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Kyanzes Utopian Research I.E.L. Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2008.03.14 19:41:00 - [1] Edited by: Kyanzes on 14/03/2008 19:42:27 Link to article. Effects of the Orange Box? I mean it's a bad omen to take your assault rifle with you when you go for a stroll into the city. --------------------------------------------- GET TO THE CHOPPA!!! The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
Jim McGregor State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.14 19:52:00 - [2] Must have watched too much Rambo 4. --- Its dead, Jim.
Magnus Nordir Asimov Industries Zeroth Continuum	Posted - 2008.03.14 19:55:00 - [3] BAN GUNS! Oh, wait, this is Germany, guns are already banned. So how does this help the case of the gun control nuts? It doesn't, it just goes to prove that regular citizens should have easy, legal ways of obtaining firearms to protect themselves against the ***** nutcases like this one. Also, USA GTFO my Europe. *************************** Everything is possible for him who believes. Insprinc haptbandun - Inuar vigandun
Sosus Red Grave Diggers Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.14 20:01:00 - [4] there are loons everywhere. What does his being a US soldier have to do with anything???? But lets talk about soldiers for minute... How about....German Soldiers took people to large rooms where they were told they were doing to get a "shower"? Or Dutch Soldiers "protect" Safe havens in bosnia? or Russian soldiers starve ukranian people in the 1930's Point is, there are bad apples everywhere. He wasnt acting under official government orders, he was a crazy bastard, so his being a u.s. soldier has nothing to do with it wherea as the soldiers in the above examples, were being soldiers.
Magnus Nordir Asimov Industries Zeroth Continuum	Posted - 2008.03.14 20:13:00 - [5] Originally by: Sosus Red there are loons everywhere. What does his being a US soldier have to do with anything???? But lets talk about soldiers for minute... How about....German Soldiers took people to large rooms where they were told they were doing to get a "shower"? Or Dutch Soldiers "protect" Safe havens in bosnia? or Russian soldiers starve ukranian people in the 1930's I fail to see how events over a half a century old have ***** ANYTHING to do with an armed person who made a treat to an unarmed person, because oppressive laws prevented her from having a means of defending herself. *************************** Everything is possible for him who believes. Insprinc haptbandun - Inuar vigandun
Tarminic Forsaken Resistance The Last Stand	Posted - 2008.03.14 20:29:00 - [6] Originally by: Sosus Red How about....German Soldiers took people to large rooms where they were told they were doing to get a "shower"? Does this fall under Godwin's Law? I think it does. Fact is, some people are nuts. Psychological screenings don't always weed out these people, so occasionally they get into the military. I'm glad they stopped him before he could hurt anyone, because a crazy American soldier butchering a few German citizens would cause be a(nother) serious blow to American credibility to a lot of people. ---------------- Tarminic - 33 Million SP in Forum Warfare Play EVE: Downtime Madness v0.79.2
Sosus Red Grave Diggers Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.14 20:39:00 - [7] point was that by putting this on eve-o forums...with the title US Soldier... the OP was obviously trying to say something like "OMG look at the US soldiers" this craziness perpetuated by this guy happens everyday all over the world. If it wasnt a US soldier would it even be posted to the forum? I doubt it.
Imperator Jora'h Hedion University	Posted - 2008.03.14 20:42:00 - [8] Edited by: Imperator Jora''h on 14/03/2008 20:43:54 I do not see anything particularly interesting about the story except trying to make it something more inflammatory with OMG! US Soldier! Really...this is an old, old story that probably plays it self out several times a day somewhere in the world. Girl dumps guy, guy spazzes and threatens girl, police chase guy. The details may differ but the overarching story is the same and goes back ages. Nothing new. I am NOT saying it is ok for guys to do this...far from it. But about as newsworthy on an international scale as the weather in Katmandu is to me. EDIT: Damn...type too slow but good to see others of the same mind. -------------------------------------------------- "Of course," said my grandfather, pulling a gun from his belt as he stepped from the Time Machine, "there's no paradox if I shoot you!"
Kyanzes Utopian Research I.E.L. Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2008.03.14 21:20:00 - [9] Originally by: Sosus Red point was that by putting this on eve-o forums...with the title US Soldier... the OP was obviously trying to say something like "OMG look at the US soldiers" this craziness perpetuated by this guy happens everyday all over the world. If it wasnt a US soldier would it even be posted to the forum? I doubt it. What? You mean it should not have been posted because it was a US soldier? Try to convince me that US home patriots would not have posted it if it was a german soldier in the US. Please don't troll here. --------------------------------------------- GET TO THE CHOPPA!!! The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
Imperator Jora'h Hedion University	Posted - 2008.03.14 21:23:00 - [10] Originally by: Kyanzes Originally by: Sosus Red point was that by putting this on eve-o forums...with the title US Soldier... the OP was obviously trying to say something like "OMG look at the US soldiers" this craziness perpetuated by this guy happens everyday all over the world. If it wasnt a US soldier would it even be posted to the forum? I doubt it. What? You mean it should not have been posted because it was a US soldier? Try to convince me that US home patriots would not have posted it if it was a german soldier in the US. Please don't troll here. I wouldn't have if that is all there was to the story. Well...actually I would have since a German Soldier on American soil running around with an assault weapon would be surprising since there are no German military bases in the United States I am aware of but then of course THAT would be the interesting part of the story...not that he lost his **** over a girl. -------------------------------------------------- "Of course," said my grandfather, pulling a gun from his belt as he stepped from the Time Machine, "there's no paradox if I shoot you!"
Sosus Red Grave Diggers Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.14 21:32:00 - [11] Originally by: Kyanzes Originally by: Sosus Red point was that by putting this on eve-o forums...with the title US Soldier... the OP was obviously trying to say something like "OMG look at the US soldiers" this craziness perpetuated by this guy happens everyday all over the world. If it wasnt a US soldier would it even be posted to the forum? I doubt it. What? You mean it should not have been posted because it was a US soldier? Try to convince me that US home patriots would not have posted it if it was a german soldier in the US. Please don't troll here. the fact that there are US soldiers in germany is not news. this guy having a gun and getting killed by police is not news. People get killed daily by police, because criminals are everywhere. What exactly was your point of starting this thread? And what do you mean by "dont troll here"?
mentalmarsupial Blue. Blue Federation	Posted - 2008.03.14 21:33:00 - [12] Edited by: mentalmarsupial on 14/03/2008 21:36:36 Originally by: Magnus Nordir BAN GUNS! Oh, wait, this is Germany, guns are already banned. So how does this help the case of the gun control nuts? It doesn't, it just goes to prove that regular citizens should have easy, legal ways of obtaining firearms to protect themselves against the ******* nutcases like this one. Also, USA GTFO my Europe. lol I still find it funny when people actually believe that "an armed society is a safe society" crap. No matter how you spin it the facts point the other way. IMO if you want / need a gun and are competent then file for a licence but I dont think guns are needed for anything other than shoots / conservation etc... I mean if someone has a gun they will probably shoot first and all you can do is provide consequences not actual protection (alike concord). hey guess im just a country bumpkin
Kyanzes Utopian Research I.E.L. Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2008.03.14 21:42:00 - [13] Originally by: Sosus Red Originally by: Kyanzes Originally by: Sosus Red point was that by putting this on eve-o forums...with the title US Soldier... the OP was obviously trying to say something like "OMG look at the US soldiers" this craziness perpetuated by this guy happens everyday all over the world. If it wasnt a US soldier would it even be posted to the forum? I doubt it. What? You mean it should not have been posted because it was a US soldier? Try to convince me that US home patriots would not have posted it if it was a german soldier in the US. Please don't troll here. the fact that there are US soldiers in germany is not news. this guy having a gun and getting killed by police is not news. People get killed daily by police, because criminals are everywhere. What exactly was your point of starting this thread? And what do you mean by "dont troll here"? When I posted the thread about the F117 airplane being withdrawn from duty no one came forth warning me that I sholdn't do that. It's US stuff after all, not something that should concern me. If it was a French soldier I would have posted it as well. Don't care the nationality. "don't troll here" means that I find the way you try to interpret my posting of this thread some anti-US propaganda unintelligible. I never said that he was an "evil US soldier" or "damn american" or anything remotely like that. And no, it doesn't happen every day (ah, well, here in Europe at least) that a soldier grabs his assault gun and terrorizes people. No, doesn't happen that often. --------------------------------------------- GET TO THE CHOPPA!!! The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
Magnus Nordir Asimov Industries Zeroth Continuum	Posted - 2008.03.14 21:43:00 - [14] Originally by: mentalmarsupial lol I still find it funny when people actually believe that "an armed society is a safe society" crap. No matter how you spin it the facts point the other way. IMO if you want / need a gun and are competent then file for a licence but I dont think guns are needed for anything other than shoots / conservation etc... I mean if someone has a gun they will probably shoot first and all you can do is provide consequences not actual protection (alike concord). hey guess im just a country bumpkin In a society where people can't get guns legally, by definition, only criminals (and the potentially oppressive law enforcement) will have them, leaving the law-abiding citizens defenceless. How the ** can you claim such a society is safer than one in which everyone is armed? I say make a law that makes in mandatory to carry a firearm for everyone above the age of 16 and of sound mental health (with appropriate safety training included, naturally). *************************** Everything is possible for him who believes. Insprinc haptbandun - Inuar vigandun
Imperator Jora'h Hedion University	Posted - 2008.03.14 21:45:00 - [15] Originally by: Kyanzes When I posted the thread about the F117 airplane being withdrawn from duty no one came forth warning me that I sholdn't do that. It's US stuff after all, not something that should concern me. I don't think anyone thought of it as a US thing except peripherally. It was just a cool plane thing which (not surprisingly) most of us here dig. Could have been a story on a MiG getting pulled from service and we would like it (I would anyway). -------------------------------------------------- "Of course," said my grandfather, pulling a gun from his belt as he stepped from the Time Machine, "there's no paradox if I shoot you!"
Mark Lucius Kinetic Vector	Posted - 2008.03.14 21:49:00 - [16] Originally by: Sosus Red Or Dutch Soldiers "protect" Safe havens in bosnia? Wtf does this have to do with anything? Make sure to include 'being ordered to stand down by High Command' and 'being under strength and surrounded by a superior force' too next time. ---
mentalmarsupial Blue. Blue Federation	Posted - 2008.03.14 21:54:00 - [17] Originally by: Magnus Nordir Originally by: mentalmarsupial lol I still find it funny when people actually believe that "an armed society is a safe society" crap. No matter how you spin it the facts point the other way. IMO if you want / need a gun and are competent then file for a licence but I dont think guns are needed for anything other than shoots / conservation etc... I mean if someone has a gun they will probably shoot first and all you can do is provide consequences not actual protection (alike concord). hey guess im just a country bumpkin In a society where people can't get guns legally, by definition, only criminals (and the potentially oppressive law enforcement) will have them, leaving the law-abiding citizens defenceless. How the ** can you claim such a society is safer than one in which everyone is armed? I say make a law that makes in mandatory to carry a firearm for everyone above the age of 16 and of sound mental health (with appropriate safety training included, naturally). I fail to see why any country think that its should be ok for anyone*(outside of the military oc) to own a gun whos sole purpose is to shoot someone else. The point of restricting guns is that criminals dont* get hold of them and gun crime is far more common in countries with more lax gun rules. Also your idea of everyone over the age of 16 mandatory to carrying a gun I hope thats a joke, many people would not want to and would object, the fact that people could own a lethal weapon before being of an age at which they are considered mature enough to drive / drink etc.. I hope this is just flame bait or something but sadly I fear not :S
Magnus Nordir Asimov Industries Zeroth Continuum	Posted - 2008.03.14 22:13:00 - [18] Originally by: mentalmarsupial I fail to see why any country think that its should be ok for anyone(outside of the military oc) to own a gun whos sole purpose is to shoot someone else. The point of restricting guns is that criminals dont get hold of them and gun crime is far more common in countries with more lax gun rules. Also your idea of everyone over the age of 16 mandatory to carrying a gun I hope thats a joke, many people would not want to and would object, the fact that people could own a lethal weapon before being of an age at which they are considered mature enough to drive / drink etc.. I hope this is just flame bait or something but sadly I fear not :S People who need firearms for criminal acts will still get them, legal or not. Law abiding citizens, on the other hand, are left defenceless. If everyone was armed, at least you'd know what you're dealing with. I suspect people would be a lot less prone to commit burglary and rob stores if they knew everyone and their mother was carrying a gun, don't you think? Also, killing yourself with a gun is a lot easier and more painless than doing it with a knife/rope, if you're that way inclined. ***************************** Everything is possible for him who believes. Insprinc haptbandun - Inuar vigandun
Sephra Star The Galactic Collective	Posted - 2008.03.14 22:15:00 - [19] Edited by: Sephra Star on 14/03/2008 22:15:24 Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Sosus Red How about....German Soldiers took people to large rooms where they were told they were doing to get a "shower"? Does this fall under Godwin's Law? I think it does. Fact is, some people are nuts. Psychological screenings don't always weed out these people, so occasionally they get into the military. I'm glad they stopped him before he could hurt anyone, because a crazy American soldier butchering a few German citizens would cause be a(nother) serious blow to American credibility to a lot of people. U.S. Army is recruiting misfits, felons, racists, gang members to fill in the ranks. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2006/10/01/ING42LCIGK1.DTL Pentagon Reduced to Recruiting Neo-4th Reichers http://www.alternet.org/story/38680/
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2008.03.14 22:18:00 - [20] Originally by: Tarminic Fact is, some people are nuts. Psychological screenings don't always weed out these people, so occasionally they get into the military. You must have gotten something wrong... I thought that was the test that separates the "officers" from the "grunts", not the "military" from "non-military" 1\|2\|3\|4\|5.
mentalmarsupial Blue. Blue Federation	Posted - 2008.03.14 22:25:00 - [21] People who need firearms for criminal acts will still get them, legal or not. Law abiding citizens, on the other hand, are left defenceless. If everyone was armed, at least you'd know what you're dealing with. I suspect people would be a lot less prone to commit burglary and rob stores if they knew everyone and their mother was carrying a gun, don't you think? Also, killing yourself with a gun is a lot easier and more painless than doing it with a knife/rope, if you're that way inclined. I can see you point but some of your opinions are somewhat strange forceing people to carry guns doesnt seem a great idea. On the suicide note I dont think many people use a gun for that anyway unlike the films overdose is I would guess the favoured method (one of the reasons there is a high suicide rate amongst doctors stressfull life + regular exposure to death and availability and knowlage of said substances). You may think that people would be less inclided to rob stores if they knew everyone was packing heat, but it doesnt work like that in the real world, tbh you have to have to be in a fairly bad state of mind to even humour the thought you can get away with these crimes in the first place. From a crime aspect the UK has far less gun crime than say the US, and I think a better police force (not saying thiers is bad, but UK is pretty world renouned, esp forensics) these facts dont seem to put legalising firearms in a great light do they, that said you would be a fool to try and ban guns in countries that already have them as that would bring about what you mentioned before, its a slippery slope and from I should imagine very few countries have anything to gain from allowing open access to guns
Sosus Red Grave Diggers Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.14 22:27:00 - [22] I have a concealed fire arm permit and I've never shot anyone. I was however a victim of a violent crime. The fact is, the police can be everywhere all the time and cant protect everyone. The police are usually reactionary. imo they dont prevent anything, they just clean up the mess. people need to protect themselves. I think the unfortunate fact is that the US is a lot more violent place than western europe, just my opinion. We have gansters and idiots who think theyre gangsters, or just people who listen to to much hip hop, and some gang initiations require the idiots to commit crimes just to get into a gang. There is nothing wrong with wanting to protect yourself or your family, and your an idiot if you think you can depend on the police to protect you.
Possesive GALAXIAN RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.14 22:28:00 - [23] Originally by: Magnus Nordir Originally by: mentalmarsupial I fail to see why any country think that its should be ok for anyone(outside of the military oc) to own a gun whos sole purpose is to shoot someone else. The point of restricting guns is that criminals dont get hold of them and gun crime is far more common in countries with more lax gun rules. Also your idea of everyone over the age of 16 mandatory to carrying a gun I hope thats a joke, many people would not want to and would object, the fact that people could own a lethal weapon before being of an age at which they are considered mature enough to drive / drink etc.. I hope this is just flame bait or something but sadly I fear not :S People who need firearms for criminal acts will still get them, legal or not. Law abiding citizens, on the other hand, are left defenceless. If everyone was armed, at least you'd know what you're dealing with. I suspect people would be a lot less prone to commit burglary and rob stores if they knew everyone and their mother was carrying a gun, don't you think? Also, killing yourself with a gun is a lot easier and more painless than doing it with a knife/rope, if you're that way inclined. I seriously considered typing a reply as to why arming everyone is probably the most stupid idea I have ever heard, but having read through your other replies, any arguement no matter how well presented would be ignored. If anyone with power or influence actually agreed with what you thought, we would have guns, thats a world I would really rather not see. Guns dont bring peace, they bring a detante, nothing more.
Sosus Red Grave Diggers Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.14 22:31:00 - [24] Originally by: Sephra Star Edited by: Sephra Star on 14/03/2008 22:15:24 Originally by: Tarminic Originally by: Sosus Red How about....German Soldiers took people to large rooms where they were told they were doing to get a "shower"? Does this fall under Godwin's Law? I think it does. Fact is, some people are nuts. Psychological screenings don't always weed out these people, so occasionally they get into the military. I'm glad they stopped him before he could hurt anyone, because a crazy American soldier butchering a few German citizens would cause be a(nother) serious blow to American credibility to a lot of people. U.S. Army is recruiting misfits, felons, racists, gang members to fill in the ranks. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2006/10/01/ING42LCIGK1.DTL Pentagon Reduced to Recruiting Neo-4th Reichers http://www.alternet.org/story/38680/ well its either lower your standards or begin a draft... people with felonies are not allowed to serve and I do believe everyone does deserve a second chance. I was in the Military(no I've never commited a crime) and I know how strictly they control their people, but of course there are a few instances which unfortunate things will happen, but it is not and never will be the norm.
Sephra Star The Galactic Collective	Posted - 2008.03.14 22:41:00 - [25] Edited by: Sephra Star on 14/03/2008 22:45:50 Thats not lowering the standards. That dropping it completely. Hate Groups Are Infiltrating the Military, Group Asserts http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/07/washington/07recruit.html?th& "We've got Aryan Nations graffiti in Baghdad," the group quoted a Defense Department investigator as saying in a report to be posted today on its Web site, www.splcenter.org. "That's a problem." Do you realize when these people get discharged from the military they will be welcomed into the ranks of our police force at home? I served in the military too. It was not like this.
Sephra Star The Galactic Collective	Posted - 2008.03.14 22:54:00 - [26] I had a Norwegian Friend who worked as an Air Traffic Controller. He would commute back and forth to the Netherlands for his job. Anyway he was called by the government to fulfill a tour of duty in Iraq as an Air Traffic Controller. He was given the pay grade rank of a 1st Lieutenant. On his way to work one day he came across two of those civilian contractors (Blackwater?) who were torturing an Iraqi woman. They had ripped her clothes off and had her down on the ground and were urinating on her. He actually pulled out his pistol and pointed it at them to make them stop. Later that day he was called in by his superior and was demoted to a 2nd Lieutenants pay grade and ordered never to interfer with the civilian contrators for any reason again no matter what they were doing.
mentalmarsupial Blue. Blue Federation	Posted - 2008.03.14 22:58:00 - [27] Thanks Possesive, In reply to sosus red's comment I do have to agree with you and I have to say I dont think its wrong for you and others in you position to have a firearm, as you said the US probably is a more violent place than western europe and its only right you protect yourself, we too have idiots luckily very few of ours have guns. I can easily see why people in countries like the US maybe find it hard to understand why we would want to bear arms, because of the society you live in. I personally would much rather not feel the need to carry a gun and know that there probably isnt anyone carrying one in the whole town.
Imperator Jora'h Hedion University	Posted - 2008.03.14 23:25:00 - [28] Originally by: Sosus Red people with felonies are not allowed to serve and I do believe everyone does deserve a second chance. There is always the French Foreign Legion for those blokes (assuming the Legion is still about...not sure actually). -------------------------------------------------- "Of course," said my grandfather, pulling a gun from his belt as he stepped from the Time Machine, "there's no paradox if I shoot you!"
Araxmas An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three	Posted - 2008.03.14 23:31:00 - [29] Originally by: Magnus Nordir Originally by: mentalmarsupial I fail to see why any country think that its should be ok for anyone(outside of the military oc) to own a gun whos sole purpose is to shoot someone else. The point of restricting guns is that criminals dont get hold of them and gun crime is far more common in countries with more lax gun rules. Also your idea of everyone over the age of 16 mandatory to carrying a gun I hope thats a joke, many people would not want to and would object, the fact that people could own a lethal weapon before being of an age at which they are considered mature enough to drive / drink etc.. I hope this is just flame bait or something but sadly I fear not :S People who need firearms for criminal acts will still get them, legal or not. Law abiding citizens, on the other hand, are left defenceless. If everyone was armed, at least you'd know what you're dealing with. I suspect people would be a lot less prone to commit burglary and rob stores if they knew everyone and their mother was carrying a gun, don't you think? Also, killing yourself with a gun is a lot easier and more painless than doing it with a knife/rope, if you're that way inclined. Everyone armed is bad because than you have a weapon to use in anger. If I was allowed to have a gun on me I would seriously bet that I would of blown a few chav's heads off by now. Than again I don't know why i'm replying as your just trying to be a **** to get off on it so meh. -------- derek
Sosus Red Grave Diggers Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.14 23:38:00 - [30] Originally by: Sephra Star I had a Norwegian Friend who worked as an Air Traffic Controller. He would commute back and forth to the Netherlands for his job. Anyway he was called by the government to fulfill a tour of duty in Iraq as an Air Traffic Controller. He was given the pay grade rank of a 1st Lieutenant. On his way to work one day he came across two of those civilian contractors (Blackwater?) who were torturing an Iraqi woman. They had ripped her clothes off and had her down on the ground and were urinating on her. He actually pulled out his pistol and pointed it at them to make them stop. Later that day he was called in by his superior and was demoted to a 2nd Lieutenants pay grade and ordered never to interfer with the civilian contrators for any reason again no matter what they were doing. I think your friend is lying...his superior officer cant just demote him in a day, he would have had to go through an article 15 hearing which takes a bit longer than a day.

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