp likes amarr. Or there is just so much broken that it will take years.
Draahk Chimera Monopropellant Fools	Posted - 2008.03.14 20:44:00 - [4] Pilgrim has the best tank of the force recons. It is an awesome ship in gang and the best recon for solo. Not a random statement, I fly them regurarily on my other acc. Abs I dont fly, but EVE is a gang game. Try flying caldari for a while :P Dont fly sentinel either, but try using mwd and nos instead of neuts. The mwd will take down your cap to where you start sucking. As an added bonus you can mwd as long as your target has cap making you a bit more safe, espicalially if hes tracking disrputed by someone with bonus to tracking disrputors... I do fly both Kitsune and Hyena. Kitsune is a nice ship agreed, but it can only mwd a little while else it caps out. Moving at base speed inside the ship at the top of the enemy gangs most wanted list often result in fatal beatings. Hyena would be nice, unless it was about half as fast as my vagabond :( With EAS 4 the web range is 18km, any reasonably competent vaga or nanoishtar pilot will be out of web range before the hyena gets lock, then proceed in outrunning the "frig".
SirDanceAlot Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.03.14 21:18:00 - [5] Originally by: Draahk Chimera Dont fly sentinel either, but try using mwd and nos instead of neuts. The mwd will take down your cap to where you start sucking. That doesnt work in practice.
Amira Shadowsong State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.14 21:20:00 - [6] Originally by: Draahk Chimera Pilgrim has the best tank of the force recons. It is an awesome ship in gang and the best recon for solo. Not a random statement, I fly them regurarily on my other acc. Trust me, as soon as you are forced to fight within 12km range, wich the pilgrim is, that tank mean ZERO, NADA, NOTHING.
Domania Convergent Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2008.03.14 22:03:00 - [7] Edited by: Domania on 14/03/2008 22:05:05 Quote: Sentinel cant even run 1 of its own EW mods without capping out, while other races can just keep full racks of it going inherently. One of the worst EAS out there and as usual caldari and minmatar got the greatest EW ships. I disagree, I find the sentinel to be one of the best EW ships out there. I highly doubt it is unable keep 1 tracking disruptor running. I've never used a TD on one yet. But it sure can keep a MWD running forever, while having the ability to cap out small ships and cruisers. :) So it's either your setup sucks big time, or you've never flown one before. The other ships you listed, I've never flown before.
5n4keyes Sacred Templars DeStInY.	Posted - 2008.03.14 23:55:00 - [8] Originally by: Amira Shadowsong Why didnt these ships get love? Why didnt pilgrim get fixed? Right now pilgrim is the worst recon for solo and for gangs. Absolution needs a 4th mid or it cant really kill anything unless he "has a friend". Sentinel cant even run 1 of its own EW mods without capping out, while other races can just keep full racks of it going inherently. One of the worst EAS out there and as usual caldari and minmatar got the greatest EW ships. /discuss. Ever flown a Falcon? I beleive they are the worst, i mean sure they can jam, but they are never going to win any awards for the time it takes to kill someone
Gordon Red SteelVipers YouWhat	Posted - 2008.03.15 00:38:00 - [9] Sentinel is fine, I have also no problem with MWD+TD... lowskiller?
Amira Shadowsong State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.15 05:20:00 - [10] Originally by: Gordon Red Sentinel is fine, I have also no problem with MWD+TD... lowskiller? How about you try to just use ONE neut (its bonused on the ship so it counts as a mod it should be able to use inherently) and with MWD off. Youll cap out pretty fast. It needs more cap or more bonus to neuts.
Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2008.03.15 09:27:00 - [11] My take. Pilgrim did get love by way of increased viability of tracking disruptors. It excels as a cloaked scout/covert cyno popper and with buffer+resists can make a tough regular cynoer. Thinking of it as a solo vessel is wrong unless you spend the time to pick your targets, in which case any of the recons will do just as well. Absolution is a difficult one. As much as I would love a fourth mid, a change like that would make it overpowered compared to the other commands or the slot would come from the lows eliminating the benefit. Get a designated tackler and gank the hell out of it, you'll be doing 600dps+ against pretty much all targets - better (but more expensive) than a BS which has tracking/signature res. issues against cruisers/frigs. Sentinel is my new favourite ship and a I know a lot of other people who have trained Amarr frig 5 to access it. It shares top-spot among EAS with the Kitsune - cap denial and three flights of drones while moving at near interceptor speed ... Matari EAS webbing has limited use due to lock range/relative speed and it quite frankly has pitiful damage. Gallente EAS dampening is again limited by lock range plus the fact that the utility of dampeners is not what it used to be. My evolving setup: 2x Small Neuts 1x Small NOS 1MN MicroWarpdrive II 2x Tracking Disruptors 1x Warp Disruptor Overdrive Injector System II 2x Capacitor Power Relay II 12x Small drones (I like 4 armour rep and 8 combat) Speed is > 3000m/s and it can run MWD+Point, 1xTracking+1xneut, point+2xtracking. If tackling is taken care of swap the point for a cap recharger for even more neuting or to increase speed Two nuets will kill the cap of pretty much all frigs since chances are they have used their MWD for one cycle or more. Friendly frigs will love you for the repairing in between skirmishes and few interceptors will survive against 4 drones with no cap.
Gordon Red SteelVipers YouWhat	Posted - 2008.03.15 10:26:00 - [12] Originally by: Amira Shadowsong Originally by: Gordon Red Sentinel is fine, I have also no problem with MWD+TD... lowskiller? How about you try to just use ONE neut (its bonused on the ship so it counts as a mod it should be able to use inherently) and with MWD off. Youll cap out pretty fast. It needs more cap or more bonus to neuts. I use one neut also btw. (try to bring some skills on 5 and micromanagement ftw) My setup is close to the setup from Hirana Yoshida (posting above).
ITTigerClawIK PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.03.15 17:40:00 - [13] i tryed out a Sentinal n the test server due to my currant wallet restrictions and i found the cap on the sentinal to be prefectly fine with 3 TD's working and an AB as well as a DCU running permumently and with a small repper working part time to.. only reasn the DCU and repper was on there was to test how far the cap could really stretch and dam was i impressed ^_^ im now thinking of getting into one real couse it performed so well so id take another look at the sentinal there Sig space reclaimed in the name of me -courtesy of Tiggy ([email protected])
Vorgx Universal Army INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.03.15 18:23:00 - [14] well sadly all caldari ships sucks for damage.... and now after this new boost we suck at tanking too lol
Lyria Skydancer Home 0f Bored Occultists	Posted - 2008.03.15 19:32:00 - [15] Originally by: Vorgx well sadly all caldari ships sucks for damage.... and now after this new boost we suck at tanking too lol I hear drakes still afk tank lvl 4s. -------------------------------------- [Video]Skirmish Warfare
Vorgx Universal Army INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.03.15 19:35:00 - [16] i am not talking about missions talking about pvp, different story
Shira Rayborn Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.03.16 18:47:00 - [17] Originally by: Vorgx i am not talking about missions talking about pvp, different story So you want even easier lvl 4 afk tanking in BCs or how are you gonna balance that?
1Evildude We Come In Peace	Posted - 2008.03.16 19:21:00 - [18] Originally by: Amira Shadowsong Why didnÆt these ships get love? Why didnÆt pilgrim get fixed? Right now pilgrim is the worst recon for solo and for gangs. Absolution needs a 4th mid or it canÆt really kill anything unless he "has a friend". Sentinel canÆt even run 1 of its own EW mods without capping out, while other races can just keep full racks of it going inherently. One of the worst EAS out there and as usual caldari and minmatar got the greatest EW ships. /discuss. No offence, but you're delusional if you think there are problems with Amarr. Abso: Decent tank, no ammo, great range, instantly switches crystals, good tracking against nano ships. Your problem is you want every ship a WTFPWN solo ship. Also, pilgrim can still do allot and actually isn't the worst recon, it's the Arazu at the moment. It's clear from your comments that you know nothing about the other races. * Of all the things I've lost, I miss my boot.ini file the most *
1Evildude We Come In Peace	Posted - 2008.03.16 19:24:00 - [19] Originally by: 5n4keyes Originally by: Amira Shadowsong Why didnt these ships get love? Why didnt pilgrim get fixed? Right now pilgrim is the worst recon for solo and for gangs. Absolution needs a 4th mid or it cant really kill anything unless he "has a friend". Sentinel cant even run 1 of its own EW mods without capping out, while other races can just keep full racks of it going inherently. One of the worst EAS out there and as usual caldari and minmatar got the greatest EW ships. /discuss. Ever flown a Falcon? I beleive they are the worst, i mean sure they can jam, but they are never going to win any awards for the time it takes to kill someone My alt is a Falcon pilot and out of the 4 recons, I'd say it's the best ship at it's "role" * Of all the things I've lost, I miss my boot.ini file the most *
Gypsio III Darkness Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.16 21:05:00 - [20] Originally by: Lyria Skydancer Originally by: Vorgx well sadly all caldari ships sucks for damage.... and now after this new boost we suck at tanking too lol I hear drakes still afk tank lvl 4s. I hear Drakes do over 600 DPS.
Cailais VITOC	Posted - 2008.03.16 22:13:00 - [21] Originally by: Hirana Yoshida My take. Pilgrim did get love by way of increased viability of tracking disruptors. It excels as a cloaked scout/covert cyno popper and with buffer+resists can make a tough regular cynoer. Thinking of it as a solo vessel is wrong unless you spend the time to pick your targets, in which case any of the recons will do just as well. Please feel free to explain how awesome the pilgrims tracking disruptors are if you're webbed - which you will be using medium neuts. Please also feel free to explain how the pilgrim excells over any other cov ops cloaking ship in game? Finally, can you explain why I would use a 'tough cynoer' like the pilgrim (price range 50 - 60mil) over say, a 2mil isk barge and an alt? Thx. C. Improved Low Sec Idea!!
Gliding 0utbreak	Posted - 2008.03.16 22:38:00 - [22] Edited by: Gliding on 16/03/2008 22:38:57 Why has every race except Gallente had a boost is sum way? They only ppl that know is CCP. Originally by: Pestachi0 CCP kicked my dog Signature created by me.
Ruah Piskonit PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris	Posted - 2008.03.17 02:11:00 - [23] The Absolution and Sentinel are fine. These two ships perform well. The Pilgrim however, does need some love. . . ----
Hortoken Wolfbrother Free Lapland The Kadeshi	Posted - 2008.03.17 02:26:00 - [24] Sentinel is great, absolution is ok, Pilgrim needs love. Pilgrim is just kinda ????? Its an expensive cyno ship.
Ferocious FeAr THE FINAL STAND	Posted - 2008.03.17 04:54:00 - [25] Edited by: Ferocious FeAr on 17/03/2008 04:54:57 Absolution is a great ship. Sentinel is a frigate, can't say much. Pilgrim is fine if you know how to fit it (recon 5 helps). Don't hate me, learn to love me
Jaketh Ivanes Do Or Die And Live Or Try The Kano Organisation	Posted - 2008.03.17 08:56:00 - [26] Only thing I want to comment, is the Pilgrim fix request. Pilgrim is fine. Compared with the curse, you get to chose your targets more easily. A Curse has to wait in ambush while the Pilgrim can hunt activly. Imagine you get the Nos7Neut bonus on the Pilgrim, why would you fly a Curse? Curse can't fit a Covert Ops cloak but can more safely use it's Nos/Neut. My guess is, that those that complain about the Pilgrim needing a boost are trying to fly it like a Curse. The fact that its the Curse's Nos/Neut range bonus those people want, is a pretty clear indication of the true problem.
DeadRow Naqam	Posted - 2008.03.17 10:06:00 - [27] Originally by: Ferocious FeAr Edited by: Ferocious FeAr on 17/03/2008 04:54:57 Absolution is a great ship. Sentinel is a frigate, can't say much. Pilgrim is fine if you know how to fit it (recon 5 helps). tbh pilgrim needs more CPU and/or PG, a ship that needs lvl5 ship skill to fit decently is broken, imo. Quote: Iz in ur base, implanting ur dudes
Arana Tellen The Blackguard Wolves Black Star Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.17 10:49:00 - [28] Originally by: DeadRow Originally by: Ferocious FeAr Edited by: Ferocious FeAr on 17/03/2008 04:54:57 Absolution is a great ship. Sentinel is a frigate, can't say much. Pilgrim is fine if you know how to fit it (recon 5 helps). tbh pilgrim needs more CPU and/or PG, a ship that needs lvl5 ship skill to fit decently is broken, imo. All ships are balanced assuming you have level V skills. --------------------------------- Oh noes! Originally by: CCP Greyscale moderated - mother abuse - Mitnal
Amira Shadowsong State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.17 12:29:00 - [29] Originally by: Jaketh Ivanes Imagine you get the Nos7Neut bonus on the Pilgrim, why would you fly a Curse? Every other races force recons get the range bonus and everyone IS PICKING THE CLOAKING ONE. Why shouldnt amarr have a equally good cloaking one?
Amira Shadowsong State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.17 12:30:00 - [30] Originally by: Cailais Originally by: Hirana Yoshida My take. Pilgrim did get love by way of increased viability of tracking disruptors. It excels as a cloaked scout/covert cyno popper and with buffer+resists can make a tough regular cynoer. Thinking of it as a solo vessel is wrong unless you spend the time to pick your targets, in which case any of the recons will do just as well. Please feel free to explain how awesome the pilgrims tracking disruptors are if you're webbed - which you will be using medium neuts. Please also feel free to explain how the pilgrim excells over any other cov ops cloaking ship in game? Finally, can you explain why I would use a 'tough cynoer' like the pilgrim (price range 50 - 60mil) over say, a 2mil isk barge and an alt? Thx. C. He cant explain it because hes making alot of stuff up. I can see his nose growing from here.

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