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Sosus Red Grave Diggers Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.14 20:57:00 - [1] I never bought into any of these conspiracy theories or anything. I thought all the people who supported Ron Paul for Presidents were nutjobs but I recently decided to check this stuff out for myself. I must admit some of this stuff makes sense. Ig you go to youtube and search "cfr" you'll find a lot of interesting vids about the council on foreign relations. Or just do a google search for "alex jones" he has a bunch of vids. Check out the Video on google video called "matrix of evil". Anyone know anything about this stuff? I am not a complete believer but I do have an open mind.
Kata Dakini An Eye For An Eye Rule of Three	Posted - 2008.03.14 21:06:00 - [2] Ron Paul is weird. So is Alex Jones. I'm a Libertarian, and I support neither. For more enjoyment and greater efficiency, consumption is being standardized.
Sephra Star The Galactic Collective	Posted - 2008.03.14 21:16:00 - [3] Edited by: Sephra Star on 14/03/2008 21:21:53 Originally by: Sosus Red I never bought into any of these conspiracy theories or anything. I thought all the people who supported Ron Paul for Presidents were nutjobs but I recently decided to check this stuff out for myself. I must admit some of this stuff makes sense. Ig you go to youtube and search "cfr" you'll find a lot of interesting vids about the council on foreign relations. Or just do a google search for "alex jones" he has a bunch of vids. Check out the Video on google video called "matrix of evil". Anyone know anything about this stuff? I am not a complete believer but I do have an open mind. I happen to know a very great deal about it, but the Mods prefer not to have us discuss it in the forums here. You can get away with a bit reference and a link here and there, but thats about it. If you try and have any serious discussions about such issues in the forum the thread gets closed. Bear that in mind. If you keep looking into it you will find it only gets worse than you could possibly have imagined. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-515319560256183936 http://american_almanac.tripod.com/contents.htm#media http://www.john-f-kennedy.net/executiveorder11110.htm On a lighter side of the note try this... GEORGE CARLIN: LIFE IS WORTH LOSING (HBO) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KVTfcAyYGg
Cmdr Sy Appetite 4 Destruction INTERDICTION	Posted - 2008.03.15 02:38:00 - [4] I have become acquainted with that subculture over many years using/modding forums. It is all tinfoil. Sometimes there are genuine individuals and grains of truth referenced, but only because they are co-opted into the narrative. Actually those people have no respect for real expertise. You tell them what's what in energy policy, read and summarise reports, chew real data, they repay you by connecting it to crop circles and owl worship. They talk about reading between the lines, but most actually cannot even when you hand them a paper (as if any of them bother doing their own primary research). Often they cannot even spot what is significant, even if their attention is drawn to it twice on its own line. It is like watching rats in a maze sometimes. Them and their red pills. Meh. For people claiming to be uncovering the greatest conspiracies of all time, their abilities sure leave me feeling underwhelmed. I have seen examples of blatant plagiarism, spiced up of course. I get the feeling that's where half their material comes from, appropriating others' attempts to educate. Pretty funny hearing your own words after they have been through that echo chamber. These days I snap off a sarky reply if I can be bothered. Usually not. Their ignorance pays my EVE subscription. Taxation without representation, ain't it a *****. EVE CCG Trinity Booster
Sephra Star The Galactic Collective	Posted - 2008.03.15 03:31:00 - [5] The biggest problem you will have discussing the issues in public are the people you run into like the poster above who really knows what is going on and has for a very long time and actually approves of it. They will deny any conspiracy exists and for many of them they are probably speaking truthfully from their point of view simply because to them it is not a conspiracy. It is just the way it has always been. That of course is true as what is going on today has been going on for many decades. Such people feel quite at home living in a fascist police state. In effect when you come into contact with these people they will call anyone who points out the hypocrisy of the false reality of freedom that is projected to the public as a tin foil loon. The truth is that television and mainstream media is nothing but a very well honed propaganda weapon that is the primary tool for conditioning the masses to accept what has been planned for many decades and that we now see emerging to a full fruition. The first President Bush announced to the world that it would begin in ten years on September 11, 1991. It did just that to the very day. These people do not fool arround. They are tyrants and mass murderers who regard populations of people as no better than cattle. The people who call the truthseekers tin foil conspiracy theorists conveniently ignore all the historical facts that proove beyond a shadow of a doubt how things work in the real world and refuse to admit openly that it is still being done today in the same manner. It is business as usual to them. These are same people who turn a blind eye to the intentional genocide of whole populations because to them it is an acceptable trade off to advance the global order. (NWO) Such people by default make up the bulk of the cadre of what is termed Cointelpro. They would be referred to as Torries in American Revolutionary terms. I prefer the term traitor.
F'nog Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2008.03.15 06:35:00 - [6] Ah, yes, the usual reply from any conspiracy buff: you're too stupid/ignorant/blind to understand what's really going on. I'm gonna go with: we're too intelligent and well-read to believe paranoid delusions. Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
The TX Earth Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.15 08:38:00 - [7] I know of an Aled Jones. And a Davy Jones. But not Alex Jones. ---------------------------- Ive noticed that 99.9% of people on these forums have a signature. If you are one of the 0.1% that does not have a sig, copy this into your sig, and display your defiance
Terail Zoqial State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.15 11:54:00 - [8] Wasn't he in that film with the snow man?
Terail Zoqial State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.15 11:57:00 - [9] Originally by: Sephra Star Edited by: Sephra Star on 14/03/2008 21:21:53 Originally by: Sosus Red I never bought into any of these conspiracy theories or anything. I thought all the people who supported Ron Paul for Presidents were nutjobs but I recently decided to check this stuff out for myself. I must admit some of this stuff makes sense. Ig you go to youtube and search "cfr" you'll find a lot of interesting vids about the council on foreign relations. Or just do a google search for "alex jones" he has a bunch of vids. Check out the Video on google video called "matrix of evil". Anyone know anything about this stuff? I am not a complete believer but I do have an open mind. I happen to know a very great deal about it, but the Mods prefer not to have us discuss it in the forums here. You can get away with a bit reference and a link here and there, but thats about it. If you try and have any serious discussions about such issues in the forum the thread gets closed. Bear that in mind. If you keep looking into it you will find it only gets worse than you could possibly have imagined. I'm lazy I'm lazy I'm lazy On a lighter side of the note try this... GEORGE CARLIN: LIFE IS WORTH LOSING (HBO) I'm lazy Fixed
Fenderson Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2008.03.15 12:11:00 - [10] alex jones is laughable. his strategy is basically to claim that he has rock-solid proof of all these different conspiracy theories, but if you actually look at the primary sources he references you will see no such evidence. case in point, his video on Bohemian Grove: clicky he has used this video many times to claim that he has solid evidence that major world leaders are involved in satan worship and human sacrifice. if you actually watch the video, it shows nothing of the sort. DO YOU PLAY POKER???? Join ingame channels "DOA Poker" and "Eve Online Hold'em"
7shining7one7 Quafe Paladins	Posted - 2008.03.15 12:43:00 - [11] Originally by: Fenderson alex jones is laughable. his strategy is basically to claim that he has rock-solid proof of all these different conspiracy theories, but if you actually look at the primary sources he references you will see no such evidence. case in point, his video on Bohemian Grove: clicky he has used this video many times to claim that he has solid evidence that major world leaders are involved in satan worship and human sacrifice. if you actually watch the video, it shows nothing of the sort. ok i'll comment on that specific one. u know what they're doing? they're sacrificing a human in EFFIGY (meaning it's not a human it's a pretend human) in a casket, they call it the cremation of care (to remove their cares while they are there and just relax). aside it being completely illegal for politicians and business men to socialize that. There is also the thing that there's a big owl statue symbolizing molech. (i'll let you look up molech himself). now the point is. first off it's illegal for them to meeet like that, it's closed off and guarded by security guards, secondly on the brochure, there's the bones of a small child. thirdly, most of them probably don't have any clue what they're doing with the whole occult ceremony (which is what it is). ask yourself, what is the difference, from going to church and eating the "blood of the lamb" in effigy to worship jesus, or instead sacrificing a human in effigy and calling it "care", and sacrificing it to worshipping molech? (eventhough eating the blood of the lamb is a misinterpretation of matthew because ur not supposed to eat the physical flesh, j said (according to scripture) that he gave his flesh to show us that we had immortal life and the church things they have to eat him, and furthermore you're not supposed to worship jesus the man ur supposed to "worship" all that is for all is one according to scripture). so i don't really see what it is you find laughable, maybe it's just because you don't understand it. anyways, just wanted to comment on that part.
Sephra Star The Galactic Collective	Posted - 2008.03.15 12:49:00 - [12] Edited by: Sephra Star on 15/03/2008 12:51:52 Originally by: Fenderson alex jones is laughable. his strategy is basically to claim that he has rock-solid proof of all these different conspiracy theories, but if you actually look at the primary sources he references you will see no such evidence. case in point, his video on Bohemian Grove: clicky he has used this video many times to claim that he has solid evidence that major world leaders are involved in satan worship and human sacrifice. if you actually watch the video, it shows nothing of the sort. I just watched that video you posted. Everything in it is true with the one possible exception that they actually worship the idol. However, the members of the Bohemian Grove have countered to explain away their fixation with that idol as it being part of their yearly party retreat. They really do hold what they say are "MOCK" worship services with "MOCK" human sacrifices. Can you blame Alex Jones for calling a duck that walks, talks, and looks like a duck; A DUCK? Add to Bohemian Grove the BOY's Town Child Sex Scandal that was exposed and then covered up with no investigation, or prosicution of the Washington Politicians that were paying for their pedaphilic perversity (and likely still are). It went all the way to the White House, but hey why should the Vatican have exclusive privilages to satisfy their lust; right?
7shining7one7 Quafe Paladins	Posted - 2008.03.15 12:52:00 - [13] Originally by: Sephra Star Originally by: Fenderson alex jones is laughable. his strategy is basically to claim that he has rock-solid proof of all these different conspiracy theories, but if you actually look at the primary sources he references you will see no such evidence. case in point, his video on Bohemian Grove: clicky he has used this video many times to claim that he has solid evidence that major world leaders are involved in satan worship and human sacrifice. if you actually watch the video, it shows nothing of the sort. I just watched that video you posted. Everything in it is true with the one possible exception that they actually worship the idol. However, the members of the Bohemian Grove have countered to explain away their fixation with that idol as it being part of their yearly party retreat. They really do hold what they say are "MOCK" worship services with "MOCK" human sacrifices. Can you blame Alex Jones for calling a duck that walks, talks, and looks like a duck; A DUCK? Add to Bohemian Grove the BOY's Town Child Sex Scandal that was exposed and then covered up with no investigation, or prosicution of the Washington Politicians that were paying for their pedaphilic perversity (and likely still are). It went all the way to the White House. read what i wrote above. btw. to ya'll, me and sephra are NOT the same person fyi.
Fenderson Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2008.03.15 12:54:00 - [14] Originally by: Sephra Star I just watched that video you posted. Everything in it is true with the one possible exception that they actually worship the idol. However, the members of the Bohemian Grove have countered to explain away their fixation with that idol as it being part of their yearly party retreat. They really do hold what they say are "MOCK" worship services with "MOCK" human sacrifices. Can you blame Alex Jones for calling a duck that walks, talks, and looks like a duck; A DUCK? Add to Bohemian Grove the BOY's Town Child Sex Scandal that was exposed and then covered up with no investigation, or prosicution of the Washington Politicians that were paying for their pedaphilic perversity (and likely still are). It went all the way to the White House, but hey why should the Vatican have exclusive privilages to satisfy their lust; right? can you provide primary references for any of this stuff? DO YOU PLAY POKER???? Join ingame channels "DOA Poker" and "Eve Online Hold'em"
Fenderson Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2008.03.15 12:59:00 - [15] Originally by: 7shining7one7 ok i'll comment on that specific one. u know what they're doing? they're sacrificing a human in EFFIGY (meaning it's not a human it's a pretend human) in a casket, they call it the cremation of care (to remove their cares while they are there and just relax, atleast that's what most of them think they're doing). aside it being completely illegal for politicians and business men to socialize like that. There is also the thing that there's a big owl statue symbolizing molech. i'll let you look up molech yourself, but i'll get you started, molech was a deity that was worshipped through the sacrifice of small children. scripture mentions it too: "Thou shalt not give of thy seed to cause to pass through the fire for Moloch." Leviticus 18:10 -> meaning don't sacrifice children through the fire (burning them) to molech. now the point is. first off it's illegal for them to meeet like that, it's closed off and guarded by security guards, secondly on the brochure, there's the bones of a small child. thirdly, most of them probably don't have any clue what they're doing with the whole occult ceremony (which is what it is). ask yourself, what is the difference, from going to church and eating the "blood of the lamb" in effigy to worship jesus, to instead sacrificing a human in effigy and calling it "care", and sacrificing it to worshipping molech (in front of a huge molech statue)? (eventhough eating the blood of the lamb is a misinterpretation of matthew because ur not supposed to eat the physical flesh, j said (according to scripture) that he gave his flesh to show us that we had immortal life and the church things they have to eat him to get immortal life (facepalm), and furthermore you're not supposed to worship jesus the man you're supposed to "worship" all that is as holy, for all is one according to scripture). so i don't really see what it is you find laughable, and if you don't find it a bit odd that u got politicians and business men running around in cloaks and hoods performing rituals like that, maybe it's just because you don't understand it. anyways, just wanted to comment on that part. im not sure i follow your argument here. you are saying that behemian grove is just like christianity and is therefore a conspiracy? anyway, the problem here is (as you mention) the secret meeting of politicians and businessmen. the fact that they engage in some kind of arcane ceremony is pretty much irrelevant, and focusing on that just dumbs down the conversation about the real problems. that is my basic objection to Alex Jones. Bohemian Grove is nothing more than another way that rich people and politicians get together and scratch eachother's backs. DO YOU PLAY POKER???? Join ingame channels "DOA Poker" and "Eve Online Hold'em"
7shining7one7 Quafe Paladins	Posted - 2008.03.15 13:02:00 - [16] Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 15/03/2008 13:04:20 Originally by: Fenderson im not sure i follow your argument here. you are saying that behemian grove is just like christianity and is therefore a conspiracy? anyway, the problem here is (as you mention) the secret meeting of politicians and businessmen. the fact that they engage in some kind of arcane ceremony is pretty much irrelevant, and focusing on that just dumbs down the conversation about the real problems. that is my basic objection to Alex Jones. Bohemian Grove is nothing more than another way that rich people and politicians get together and scratch eachother's backs. well the ceremony might be irellevant to you but read my post that i added to above you'll see what exactly the ceremony is about, then you'll see why it's mb not as casual as you think it is. no i'm not saying it's christianity, but i am saying it's worship of molech using the statue as an alter in the guise of it being "the cremation of care", and i'm saying look up molech/moloch. and yes politicians and businessmen meeting like that is illegal, and them wearing cloaks and hoods is too, not to mention the membership of those secret "gatherings" are often elected into positions of power if they are not allready in power when they attend the meetings.
Kirjava Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2008.03.15 13:02:00 - [17] Sometimes there are genuine conspiracies, but most of the time it's bull. Only one I can say I honestly think is a Conspiracy is the Christian religion as a method for the Romans to try and stop the Empire crumbling away too fast. It started as a method of control and..... kind of got out of hand when the Romans started taking it as the truth aswell. Just look at Jesus background, 3 days on a cross, ressurected and had a virgin mother. Also had 12 companions (disciples) and was born under a star with 3 kings. Compare and contrast with other sun gods and you have to wonder why they didn't try and spice it up to make it more original..... Haruhiists - Overloading Out of Pod discussions since 2007.
Sephra Star The Galactic Collective	Posted - 2008.03.15 13:06:00 - [18] I presume your talking about the Boy's Town Scandal. It made it into the Washington Post and was backed up with documented hard evidence. A documentary was made about it and was scheduled to air on the Discovery Channel, but it was pulled and never shown to the public. You can probably still find the video floating arround it has been years since I researched the evidence available, but its there if your interested. Should be anyway. It was the Reagan Era. You have to as interested as an investigative journalist if you want to find the truth. Do your own research. Then you will know.
7shining7one7 Quafe Paladins	Posted - 2008.03.15 13:07:00 - [19] Originally by: Kirjava Sometimes there are genuine conspiracies, but most of the time it's bull. Only one I can say I honestly think is a Conspiracy is the Christian religion as a method for the Romans to try and stop the Empire crumbling away too fast. It started as a method of control and..... kind of got out of hand when the Romans started taking it as the truth aswell. Just look at Jesus background, 3 days on a cross, ressurected and had a virgin mother. Also had 12 companions (disciples) and was born under a star with 3 kings. Compare and contrast with other sun gods and you have to wonder why they didn't try and spice it up to make it more original..... well partially true partially false, the bible is from egyptian creation myths, the sphinx is from 12000 years bc before a big cataclysm that happened, was originally a lion and had it's withered head reshaped by the pharao's of the 4th dynasty to resemble a pharao. moses indeed got a lot of his stuff from stumbling upon "various things" and yes the roman empires influence on christianity has had the worst effect ever on it and turned it into what we know today in order to control ppl with certain interpretations, some omissions and many alterations.
Sephra Star The Galactic Collective	Posted - 2008.03.15 13:10:00 - [20] As I recall our celebration of Christmas was actually a morphing of the Celebration of Saturn. A Roman God.
Fenderson Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2008.03.15 13:10:00 - [21] Originally by: 7shining7one7 Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 15/03/2008 13:04:20 Originally by: Fenderson im not sure i follow your argument here. you are saying that behemian grove is just like christianity and is therefore a conspiracy? anyway, the problem here is (as you mention) the secret meeting of politicians and businessmen. the fact that they engage in some kind of arcane ceremony is pretty much irrelevant, and focusing on that just dumbs down the conversation about the real problems. that is my basic objection to Alex Jones. Bohemian Grove is nothing more than another way that rich people and politicians get together and scratch eachother's backs. well the ceremony might be irellevant to you but read my post that i added to above you'll see what exactly the ceremony is about, then you'll see why it's mb not as casual as you think it is. no i'm not saying it's christianity, but i am saying it's worship of molech using the statue as an alter in the guise of it being "the cremation of care", and i'm saying look up molech/moloch. and yes politicians and businessmen meeting like that is illegal, and them wearing cloaks and hoods is too, not to mention the membership of those secret "gatherings" are often elected into positions of power if they are not allready in power when they attend the meetings. corruption and power-brokering are nothing new. i still fail to see the relevance of the ceremony and the robes and everything. anyway, whats so bad about sacrificing a effigy? you ever heard of burning man? thousands of people converge on the desrt every year and engage in a ceremony where they burn a 50 foot tall human effigy. are they a conspiracy too? DO YOU PLAY POKER???? Join ingame channels "DOA Poker" and "Eve Online Hold'em"
7shining7one7 Quafe Paladins	Posted - 2008.03.15 13:15:00 - [22] Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 15/03/2008 13:16:48 Originally by: Fenderson corruption and power-brokering are nothing new. i still fail to see the relevance of the ceremony and the robes and everything. anyway, whats so bad about sacrificing a effigy? you ever heard of burning man? thousands of people converge on the desrt every year and engage in a ceremony where they burn a 50 foot tall human effigy. are they a conspiracy too? i'm not saying conspiracy, i'm just saying they're worshipping a deity that is known to have been worshipped by sacrificing real children, and that they're doing that in effigy which means they condone it, which is not something you should just trivialize. and i'm saying you should be concerned about the "cream of the crop" of human society partaking in such things. since they're the ones who are "in charge" of our civilization currently, which says a lot about where they want us to be heading. and i'm asking you is that where you want to go?
Jim McGregor State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.15 13:23:00 - [23] www.abovetopsecret.com --- Its dead, Jim.
Fenderson Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2008.03.15 13:26:00 - [24] Originally by: 7shining7one7 i'm not saying conspiracy, i'm just saying they're worshipping a deity that is known to have been worshipped by sacrificing real children, and that they're doing that in effigy which means they condone it, which is not something you should just trivialize. and i'm saying you should be concerned about the "cream of the crop" of human society partaking in such things. since they're the ones who are "in charge" of our civilization currently, which says a lot about where they want us to be heading. and i'm asking you is that where you want to go? I have enough reason to be concerned about those people without thinking of them as some kind of devil worshipers. these are people who are obviously corrupt in many verifiable ways, and engaging in conjecture like this simply distracts people's attention from the truly important facts. you are talking about people like Ronald Reagan and Newt Gingrich, and the heads of such corporations as Bechtel, Chevron, and GE. These people are already evil enough without being "moloch worshipers" or w/e, and you are just making the discussion alot dumber with these claims. DO YOU PLAY POKER???? Join ingame channels "DOA Poker" and "Eve Online Hold'em"
7shining7one7 Quafe Paladins	Posted - 2008.03.15 13:29:00 - [25] Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 15/03/2008 13:39:43 Originally by: Fenderson I have enough reason to be concerned about those people without thinking of them as some kind of devil worshipers. these are people who are obviously corrupt in many verifiable ways, and engaging in conjecture like this simply distracts people's attention from the truly important facts. you are talking about people like Ronald Reagan and Newt Gingrich, and the heads of such corporations as Bechtel, Chevron, and GE. These people are already evil enough without being "moloch worshipers" or w/e, and you are just making the discussion alot dumber with these claims. well it's not theories or claims, when you something to back it up with. if anyone is dumbing it down it's them for performing such ceremonies. i'm just telling you what it is they're doing. don't blame me for their actions. edit: oh you mean the serpent race that is mentioned in the bible and many other ancient texts, that talked to ancient humans gave them knowledge technology they weren't ready for so we screwed eachother up and had to have our lifespan reduced so that we would accumulate technology and wisdom more in tandem so we would actually be wise enough to use knowledge and technology for freedom and peace instead of cataclysmic destruction (symbolically called cut off from the tree of life (no more immortal physical lifespan, and partially cut off from the fullness of the tree of knowledge till we were ready for it)? unless you think snakes that crawl on the ground can talk offcourse. nah david icke isn't all right lol, let me explain what you did.. you researched it, came to david icke, saw that he was somewhat off his rocker with some of the stuff and then proclaimed it all bs.. not exactly logic worthy of sherlock holmes bro, things are not just mutually exclusive or black & white, there are many "grey areas", research egyptian culture instead, and backtrack from there. if you want to know about the present, then understand the past.
Fenderson Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2008.03.15 13:43:00 - [26] Originally by: 7shining7one7 well it's not theories or claims, when you something to back it up with. if anyone is dumbing it down it's them for performing such ceremonies. i'm just telling you what it is they're doing. don't blame me for their actions. edit: oh you mean the serpent race that is mentioned in the bible and many other ancient texts, that talked to ancient humans gave them knowledge technology they weren't ready for so we screwed eachother up and had to have our lifespan reduced so that we would accumulate technology and wisdom more in tandem so we would actually be wise enough to use knowledge and technology for freedom and peace instead of cataclysmic destruction (symbolically called cut off from the tree of life (no more immortal physical lifespan, and partially cut off from the fullness of the tree of knowledge till we were ready for it)? unless you think snakes that crawl on the ground can talk offcourse. nah david icke isn't all right lol, let me explain what you did.. you researched it, came to david icke, saw that he was somewhat off his rocker with some of the stuff and then proclaimed it all bs.. not exactly logic worthy of sherlock holmes bro, research egyptian culture instead, and backtrack from there. if you want to know about the present, then understand the past. believe me, i got well in to alex jones and all the rest, and yes i know that david icke is not widely accepted among the conspiracy community. these people engage in way too much conjecture and tend to ignore the things that we can really verify. it saddens me, as it is totaly counter-productive to the goal of getting rid of all the corruption and power brokering that actually does go on. and the bible is just a bunch of myths, just like any other set of mythology. the fact that other cultures were telling similar stories before the bible came along does not prove they have even a grain of literal truth in them, and it certainly doesnt have anything to do with all this NWO nonsense. DO YOU PLAY POKER???? Join ingame channels "DOA Poker" and "Eve Online Hold'em"
7shining7one7 Quafe Paladins	Posted - 2008.03.15 13:53:00 - [27] Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 15/03/2008 13:57:28 Originally by: Fenderson believe me, i got well in to alex jones and all the rest, and yes i know that david icke is not widely accepted among the conspiracy community. these people engage in way too much conjecture and tend to ignore the things that we can really verify. it saddens me, as it is totaly counter-productive to the goal of getting rid of all the corruption and power brokering that actually does go on. and the bible is just a bunch of myths, just like any other set of mythology. the fact that other cultures were telling similar stories before the bible came along does not prove they have even a grain of literal truth in them, and it certainly doesnt have anything to do with all this NWO nonsense. well it is myth and other cultures were indeed telling similar stories thousand upon thousands of years before, which is really the "nail" you should be "hammering on hard". and taking it from there. it's not all rubbish, but there's lies mixed with truth in it. if you start finding out where exactly the stuff in the bible comes from, you'll see it's not all rubbish yet some of it is, and that there's truth to it but not all of it, and you'll start seeing the bible for what it is, a put together doctrine trying to explain the ancient tales of the vast and buried(yet to be found)/distant past of humanity (that was immensely more advanced than us but had a cataclysmic event happen to them). which caused civilization to be "rebooted" and some ppl found some of these buried "messages from the past" and tried to sorta patch it together with the parts the understood of it, and make it into a somewhat coherent guideline for the future evolution of our civilization, since we were pretty much back to square one after the cataclysm thousands of years "bc", why do you think nobody even knew jesus existed, cause the tales of the avatar was from a different age, far far older than 2000 years ago. i just say jesus for simplification, you gotta talk to ppl in the language they understand till ppl are ready to take it to another level. in that context you'll start to begin to put things together and not take everything literally, and looking between the lines.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.15 13:58:00 - [28] Originally by: 7shining7one7 read what i wrote above. btw. to ya'll, me and sephra are NOT the same person fyi. Ah, you're all Jim alts really ------ Originally by: Dark Shikari The problem with killing Jesus is he always just respawns 3 days later anyways.
7shining7one7 Quafe Paladins	Posted - 2008.03.15 14:01:00 - [29] Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: 7shining7one7 read what i wrote above. btw. to ya'll, me and sephra are NOT the same person fyi. Ah, you're all Jim alts really lol patch
Fenderson Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2008.03.15 14:03:00 - [30] Originally by: 7shining7one7 well it is myth and other cultures were indeed telling similar stories thousand upon thousands of years before, which is really the "nail" you should be "hammering on hard". and taking it from there. it's not all rubbish, but there's lies mixed with truth in it. if you start finding out where exactly the stuff in the bible comes from, you'll see it's not all rubbish yet some of it is, and that there's truth to it but not all of it, and you'll start seeing the bible for what it is, a put together doctrine trying to explain the ancient tales of the vast and buried(yet to be found)/distant past of humanity (that was immensely more advanced than us but had a cataclysmic event happen to them). which caused civilization to be "rebooted" and some ppl found some of these buried "messages from the past" and tried to sorta patch it together with the parts the understood of it, and make it into a somewhat coherent guideline for the future evolution of our civilization, since we were pretty much back to square one after the cataclysm thousands of years "bc", why do you think nobody even knew jesus existed, cause the tales of the avatar was from a different age, far far older than 2000 years ago. i just say jesus for simplification, you gotta talk to ppl in the language they understand till ppl are ready to take it to another level. in that context you'll start to begin to put things together and not take everything literally, and looking between the lines. if you have anything that actually proves this stuff, please post a link or book title or something. i have done quite a bit of research myself and never seen anything that i could reasonably call proof that there was an advanced civilization before us. please please please show me your sources. and btw, just showing similar themes in the myths of various cultures is not proof. DO YOU PLAY POKER???? Join ingame channels "DOA Poker" and "Eve Online Hold'em"
7shining7one7 Quafe Paladins	Posted - 2008.03.15 14:06:00 - [31] Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 15/03/2008 14:16:45 Originally by: Fenderson if you have anything that actually proves this stuff, please post a link or book title or something. i have done quite a bit of research myself and never seen anything that i could reasonably call proof that there was an advanced civilization before us. please please please show me your sources. and btw, just showing similar themes in the myths of various cultures is not proof. i'll start you off nice and gently with the discovery channel part 2 part 3 part 4 pay close attention to the parts about the sphinx and water errosion.
Sephra Star The Galactic Collective	Posted - 2008.03.15 14:20:00 - [32] Cool; watching now...
Sephra Star The Galactic Collective	Posted - 2008.03.15 14:46:00 - [33] THE BANKER'S MANIFEST Capital must protect itself in every way, through combination and through legislation. Debts must be collected and loans and mortgages foreclosed as soon as possible. When through a process of law the common people lost their homes, they will be more tractable and more easily governed by the strong arm of the law, applied by the central power of wealth, under control of leading financiers. People without homes will not quarrel with their leaders. This is well known among our principal men now engaged in forming an imperialism of capital to govern the world. By dividing the people we can get them to expend their energies in fighting over questions of no importance to us except as teachers of the common herd. Thus, by discreeut action we can secure for ourselves what has been generally planned and successfully accomplished. ---------------------- The above extract was printed from the Banker's Manifest, for private circulation among leading bankers only. "Civil Servants' Year Book (The Organizer)" Jan 1934 & "New American" Feb 1934 Congressman Ron Paul: Conspiracy to Create One-World Government by World Bankers is Real Eric Rainbolt - audience member asking question of Congressman Paul at event near Austin, Texas on August 30th, 2003: "Congressman Paul, I have a question..." Moderator: "Over here." (pointing to Eric Rainbolt.) Eric Rainbolt: "Great! If we can take a look at the big picture, could you tell us, the people in this room, any information that you may have of an international and deceptive conspiracy to overthrow the American Republic and its Constitution & Bill Of Rights in order to set up and usher in a totalitarian World Government likely espoused under the UN also.."? Congressman Paul: " He asked if there was an international conspiracy to overthrow our government. The answer is "Yes". I think there are 25,000 individuals that have used offices of powers, and they are in our Universities and they are in our Congresses, and they believe in One World Government. And if you believe in One World Goverment, then you are talking about undermining National Sovereignty and you are talking about setting up something that you could well call a Dictatorship - and those plans are there!..." Parents, take a moment to remind your kids that the United States Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit recently ruled that the government is not required to keep any of the promises the recruiters make to get them to sign up. Democrats and Republicans are not liberals or conservatives, they are Council-on-Foreign-Relations-controlled globalists working for the same agenda!
Sephra Star The Galactic Collective	Posted - 2008.03.15 15:15:00 - [34] Originally by: 7shining7one7 Edited by: 7shining7one7 on 15/03/2008 14:16:45 Originally by: Fenderson i'll start you off nice and gently with the discovery channel part 2 part 3 part 4 pay close attention to the parts about the sphinx and water errosion. "In June 1990, Egyptologist John West accompanied geologist Robert Schoch to Cairo, to take a closer look at the Sphinx. For almost two decades, West had been arguing that the erosion of the Sphinx revealed that it had been weathered by rain rather than windblown sand. If that was true, then the Sphinx had to be thousands of years older than Egyptologists believe - after all, Egypt has had no rain in thousands of years. They concluded that the Sphinx dates back to 7000 BC - a time when in fact there was not supposed to be any civilization anywhere in the world - and has been built by the survivors of the vanished civilization which Plato called Atlantis. Rand Flem-Ath and Colin Wilson's book crosses continents, arguing that this earlier civilization did exist but was destroyed around 9600 BC."
Fenderson Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2008.03.15 16:29:00 - [35] there is some evidence that the sphinx is older than some claim. this does not prove the existence of an advanced civilization, or even a civilization. the sphinx could have been carved using the same technology that we ascribe to pre-civilization stone age people. DO YOU PLAY POKER???? Join ingame channels "DOA Poker" and "Eve Online Hold'em"
Fenderson Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2008.03.15 16:31:00 - [36] Originally by: Sephra Star Edited by: Sephra Star on 15/03/2008 15:45:01 THE BANKER'S MANIFEST Congressman Ron Paul: Conspiracy to Create One-World Government by World Bankers is Real so because Ron Paul said it, it must be true? DO YOU PLAY POKER???? Join ingame channels "DOA Poker" and "Eve Online Hold'em"
Sephra Star The Galactic Collective	Posted - 2008.03.15 16:36:00 - [37] Originally by: Fenderson there is some evidence that the sphinx is older than some claim. this does not prove the existence of an advanced civilization, or even a civilization. the sphinx could have been carved using the same technology that we ascribe to pre-civilization stone age people. When I was very young one of my greatest teachers was Socrates and his teacher was Plato. Too bad the Library in Alexandria was destroyed.
Sephra Star The Galactic Collective	Posted - 2008.03.15 16:38:00 - [38] Originally by: Fenderson Originally by: Sephra Star Edited by: Sephra Star on 15/03/2008 15:45:01 THE BANKER'S MANIFEST Congressman Ron Paul: Conspiracy to Create One-World Government by World Bankers is Real He is certainly an indication of the trend of acceptence by mainstream of the truth that any intelligent person could verify if they would only approach the subject like an investigative journalist. so because Ron Paul said it, it must be true?
Fenderson Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2008.03.15 17:38:00 - [39] Originally by: Sephra Star Edited by: Sephra Star on 15/03/2008 17:31:59 Originally by: Fenderson Originally by: Sephra Star Edited by: Sephra Star on 15/03/2008 15:45:01 THE BANKER'S MANIFEST Congressman Ron Paul: Conspiracy to Create One-World Government by World Bankers is Real so because Ron Paul said it, it must be true? He is certainly an indication of the trend of acceptence by what will be an ever increasing majority of the mainstream regarding the truth that any intelligent person with an open mind can easily verify if they would only approach the subject like an investigative journalist. the fact that your argument relies on a weak appeal to authority/appeal to the masses speaks for itself. DO YOU PLAY POKER???? Join ingame channels "DOA Poker" and "Eve Online Hold'em"
Sephra Star The Galactic Collective	Posted - 2008.03.15 17:40:00 - [40] Edited by: Sephra Star on 15/03/2008 17:41:01 Kurt Vonnegut's "Stardust Memory" On a cold, cloudy night, the lines threaded all the way around the Ohio State campus. News that Kurt Vonnegut was speaking at the Ohio Union prompted these ôapatheticö heartland college students to start lining up in the early afternoon. About 2,000 got in to the Ohio Union. At least that many more were turned away. http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0305-27.htm
Lord BlackSter The Syndicate Inc	Posted - 2008.03.15 18:24:00 - [41] Guys, even if you know the truth, you ll NEVER change anything. You cant destroy a system you havent established yourself. Instead learn how to exploit the system
Jim McGregor State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.15 18:30:00 - [42] Originally by: 7shining7one7 Originally by: Patch86 Originally by: 7shining7one7 read what i wrote above. btw. to ya'll, me and sephra are NOT the same person fyi. Ah, you're all Jim alts really lol patch I was thinking when I posted earlier in the thread if I would make that joke myself but decided I would leave it for someone else... --- Its dead, Jim.
Orgos Khenn Republic University	Posted - 2008.03.16 00:40:00 - [43] You're all wrong. The world is run by shape-changing Reptiliants. ---- One day...one day General will be worth reading.
Fenderson Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2008.03.16 00:54:00 - [44] Originally by: Orgos Khenn You're all wrong. The world is run by shape-changing Reptiliants. read up... we've alredy covered that DO YOU PLAY POKER???? Join ingame channels "DOA Poker" and "Eve Online Hold'em"
Sephra Star The Galactic Collective	Posted - 2008.03.16 18:48:00 - [45] Alex Jones - They Are Going To Kill You BELIEVE IT; cause it is planned... Not sure about the time frame, but it could be as he says. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEy6kI8OGbg
Sephra Star The Galactic Collective	Posted - 2008.03.16 23:59:00 - [46] Edited by: Sephra Star on 17/03/2008 00:00:20 Try and understand that part of the brainwashing and conditioning process is to show you what they are going to do in the form of science fiction shows. That way your powers of intellect become confused and you are then unable to distinguish reality from fantasy. It has the effect of reenforcing the idea that "this will never happen". You say to yourself "Thats just too fantastic to believe". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feELmdZUrTs
Multras D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.17 00:56:00 - [47] Originally by: Sephra Star Edited by: Sephra Star on 17/03/2008 00:00:20 Try and understand that part of the brainwashing and conditioning process is to show you what they are going to do in the form of science fiction shows. That way your powers of intellect become confused and you are then unable to distinguish reality from fantasy. It has the effect of reenforcing the idea that "this will never happen". You say to yourself "Thats just too fantastic to believe". http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=feELmdZUrTs Man ive been hoping **** like that would happen for the past 8 or so years, sorta foils the evil illuminates plans. Who wants to join me in New Reno? Thanks to EVE Art Store for the sig.
Sosus Red Grave Diggers Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.17 06:01:00 - [48] If all this stuff were true...what can be done? I dont think there is anything that can be done. What will happen, will happen. We cant stop it, short of an armed revolt. But as long as people have their comforts, their tv, their whatever makes them happy, as long as they have that they really wont know what is going on until its too late. If even 20% of all this crap is true...then were all *****
Sephra Star The Galactic Collective	Posted - 2008.03.17 10:14:00 - [49] 9/11: Total Proof That Bombs Were Planted In The Buildings! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8n-nT-luFIw&feature=related
Sephra Star The Galactic Collective	Posted - 2008.03.17 10:58:00 - [50] 9/11 Flight 93 Rare Footage leaves no doubt the plane was shot down. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZekosYOmXc&mode=related&search= Why you might ask? Because the passengers had wrested control of the plane away from the dupe hijackers and the last thing that could be allowed to happen was for that plane to land with anyone left alive.
Sephra Star The Galactic Collective	Posted - 2008.03.17 11:14:00 - [51] The Order of Death (Alex Jones) http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2500924140588760933
ry ry StateCorp Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.17 11:31:00 - [52] Edited by: ry ry on 17/03/2008 11:31:30 these are DIRECT quotes taken from RELIABLE sources which you can FIND if you SEARCH. Originally by: "rush limbaugh" i'm in a secret society of satan worshippers Originally by: "ronald regan (speaking before the king of spain in 1517)" i am a sentient cyborg killing machine sent back in time by the Skynet AI. Originally by: "david icke" i'm completely ***** bat** mental. oh! and the british royal family are lizards. IF YOU DO NOT AGREE YOU DO NOT SEE THE TRUTHS THAT I DISCOVERED ON MY LONG SEARCH. ALL OF THESE TRUTHS WERE PUBLICHED IN THE NEWYORK TIMES IN 1994 AND THERE IS PROOF ON THE INTERNET. PRIMARILLY ON YOUTUBE.
Lerinda Rasa Wayward Brewing	Posted - 2008.03.17 11:57:00 - [53] Edited by: Lerinda Rasa on 17/03/2008 11:59:12 Edited by: Lerinda Rasa on 17/03/2008 11:58:02 I love how Sephra Star posts Youtube videos as he discovers them through the related window. Quote: Edited by: Sephra Star on 16/03/2008 15:46:08 Originally by: Kirjava As much as I dislike Bush, he and his grandfather are different people so can attribute no blame George Bush second. Hell if I did then what would I be letting myself in for [/Kirjava] [Sephra Star] Birds of a feather flock together. Is it any surprise the current President Bush has turned America into an Overtly Fascist Police State and is using our armed forces to aggressively and beligerently invade other countries using the same forms of propaganda as Germany used in WW-2. The truth is it is not this President Bush doing it. He is after all just a puppet representing the agenda of the Fascist Globalist New World Order. The 4th Reich is alive and well. He's basically made of tinfoil and fail.EVE search his name watch him come all over any conspiracy theory he can find.
ry ry StateCorp Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.17 11:59:00 - [54] and salvage drone operation skillbooks, apparently. although why he didn't start a gallente alt and do the tutorial like the rest of us i have no idea. perhaps to avoid being detected by the shadowy forces that monitor Eve online for free thinkers and dangerous radicals who may shatter the government's illusion?!
ry ry StateCorp Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.17 12:06:00 - [55] Hmm. the pieces are falling into place. CCP removed the salvage drone skillbooks without re-imbursing those of us who spent quite literally minutes obtaining them in order to silence outspoken critics of the the protocols of the satanist babylonion order of ziontology who were threatening to reveal the truth on the internet.
Sephra Star The Galactic Collective	Posted - 2008.03.17 13:03:00 - [56] Edited by: Sephra Star on 17/03/2008 13:06:01 Kinda silly responses. The post I made about salvage drones was what I came across some time ago in another thread when someone asked. I offered the best information I had on it. in response to someone asking for that information. Excuse me for trying to be helpful. If you know of a different explanation for the salvage drones skill book please enlighten us. As far as my posts in this thread go; I am not the OP for one; and second nothing I have added in this thread is conspiratorial. Everything I posted is fact based, or speaks for itself for the most part with the possible exception of a comment, or two. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. If you assume I am suggesting something by the nature of the information in any of my links I can only conclude that you think it is pretty obvious as to what the information in that link implies which is likely closer to the truth than the official explanation. In any event it appears that some people have a problem dealing with others choosing to interpret controversial information for themselves and prefer to attack the messenger instead of the message. Perhaps that is because they would likely make themselves look like a fool if they tried to argue with the facts.
Sephra Star The Galactic Collective	Posted - 2008.03.17 13:33:00 - [57] Edited by: Sephra Star on 17/03/2008 13:34:51 Bohemian Grove Human Sacrifice Cartoon It appears the Cult wants to begin desensatising young minds to their existence now that they have been exposed. http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Bohemian+Grove+Human+Sarifice+Cartoon
Kyanzes Utopian Research I.E.L. Hedonistic Imperative	Posted - 2008.03.17 13:50:00 - [58] Edited by: Kyanzes on 17/03/2008 13:56:28 It's all but consipracy, honest. I'm serious. It's all in your mind. It's just a bad day. It'll pass. --------------------------------------------- GET TO THE CHOPPA!!! The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.
Sephra Star The Galactic Collective	Posted - 2008.03.17 14:09:00 - [59] Edited by: Sephra Star on 17/03/2008 14:16:02 Usama's War on American Wealth Usama bin Laden plans strategies based on his victory over the Soviets in Afghanistan during the 1980s. The way to bring down a superpower, he has learned, is to weaken its economy through protracted guerilla warfare. We "bled Russia for ten years until it went bankrupt and was forced to withdraw in defeat," bin Laden boasted in his October 2004 videotape. Three methods comprise al Qaeda's economic war against the U.S. 1)The first is the destruction of high-cost qualitative targets by low-cost qualitative means. ie $500,000 to bring down the World Trade Center costing America 5 billion. 2)Forcing the U.S. to sink unsustainable amounts of funding into its defense agencies. 3)Oil - The killing of American soldiers is nothing compared to the impact of the rise in oil prices on America and the disruption that it causes in the international economy.
ry ry StateCorp Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.17 14:38:00 - [60] Originally by: Sephra Star P.S. I saw your post before you edited it Ry Ry. i think we can all see that it was edited by Rush Limbaugh, in order to prevent his secrets being exposed. the people's former satanic republic of ziontology will stop at nothing!
Sephra Star The Galactic Collective	Posted - 2008.03.17 15:11:00 - [61] Edited by: Sephra Star on 17/03/2008 15:12:33 Originally by: ry ry i think we can all see that it was edited by Rush Limbaugh, in order to prevent his secrets being exposed. Nah. It was David Icke.
ry ry StateCorp Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.17 15:24:00 - [62] David Icke is actually Rush Limbaugh? you could be onto something there. Now if only i could figure out what on earth giant lizards have to do with anything...
Sephra Star The Galactic Collective	Posted - 2008.03.17 15:34:00 - [63] Originally by: ry ry David Icke is actually Rush Limbaugh? you could be onto something there. Now if only i could figure out what on earth giant lizards have to do with anything... In a paper published in 1982, paleontologist Dale Russell, curator of vertebrate fossils at the National Museum of Canada in Ottawa, conjectured that, had the Chicxulub meteorite not exterminated the dinosaurs 65 million years ago, bipedal predators (theropods) which existed at that time, such as Troodon, would have evolved into intelligent beings similar in body plan to humans. Troodontids had semi-manipulative fingers, able to grasp and hold objects to a certain degree, and binocular vision. Like most dinosaurs of the troodontid family, this imaginary creature, which Russell called the "Dinosauroid", would have had large eyes and three fingers on each hand, one of which would have been partially opposed. As with most modern reptiles (and birds), its genitalia would likely have been internal. Russell speculated that it would have required a navel, as a placenta aids the development of a large brain case, however it would not have possessed mammary glands, and would have fed its young, as birds do, on regurgitated food. Its language would have sounded somewhat like bird song.
Lerinda Rasa Wayward Brewing	Posted - 2008.03.17 15:46:00 - [64] Edited by: Lerinda Rasa on 17/03/2008 15:53:19 Oh for god's sake. If you are going to copy and paste inoformation from the WIKIPEDIA project at least say so. I'll quote the rest of the "relevant" part of the paragraph for you. Quote: Russell's fanciful speculation has been met with criticism from other paleontologists since the 1980s, many of whom point out that Russell's Dinosauroid is overly anthropomorphic. Gregory S. Paul (1988) and Thomas R. Holtz Jr., consider it "suspiciously human" (Paul, 1988) and argue that a large-brained, highly intelligent troodontid would retain a more standard theropod body plan, with a horizontal posture and long tail, and would probably manipulate objects with the snout and feet in the manner of a bird, rather than with human-like "hands". Darren Naish (2006) pointed to the ground hornbill as a better model for an intelligent dinosaur.[4][5] Source for this piece of literature, surely placed to win the next pulitzer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reptilian_humanoid EDIT: Adding the part about EVE at least makes it almost funny. Good job Sephra.
ry ry StateCorp Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.17 16:24:00 - [65] i'm calling Sephra Star out as a brilliantly played troll. actually, i'm fink 7shining7one7 is a troll too since he's effortlessly shifted from christian apologist to conspiracy theorist. natrually i'd expect you both to deny it to stay in character, but good work guys. well played.
Sephra Star The Galactic Collective	Posted - 2008.03.17 16:45:00 - [66] Edited by: Sephra Star on 17/03/2008 16:45:04 The search for truth begins with the doubt of all "Truths" which one has previously believed. -Frederich Nietzsche
Lerinda Rasa Wayward Brewing	Posted - 2008.03.17 17:34:00 - [67] Keep going, this is hilarious/fascinating depending on which side of the fence you're picking apples on.
Sephra Star The Galactic Collective	Posted - 2008.03.17 18:25:00 - [68] Edited by: Sephra Star on 17/03/2008 18:35:10 Ask yourself... Why was the man in this linked video not delivered to the Hague Court? http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1353274199652195562 Interestingly Mullah Omar offered to deliver Usama to the Hague Court before the invasion of Afghanistan.
Sephra Star The Galactic Collective	Posted - 2008.03.17 20:00:00 - [69] Edited by: Sephra Star on 17/03/2008 20:08:03 Edited by: Sephra Star on 17/03/2008 20:03:29 Question - What makes a Rolex watch so special? Answer - ôHot dogs.ö Hot dogs are made from the byproducts of normal meat processing. This stuffing of crap into a thin skin is essentially the educational process for regular schmoes. People will take any piece of information, no matter how flawed, and shove it into their brain like it was carved in stone by the flaming hand of God. These people then develop ideas and base actions on said flawed information. Hence the aforementioned hot dogs, and in more extreme cases, racists, bigots, politicians and all other manner of lesser humans.ö ôExamples.ö The Wright Brothers invented the airplane.ö ôOh wait. The French were flying model airplanes 30 years before Kitty Hawk.ö ôColumbus proved the world wasn't flat.ö ôOh wait. The Germans were making globes before Columbus was even born.ö ôMedical. You have to wait an hour after eating before you can go swimming.ö ôMom used to tell us that.ö ôThe Red Cross printed that beauty up in safety pamphlets until the AMA made them take it out because it was stupid.ö ôsheesh; All that time we sat on the beach...ö ôAnd my personal favorite, bulls are attracted to the color red.ö ôNow wait a minute--ö ôBulls are color blind, ôMuch of what we have been taught is a lie.ö ôYou must unlearn what you have learned,ö [b]Question[b] So, Rolex watches aren't the best, you're just paying for a hyped up name? Then why in the hell would you pay 32,000 dollars for one?ö [b]Answer[b] Because ôIt's a Rolex.
Fenderson Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.	Posted - 2008.03.17 20:06:00 - [70] amazing... Sephra, you are one dedicated troll and i salute you for it. i would continue to argue, but i would just be repeating myself. there is an amazing amount of conjecture on these subjects, and pretty much nothing that we can call actual proof. DO YOU PLAY POKER???? Join ingame channels "DOA Poker" and "Eve Online Hold'em"
Sephra Star The Galactic Collective	Posted - 2008.03.17 20:17:00 - [71] Edited by: Sephra Star on 17/03/2008 20:24:26 Originally by: Fenderson amazing... Sephra, you are one dedicated troll and i salute you for it. i would continue to argue, but i would just be repeating myself. there is an amazing amount of conjecture on these subjects, and pretty much nothing that we can call actual proof. People are convicted and sent to prison on circumstantial evidence all the time in America. That is an undeniable fact. It is appaling how many innocent people have been put to death for crimes they never committed in the United States. In a very controversial move not long ago one of our American Governors suspended every death sentence of every prisoner in the entire state as he was leaving office. Boy did that **** a lot of people off. He pardoned quite a few falsely convicted murderers and rapists. Starting a war under false pretence and murdering millions of innocent civilians sounds like a crime to me. It is also an incontrovertable fact that it is what has been done; and more to the point we also know beyond the shadow of any doubt in this criminal case who is responsable. ...and you talk about lack of evidence?
Fink Angel The Merry Men	Posted - 2008.03.17 20:41:00 - [72] Originally by: Sosus Red Anyone ever heard of Alex Jones? Yeah, I loved him singing Walking In The Air.
Sharupak Knights Of the Black Sun Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2008.03.18 03:29:00 - [73] Edited by: Sharupak on 18/03/2008 03:33:28 Edited by: Sharupak on 18/03/2008 03:31:29 Edited by: Sharupak on 18/03/2008 03:29:55 Alex Jones is like hardcore coast to coast. You have to sift through ancient wizards and reptilian shapshifters episode after episode until you hit something that is actually well done and factual. However, to be the devils advocate on this one sided board, I would like to say that Conspiracy people like myself get it wrong all the time just as much as science does or the government does or corporations do. However, there are some conspiracies that our fathers were talking about that are basically fact now... For example...The CIA had to admit to MKUltra finally A quick over on Project MKUltra Remember even back 10 years ago, if you talked about something like this, the responses to such a thing were met by the same type of wild snickering and 20 second judgements posted in this thread. But that is not really the point...The bad thing about conspiracies is that if you dont do your research, then you are just spouting doom and gloom and it is a vessel for a victim type of mindset which spawns that type of negative thinking. The positive however is that you really start to understand that power of an individual 's perspective is one of the most powerful forces on the planet when that individual trusts his own gut and his wits and considers them with equal weight applied to the information he or she is taking in from external sources. That is a very cool thing. We live in an incredibly interesting time. Many would like you to believe that the battle of our time is at a crucial point of right verses wrong. When in reality the battle of our time is over perception. Its not that conspiracy theories wont go away because there will always be those nut jobs out there trying to get attention. They wont go away because people will always ask questions like what are the odds that the FBI can lose 5000 documents pertinent to the Oklahoma city bombings weeks before a trial on such a high profile case. What are the odds that a New York city governor notorious for prosecuting corrupt mortgage lending corporations gets caught nailing a hooker on the same day that the government shells out 200 billion to bailout these same companies. How come nobody investigates the bush family's ties to the Bin Laden family (He was head of the CIA when Bin laden was trained to fight the soviets in Afghanistan, the bin laden family still invests in the Carlyle group board of directors are bu****es, George W. failed oil deals in Texas with one of bin ladens brothers). Legitimate questions to be asked... I like Ron Paul as well. There are somethings I dont like about his policies, but he is the only candidate running that hasnt had campaign fund investments by corporations. I like that. _______________________________________________ RuntimeError: ChainEvent is blocking by design, but you're block trapped. You have'll have to find some alternative means to do Your Thing, dude.
Dictum Factum Gemini Sun Tenth Legion	Posted - 2008.03.18 04:24:00 - [74] Hmm, nobody is blaming the Masons. The plan continues... I know less than you think I do.
Sephra Star The Galactic Collective	Posted - 2008.03.18 06:36:00 - [75] Edited by: Sephra Star on 18/03/2008 06:42:12 Originally by: Dictum Factum Hmm, nobody is blaming the Masons. Well I did manage to infiltrate the members forum on the Mason's main lodge website in Washington D.C. some years ago. I was able to spy on them for a couple of weeks till they caught on. They actually got my phone number and called me up. Started quizing me as I was pretending to be a member of the local Tampa Lodge. The guy was very upset. It was very interesting reading the posts of a 33rd degree Mason feeding his elitist mentality to a bunch of Neophytes. I am originally from Tampa Florida. You can take a look at what my home town boys think of the local Masons in Tampa at this link. Linkage About a year ago I was traveling through Nashville, Tennesee and as I was walking by the Masonic Lodge I noticed someone had managed to actually embed grafitti into the brick wall of the building with the words... "NOT A SLAVE".
Sephra Star The Galactic Collective	Posted - 2008.03.22 20:15:00 - [76] Edited by: Sephra Star on 22/03/2008 20:17:11 Thu Mar 20, 2008 3:55pm EDT LONDON (Reuters) - Usama bin Laden's latest message shows that he sees Europe as fertile soil for al Qaeda, especially at a time of tension between free speech and Muslim values, but is unlikely to signal an imminent attack. Reuters How does a DEAD man keep sending messages? Bennazzirr Bhutto: Usama Bin Laden was Murdered Mainstream News Interview
Yogo Hong School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.03.23 01:29:00 - [77] If you are going to sprout more conspiracy theories, could you at least spell the name of Osama Bin Laden correctly?
Sirial Soulfly Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.03.23 08:13:00 - [78] Edited by: Sirial Soulfly on 23/03/2008 08:15:37 Originally by: Yogo Hong If you are going to sprout more conspiracy theories, could you at least spell the name of Osama Bin Laden correctly? To be fair both versions are used.
F'nog Celestial Horizon Corp. Valainaloce	Posted - 2008.03.23 08:35:00 - [79] Wait, so Be**r Bhutto is some sort of font of truth now? So because she said * is dead he must be? This is why most conspiracy theories are crap. They'll state one thing is true, but something that has as much evidence or more is obviously false. I believe anything Bhutto said as much as I do what Bush says. Originally by:** Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Feilamya Pelennor Swarm Scorched Earth.	Posted - 2008.03.23 13:14:00 - [80] Forget Al Jones and Ron Paul. This one is priceless: "History of USA and terrorism" http://youtube.com/watch?v=n4H_E8b-qmo Twice the fun if you understand German, but if you don't, the translation is good enough. If you are from Germany and don't know it, shame on you.
Sephra Star	Posted - 2008.03.23 14:54:00 - [81] Originally by: Feilamya Forget Al Jones and Ron Paul. This one is priceless: "History of USA and terrorism" http://youtube.com/watch?v=n4H_E8b-qmo Twice the fun if you understand German, but if you don't, the translation is good enough. If you are from Germany and don't know it, shame on you. That was priceless...

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