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Naervic The Scope	Posted - 2008.03.19 21:15:00 - [31] Edited by: Naervic on 19/03/2008 21:15:44 I like the OP's idea... I would even go a step further and to prevent alts and such from buying and then selling to their mains. The equipment would be locked out from being used by whoever the industrialist chose. Say an industrialist doesn't want to sell to Goonsquad due to their flagrant destruction of miners, then he can lock out all equipment he's using so that it will not activate or work when used. Now of course there should be a way to get around this perhaps pricey hacking of the module/ship/ammo. The idea gives a way for industrialists to wage economic warfare putting embargoes on those they don't like. If such organizations are big and cohesive enough they can put an equipment strain on alliances. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Valorem ([email protected])
Quelque Chose University of Caille	Posted - 2008.03.19 21:15:00 - [32] Originally by: Ulstan What if you could sell kill rights to bounty hunters? I think that would be the most awesome fix, as it might make bounty hunting actually worth a crap :p Selling to bounty hunters wouldn't really work because you have to podkill to collect the bounty and that'll get you concorded. Also I don't think that would do much to stop suicide squads in the first place. That said though, transferable kill rights just sound completely cool to me so /signed. ______________________________ "Eve Online is a massively multiplayer game about trolling in outer space."
Wadaya Trailerpark Industries	Posted - 2008.03.19 21:15:00 - [33] Originally by: ghost st I believe that CCP should introduce a system where miners and other industrialists can pick and choose who they buy from and who they sell to. Any serious Industrialist would sell to both sides of a conflict. Wad
ghost st The Scope	Posted - 2008.03.19 21:18:00 - [34] Originally by: Wadaya Originally by: ghost st I believe that CCP should introduce a system where miners and other industrialists can pick and choose who they buy from and who they sell to. Any serious Industrialist would sell to both sides of a conflict. Wad That would be part of the risk of industrial pvp, you risk reduced profits. But your reward/goal is to starve your enemy of supplies.
Dianeces Repo Industries R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.03.19 21:19:00 - [35] Originally by: ghost st Originally by: Wadaya Originally by: ghost st I believe that CCP should introduce a system where miners and other industrialists can pick and choose who they buy from and who they sell to. Any serious Industrialist would sell to both sides of a conflict. Wad That would be part of the risk of industrial pvp, you risk reduced profits. But your reward/goal is to starve your enemy of supplies. Someone else not as shortsighted as you would step in to fill the shortage. So basically, you'd be shooting yourself in the foot. Therefore, I must go ahead and /sign this so I have more stupid people to laugh at.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS	Posted - 2008.03.19 21:20:00 - [36] Originally by: Hamfast Originally by: Celot it's called the gistii a-type small shield booster :rolleyes: oh and stop spamming, you're ruining my forum experience Talk about spreading lies... read this thread... your shield booster will not help, you need a passive tank... you just hope the gistii a-type small shield booster survives so you can loot it with your alt... the gisti a type has a 2 second activation time. it will cycle a few times before they can get a second volley off, with some resistances you should be able to tank em
Celot GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.19 21:23:00 - [37] well sure it's not a 100% fix, if we want to kill you we'll just get a BS and a cruiser to double penetrate you and there's no tank that can defend against it. But if you want to make it so that the most common attack ship, the solo blaster brutix, can't kill you, just fit a gistii a or pith shield booster
Cpt Branko Surge. Night's Dawn	Posted - 2008.03.19 21:24:00 - [38] Originally by: Sakura Nihil While a "boycott" feature could be done, something that would prevent you from selling to a player/corp/alliance, its bypassable. All it takes is an alt. Heh heh. Get a wingman. Or something ;) Sig removed, inappropriate link. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] ~Saint
Naervic The Scope	Posted - 2008.03.19 21:26:00 - [39] Originally by: Dianeces Someone else not as shortsighted as you would step in to fill the shortage. So basically, you'd be shooting yourself in the foot. Therefore, I must go ahead and /sign this so I have more stupid people to laugh at. I think he's referring to Goonsquad who has targetted a large number of industrialists. Now if this large number refused to sell to Goonsquad, they could be put under alot of strain depending on the size of their own economic branches. Also if the boycotting industrialists hold expensive tech II BPO's or are primary inventors of certain ships and modules, then Goonsquad could not gain access to these items. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Valorem ([email protected])
Morfane The IMorral MAjority Imorral Dragons	Posted - 2008.03.19 21:27:00 - [40] How would you stop your enemies from using alts to buy stuff? Aside from that, how would this actually function? Realistically, you would have to make those market orders invisible to your enemies, which would cause quite a thrashing on the market db server. Not to mention the current logic that dictates that the lowest order is the one you buy from would have to be changed, and I imagine that might be a big deal (as I doubt they would put that limitation in for nothing). Solving problem 2 is easy: just throw money at it. The first question I posed, however, has no solution I am aware of.
Quelque Chose University of Caille	Posted - 2008.03.19 21:27:00 - [41] Originally by: Naervic Originally by: Dianeces Also if the boycotting industrialists hold expensive tech II BPO's or are primary inventors of certain ships and modules, then Goonsquad could not gain access to these items. A T2 boycott against goons would be like an air conditioner boycott against Alaska. rimshot ______________________________ "Eve Online is a massively multiplayer game about trolling in outer space."
CRUSH BOSS BigMek Industries GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.19 21:28:00 - [42] Originally by: Sir Bloodclaw In the spirit of this offensive behaviour by the goons and their whole purely provocative Allah/jihad campaign, I want a mining barge that can be fitted with a cloak and a small scale doomsday. So I can take it to their home systems. And do what, speak harsh words in local after it gets ganked? We fight for the ONE - We die for the ONE Don't troll in your signature please. -Hango
Naervic The Scope	Posted - 2008.03.19 21:31:00 - [43] Originally by: Morfane How would you stop your enemies from using alts to buy stuff? Aside from that, how would this actually function? Realistically, you would have to make those market orders invisible to your enemies, which would cause quite a thrashing on the market db server. Not to mention the current logic that dictates that the lowest order is the one you buy from would have to be changed, and I imagine that might be a big deal (as I doubt they would put that limitation in for nothing). Solving problem 2 is easy: just throw money at it. The first question I posed, however, has no solution I am aware of. Like I posted above, to prevent this from happening, industrialists could actually create their equipment to lock out certain alliances or corporations. Thus there would have to be no change on the market db server, except to maybe to highlight in red certain equipment they cannot use due to their affiliation. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Valorem ([email protected])
Kuar Z'thain Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.19 21:32:00 - [44] Edited by: Kuar Z''thain on 19/03/2008 21:34:45 I see the Troll-Sensors are a bit off today. As to the OP, you would instantly create a black market with 1-day old alts buying gear for the factions you are trying to boycott. Adding a "Can My Alliance Use This" modifier to the code might not seem hard, but I'd be willing to bet you're barking up the wrong tree with that suggestion. I like the idea of being able to transfer Kill Rights and I think we should discuss this option further.
Khanid Kutie I R Teh Poasting Alt Corp	Posted - 2008.03.19 21:36:00 - [45] Originally by: ghost st Suicide Ganks, Give us equal countermeasures CCP! Ok so heres an idea. You already have a countermeasure, its called paying attention to whats going on around you. Surprisingly, it doesnt require CCP to nerf anything, it just requires you to do something else besides "set it and forget it" when u mine. ____________________________________________ Originally by: Thargat They should change the name of CAOD to EvE Zoo. Please to not feed the animals.
Securion Wolfheart Not Like Most	Posted - 2008.03.19 21:37:00 - [46] !!! I believe that CCP should introduce a system where miners and other industrialists can pick and choose who they buy from and who they sell to. This set of pvp tools for industrialists should allow them to specify, by means of standings. Who can buy thier items, or who they will sell thier products too. This is the best idea ive ever heard off in or out of EVE. Ever. Simply brilliant. Economic power. Brilliant. Awesome. Excellent. Im amazed. Omg... The difference between a Pirate and an Anti-Pirate is that an Anti-Pirate fights ships fitted with guns...
Christari Zuborov Ore Mongers	Posted - 2008.03.19 21:37:00 - [47] I don't see any reason why you couldn't have 3 options for selling: an inclusive relationship, where you add members, alliances, and corps to a list for purchasing. an exclusive relationship, where you add members, alliances, and corps to a list for exclusion. and a simple, it doesn't matter who you are option for purchasing. That would cover all of the bases. Issues are: database strain - there's a lot of items out there, and it would take a bit of horsepower to sort through for every request to purchase anything. faction outposts - these are owned by no one, but used by many. You cannot prevent individuals from docking there, but should you be allowed to dictate what's for sale in that station? Outside of these issues, which have been brought up before, I still think it's a good idea. This would be a boost to industrial PVP, and I strongly suggest that CCP at least investigate it's possibility.
Hamfast Lightfoot Industries	Posted - 2008.03.19 21:38:00 - [48] Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton Originally by: Hamfast Originally by: Celot it's called the gistii a-type small shield booster :rolleyes: oh and stop spamming, you're ruining my forum experience Talk about spreading lies... read this thread... your shield booster will not help, you need a passive tank... you just hope the gistii a-type small shield booster survives so you can loot it with your alt... the gisti a type has a 2 second activation time. it will cycle a few times before they can get a second volley off, with some resistances you should be able to tank em Having seen (but not been the target of) an attack, the 2 second start up time may not have helped much... in fact the gankers were bragging in local even before Concord arrived (.7 space)... the second attack came with concord in the area and took out 2 or 3 miners and a hauler (Pods included) with Smart bombs... but they were in barges not exhumers (first attack was a Hulk). The Ganker ended up with a -6.7 sec rating... I will grant that if someone really wants to gank you, you will be ganked... and as much as I hate to admit it: Originally by: Dianeces Someone else not as shortsighted as you would step in to fill the shortage. So basically, you'd be shooting yourself in the foot. Therefore, I must go ahead and /sign this so I have more stupid people to laugh at. Dianeces is correct, just because you will not sell to someone else, does not mean I will not... --------*****-------- It takes 43 muscles to frown and 17 to smile, but it doesn't take any to just sit there with a dumb look on your face.
ghosttr ARK-CORP SATRAPY	Posted - 2008.03.19 21:56:00 - [49] Originally by: Kuar Z'thain Edited by: Kuar Z''thain on 19/03/2008 21:34:45 I see the Troll-Sensors are a bit off today. As to the OP, you would instantly create a black market with 1-day old alts buying gear for the factions you are trying to boycott. This is why we have taxes and such, the items passing hands that way would come at increased costs, and of course be a pain in the ass. My Blog
Inconstant Moon Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.03.19 21:57:00 - [50] All actions are permissible, so long as every action has a counter. It ought to be Eve's golden rule. Anyway, it's time for some balance (it's been four years since the first kestrels did this, now it's fleets of ravens). There have been many good suggestions in this thread and others, suggestions that would enhance the game and not ruin it for anyone, carebears and gankers alike.
Celot GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.19 22:01:00 - [51] If every ship could counter every other ship regardless of its setup, we would all fly velators
Inconstant Moon	Posted - 2008.03.19 22:08:00 - [52] Originally by: Celot If every ship could counter every other ship regardless of its setup, we would all fly velators Point nicely missed. Goon, perchance?
Dianeces	Posted - 2008.03.19 22:10:00 - [53] Originally by: Inconstant Moon Originally by: Celot If every ship could counter every other ship regardless of its setup, we would all fly velators Point nicely missed. Goon, perchance? I'm glad to see such quality from the Eve-O forumgoers. Try reading corp tag next time? Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Inconstant Moon	Posted - 2008.03.19 22:11:00 - [54] Originally by: Dianeces I'm glad to see such quality from the Eve-O forumgoers. Try reading corp tag next time? I do not see any corp tag, perhaps I have neutered my forum view?
Dianeces Repo Industries R.E.P.O.	Posted - 2008.03.19 22:26:00 - [55] Originally by: Celot perhaps you should definitely get out Gonna second this.
Inconstant Moon Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.03.19 22:31:00 - [56] Originally by: Dianeces Originally by: Celot perhaps you should definitely get out Gonna second this. Dear sirs, I apologise for my offence.
Cedricon Centari The Phalanx Expeditionary Conglomerate Blue Sky Consortium	Posted - 2008.03.19 22:39:00 - [57] easiest fix, anyone that gets blown up by concord 3 times gets banned from hi sec. problem solved!
Celot GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.19 22:42:00 - [58] Originally by: Cedricon Centari easiest fix, anyone that gets blown up by concord 3 times gets banned from hi sec. problem solved! you too
Malcanis R.E.C.O.N. Black-Out	Posted - 2008.03.19 23:04:00 - [59] Originally by: Cedricon Centari easiest fix, anyone that gets blown up by concord 3 times gets banned from hi sec. problem solved! Most hilarious fix: anyone who gets suicide ganked 3 times gets banned. Problem solved. CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that.
Nyabinghi	Posted - 2008.03.19 23:35:00 - [60] You don't actually need an adjustment to the market interface to do a preferred sellers/buyers list, though it be nice. Just set up a web page and create the list yourself, who to buy/sell from/to and who not to. The more people adhere to it (might mean not getting top isk) the more effective it is. Avoid the open market, make all trades to individuals, corps, alliances you approve of. You can make the page accessible via the ingame browser and even set up a complimentary in game channel. United you stand, divided you fall. *** Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.

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